A SENSITIVE ISSUE

NoExcuses

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Jane you misquoted me by stating I was scolding someone when i was expressing my reaction; told me its not up to me to give my input; and basically tried to marginalize my comments.

And no, you didn't say I was coming from a different perspective. you said "it wasn't up to [me] to scold anyone about their child-rearing choices."

Allie had the same reaction and you didn't say anything to her. Which makes me think that you simply wanted to single me out.

Children with CF have a great perspective on what it's like to have this disease. And we have insight into how our parents raised us. A parent would be WISE to not dismiss or try to marginalize a person with CF's perspective because we undersatnd what you're children are going through more than you ever will.
 

NoExcuses

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Jane you misquoted me by stating I was scolding someone when i was expressing my reaction; told me its not up to me to give my input; and basically tried to marginalize my comments.

And no, you didn't say I was coming from a different perspective. you said "it wasn't up to [me] to scold anyone about their child-rearing choices."

Allie had the same reaction and you didn't say anything to her. Which makes me think that you simply wanted to single me out.

Children with CF have a great perspective on what it's like to have this disease. And we have insight into how our parents raised us. A parent would be WISE to not dismiss or try to marginalize a person with CF's perspective because we undersatnd what you're children are going through more than you ever will.
 

Landy

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>yellowfrog</b></i>

this is a very delicate question and i dont wish to upset
anyone.... at what point did you realise you had a terminal
illness? my daughter is 13 and still isnot awaare of her prognosis.
do i tell her? when do i tell her? is it better to let the hosp
tell her? will she hate me when she finds out because she will know
i knew???? HELP</end quote></div>

Back to the original post here....
As others have mentioned, chances are that your daughter does already know.
I was never "told" that CF is a terminal illness and I'm not bitter because of it. My sister that was 8 years older than me struggled with CF and over the years of going to CF Clinics and seeing some of my friends die, some of them quite young, I kind of figured it out myself.
Also if your daughter has watched any shows about CF, someone getting a transplant, etc. they always mention that CF is a life threatening disease so I'm sure she's picked up on this, as did I.
It is a fragile topic, no doubt. I'm just not sure there has to be a "you will die of CF" conversation but on the other hand, if your child doesn't know & hears it from someone else it will be much harder to take. Kind of a catch 22.
Only you know your child & how they will react. Also, as was mentioned-- how you handle it can effect how your child will take it. When/if you tell her this you can let her know that we all die of something, some younger than others, and for her to just live life to the fullest & enjoy every day you do get and try not to dwell on it.
 

Landy

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>yellowfrog</b></i>

this is a very delicate question and i dont wish to upset
anyone.... at what point did you realise you had a terminal
illness? my daughter is 13 and still isnot awaare of her prognosis.
do i tell her? when do i tell her? is it better to let the hosp
tell her? will she hate me when she finds out because she will know
i knew???? HELP</end quote></div>

Back to the original post here....
As others have mentioned, chances are that your daughter does already know.
I was never "told" that CF is a terminal illness and I'm not bitter because of it. My sister that was 8 years older than me struggled with CF and over the years of going to CF Clinics and seeing some of my friends die, some of them quite young, I kind of figured it out myself.
Also if your daughter has watched any shows about CF, someone getting a transplant, etc. they always mention that CF is a life threatening disease so I'm sure she's picked up on this, as did I.
It is a fragile topic, no doubt. I'm just not sure there has to be a "you will die of CF" conversation but on the other hand, if your child doesn't know & hears it from someone else it will be much harder to take. Kind of a catch 22.
Only you know your child & how they will react. Also, as was mentioned-- how you handle it can effect how your child will take it. When/if you tell her this you can let her know that we all die of something, some younger than others, and for her to just live life to the fullest & enjoy every day you do get and try not to dwell on it.
 

Landy

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>yellowfrog</b></i>

this is a very delicate question and i dont wish to upset
anyone.... at what point did you realise you had a terminal
illness? my daughter is 13 and still isnot awaare of her prognosis.
do i tell her? when do i tell her? is it better to let the hosp
tell her? will she hate me when she finds out because she will know
i knew???? HELP</end quote></div>

Back to the original post here....
As others have mentioned, chances are that your daughter does already know.
I was never "told" that CF is a terminal illness and I'm not bitter because of it. My sister that was 8 years older than me struggled with CF and over the years of going to CF Clinics and seeing some of my friends die, some of them quite young, I kind of figured it out myself.
Also if your daughter has watched any shows about CF, someone getting a transplant, etc. they always mention that CF is a life threatening disease so I'm sure she's picked up on this, as did I.
It is a fragile topic, no doubt. I'm just not sure there has to be a "you will die of CF" conversation but on the other hand, if your child doesn't know & hears it from someone else it will be much harder to take. Kind of a catch 22.
Only you know your child & how they will react. Also, as was mentioned-- how you handle it can effect how your child will take it. When/if you tell her this you can let her know that we all die of something, some younger than others, and for her to just live life to the fullest & enjoy every day you do get and try not to dwell on it.
 

Jane

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Amy, Allie had not responded when I wrote the first time.

This bickering has gotten out of hand and has taken over yellow frog's original post. I apologize to her.
 

Jane

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Amy, Allie had not responded when I wrote the first time.

This bickering has gotten out of hand and has taken over yellow frog's original post. I apologize to her.
 

Jane

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Amy, Allie had not responded when I wrote the first time.

This bickering has gotten out of hand and has taken over yellow frog's original post. I apologize to her.
 

anonymous

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yellowfrog,
I have been away for a while and only saw your post tonite. After all of the broohaha I am hesitant to post - and tHEN< OF COURSE< I am not a parent. I am a window and an outlaw aunt.

I am impressed that you are asking for asvice. I am not surprised that it is hard for you to know what to do about this - if, how and when to have the talk about life expectency. When I think how difficult it is for so many parents to have the "SEx" talk I cannot even imagine how difficult it is to have the "progressive, terminal illness with shortened life expectency" talk.

My late husband was told by the docs when he was in the 7th grade that his life exepectency was at the outside 35 (different genetic condition not cf brought this on). I have no idcea when my nieces were told. They are like 21 now and I was sushed from saying CF in front of them only 2 years ago. I hope they and their parents talked about it before they were 18 - but with the sushing I'm not sure.

I have no idea what the perfet age is. Jane says "age appropriate" information - and, of course, that is always best, but then there is the issue as "person-appropriate" information and that differs by the kid and the kid's health. A 12-year old who the docs are suggesting transplant to is a lot different thatn a 12-year old who has never been on IV meds.

I do think that foks (even kids) pick on the fact that they are a lot sicker than others (if they are). And I know from lour family and being a school librarian that kids often find out on their own (just like about sex). While maybe finding out about the real facts of sex from your peers and the internet might be OK (you can check later to see if your parents will tell you the truth), to find out about CF that way just seesm awful lonely and scarey (and maybe real out of date information). I know the nieces knew the truth the day I was shushed and yet because my husbnad and I were shushed they never got a chance to talk to my husband about how he had lived successfully almost 25 years past his original projected lifesapn. I suspect that he was the one that understood the most about what they were going thru and would have been the most help, but....

So because of the family experience, I'd err on the side of having the4 talk erarly. Yes it might be mind bloweing, but at least you'll be there with them to help see them through and to get them additional counseling help if they need it.

To be all alone and find the information out from a stranger or the web. To wonder why your parents never discussed it with you. To think that perhaops that your parents could NOT talk to you about it - that you have to protect your parents or that it is such a terrible secret that it can not be shared with your parents. That just seems way too tough.

My thoughts are Too long and too late I know. But this has been such a big issuein our family that I can't believe it. There's an article a woman named Harriet McBryde Johnson once wrote about growing up with the shadow of an eraly death hanging over her. If I can find the link again, I'll post another post with it in. I know I've posted it here before so you might search on McBryde to find it. She is no fan of denial, but on the other hand she doesnot feel that focusing on terminal can sometimes stop folks from finding their reason for living - forom finding their own voice and then speaking their own truth and acting in their own power.
-LisaV
 

anonymous

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yellowfrog,
I have been away for a while and only saw your post tonite. After all of the broohaha I am hesitant to post - and tHEN< OF COURSE< I am not a parent. I am a window and an outlaw aunt.

I am impressed that you are asking for asvice. I am not surprised that it is hard for you to know what to do about this - if, how and when to have the talk about life expectency. When I think how difficult it is for so many parents to have the "SEx" talk I cannot even imagine how difficult it is to have the "progressive, terminal illness with shortened life expectency" talk.

My late husband was told by the docs when he was in the 7th grade that his life exepectency was at the outside 35 (different genetic condition not cf brought this on). I have no idcea when my nieces were told. They are like 21 now and I was sushed from saying CF in front of them only 2 years ago. I hope they and their parents talked about it before they were 18 - but with the sushing I'm not sure.

I have no idea what the perfet age is. Jane says "age appropriate" information - and, of course, that is always best, but then there is the issue as "person-appropriate" information and that differs by the kid and the kid's health. A 12-year old who the docs are suggesting transplant to is a lot different thatn a 12-year old who has never been on IV meds.

I do think that foks (even kids) pick on the fact that they are a lot sicker than others (if they are). And I know from lour family and being a school librarian that kids often find out on their own (just like about sex). While maybe finding out about the real facts of sex from your peers and the internet might be OK (you can check later to see if your parents will tell you the truth), to find out about CF that way just seesm awful lonely and scarey (and maybe real out of date information). I know the nieces knew the truth the day I was shushed and yet because my husbnad and I were shushed they never got a chance to talk to my husband about how he had lived successfully almost 25 years past his original projected lifesapn. I suspect that he was the one that understood the most about what they were going thru and would have been the most help, but....

So because of the family experience, I'd err on the side of having the4 talk erarly. Yes it might be mind bloweing, but at least you'll be there with them to help see them through and to get them additional counseling help if they need it.

To be all alone and find the information out from a stranger or the web. To wonder why your parents never discussed it with you. To think that perhaops that your parents could NOT talk to you about it - that you have to protect your parents or that it is such a terrible secret that it can not be shared with your parents. That just seems way too tough.

My thoughts are Too long and too late I know. But this has been such a big issuein our family that I can't believe it. There's an article a woman named Harriet McBryde Johnson once wrote about growing up with the shadow of an eraly death hanging over her. If I can find the link again, I'll post another post with it in. I know I've posted it here before so you might search on McBryde to find it. She is no fan of denial, but on the other hand she doesnot feel that focusing on terminal can sometimes stop folks from finding their reason for living - forom finding their own voice and then speaking their own truth and acting in their own power.
-LisaV
 

anonymous

New member
yellowfrog,
I have been away for a while and only saw your post tonite. After all of the broohaha I am hesitant to post - and tHEN< OF COURSE< I am not a parent. I am a window and an outlaw aunt.

I am impressed that you are asking for asvice. I am not surprised that it is hard for you to know what to do about this - if, how and when to have the talk about life expectency. When I think how difficult it is for so many parents to have the "SEx" talk I cannot even imagine how difficult it is to have the "progressive, terminal illness with shortened life expectency" talk.

My late husband was told by the docs when he was in the 7th grade that his life exepectency was at the outside 35 (different genetic condition not cf brought this on). I have no idcea when my nieces were told. They are like 21 now and I was sushed from saying CF in front of them only 2 years ago. I hope they and their parents talked about it before they were 18 - but with the sushing I'm not sure.

I have no idea what the perfet age is. Jane says "age appropriate" information - and, of course, that is always best, but then there is the issue as "person-appropriate" information and that differs by the kid and the kid's health. A 12-year old who the docs are suggesting transplant to is a lot different thatn a 12-year old who has never been on IV meds.

I do think that foks (even kids) pick on the fact that they are a lot sicker than others (if they are). And I know from lour family and being a school librarian that kids often find out on their own (just like about sex). While maybe finding out about the real facts of sex from your peers and the internet might be OK (you can check later to see if your parents will tell you the truth), to find out about CF that way just seesm awful lonely and scarey (and maybe real out of date information). I know the nieces knew the truth the day I was shushed and yet because my husbnad and I were shushed they never got a chance to talk to my husband about how he had lived successfully almost 25 years past his original projected lifesapn. I suspect that he was the one that understood the most about what they were going thru and would have been the most help, but....

So because of the family experience, I'd err on the side of having the4 talk erarly. Yes it might be mind bloweing, but at least you'll be there with them to help see them through and to get them additional counseling help if they need it.

To be all alone and find the information out from a stranger or the web. To wonder why your parents never discussed it with you. To think that perhaops that your parents could NOT talk to you about it - that you have to protect your parents or that it is such a terrible secret that it can not be shared with your parents. That just seems way too tough.

My thoughts are Too long and too late I know. But this has been such a big issuein our family that I can't believe it. There's an article a woman named Harriet McBryde Johnson once wrote about growing up with the shadow of an eraly death hanging over her. If I can find the link again, I'll post another post with it in. I know I've posted it here before so you might search on McBryde to find it. She is no fan of denial, but on the other hand she doesnot feel that focusing on terminal can sometimes stop folks from finding their reason for living - forom finding their own voice and then speaking their own truth and acting in their own power.
-LisaV
 

anonymous

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Here's a link to the article

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newmobility.com/review_article.cfm?id=198&action=browse
">http://www.newmobility.com/rev...?id=198&action=browse
</a>
It is ian article in New Mobility. You can use the Search box at the top of that box to type in McBryde and find out lots more written by her or about her.
She also wrote a book called "Too Late to Die Young".
It am not a good writer as she is, but if you read her stuff, you'll see that she thinks it is entirely possible fords and adu kilts to know the factual truth of their conditions without thinking of themselves as "dying children". I think from reading her stuff and living with my late husband that there is a difference between knowing and talking abojut have a serious progressive illness and being terminal in the sense of dying.-LisaV
 

anonymous

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Here's a link to the article

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newmobility.com/review_article.cfm?id=198&action=browse
">http://www.newmobility.com/rev...?id=198&action=browse
</a>
It is ian article in New Mobility. You can use the Search box at the top of that box to type in McBryde and find out lots more written by her or about her.
She also wrote a book called "Too Late to Die Young".
It am not a good writer as she is, but if you read her stuff, you'll see that she thinks it is entirely possible fords and adu kilts to know the factual truth of their conditions without thinking of themselves as "dying children". I think from reading her stuff and living with my late husband that there is a difference between knowing and talking abojut have a serious progressive illness and being terminal in the sense of dying.-LisaV
 

anonymous

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Here's a link to the article

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newmobility.com/review_article.cfm?id=198&action=browse
">http://www.newmobility.com/rev...?id=198&action=browse
</a>
It is ian article in New Mobility. You can use the Search box at the top of that box to type in McBryde and find out lots more written by her or about her.
She also wrote a book called "Too Late to Die Young".
It am not a good writer as she is, but if you read her stuff, you'll see that she thinks it is entirely possible fords and adu kilts to know the factual truth of their conditions without thinking of themselves as "dying children". I think from reading her stuff and living with my late husband that there is a difference between knowing and talking abojut have a serious progressive illness and being terminal in the sense of dying.-LisaV
 

Scarlett81

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I'm horrified too-at certain comments judging this parent for not telling this child about their illness. To the original poster-yes, you did ask for open opinions, and that is admirable, but hopefully you will disregard this judgmental one. Just that you are here soliciting help shows you are a caring concerned parent.

Besides that advice to you, I only add that every family is different and deals with things differently. I didn't realize that I had a terminal illness till I was about 14. I knew that some kids had died from it, so I knew it was serious which I'm sure your kid realizes too. But my mom never really had that talk with me. The reason is probably b/c as a young child I went through some abusive domestic situations that were traumatic to me, and she didn't feel I needed to be told anything else that might shatter my world at a young age. I think on that note-she did the right thing.

I'm doing just fine now.

I think only you, your family, and your doctor can really tell what the best age for your particular child is.
 

Scarlett81

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I'm horrified too-at certain comments judging this parent for not telling this child about their illness. To the original poster-yes, you did ask for open opinions, and that is admirable, but hopefully you will disregard this judgmental one. Just that you are here soliciting help shows you are a caring concerned parent.

Besides that advice to you, I only add that every family is different and deals with things differently. I didn't realize that I had a terminal illness till I was about 14. I knew that some kids had died from it, so I knew it was serious which I'm sure your kid realizes too. But my mom never really had that talk with me. The reason is probably b/c as a young child I went through some abusive domestic situations that were traumatic to me, and she didn't feel I needed to be told anything else that might shatter my world at a young age. I think on that note-she did the right thing.

I'm doing just fine now.

I think only you, your family, and your doctor can really tell what the best age for your particular child is.
 

Scarlett81

New member
I'm horrified too-at certain comments judging this parent for not telling this child about their illness. To the original poster-yes, you did ask for open opinions, and that is admirable, but hopefully you will disregard this judgmental one. Just that you are here soliciting help shows you are a caring concerned parent.

Besides that advice to you, I only add that every family is different and deals with things differently. I didn't realize that I had a terminal illness till I was about 14. I knew that some kids had died from it, so I knew it was serious which I'm sure your kid realizes too. But my mom never really had that talk with me. The reason is probably b/c as a young child I went through some abusive domestic situations that were traumatic to me, and she didn't feel I needed to be told anything else that might shatter my world at a young age. I think on that note-she did the right thing.

I'm doing just fine now.

I think only you, your family, and your doctor can really tell what the best age for your particular child is.
 

welshgirl

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hi yellowfrog , it beats me why anyone would tell their child they are going to die prematurely at such a young age. my son joe, knows full well how serious cf is , we are at the doctors every 6 six weeks for hrs on end, how could he possibly not know. like the other posts , i'm sure deep down your daughter does have an inkling of how serious cf is. maybe she is just not ready to deal with it yet and who could blame her.!!!!!!!!!

amy , do you ever stop? read back yours and janes posts then it should jump out at you how pleasant and polite jane's posts are and how vitriolic your posts are. blimey get a grip!!!!!
 

welshgirl

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hi yellowfrog , it beats me why anyone would tell their child they are going to die prematurely at such a young age. my son joe, knows full well how serious cf is , we are at the doctors every 6 six weeks for hrs on end, how could he possibly not know. like the other posts , i'm sure deep down your daughter does have an inkling of how serious cf is. maybe she is just not ready to deal with it yet and who could blame her.!!!!!!!!!

amy , do you ever stop? read back yours and janes posts then it should jump out at you how pleasant and polite jane's posts are and how vitriolic your posts are. blimey get a grip!!!!!
 

welshgirl

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hi yellowfrog , it beats me why anyone would tell their child they are going to die prematurely at such a young age. my son joe, knows full well how serious cf is , we are at the doctors every 6 six weeks for hrs on end, how could he possibly not know. like the other posts , i'm sure deep down your daughter does have an inkling of how serious cf is. maybe she is just not ready to deal with it yet and who could blame her.!!!!!!!!!

amy , do you ever stop? read back yours and janes posts then it should jump out at you how pleasant and polite jane's posts are and how vitriolic your posts are. blimey get a grip!!!!!
 
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