Average Life Expectancy in the UK?????

dyza

New member
you know i have been aware of the difference ever since i came on this forum, so it has always intrigued me. I thought that maybe it was something to do with meds, but they are pretty much the same, the only thing i found that was different , was the use of the vest. Not that I am saying that this is the sole reason, it may take up a percentage.

The health of Scotland in general is not that high in relation to say, the rest of Europe. Traditional heavy industries like steel works, mining and ship building have left scars on the environment and pollution was high. It is a lot cleaner now. Smoking and drinking in Scotland is now in the decline, so we will see better health in the future i've no doubt.
And there is a high level of social degregation, (is that the right word), high levels of 'hard' drug use. What all this has to do with the average age of CFers, I don't honestly know. But it must go some ways towards it.

Oh, don't know if that all applys to England

Edited: Thats a new one for me, moving one reply into another thread, didn't know that could be done.lol

-------------------------
Craig
dad to rebecca [13 w/o cf]
and craig [ 16 month-old w c/f ]
Scotland
 

dyza

New member
you know i have been aware of the difference ever since i came on this forum, so it has always intrigued me. I thought that maybe it was something to do with meds, but they are pretty much the same, the only thing i found that was different , was the use of the vest. Not that I am saying that this is the sole reason, it may take up a percentage.

The health of Scotland in general is not that high in relation to say, the rest of Europe. Traditional heavy industries like steel works, mining and ship building have left scars on the environment and pollution was high. It is a lot cleaner now. Smoking and drinking in Scotland is now in the decline, so we will see better health in the future i've no doubt.
And there is a high level of social degregation, (is that the right word), high levels of 'hard' drug use. What all this has to do with the average age of CFers, I don't honestly know. But it must go some ways towards it.

Oh, don't know if that all applys to England

Edited: Thats a new one for me, moving one reply into another thread, didn't know that could be done.lol

-------------------------
Craig
dad to rebecca [13 w/o cf]
and craig [ 16 month-old w c/f ]
Scotland
 

welshgirl

New member
bravo craig!!!! encore!!! lol ( i must stop laughing at my own jokes.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">)
 

welshgirl

New member
bravo craig!!!! encore!!! lol ( i must stop laughing at my own jokes.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">)
 

welshgirl

New member
bravo craig!!!! encore!!! lol ( i must stop laughing at my own jokes.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">)
 

welshgirl

New member
amy , are you hinting that socialised medicine is not all that it is cracked up to be ?( your words not mine ) Averages and such like are not an exact sceince and i doubt in civilised countries there is any REAL difference in longevity of cf patients no matter what drugs are prescribed or type of physiotherapy used . <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

welshgirl

New member
amy , are you hinting that socialised medicine is not all that it is cracked up to be ?( your words not mine ) Averages and such like are not an exact sceince and i doubt in civilised countries there is any REAL difference in longevity of cf patients no matter what drugs are prescribed or type of physiotherapy used . <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

welshgirl

New member
amy , are you hinting that socialised medicine is not all that it is cracked up to be ?( your words not mine ) Averages and such like are not an exact sceince and i doubt in civilised countries there is any REAL difference in longevity of cf patients no matter what drugs are prescribed or type of physiotherapy used . <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

NoExcuses

New member
as i stated earlier, i've questioned my own center's averages versus national averages.

are you serious when you say that there is no difference in longevity no matter what drugs are prescribed or physiotherapy used???? there are differences within CF centers due to these parameters..... so i don't see why this wouldn't transcend national borders. Denmark's use of meds prescribed makes a difference in their life expectancy as well. I'm pretty shocked at your statement.

I think many people find comfort in the fact that they believe that everyone is being treated equally - every doc has all the knowledge they need to treat CF and everyone has equal access to information and the meds that they need.

The reality is that in any disease state, there are variations in physicians' training, ability, knowledge and patient's access to meds, treatments, etc.

There is a Bell Curve for CF treatment. What part of the curve is your son's treatment located on?

i was suprised when i read this article so i wanted to see what everyone's perspective is.

averages are not exact science? how do you figure? it's easy to keep track of the CF patients who die every year, and take either the median or mean of the #s. it doesn't get more exact than that.

as i stated earlier - i found out my CF center's #s are lower than the national average. so i'm doing some investigating. i figured other like-mind people would do the same if they found out that their country's national average was lower than another country. If you don't want to compare UK #s to US #s, then compare UK #s to Denmark's #s if that makes you feel better. i don't care.

i was just posing a question.... which so far only craig has been able to answer head-on.
 

NoExcuses

New member
as i stated earlier, i've questioned my own center's averages versus national averages.

are you serious when you say that there is no difference in longevity no matter what drugs are prescribed or physiotherapy used???? there are differences within CF centers due to these parameters..... so i don't see why this wouldn't transcend national borders. Denmark's use of meds prescribed makes a difference in their life expectancy as well. I'm pretty shocked at your statement.

I think many people find comfort in the fact that they believe that everyone is being treated equally - every doc has all the knowledge they need to treat CF and everyone has equal access to information and the meds that they need.

The reality is that in any disease state, there are variations in physicians' training, ability, knowledge and patient's access to meds, treatments, etc.

There is a Bell Curve for CF treatment. What part of the curve is your son's treatment located on?

i was suprised when i read this article so i wanted to see what everyone's perspective is.

averages are not exact science? how do you figure? it's easy to keep track of the CF patients who die every year, and take either the median or mean of the #s. it doesn't get more exact than that.

as i stated earlier - i found out my CF center's #s are lower than the national average. so i'm doing some investigating. i figured other like-mind people would do the same if they found out that their country's national average was lower than another country. If you don't want to compare UK #s to US #s, then compare UK #s to Denmark's #s if that makes you feel better. i don't care.

i was just posing a question.... which so far only craig has been able to answer head-on.
 

NoExcuses

New member
as i stated earlier, i've questioned my own center's averages versus national averages.

are you serious when you say that there is no difference in longevity no matter what drugs are prescribed or physiotherapy used???? there are differences within CF centers due to these parameters..... so i don't see why this wouldn't transcend national borders. Denmark's use of meds prescribed makes a difference in their life expectancy as well. I'm pretty shocked at your statement.

I think many people find comfort in the fact that they believe that everyone is being treated equally - every doc has all the knowledge they need to treat CF and everyone has equal access to information and the meds that they need.

The reality is that in any disease state, there are variations in physicians' training, ability, knowledge and patient's access to meds, treatments, etc.

There is a Bell Curve for CF treatment. What part of the curve is your son's treatment located on?

i was suprised when i read this article so i wanted to see what everyone's perspective is.

averages are not exact science? how do you figure? it's easy to keep track of the CF patients who die every year, and take either the median or mean of the #s. it doesn't get more exact than that.

as i stated earlier - i found out my CF center's #s are lower than the national average. so i'm doing some investigating. i figured other like-mind people would do the same if they found out that their country's national average was lower than another country. If you don't want to compare UK #s to US #s, then compare UK #s to Denmark's #s if that makes you feel better. i don't care.

i was just posing a question.... which so far only craig has been able to answer head-on.
 

NoExcuses

New member
Craig, I think your instincts are correct.... But man it seems like Gordon Brown thing is going to really shake things up in the UK. Great news!!!!!

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1792082006
">http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1792082006
</a>
<b>Cystic fibrosis children treated as 'second-class citizens'</b>

KATE FOSTERCHIEF REPORTER

ONE in five children with cystic fibrosis in Scotland do not receive specialist care, according to an official report into the disease which describes services as "inadequate".

An investigation by the Scottish Executive into NHS services revealed 82 of the 389 children with the disease are not being seen by specialists. It called for 40 extra NHS staff to plug substantial gaps in care.

The revelation follows the disclosure that Chancellor Gordon Brown's four-month-old son Fraser has been diagnosed with the life-shortening disease.

The Chancellor and his wife Sarah, who have one other son John, learned in July that Fraser may have the genetic disease, which causes the lungs and digestive system to produce abnormally thick mucus which blocks airways and causes infections. Recent tests confirmed it.

Last night a leading consultant claimed Scots children with cystic fibrosis are treated as "second-class citizens" with poor access to doctors, nurses and other experts. Dr Anil Mehta, a specialist in child health at Ninewells Hospital in Dundee and head of the European cystic fibrosis database, said at least £3m was needed to provide an adequate service in Scotland.

Until recently, the average life expectancy of sufferers was extremely low but with advances in treatment it rose from five years in 1960 to 31 now, and a new patient group of adults with cystic fibrosis has emerged. This has prompted the NHS to ringfence funding for adult patients at around £3m a year, but paediatric services for cystic fibrosis have not been given the same measure and must compete for funding with other services.

Mehta, whose research persuaded the Executive to introduce screening for cystic fibrosis in newborns, said: "The fundamental problem is that children are treated in a different way from adults. They are second-class citizens and I have been bashing my head against a brick wall on this issue. It is a relatively rare disease and as soon as you have something which is below the NHS radar it goes into the general NHS funding pot.

"The screening test has made a huge difference to children's outcomes. There are now babies receiving care within a month of their birth.

"But if you live miles away from anywhere you need a dedicated regional consultant specialist who is able to travel with a team of specialists, such as a nurse, physiotherapist, dietician and pharmacist, to individual hospitals twice a year to see patients. Specialists know what's going on, they know about new drugs undergoing clinical trials. They check patients' growth and screen them for diabetes and check their nutrition."

The Scottish Executive report, Healthcare Services for Children with Cystic Fibrosis in Scotland - An Evaluation of Current Provision, concluded that 21% of patients were not receiving specialist care. The report states: "This level of care is deemed to be inadequate on the basis of the widely accepted CF Trust standards of care."

Boards not providing adequate care were Argyll and Clyde, Ayrshire and Arran, Forth Valley and Highland.

Cara Doran, Scottish spokeswoman for the Cystic Fibrosis Trust who contributed to the report, said last night: "There is a general shortage of doctors and nurses and there are gaps in most of the service provision in Scotland in one way or another.

"Paediatric consultants as a group have been campaigning for a long time. They want a network with appropriate funding so they can do what they have been doing in a more appropriate and effective way."

A Scottish Executive spokesman said: "This year, we established a National Steering Group for Specialist Children's Services which is committed to improving complex care for children in Scotland, including those with cystic fibrosis. The steering group will be working with paediatric experts to improve specialist care for children."

<b>Gene therapy trials that offer fresh hope </b>

THE biggest test undertaken of a gene therapy treatment for cystic fibrosis is about to start in Britain.

Results, expected by 2010, stand a real chance of transforming the lives of patients and families affected by the disease. The £20m project, almost entirely funded by charitable donations, will be conducted by scientists in Edinburgh, London and Oxford.

They hope to prove that corrective genes can be administered to cystic fibrosis sufferers via a spray inhaler. A trial due to begin in 2008 will for the first time attempt to show evidence that gene therapy can improve the condition of patients with the disease. The scientists do not expect to provide a complete cure, but hope the treatment will be the first in the world to tackle the underlying cause of CF rather than focus on the symptoms.

Patients could have their condition improved to an extent that will hugely improve their quality of life.

Last updated: 03-Dec-06 01:44 GMT
 

NoExcuses

New member
Craig, I think your instincts are correct.... But man it seems like Gordon Brown thing is going to really shake things up in the UK. Great news!!!!!

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1792082006
">http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1792082006
</a>
<b>Cystic fibrosis children treated as 'second-class citizens'</b>

KATE FOSTERCHIEF REPORTER

ONE in five children with cystic fibrosis in Scotland do not receive specialist care, according to an official report into the disease which describes services as "inadequate".

An investigation by the Scottish Executive into NHS services revealed 82 of the 389 children with the disease are not being seen by specialists. It called for 40 extra NHS staff to plug substantial gaps in care.

The revelation follows the disclosure that Chancellor Gordon Brown's four-month-old son Fraser has been diagnosed with the life-shortening disease.

The Chancellor and his wife Sarah, who have one other son John, learned in July that Fraser may have the genetic disease, which causes the lungs and digestive system to produce abnormally thick mucus which blocks airways and causes infections. Recent tests confirmed it.

Last night a leading consultant claimed Scots children with cystic fibrosis are treated as "second-class citizens" with poor access to doctors, nurses and other experts. Dr Anil Mehta, a specialist in child health at Ninewells Hospital in Dundee and head of the European cystic fibrosis database, said at least £3m was needed to provide an adequate service in Scotland.

Until recently, the average life expectancy of sufferers was extremely low but with advances in treatment it rose from five years in 1960 to 31 now, and a new patient group of adults with cystic fibrosis has emerged. This has prompted the NHS to ringfence funding for adult patients at around £3m a year, but paediatric services for cystic fibrosis have not been given the same measure and must compete for funding with other services.

Mehta, whose research persuaded the Executive to introduce screening for cystic fibrosis in newborns, said: "The fundamental problem is that children are treated in a different way from adults. They are second-class citizens and I have been bashing my head against a brick wall on this issue. It is a relatively rare disease and as soon as you have something which is below the NHS radar it goes into the general NHS funding pot.

"The screening test has made a huge difference to children's outcomes. There are now babies receiving care within a month of their birth.

"But if you live miles away from anywhere you need a dedicated regional consultant specialist who is able to travel with a team of specialists, such as a nurse, physiotherapist, dietician and pharmacist, to individual hospitals twice a year to see patients. Specialists know what's going on, they know about new drugs undergoing clinical trials. They check patients' growth and screen them for diabetes and check their nutrition."

The Scottish Executive report, Healthcare Services for Children with Cystic Fibrosis in Scotland - An Evaluation of Current Provision, concluded that 21% of patients were not receiving specialist care. The report states: "This level of care is deemed to be inadequate on the basis of the widely accepted CF Trust standards of care."

Boards not providing adequate care were Argyll and Clyde, Ayrshire and Arran, Forth Valley and Highland.

Cara Doran, Scottish spokeswoman for the Cystic Fibrosis Trust who contributed to the report, said last night: "There is a general shortage of doctors and nurses and there are gaps in most of the service provision in Scotland in one way or another.

"Paediatric consultants as a group have been campaigning for a long time. They want a network with appropriate funding so they can do what they have been doing in a more appropriate and effective way."

A Scottish Executive spokesman said: "This year, we established a National Steering Group for Specialist Children's Services which is committed to improving complex care for children in Scotland, including those with cystic fibrosis. The steering group will be working with paediatric experts to improve specialist care for children."

<b>Gene therapy trials that offer fresh hope </b>

THE biggest test undertaken of a gene therapy treatment for cystic fibrosis is about to start in Britain.

Results, expected by 2010, stand a real chance of transforming the lives of patients and families affected by the disease. The £20m project, almost entirely funded by charitable donations, will be conducted by scientists in Edinburgh, London and Oxford.

They hope to prove that corrective genes can be administered to cystic fibrosis sufferers via a spray inhaler. A trial due to begin in 2008 will for the first time attempt to show evidence that gene therapy can improve the condition of patients with the disease. The scientists do not expect to provide a complete cure, but hope the treatment will be the first in the world to tackle the underlying cause of CF rather than focus on the symptoms.

Patients could have their condition improved to an extent that will hugely improve their quality of life.

Last updated: 03-Dec-06 01:44 GMT
 

NoExcuses

New member
Craig, I think your instincts are correct.... But man it seems like Gordon Brown thing is going to really shake things up in the UK. Great news!!!!!

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1792082006
">http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1792082006
</a>
<b>Cystic fibrosis children treated as 'second-class citizens'</b>

KATE FOSTERCHIEF REPORTER

ONE in five children with cystic fibrosis in Scotland do not receive specialist care, according to an official report into the disease which describes services as "inadequate".

An investigation by the Scottish Executive into NHS services revealed 82 of the 389 children with the disease are not being seen by specialists. It called for 40 extra NHS staff to plug substantial gaps in care.

The revelation follows the disclosure that Chancellor Gordon Brown's four-month-old son Fraser has been diagnosed with the life-shortening disease.

The Chancellor and his wife Sarah, who have one other son John, learned in July that Fraser may have the genetic disease, which causes the lungs and digestive system to produce abnormally thick mucus which blocks airways and causes infections. Recent tests confirmed it.

Last night a leading consultant claimed Scots children with cystic fibrosis are treated as "second-class citizens" with poor access to doctors, nurses and other experts. Dr Anil Mehta, a specialist in child health at Ninewells Hospital in Dundee and head of the European cystic fibrosis database, said at least £3m was needed to provide an adequate service in Scotland.

Until recently, the average life expectancy of sufferers was extremely low but with advances in treatment it rose from five years in 1960 to 31 now, and a new patient group of adults with cystic fibrosis has emerged. This has prompted the NHS to ringfence funding for adult patients at around £3m a year, but paediatric services for cystic fibrosis have not been given the same measure and must compete for funding with other services.

Mehta, whose research persuaded the Executive to introduce screening for cystic fibrosis in newborns, said: "The fundamental problem is that children are treated in a different way from adults. They are second-class citizens and I have been bashing my head against a brick wall on this issue. It is a relatively rare disease and as soon as you have something which is below the NHS radar it goes into the general NHS funding pot.

"The screening test has made a huge difference to children's outcomes. There are now babies receiving care within a month of their birth.

"But if you live miles away from anywhere you need a dedicated regional consultant specialist who is able to travel with a team of specialists, such as a nurse, physiotherapist, dietician and pharmacist, to individual hospitals twice a year to see patients. Specialists know what's going on, they know about new drugs undergoing clinical trials. They check patients' growth and screen them for diabetes and check their nutrition."

The Scottish Executive report, Healthcare Services for Children with Cystic Fibrosis in Scotland - An Evaluation of Current Provision, concluded that 21% of patients were not receiving specialist care. The report states: "This level of care is deemed to be inadequate on the basis of the widely accepted CF Trust standards of care."

Boards not providing adequate care were Argyll and Clyde, Ayrshire and Arran, Forth Valley and Highland.

Cara Doran, Scottish spokeswoman for the Cystic Fibrosis Trust who contributed to the report, said last night: "There is a general shortage of doctors and nurses and there are gaps in most of the service provision in Scotland in one way or another.

"Paediatric consultants as a group have been campaigning for a long time. They want a network with appropriate funding so they can do what they have been doing in a more appropriate and effective way."

A Scottish Executive spokesman said: "This year, we established a National Steering Group for Specialist Children's Services which is committed to improving complex care for children in Scotland, including those with cystic fibrosis. The steering group will be working with paediatric experts to improve specialist care for children."

<b>Gene therapy trials that offer fresh hope </b>

THE biggest test undertaken of a gene therapy treatment for cystic fibrosis is about to start in Britain.

Results, expected by 2010, stand a real chance of transforming the lives of patients and families affected by the disease. The £20m project, almost entirely funded by charitable donations, will be conducted by scientists in Edinburgh, London and Oxford.

They hope to prove that corrective genes can be administered to cystic fibrosis sufferers via a spray inhaler. A trial due to begin in 2008 will for the first time attempt to show evidence that gene therapy can improve the condition of patients with the disease. The scientists do not expect to provide a complete cure, but hope the treatment will be the first in the world to tackle the underlying cause of CF rather than focus on the symptoms.

Patients could have their condition improved to an extent that will hugely improve their quality of life.

Last updated: 03-Dec-06 01:44 GMT
 

kbspitfire

New member
Just a quick note - medians and means can be very different, enough to cover 6 years (although I don't know whether UK uses the mean, so it may not be the reason for the difference between UK and US).

E.g. 11 patients, death ages: 3,6,9,15,20,36,39,45,54,55,56
Mean = 30.7, Median = 36
Obviously you'd have a few more people in the sample, but the idea's the same.

Apologies for sounding like a geek but I just took a stats class which covered this so thought I'd share my knowledge <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

kbspitfire

New member
Just a quick note - medians and means can be very different, enough to cover 6 years (although I don't know whether UK uses the mean, so it may not be the reason for the difference between UK and US).

E.g. 11 patients, death ages: 3,6,9,15,20,36,39,45,54,55,56
Mean = 30.7, Median = 36
Obviously you'd have a few more people in the sample, but the idea's the same.

Apologies for sounding like a geek but I just took a stats class which covered this so thought I'd share my knowledge <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

kbspitfire

New member
Just a quick note - medians and means can be very different, enough to cover 6 years (although I don't know whether UK uses the mean, so it may not be the reason for the difference between UK and US).

E.g. 11 patients, death ages: 3,6,9,15,20,36,39,45,54,55,56
Mean = 30.7, Median = 36
Obviously you'd have a few more people in the sample, but the idea's the same.

Apologies for sounding like a geek but I just took a stats class which covered this so thought I'd share my knowledge <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

Bumblebee

New member
Yes means and medians can be different. And i've heard someone say the USA mean is 36.8 but the median is 32. Don't quote me on that, not sure where i heard that.... But just to say yes means and medians can be quite different as Kathryn says. Means take in all the numbers - the average age as people think of it, so outliers can skew the number alot e.g. someone living to 65. Medians are "the age most people die at" I think. Feel free to correct me.
If the CFF and CFT are quoting the same number though, i don't know why they are that different! No help there.
xxxxx
 

Bumblebee

New member
Yes means and medians can be different. And i've heard someone say the USA mean is 36.8 but the median is 32. Don't quote me on that, not sure where i heard that.... But just to say yes means and medians can be quite different as Kathryn says. Means take in all the numbers - the average age as people think of it, so outliers can skew the number alot e.g. someone living to 65. Medians are "the age most people die at" I think. Feel free to correct me.
If the CFF and CFT are quoting the same number though, i don't know why they are that different! No help there.
xxxxx
 

Bumblebee

New member
Yes means and medians can be different. And i've heard someone say the USA mean is 36.8 but the median is 32. Don't quote me on that, not sure where i heard that.... But just to say yes means and medians can be quite different as Kathryn says. Means take in all the numbers - the average age as people think of it, so outliers can skew the number alot e.g. someone living to 65. Medians are "the age most people die at" I think. Feel free to correct me.
If the CFF and CFT are quoting the same number though, i don't know why they are that different! No help there.
xxxxx
 
Top