Anabolic Steroids & CF

Lex

New member
I saw a similar post that included some thoughts on anabolic steroids and CF. I thought that this particular topic should drag me out of the lurking shadows and create a separate thread to do it justice. This topic really hits home with me.

Some basic background on me. This is my first post, but I've been around these boards for quite awhile. I'm a 31 year old male with CF (dx @ 2 years old) and used steroids/Growth Hormone/Insulin/etc. all in the name of bodybuilding. I want to share with this community my experiences in the hopes that it raises questions and shines a light on an otherwise taboo topic that may have far reaching implications for CF.

I began using steroids 10 years ago. I was 150 pounds at 5'10' even though I worked out with weights 5-6 times a week and ate as much food as I could. I think I was at the top end of my "genetic potential" in terms of the amount of weight I could gain without the use of 'added' drugs. At the time, I wanted to gain weight for the cosmetic effect. In hindsight, it was the best thing I ever did for my CF. OK....let me explain.

I must've done 15-20 cycles in 5 years. A cycle is about 12-16 weeks on steroids followed by a 8-12 period being off. You 'cycle' steroids to allow your body to make it's own testosterone during those off times. The first cycle I did brought me up to 175 pounds in only 10 weeks! My appetite was dramatically increased, my exercise tolerance was amazing, and there were ZERO side effects.

That last statement may have been met with a bunch of rolling eyes. But I won't sugar coat anything-- no reason to. The gains I achieved with steroids changed my life. I took a low dose (not Arnold Schwarzenegger amounts) and were monitored by a professional. He made sure the cycle was properly done to avoid any side effects. Ironically, injecting steroids is far safer than taking a pill. A pill must pass through the liver and tends to be harsher on the body. Injections are as safe and you can imagine. Mass media is always portraying steroids as something evil and will cause a bunch of side effects including "roid rage" and even death. Trust me....it doesn't.

Anyway, after a few years of cycling steroids, I also tried Growth Hormone. WOW. I would wake up in the worning and feel as though I could JUMP out of bed and run a marathon. I'm not exaggerating for reader appeal. That's the truth. Again, zero side effects. If anyone wonders if HGH does anything, it does. I still remember how good I felt.

My last doctor's visit, I spoke candidly (for the first time) to him about my experiences. Fortunately, he listened and took notes. I mentioned that I once took clenbuteral (a pill that raises your body temperature, dialates the bronchial tubes, makes you jittery, etc.). I told my doc that when I was taking clenbuteral, my lungs felt like new. I would do a set of an exericise and when I was done, I would feel as though I hadn't even exerted myself. In a nutshell, my time on steroids virtually ERASED my CF symptoms. My lungs were great, my weight was 175, and my exercise tolerance was the same as my "healthy" friends--actually, better than them!

When I stopped taking "sports enhancing drugs", I was able to maintain 165 pounds on my own for 3 years. I didn't feel as good, but my weight was still good. I stopped because I became more serious about having children, my steroids weren't being monitored by a doc, and the cost was great. However, if my doctor prescribed them, monitored me, and the cost was covered (in part) by insurance, I am positive I would be in a different place today. Last year my gallbladder was removed and I lost 25 pounds in 3 weeks. I was worried that steroids might have played a part in that, but my doc assured me that it was completely unrelated. So, my zero side effects still holds true. I only wish he could've presribed a low does of steroids to get my weight back to normal in no time. Instead, it took me almost a year to gain that weight back.

I want the CF community to understand that there is more the medical community can do to help us out. I've seen first hand what anabolic steroids can do for someone with CF. Athletes who abuse them to improve their batting average or run faster cannot be the measure we use here.

I wanted to start a dialogue on this topic and express to everyone my frustration with the lack of vision I see in doctors who think steroids are evil and have no place in 'real' medicine. I am more open minded and I hope that soon, the medical community will agree.

Thanks.
 

Lex

New member
I saw a similar post that included some thoughts on anabolic steroids and CF. I thought that this particular topic should drag me out of the lurking shadows and create a separate thread to do it justice. This topic really hits home with me.

Some basic background on me. This is my first post, but I've been around these boards for quite awhile. I'm a 31 year old male with CF (dx @ 2 years old) and used steroids/Growth Hormone/Insulin/etc. all in the name of bodybuilding. I want to share with this community my experiences in the hopes that it raises questions and shines a light on an otherwise taboo topic that may have far reaching implications for CF.

I began using steroids 10 years ago. I was 150 pounds at 5'10' even though I worked out with weights 5-6 times a week and ate as much food as I could. I think I was at the top end of my "genetic potential" in terms of the amount of weight I could gain without the use of 'added' drugs. At the time, I wanted to gain weight for the cosmetic effect. In hindsight, it was the best thing I ever did for my CF. OK....let me explain.

I must've done 15-20 cycles in 5 years. A cycle is about 12-16 weeks on steroids followed by a 8-12 period being off. You 'cycle' steroids to allow your body to make it's own testosterone during those off times. The first cycle I did brought me up to 175 pounds in only 10 weeks! My appetite was dramatically increased, my exercise tolerance was amazing, and there were ZERO side effects.

That last statement may have been met with a bunch of rolling eyes. But I won't sugar coat anything-- no reason to. The gains I achieved with steroids changed my life. I took a low dose (not Arnold Schwarzenegger amounts) and were monitored by a professional. He made sure the cycle was properly done to avoid any side effects. Ironically, injecting steroids is far safer than taking a pill. A pill must pass through the liver and tends to be harsher on the body. Injections are as safe and you can imagine. Mass media is always portraying steroids as something evil and will cause a bunch of side effects including "roid rage" and even death. Trust me....it doesn't.

Anyway, after a few years of cycling steroids, I also tried Growth Hormone. WOW. I would wake up in the worning and feel as though I could JUMP out of bed and run a marathon. I'm not exaggerating for reader appeal. That's the truth. Again, zero side effects. If anyone wonders if HGH does anything, it does. I still remember how good I felt.

My last doctor's visit, I spoke candidly (for the first time) to him about my experiences. Fortunately, he listened and took notes. I mentioned that I once took clenbuteral (a pill that raises your body temperature, dialates the bronchial tubes, makes you jittery, etc.). I told my doc that when I was taking clenbuteral, my lungs felt like new. I would do a set of an exericise and when I was done, I would feel as though I hadn't even exerted myself. In a nutshell, my time on steroids virtually ERASED my CF symptoms. My lungs were great, my weight was 175, and my exercise tolerance was the same as my "healthy" friends--actually, better than them!

When I stopped taking "sports enhancing drugs", I was able to maintain 165 pounds on my own for 3 years. I didn't feel as good, but my weight was still good. I stopped because I became more serious about having children, my steroids weren't being monitored by a doc, and the cost was great. However, if my doctor prescribed them, monitored me, and the cost was covered (in part) by insurance, I am positive I would be in a different place today. Last year my gallbladder was removed and I lost 25 pounds in 3 weeks. I was worried that steroids might have played a part in that, but my doc assured me that it was completely unrelated. So, my zero side effects still holds true. I only wish he could've presribed a low does of steroids to get my weight back to normal in no time. Instead, it took me almost a year to gain that weight back.

I want the CF community to understand that there is more the medical community can do to help us out. I've seen first hand what anabolic steroids can do for someone with CF. Athletes who abuse them to improve their batting average or run faster cannot be the measure we use here.

I wanted to start a dialogue on this topic and express to everyone my frustration with the lack of vision I see in doctors who think steroids are evil and have no place in 'real' medicine. I am more open minded and I hope that soon, the medical community will agree.

Thanks.
 

Lex

New member
I saw a similar post that included some thoughts on anabolic steroids and CF. I thought that this particular topic should drag me out of the lurking shadows and create a separate thread to do it justice. This topic really hits home with me.

Some basic background on me. This is my first post, but I've been around these boards for quite awhile. I'm a 31 year old male with CF (dx @ 2 years old) and used steroids/Growth Hormone/Insulin/etc. all in the name of bodybuilding. I want to share with this community my experiences in the hopes that it raises questions and shines a light on an otherwise taboo topic that may have far reaching implications for CF.

I began using steroids 10 years ago. I was 150 pounds at 5'10' even though I worked out with weights 5-6 times a week and ate as much food as I could. I think I was at the top end of my "genetic potential" in terms of the amount of weight I could gain without the use of 'added' drugs. At the time, I wanted to gain weight for the cosmetic effect. In hindsight, it was the best thing I ever did for my CF. OK....let me explain.

I must've done 15-20 cycles in 5 years. A cycle is about 12-16 weeks on steroids followed by a 8-12 period being off. You 'cycle' steroids to allow your body to make it's own testosterone during those off times. The first cycle I did brought me up to 175 pounds in only 10 weeks! My appetite was dramatically increased, my exercise tolerance was amazing, and there were ZERO side effects.

That last statement may have been met with a bunch of rolling eyes. But I won't sugar coat anything-- no reason to. The gains I achieved with steroids changed my life. I took a low dose (not Arnold Schwarzenegger amounts) and were monitored by a professional. He made sure the cycle was properly done to avoid any side effects. Ironically, injecting steroids is far safer than taking a pill. A pill must pass through the liver and tends to be harsher on the body. Injections are as safe and you can imagine. Mass media is always portraying steroids as something evil and will cause a bunch of side effects including "roid rage" and even death. Trust me....it doesn't.

Anyway, after a few years of cycling steroids, I also tried Growth Hormone. WOW. I would wake up in the worning and feel as though I could JUMP out of bed and run a marathon. I'm not exaggerating for reader appeal. That's the truth. Again, zero side effects. If anyone wonders if HGH does anything, it does. I still remember how good I felt.

My last doctor's visit, I spoke candidly (for the first time) to him about my experiences. Fortunately, he listened and took notes. I mentioned that I once took clenbuteral (a pill that raises your body temperature, dialates the bronchial tubes, makes you jittery, etc.). I told my doc that when I was taking clenbuteral, my lungs felt like new. I would do a set of an exericise and when I was done, I would feel as though I hadn't even exerted myself. In a nutshell, my time on steroids virtually ERASED my CF symptoms. My lungs were great, my weight was 175, and my exercise tolerance was the same as my "healthy" friends--actually, better than them!

When I stopped taking "sports enhancing drugs", I was able to maintain 165 pounds on my own for 3 years. I didn't feel as good, but my weight was still good. I stopped because I became more serious about having children, my steroids weren't being monitored by a doc, and the cost was great. However, if my doctor prescribed them, monitored me, and the cost was covered (in part) by insurance, I am positive I would be in a different place today. Last year my gallbladder was removed and I lost 25 pounds in 3 weeks. I was worried that steroids might have played a part in that, but my doc assured me that it was completely unrelated. So, my zero side effects still holds true. I only wish he could've presribed a low does of steroids to get my weight back to normal in no time. Instead, it took me almost a year to gain that weight back.

I want the CF community to understand that there is more the medical community can do to help us out. I've seen first hand what anabolic steroids can do for someone with CF. Athletes who abuse them to improve their batting average or run faster cannot be the measure we use here.

I wanted to start a dialogue on this topic and express to everyone my frustration with the lack of vision I see in doctors who think steroids are evil and have no place in 'real' medicine. I am more open minded and I hope that soon, the medical community will agree.

Thanks.
 

Lex

New member
I saw a similar post that included some thoughts on anabolic steroids and CF. I thought that this particular topic should drag me out of the lurking shadows and create a separate thread to do it justice. This topic really hits home with me.

Some basic background on me. This is my first post, but I've been around these boards for quite awhile. I'm a 31 year old male with CF (dx @ 2 years old) and used steroids/Growth Hormone/Insulin/etc. all in the name of bodybuilding. I want to share with this community my experiences in the hopes that it raises questions and shines a light on an otherwise taboo topic that may have far reaching implications for CF.

I began using steroids 10 years ago. I was 150 pounds at 5'10' even though I worked out with weights 5-6 times a week and ate as much food as I could. I think I was at the top end of my "genetic potential" in terms of the amount of weight I could gain without the use of 'added' drugs. At the time, I wanted to gain weight for the cosmetic effect. In hindsight, it was the best thing I ever did for my CF. OK....let me explain.

I must've done 15-20 cycles in 5 years. A cycle is about 12-16 weeks on steroids followed by a 8-12 period being off. You 'cycle' steroids to allow your body to make it's own testosterone during those off times. The first cycle I did brought me up to 175 pounds in only 10 weeks! My appetite was dramatically increased, my exercise tolerance was amazing, and there were ZERO side effects.

That last statement may have been met with a bunch of rolling eyes. But I won't sugar coat anything-- no reason to. The gains I achieved with steroids changed my life. I took a low dose (not Arnold Schwarzenegger amounts) and were monitored by a professional. He made sure the cycle was properly done to avoid any side effects. Ironically, injecting steroids is far safer than taking a pill. A pill must pass through the liver and tends to be harsher on the body. Injections are as safe and you can imagine. Mass media is always portraying steroids as something evil and will cause a bunch of side effects including "roid rage" and even death. Trust me....it doesn't.

Anyway, after a few years of cycling steroids, I also tried Growth Hormone. WOW. I would wake up in the worning and feel as though I could JUMP out of bed and run a marathon. I'm not exaggerating for reader appeal. That's the truth. Again, zero side effects. If anyone wonders if HGH does anything, it does. I still remember how good I felt.

My last doctor's visit, I spoke candidly (for the first time) to him about my experiences. Fortunately, he listened and took notes. I mentioned that I once took clenbuteral (a pill that raises your body temperature, dialates the bronchial tubes, makes you jittery, etc.). I told my doc that when I was taking clenbuteral, my lungs felt like new. I would do a set of an exericise and when I was done, I would feel as though I hadn't even exerted myself. In a nutshell, my time on steroids virtually ERASED my CF symptoms. My lungs were great, my weight was 175, and my exercise tolerance was the same as my "healthy" friends--actually, better than them!

When I stopped taking "sports enhancing drugs", I was able to maintain 165 pounds on my own for 3 years. I didn't feel as good, but my weight was still good. I stopped because I became more serious about having children, my steroids weren't being monitored by a doc, and the cost was great. However, if my doctor prescribed them, monitored me, and the cost was covered (in part) by insurance, I am positive I would be in a different place today. Last year my gallbladder was removed and I lost 25 pounds in 3 weeks. I was worried that steroids might have played a part in that, but my doc assured me that it was completely unrelated. So, my zero side effects still holds true. I only wish he could've presribed a low does of steroids to get my weight back to normal in no time. Instead, it took me almost a year to gain that weight back.

I want the CF community to understand that there is more the medical community can do to help us out. I've seen first hand what anabolic steroids can do for someone with CF. Athletes who abuse them to improve their batting average or run faster cannot be the measure we use here.

I wanted to start a dialogue on this topic and express to everyone my frustration with the lack of vision I see in doctors who think steroids are evil and have no place in 'real' medicine. I am more open minded and I hope that soon, the medical community will agree.

Thanks.
 

Lex

New member
I saw a similar post that included some thoughts on anabolic steroids and CF. I thought that this particular topic should drag me out of the lurking shadows and create a separate thread to do it justice. This topic really hits home with me.
<br />
<br />Some basic background on me. This is my first post, but I've been around these boards for quite awhile. I'm a 31 year old male with CF (dx @ 2 years old) and used steroids/Growth Hormone/Insulin/etc. all in the name of bodybuilding. I want to share with this community my experiences in the hopes that it raises questions and shines a light on an otherwise taboo topic that may have far reaching implications for CF.
<br />
<br />I began using steroids 10 years ago. I was 150 pounds at 5'10' even though I worked out with weights 5-6 times a week and ate as much food as I could. I think I was at the top end of my "genetic potential" in terms of the amount of weight I could gain without the use of 'added' drugs. At the time, I wanted to gain weight for the cosmetic effect. In hindsight, it was the best thing I ever did for my CF. OK....let me explain.
<br />
<br />I must've done 15-20 cycles in 5 years. A cycle is about 12-16 weeks on steroids followed by a 8-12 period being off. You 'cycle' steroids to allow your body to make it's own testosterone during those off times. The first cycle I did brought me up to 175 pounds in only 10 weeks! My appetite was dramatically increased, my exercise tolerance was amazing, and there were ZERO side effects.
<br />
<br />That last statement may have been met with a bunch of rolling eyes. But I won't sugar coat anything-- no reason to. The gains I achieved with steroids changed my life. I took a low dose (not Arnold Schwarzenegger amounts) and were monitored by a professional. He made sure the cycle was properly done to avoid any side effects. Ironically, injecting steroids is far safer than taking a pill. A pill must pass through the liver and tends to be harsher on the body. Injections are as safe and you can imagine. Mass media is always portraying steroids as something evil and will cause a bunch of side effects including "roid rage" and even death. Trust me....it doesn't.
<br />
<br />Anyway, after a few years of cycling steroids, I also tried Growth Hormone. WOW. I would wake up in the worning and feel as though I could JUMP out of bed and run a marathon. I'm not exaggerating for reader appeal. That's the truth. Again, zero side effects. If anyone wonders if HGH does anything, it does. I still remember how good I felt.
<br />
<br />My last doctor's visit, I spoke candidly (for the first time) to him about my experiences. Fortunately, he listened and took notes. I mentioned that I once took clenbuteral (a pill that raises your body temperature, dialates the bronchial tubes, makes you jittery, etc.). I told my doc that when I was taking clenbuteral, my lungs felt like new. I would do a set of an exericise and when I was done, I would feel as though I hadn't even exerted myself. In a nutshell, my time on steroids virtually ERASED my CF symptoms. My lungs were great, my weight was 175, and my exercise tolerance was the same as my "healthy" friends--actually, better than them!
<br />
<br />When I stopped taking "sports enhancing drugs", I was able to maintain 165 pounds on my own for 3 years. I didn't feel as good, but my weight was still good. I stopped because I became more serious about having children, my steroids weren't being monitored by a doc, and the cost was great. However, if my doctor prescribed them, monitored me, and the cost was covered (in part) by insurance, I am positive I would be in a different place today. Last year my gallbladder was removed and I lost 25 pounds in 3 weeks. I was worried that steroids might have played a part in that, but my doc assured me that it was completely unrelated. So, my zero side effects still holds true. I only wish he could've presribed a low does of steroids to get my weight back to normal in no time. Instead, it took me almost a year to gain that weight back.
<br />
<br />I want the CF community to understand that there is more the medical community can do to help us out. I've seen first hand what anabolic steroids can do for someone with CF. Athletes who abuse them to improve their batting average or run faster cannot be the measure we use here.
<br />
<br />I wanted to start a dialogue on this topic and express to everyone my frustration with the lack of vision I see in doctors who think steroids are evil and have no place in 'real' medicine. I am more open minded and I hope that soon, the medical community will agree.
<br />
<br />Thanks.
 

Skye

New member
I love oral steroids and I think a lot of people on here would agree with that statement. I think the real concern is the serious side effects that steroids produce. They are hell on your bones and many other organs. The CFF is even recommending that docs get patients off of Advair. I will never do that. I have also been told that the "feel good" is more of an "adrenalin" feel and less of an actual "good thing". Also, you run the danger of your own system not producing its own natural steroids. That is my best guess as to why?? I get to do steroids in about a week for a tune-up and I am looking forward to it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> cuz the roids make me feel so good and productive. It is kind of crazy.
 

Skye

New member
I love oral steroids and I think a lot of people on here would agree with that statement. I think the real concern is the serious side effects that steroids produce. They are hell on your bones and many other organs. The CFF is even recommending that docs get patients off of Advair. I will never do that. I have also been told that the "feel good" is more of an "adrenalin" feel and less of an actual "good thing". Also, you run the danger of your own system not producing its own natural steroids. That is my best guess as to why?? I get to do steroids in about a week for a tune-up and I am looking forward to it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> cuz the roids make me feel so good and productive. It is kind of crazy.
 

Skye

New member
I love oral steroids and I think a lot of people on here would agree with that statement. I think the real concern is the serious side effects that steroids produce. They are hell on your bones and many other organs. The CFF is even recommending that docs get patients off of Advair. I will never do that. I have also been told that the "feel good" is more of an "adrenalin" feel and less of an actual "good thing". Also, you run the danger of your own system not producing its own natural steroids. That is my best guess as to why?? I get to do steroids in about a week for a tune-up and I am looking forward to it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> cuz the roids make me feel so good and productive. It is kind of crazy.
 

Skye

New member
I love oral steroids and I think a lot of people on here would agree with that statement. I think the real concern is the serious side effects that steroids produce. They are hell on your bones and many other organs. The CFF is even recommending that docs get patients off of Advair. I will never do that. I have also been told that the "feel good" is more of an "adrenalin" feel and less of an actual "good thing". Also, you run the danger of your own system not producing its own natural steroids. That is my best guess as to why?? I get to do steroids in about a week for a tune-up and I am looking forward to it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> cuz the roids make me feel so good and productive. It is kind of crazy.
 

Skye

New member
I love oral steroids and I think a lot of people on here would agree with that statement. I think the real concern is the serious side effects that steroids produce. They are hell on your bones and many other organs. The CFF is even recommending that docs get patients off of Advair. I will never do that. I have also been told that the "feel good" is more of an "adrenalin" feel and less of an actual "good thing". Also, you run the danger of your own system not producing its own natural steroids. That is my best guess as to why?? I get to do steroids in about a week for a tune-up and I am looking forward to it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> cuz the roids make me feel so good and productive. It is kind of crazy.
 
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cfsucks

Guest
interesting to hear.

i think that low controlled doses of hgh or something similar would benefit those with cf. however i feel that doctors have their heads up their asses when this idea is brought up.
 
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cfsucks

Guest
interesting to hear.

i think that low controlled doses of hgh or something similar would benefit those with cf. however i feel that doctors have their heads up their asses when this idea is brought up.
 
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cfsucks

Guest
interesting to hear.

i think that low controlled doses of hgh or something similar would benefit those with cf. however i feel that doctors have their heads up their asses when this idea is brought up.
 
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cfsucks

Guest
interesting to hear.

i think that low controlled doses of hgh or something similar would benefit those with cf. however i feel that doctors have their heads up their asses when this idea is brought up.
 
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cfsucks

Guest
interesting to hear.
<br />
<br />i think that low controlled doses of hgh or something similar would benefit those with cf. however i feel that doctors have their heads up their asses when this idea is brought up.
 

Faust

New member
There is always a plus side to everything, even something that appears to have many downsides. It's all a scale based system. You measure the known and potential cons vs the known and potential pros, and then come away with a decision if you want to do that or not. Me, I like good beer. I like socializing with friends and doing things together while we laugh and drink beer. I enjoy the feeling of ingesting good beer and yes I do enjoy a nice buzz from beer. Aside from me guinea pigging myself with applied research of supplements, that's about all I do that is potentially harmful to myself/my disease.

I have talked to enough people who have used anabolic roids and they basically tell me the same stories. That all of them had roid rage/anger issues much more heavily while on roids (they all of course lifted weights), and some told me of others they knew who had been on roids for a while that had even worse symptoms.

I believe in natural supplementation, and not synthetic supplementation. The worst I did was go on creatine for a while. I strength train, and i just got back from the gym. I'm not huge (5'11 200 lbs, medium size), but I have a nice chest and arms. You can tell I work out. I max bench @ 405lbs, and tonight I did 3 sets of 10 reps @ 365lbs on bench. I am a pretty strong man, and i'm in great shape in general.

While I doubt anabolic roids are as deserving as some of the demonizing press they have received, I have enough experience through others that shows they are too risky to mess with. And besides why would I need them? I lift weights to improve strength and tone up. Yeah I like to look better, but why would I want to be some huge muscle bound guy? I think being real big makes you look oddly disproportionate, and to be honest, i'd much rather fight a huge guy than a small toned/strong guy because the huge dudes have no flexibility/range of motion.

Now as to the possible side effects of anabolic roids towards CF...Who knows. Viagra was found to have secondary benefits to those with CF as well, but you don't see us taking high dose viagra every day. You could have very well been experiencing a placebo effect. You wanted to gain mass and get bigger. You knew anabolic roids did that for other non CF people and probably saw it work on some of your peers. The power of intention (as I have posted in the past), and the placebo effect (which is essentially the power of intention/belief) is as real as the dog laying next to me now, and it really works. I'm not saying you did not get any benefit from it, i'm just saying you never know.

I take the natural route, and there aren't that many guys at my gym who are stronger than me. If you dedicate yourself, change your diet, and address your CF symptoms with researched, logic applied natural supplements like I do, you could achieve the same goals, but safely (or atleast with much less potential risk).
 

Faust

New member
There is always a plus side to everything, even something that appears to have many downsides. It's all a scale based system. You measure the known and potential cons vs the known and potential pros, and then come away with a decision if you want to do that or not. Me, I like good beer. I like socializing with friends and doing things together while we laugh and drink beer. I enjoy the feeling of ingesting good beer and yes I do enjoy a nice buzz from beer. Aside from me guinea pigging myself with applied research of supplements, that's about all I do that is potentially harmful to myself/my disease.

I have talked to enough people who have used anabolic roids and they basically tell me the same stories. That all of them had roid rage/anger issues much more heavily while on roids (they all of course lifted weights), and some told me of others they knew who had been on roids for a while that had even worse symptoms.

I believe in natural supplementation, and not synthetic supplementation. The worst I did was go on creatine for a while. I strength train, and i just got back from the gym. I'm not huge (5'11 200 lbs, medium size), but I have a nice chest and arms. You can tell I work out. I max bench @ 405lbs, and tonight I did 3 sets of 10 reps @ 365lbs on bench. I am a pretty strong man, and i'm in great shape in general.

While I doubt anabolic roids are as deserving as some of the demonizing press they have received, I have enough experience through others that shows they are too risky to mess with. And besides why would I need them? I lift weights to improve strength and tone up. Yeah I like to look better, but why would I want to be some huge muscle bound guy? I think being real big makes you look oddly disproportionate, and to be honest, i'd much rather fight a huge guy than a small toned/strong guy because the huge dudes have no flexibility/range of motion.

Now as to the possible side effects of anabolic roids towards CF...Who knows. Viagra was found to have secondary benefits to those with CF as well, but you don't see us taking high dose viagra every day. You could have very well been experiencing a placebo effect. You wanted to gain mass and get bigger. You knew anabolic roids did that for other non CF people and probably saw it work on some of your peers. The power of intention (as I have posted in the past), and the placebo effect (which is essentially the power of intention/belief) is as real as the dog laying next to me now, and it really works. I'm not saying you did not get any benefit from it, i'm just saying you never know.

I take the natural route, and there aren't that many guys at my gym who are stronger than me. If you dedicate yourself, change your diet, and address your CF symptoms with researched, logic applied natural supplements like I do, you could achieve the same goals, but safely (or atleast with much less potential risk).
 

Faust

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There is always a plus side to everything, even something that appears to have many downsides. It's all a scale based system. You measure the known and potential cons vs the known and potential pros, and then come away with a decision if you want to do that or not. Me, I like good beer. I like socializing with friends and doing things together while we laugh and drink beer. I enjoy the feeling of ingesting good beer and yes I do enjoy a nice buzz from beer. Aside from me guinea pigging myself with applied research of supplements, that's about all I do that is potentially harmful to myself/my disease.

I have talked to enough people who have used anabolic roids and they basically tell me the same stories. That all of them had roid rage/anger issues much more heavily while on roids (they all of course lifted weights), and some told me of others they knew who had been on roids for a while that had even worse symptoms.

I believe in natural supplementation, and not synthetic supplementation. The worst I did was go on creatine for a while. I strength train, and i just got back from the gym. I'm not huge (5'11 200 lbs, medium size), but I have a nice chest and arms. You can tell I work out. I max bench @ 405lbs, and tonight I did 3 sets of 10 reps @ 365lbs on bench. I am a pretty strong man, and i'm in great shape in general.

While I doubt anabolic roids are as deserving as some of the demonizing press they have received, I have enough experience through others that shows they are too risky to mess with. And besides why would I need them? I lift weights to improve strength and tone up. Yeah I like to look better, but why would I want to be some huge muscle bound guy? I think being real big makes you look oddly disproportionate, and to be honest, i'd much rather fight a huge guy than a small toned/strong guy because the huge dudes have no flexibility/range of motion.

Now as to the possible side effects of anabolic roids towards CF...Who knows. Viagra was found to have secondary benefits to those with CF as well, but you don't see us taking high dose viagra every day. You could have very well been experiencing a placebo effect. You wanted to gain mass and get bigger. You knew anabolic roids did that for other non CF people and probably saw it work on some of your peers. The power of intention (as I have posted in the past), and the placebo effect (which is essentially the power of intention/belief) is as real as the dog laying next to me now, and it really works. I'm not saying you did not get any benefit from it, i'm just saying you never know.

I take the natural route, and there aren't that many guys at my gym who are stronger than me. If you dedicate yourself, change your diet, and address your CF symptoms with researched, logic applied natural supplements like I do, you could achieve the same goals, but safely (or atleast with much less potential risk).
 

Faust

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There is always a plus side to everything, even something that appears to have many downsides. It's all a scale based system. You measure the known and potential cons vs the known and potential pros, and then come away with a decision if you want to do that or not. Me, I like good beer. I like socializing with friends and doing things together while we laugh and drink beer. I enjoy the feeling of ingesting good beer and yes I do enjoy a nice buzz from beer. Aside from me guinea pigging myself with applied research of supplements, that's about all I do that is potentially harmful to myself/my disease.

I have talked to enough people who have used anabolic roids and they basically tell me the same stories. That all of them had roid rage/anger issues much more heavily while on roids (they all of course lifted weights), and some told me of others they knew who had been on roids for a while that had even worse symptoms.

I believe in natural supplementation, and not synthetic supplementation. The worst I did was go on creatine for a while. I strength train, and i just got back from the gym. I'm not huge (5'11 200 lbs, medium size), but I have a nice chest and arms. You can tell I work out. I max bench @ 405lbs, and tonight I did 3 sets of 10 reps @ 365lbs on bench. I am a pretty strong man, and i'm in great shape in general.

While I doubt anabolic roids are as deserving as some of the demonizing press they have received, I have enough experience through others that shows they are too risky to mess with. And besides why would I need them? I lift weights to improve strength and tone up. Yeah I like to look better, but why would I want to be some huge muscle bound guy? I think being real big makes you look oddly disproportionate, and to be honest, i'd much rather fight a huge guy than a small toned/strong guy because the huge dudes have no flexibility/range of motion.

Now as to the possible side effects of anabolic roids towards CF...Who knows. Viagra was found to have secondary benefits to those with CF as well, but you don't see us taking high dose viagra every day. You could have very well been experiencing a placebo effect. You wanted to gain mass and get bigger. You knew anabolic roids did that for other non CF people and probably saw it work on some of your peers. The power of intention (as I have posted in the past), and the placebo effect (which is essentially the power of intention/belief) is as real as the dog laying next to me now, and it really works. I'm not saying you did not get any benefit from it, i'm just saying you never know.

I take the natural route, and there aren't that many guys at my gym who are stronger than me. If you dedicate yourself, change your diet, and address your CF symptoms with researched, logic applied natural supplements like I do, you could achieve the same goals, but safely (or atleast with much less potential risk).
 

Faust

New member
There is always a plus side to everything, even something that appears to have many downsides. It's all a scale based system. You measure the known and potential cons vs the known and potential pros, and then come away with a decision if you want to do that or not. Me, I like good beer. I like socializing with friends and doing things together while we laugh and drink beer. I enjoy the feeling of ingesting good beer and yes I do enjoy a nice buzz from beer. Aside from me guinea pigging myself with applied research of supplements, that's about all I do that is potentially harmful to myself/my disease.
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<br />I have talked to enough people who have used anabolic roids and they basically tell me the same stories. That all of them had roid rage/anger issues much more heavily while on roids (they all of course lifted weights), and some told me of others they knew who had been on roids for a while that had even worse symptoms.
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<br />I believe in natural supplementation, and not synthetic supplementation. The worst I did was go on creatine for a while. I strength train, and i just got back from the gym. I'm not huge (5'11 200 lbs, medium size), but I have a nice chest and arms. You can tell I work out. I max bench @ 405lbs, and tonight I did 3 sets of 10 reps @ 365lbs on bench. I am a pretty strong man, and i'm in great shape in general.
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<br />While I doubt anabolic roids are as deserving as some of the demonizing press they have received, I have enough experience through others that shows they are too risky to mess with. And besides why would I need them? I lift weights to improve strength and tone up. Yeah I like to look better, but why would I want to be some huge muscle bound guy? I think being real big makes you look oddly disproportionate, and to be honest, i'd much rather fight a huge guy than a small toned/strong guy because the huge dudes have no flexibility/range of motion.
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<br />Now as to the possible side effects of anabolic roids towards CF...Who knows. Viagra was found to have secondary benefits to those with CF as well, but you don't see us taking high dose viagra every day. You could have very well been experiencing a placebo effect. You wanted to gain mass and get bigger. You knew anabolic roids did that for other non CF people and probably saw it work on some of your peers. The power of intention (as I have posted in the past), and the placebo effect (which is essentially the power of intention/belief) is as real as the dog laying next to me now, and it really works. I'm not saying you did not get any benefit from it, i'm just saying you never know.
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<br />I take the natural route, and there aren't that many guys at my gym who are stronger than me. If you dedicate yourself, change your diet, and address your CF symptoms with researched, logic applied natural supplements like I do, you could achieve the same goals, but safely (or atleast with much less potential risk).
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