bottle sterilizer/germ guardian for nebs

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dramamama

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yes, Wendy, that is what I use. Thanks for pointing that out!! 212 is much better! I changed my original post.

So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

For anyone interested, here is the link.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...ssterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>
And just FYI...the Europeans have been suggesting these to their patients for quite a while. While the IQ is new, the Avent sterilizer has been around for a long time!

In fact, I have an article I need to post about cleaning methods form the European J of CF....I'll hunt it down and post it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And Lauren-
That would be great if you would post as much info as you can find on the subject!!

I was not saying your parents taught you about sterilization. What I was saying is that most adult cfers used vinegar to sterilize when we were younger....now the CFF has gone and changed their guidelines <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And please advise:
who do you get your eflow from...Foundation Care? They have different guidelines than IV Solutions....weird.
 
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dramamama

New member
yes, Wendy, that is what I use. Thanks for pointing that out!! 212 is much better! I changed my original post.

So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

For anyone interested, here is the link.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...ssterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>
And just FYI...the Europeans have been suggesting these to their patients for quite a while. While the IQ is new, the Avent sterilizer has been around for a long time!

In fact, I have an article I need to post about cleaning methods form the European J of CF....I'll hunt it down and post it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And Lauren-
That would be great if you would post as much info as you can find on the subject!!

I was not saying your parents taught you about sterilization. What I was saying is that most adult cfers used vinegar to sterilize when we were younger....now the CFF has gone and changed their guidelines <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And please advise:
who do you get your eflow from...Foundation Care? They have different guidelines than IV Solutions....weird.
 
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dramamama

New member
yes, Wendy, that is what I use. Thanks for pointing that out!! 212 is much better! I changed my original post.

So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

For anyone interested, here is the link.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...ssterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>
And just FYI...the Europeans have been suggesting these to their patients for quite a while. While the IQ is new, the Avent sterilizer has been around for a long time!

In fact, I have an article I need to post about cleaning methods form the European J of CF....I'll hunt it down and post it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And Lauren-
That would be great if you would post as much info as you can find on the subject!!

I was not saying your parents taught you about sterilization. What I was saying is that most adult cfers used vinegar to sterilize when we were younger....now the CFF has gone and changed their guidelines <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And please advise:
who do you get your eflow from...Foundation Care? They have different guidelines than IV Solutions....weird.
 
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dramamama

New member
yes, Wendy, that is what I use. Thanks for pointing that out!! 212 is much better! I changed my original post.

So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

For anyone interested, here is the link.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...ssterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>
And just FYI...the Europeans have been suggesting these to their patients for quite a while. While the IQ is new, the Avent sterilizer has been around for a long time!

In fact, I have an article I need to post about cleaning methods form the European J of CF....I'll hunt it down and post it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And Lauren-
That would be great if you would post as much info as you can find on the subject!!

I was not saying your parents taught you about sterilization. What I was saying is that most adult cfers used vinegar to sterilize when we were younger....now the CFF has gone and changed their guidelines <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And please advise:
who do you get your eflow from...Foundation Care? They have different guidelines than IV Solutions....weird.
 
D

dramamama

New member
yes, Wendy, that is what I use. Thanks for pointing that out!! 212 is much better! I changed my original post.

So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

For anyone interested, here is the link.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...ssterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>
And just FYI...the Europeans have been suggesting these to their patients for quite a while. While the IQ is new, the Avent sterilizer has been around for a long time!

In fact, I have an article I need to post about cleaning methods form the European J of CF....I'll hunt it down and post it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And Lauren-
That would be great if you would post as much info as you can find on the subject!!

I was not saying your parents taught you about sterilization. What I was saying is that most adult cfers used vinegar to sterilize when we were younger....now the CFF has gone and changed their guidelines <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

And please advise:
who do you get your eflow from...Foundation Care? They have different guidelines than IV Solutions....weird.
 
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gr33nie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dramamama</b></i>



So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">




<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...sterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>


</end quote></div>

I just wonder if it reaches a temp of 212 degrees at some point during the cycle of if it's 6 full minutes at that temperature. If only you could set it to go longer than 6 min. it sounds perfect.

Does anyone know what temperature the microwave bottle sterilizers get up to? I would think that would be ideal because you could set it for 10 or 15 min. if you wanted to (if the temp was high enough).
Sarah
 
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gr33nie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dramamama</b></i>



So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">




<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...sterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>


</end quote></div>

I just wonder if it reaches a temp of 212 degrees at some point during the cycle of if it's 6 full minutes at that temperature. If only you could set it to go longer than 6 min. it sounds perfect.

Does anyone know what temperature the microwave bottle sterilizers get up to? I would think that would be ideal because you could set it for 10 or 15 min. if you wanted to (if the temp was high enough).
Sarah
 
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gr33nie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dramamama</b></i>



So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">




<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...sterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>


</end quote></div>

I just wonder if it reaches a temp of 212 degrees at some point during the cycle of if it's 6 full minutes at that temperature. If only you could set it to go longer than 6 min. it sounds perfect.

Does anyone know what temperature the microwave bottle sterilizers get up to? I would think that would be ideal because you could set it for 10 or 15 min. if you wanted to (if the temp was high enough).
Sarah
 
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gr33nie

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dramamama</b></i>



So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">




<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...sterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>


</end quote>

I just wonder if it reaches a temp of 212 degrees at some point during the cycle of if it's 6 full minutes at that temperature. If only you could set it to go longer than 6 min. it sounds perfect.

Does anyone know what temperature the microwave bottle sterilizers get up to? I would think that would be ideal because you could set it for 10 or 15 min. if you wanted to (if the temp was high enough).
Sarah
 
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gr33nie

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dramamama</b></i>



So, one cycle is 6 minutes. The CFF says water is sterile after 5 minutes of boiling...Hopefully I am in the clear<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">




<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aventamerica.com/products/warmerssterilizers/warmerssterilizers_iq24.asp
">http://www.aventamerica.com/pr...sterilizers_iq24.asp
</a>


</end quote>

I just wonder if it reaches a temp of 212 degrees at some point during the cycle of if it's 6 full minutes at that temperature. If only you could set it to go longer than 6 min. it sounds perfect.

Does anyone know what temperature the microwave bottle sterilizers get up to? I would think that would be ideal because you could set it for 10 or 15 min. if you wanted to (if the temp was high enough).
Sarah
 
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folione

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When my boy started using a bunch of nebulizers (4 years ago), I did some research on using the avent microwave unit because we already had one. What I found was that there are 2 things to talk about with this unit and so far I've only seen comments on the first one:
1. The sterilizing effect of the boiling water/steam generated in the unit & how long it takes that heat to do the job.
2. The sterilizing effect of the microwave radiation & whether that kills anything (& how long it takes to do so).

What I found back then was that 5 minutes in a microwave steam sterilizer should do the job. One of the lab studies I found gave an extensive list of organisms and how long a microwave exposure it took to kill them...most were very short, under a minute. Pseudomonas A. was at the longer end of the scale - I don't recall the exact number but it was less than 5 minutes. The 5 minutes was based on the effect of the steam, but I don't recall where I got that number. I don't have the study at hand but will do a search and post it if I can.

After they've been washed and steam-nuked, I shake them out right away (and burn the heck out of my fingers) and either air-dry or dry with a paper towel. In my house from November to April the air is so dry that air-drying takes just a couple minutes. Judging from several comments in this thread, this air-drying sounds like a defect in my system that I need to look into.

Big disclaimer: my boy with CF has cultured pseudomonas off and on since he was 14 months. I choose to think it's not my neb-cleaning at fault, but who knows?
 
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folione

New member
When my boy started using a bunch of nebulizers (4 years ago), I did some research on using the avent microwave unit because we already had one. What I found was that there are 2 things to talk about with this unit and so far I've only seen comments on the first one:
1. The sterilizing effect of the boiling water/steam generated in the unit & how long it takes that heat to do the job.
2. The sterilizing effect of the microwave radiation & whether that kills anything (& how long it takes to do so).

What I found back then was that 5 minutes in a microwave steam sterilizer should do the job. One of the lab studies I found gave an extensive list of organisms and how long a microwave exposure it took to kill them...most were very short, under a minute. Pseudomonas A. was at the longer end of the scale - I don't recall the exact number but it was less than 5 minutes. The 5 minutes was based on the effect of the steam, but I don't recall where I got that number. I don't have the study at hand but will do a search and post it if I can.

After they've been washed and steam-nuked, I shake them out right away (and burn the heck out of my fingers) and either air-dry or dry with a paper towel. In my house from November to April the air is so dry that air-drying takes just a couple minutes. Judging from several comments in this thread, this air-drying sounds like a defect in my system that I need to look into.

Big disclaimer: my boy with CF has cultured pseudomonas off and on since he was 14 months. I choose to think it's not my neb-cleaning at fault, but who knows?
 
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folione

New member
When my boy started using a bunch of nebulizers (4 years ago), I did some research on using the avent microwave unit because we already had one. What I found was that there are 2 things to talk about with this unit and so far I've only seen comments on the first one:
1. The sterilizing effect of the boiling water/steam generated in the unit & how long it takes that heat to do the job.
2. The sterilizing effect of the microwave radiation & whether that kills anything (& how long it takes to do so).

What I found back then was that 5 minutes in a microwave steam sterilizer should do the job. One of the lab studies I found gave an extensive list of organisms and how long a microwave exposure it took to kill them...most were very short, under a minute. Pseudomonas A. was at the longer end of the scale - I don't recall the exact number but it was less than 5 minutes. The 5 minutes was based on the effect of the steam, but I don't recall where I got that number. I don't have the study at hand but will do a search and post it if I can.

After they've been washed and steam-nuked, I shake them out right away (and burn the heck out of my fingers) and either air-dry or dry with a paper towel. In my house from November to April the air is so dry that air-drying takes just a couple minutes. Judging from several comments in this thread, this air-drying sounds like a defect in my system that I need to look into.

Big disclaimer: my boy with CF has cultured pseudomonas off and on since he was 14 months. I choose to think it's not my neb-cleaning at fault, but who knows?
 
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folione

New member
When my boy started using a bunch of nebulizers (4 years ago), I did some research on using the avent microwave unit because we already had one. What I found was that there are 2 things to talk about with this unit and so far I've only seen comments on the first one:
1. The sterilizing effect of the boiling water/steam generated in the unit & how long it takes that heat to do the job.
2. The sterilizing effect of the microwave radiation & whether that kills anything (& how long it takes to do so).

What I found back then was that 5 minutes in a microwave steam sterilizer should do the job. One of the lab studies I found gave an extensive list of organisms and how long a microwave exposure it took to kill them...most were very short, under a minute. Pseudomonas A. was at the longer end of the scale - I don't recall the exact number but it was less than 5 minutes. The 5 minutes was based on the effect of the steam, but I don't recall where I got that number. I don't have the study at hand but will do a search and post it if I can.

After they've been washed and steam-nuked, I shake them out right away (and burn the heck out of my fingers) and either air-dry or dry with a paper towel. In my house from November to April the air is so dry that air-drying takes just a couple minutes. Judging from several comments in this thread, this air-drying sounds like a defect in my system that I need to look into.

Big disclaimer: my boy with CF has cultured pseudomonas off and on since he was 14 months. I choose to think it's not my neb-cleaning at fault, but who knows?
 
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folione

New member
When my boy started using a bunch of nebulizers (4 years ago), I did some research on using the avent microwave unit because we already had one. What I found was that there are 2 things to talk about with this unit and so far I've only seen comments on the first one:
1. The sterilizing effect of the boiling water/steam generated in the unit & how long it takes that heat to do the job.
2. The sterilizing effect of the microwave radiation & whether that kills anything (& how long it takes to do so).

What I found back then was that 5 minutes in a microwave steam sterilizer should do the job. One of the lab studies I found gave an extensive list of organisms and how long a microwave exposure it took to kill them...most were very short, under a minute. Pseudomonas A. was at the longer end of the scale - I don't recall the exact number but it was less than 5 minutes. The 5 minutes was based on the effect of the steam, but I don't recall where I got that number. I don't have the study at hand but will do a search and post it if I can.

After they've been washed and steam-nuked, I shake them out right away (and burn the heck out of my fingers) and either air-dry or dry with a paper towel. In my house from November to April the air is so dry that air-drying takes just a couple minutes. Judging from several comments in this thread, this air-drying sounds like a defect in my system that I need to look into.

Big disclaimer: my boy with CF has cultured pseudomonas off and on since he was 14 months. I choose to think it's not my neb-cleaning at fault, but who knows?
 
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