Business of Being Born

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Keepercjr

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

i am dying to see it. i don't think that home births are a great thing in all cases (at least for cfers)-in this world, if something did go wrong and you didn't make it to the hosp, i couldn't live with that knowledge, wondering, what if?....</end quote></div>

Christian
After experiencing my birth with Logan, I realized that there was nothing about my CF that made me high risk for birth itself - my asthma didn't flare, I didn't cough my head off, I didn't cough up blood, etc. After his birth, I still figured any other children I have would be born in the hospital due to me having CF. But then I started thinking - what exactly would the CF cause that would make a hospital birth <i>necessary for me</i>? I couldn't come up with one thing at all! Of course if I were in the middle of an exacerbation or something like that I would do the hospital route but this is something that my midwife and I have discussed. It isn't homebirth at all costs, it is homebirth as long as I remain healthy and don't develop any complications. Should a complication arise during labor or delivery, my midwife and I will discuss my options and I will listen to her if she says it is time to transfer to a hospital. I don't for one second think that anybody else should have a homebirth. That is up to each individual woman to decide.


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>birth has been distorted to be a medical condition-not a natural part of life that a woman's body was made to be able to do.

for ladies who have never given birth or haven't seen a live birth, it is not at all what the media has portrayed.

birth isn't a screaming nutso red faced woman...it is very calm, albeit intense, but a controlled peaceful experience.



to say this isn't knocking anyone who had to have a c sec or who chose a c sec. its simply this:

a c sec is a major surgery. (anytime u are cutting such a major muscle group near vital organs, it is a major surgery) that being said, isn't it wrong for doctors to push uneccesary c sec's on women that are capable of giving birth vaignally as nature intended? i think most people would agree that 'nature' intended for babies to come out vaginally...duh.

sometimes we must intervene in nature to save lives of mom and baby. my doula said it this way-a c sec is an amazing life saving surgery-when done only to save a life. not done to make a birth convenient, or a controlled situation for a doctor.

c sec's are easier in some ways for docs bc vaginal birth can take many different roads, can stall and be unexpected. for c sec's, you schedule it (usually), the doc doesn't have to wait around for dilation of the cervix, you open up and take out and it eliminates much guess work for docs. the problem is that like all major surgeries there is risk involved, and there can be extremely difficult recoveries for some, it can reduce your ability to have further preg's, and it can be emotionally difficult for mom afterwards. (would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
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What you said above was basically what the whole movie was about. Everything from what a real birth looks like (they showed 2 homebirths, 1 water birth and one squatting on the floor and one or 2 natural hospital births) to what you said about c-sections.
 
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Keepercjr

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

i am dying to see it. i don't think that home births are a great thing in all cases (at least for cfers)-in this world, if something did go wrong and you didn't make it to the hosp, i couldn't live with that knowledge, wondering, what if?....</end quote></div>

Christian
After experiencing my birth with Logan, I realized that there was nothing about my CF that made me high risk for birth itself - my asthma didn't flare, I didn't cough my head off, I didn't cough up blood, etc. After his birth, I still figured any other children I have would be born in the hospital due to me having CF. But then I started thinking - what exactly would the CF cause that would make a hospital birth <i>necessary for me</i>? I couldn't come up with one thing at all! Of course if I were in the middle of an exacerbation or something like that I would do the hospital route but this is something that my midwife and I have discussed. It isn't homebirth at all costs, it is homebirth as long as I remain healthy and don't develop any complications. Should a complication arise during labor or delivery, my midwife and I will discuss my options and I will listen to her if she says it is time to transfer to a hospital. I don't for one second think that anybody else should have a homebirth. That is up to each individual woman to decide.


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>birth has been distorted to be a medical condition-not a natural part of life that a woman's body was made to be able to do.

for ladies who have never given birth or haven't seen a live birth, it is not at all what the media has portrayed.

birth isn't a screaming nutso red faced woman...it is very calm, albeit intense, but a controlled peaceful experience.



to say this isn't knocking anyone who had to have a c sec or who chose a c sec. its simply this:

a c sec is a major surgery. (anytime u are cutting such a major muscle group near vital organs, it is a major surgery) that being said, isn't it wrong for doctors to push uneccesary c sec's on women that are capable of giving birth vaignally as nature intended? i think most people would agree that 'nature' intended for babies to come out vaginally...duh.

sometimes we must intervene in nature to save lives of mom and baby. my doula said it this way-a c sec is an amazing life saving surgery-when done only to save a life. not done to make a birth convenient, or a controlled situation for a doctor.

c sec's are easier in some ways for docs bc vaginal birth can take many different roads, can stall and be unexpected. for c sec's, you schedule it (usually), the doc doesn't have to wait around for dilation of the cervix, you open up and take out and it eliminates much guess work for docs. the problem is that like all major surgeries there is risk involved, and there can be extremely difficult recoveries for some, it can reduce your ability to have further preg's, and it can be emotionally difficult for mom afterwards. (would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
</end quote></div>

What you said above was basically what the whole movie was about. Everything from what a real birth looks like (they showed 2 homebirths, 1 water birth and one squatting on the floor and one or 2 natural hospital births) to what you said about c-sections.
 
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Keepercjr

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

i am dying to see it. i don't think that home births are a great thing in all cases (at least for cfers)-in this world, if something did go wrong and you didn't make it to the hosp, i couldn't live with that knowledge, wondering, what if?....</end quote></div>

Christian
After experiencing my birth with Logan, I realized that there was nothing about my CF that made me high risk for birth itself - my asthma didn't flare, I didn't cough my head off, I didn't cough up blood, etc. After his birth, I still figured any other children I have would be born in the hospital due to me having CF. But then I started thinking - what exactly would the CF cause that would make a hospital birth <i>necessary for me</i>? I couldn't come up with one thing at all! Of course if I were in the middle of an exacerbation or something like that I would do the hospital route but this is something that my midwife and I have discussed. It isn't homebirth at all costs, it is homebirth as long as I remain healthy and don't develop any complications. Should a complication arise during labor or delivery, my midwife and I will discuss my options and I will listen to her if she says it is time to transfer to a hospital. I don't for one second think that anybody else should have a homebirth. That is up to each individual woman to decide.


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>birth has been distorted to be a medical condition-not a natural part of life that a woman's body was made to be able to do.

for ladies who have never given birth or haven't seen a live birth, it is not at all what the media has portrayed.

birth isn't a screaming nutso red faced woman...it is very calm, albeit intense, but a controlled peaceful experience.



to say this isn't knocking anyone who had to have a c sec or who chose a c sec. its simply this:

a c sec is a major surgery. (anytime u are cutting such a major muscle group near vital organs, it is a major surgery) that being said, isn't it wrong for doctors to push uneccesary c sec's on women that are capable of giving birth vaignally as nature intended? i think most people would agree that 'nature' intended for babies to come out vaginally...duh.

sometimes we must intervene in nature to save lives of mom and baby. my doula said it this way-a c sec is an amazing life saving surgery-when done only to save a life. not done to make a birth convenient, or a controlled situation for a doctor.

c sec's are easier in some ways for docs bc vaginal birth can take many different roads, can stall and be unexpected. for c sec's, you schedule it (usually), the doc doesn't have to wait around for dilation of the cervix, you open up and take out and it eliminates much guess work for docs. the problem is that like all major surgeries there is risk involved, and there can be extremely difficult recoveries for some, it can reduce your ability to have further preg's, and it can be emotionally difficult for mom afterwards. (would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
</end quote></div>

What you said above was basically what the whole movie was about. Everything from what a real birth looks like (they showed 2 homebirths, 1 water birth and one squatting on the floor and one or 2 natural hospital births) to what you said about c-sections.
 
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Keepercjr

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

i am dying to see it. i don't think that home births are a great thing in all cases (at least for cfers)-in this world, if something did go wrong and you didn't make it to the hosp, i couldn't live with that knowledge, wondering, what if?....</end quote>

Christian
After experiencing my birth with Logan, I realized that there was nothing about my CF that made me high risk for birth itself - my asthma didn't flare, I didn't cough my head off, I didn't cough up blood, etc. After his birth, I still figured any other children I have would be born in the hospital due to me having CF. But then I started thinking - what exactly would the CF cause that would make a hospital birth <i>necessary for me</i>? I couldn't come up with one thing at all! Of course if I were in the middle of an exacerbation or something like that I would do the hospital route but this is something that my midwife and I have discussed. It isn't homebirth at all costs, it is homebirth as long as I remain healthy and don't develop any complications. Should a complication arise during labor or delivery, my midwife and I will discuss my options and I will listen to her if she says it is time to transfer to a hospital. I don't for one second think that anybody else should have a homebirth. That is up to each individual woman to decide.


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>birth has been distorted to be a medical condition-not a natural part of life that a woman's body was made to be able to do.

for ladies who have never given birth or haven't seen a live birth, it is not at all what the media has portrayed.

birth isn't a screaming nutso red faced woman...it is very calm, albeit intense, but a controlled peaceful experience.



to say this isn't knocking anyone who had to have a c sec or who chose a c sec. its simply this:

a c sec is a major surgery. (anytime u are cutting such a major muscle group near vital organs, it is a major surgery) that being said, isn't it wrong for doctors to push uneccesary c sec's on women that are capable of giving birth vaignally as nature intended? i think most people would agree that 'nature' intended for babies to come out vaginally...duh.

sometimes we must intervene in nature to save lives of mom and baby. my doula said it this way-a c sec is an amazing life saving surgery-when done only to save a life. not done to make a birth convenient, or a controlled situation for a doctor.

c sec's are easier in some ways for docs bc vaginal birth can take many different roads, can stall and be unexpected. for c sec's, you schedule it (usually), the doc doesn't have to wait around for dilation of the cervix, you open up and take out and it eliminates much guess work for docs. the problem is that like all major surgeries there is risk involved, and there can be extremely difficult recoveries for some, it can reduce your ability to have further preg's, and it can be emotionally difficult for mom afterwards. (would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
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What you said above was basically what the whole movie was about. Everything from what a real birth looks like (they showed 2 homebirths, 1 water birth and one squatting on the floor and one or 2 natural hospital births) to what you said about c-sections.
 
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Keepercjr

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>
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<br />i am dying to see it. i don't think that home births are a great thing in all cases (at least for cfers)-in this world, if something did go wrong and you didn't make it to the hosp, i couldn't live with that knowledge, wondering, what if?....</end quote>
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<br />Christian
<br />After experiencing my birth with Logan, I realized that there was nothing about my CF that made me high risk for birth itself - my asthma didn't flare, I didn't cough my head off, I didn't cough up blood, etc. After his birth, I still figured any other children I have would be born in the hospital due to me having CF. But then I started thinking - what exactly would the CF cause that would make a hospital birth <i>necessary for me</i>? I couldn't come up with one thing at all! Of course if I were in the middle of an exacerbation or something like that I would do the hospital route but this is something that my midwife and I have discussed. It isn't homebirth at all costs, it is homebirth as long as I remain healthy and don't develop any complications. Should a complication arise during labor or delivery, my midwife and I will discuss my options and I will listen to her if she says it is time to transfer to a hospital. I don't for one second think that anybody else should have a homebirth. That is up to each individual woman to decide.
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<br /><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>birth has been distorted to be a medical condition-not a natural part of life that a woman's body was made to be able to do.
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<br />for ladies who have never given birth or haven't seen a live birth, it is not at all what the media has portrayed.
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<br />birth isn't a screaming nutso red faced woman...it is very calm, albeit intense, but a controlled peaceful experience.
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<br />to say this isn't knocking anyone who had to have a c sec or who chose a c sec. its simply this:
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<br />a c sec is a major surgery. (anytime u are cutting such a major muscle group near vital organs, it is a major surgery) that being said, isn't it wrong for doctors to push uneccesary c sec's on women that are capable of giving birth vaignally as nature intended? i think most people would agree that 'nature' intended for babies to come out vaginally...duh.
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<br />sometimes we must intervene in nature to save lives of mom and baby. my doula said it this way-a c sec is an amazing life saving surgery-when done only to save a life. not done to make a birth convenient, or a controlled situation for a doctor.
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<br />c sec's are easier in some ways for docs bc vaginal birth can take many different roads, can stall and be unexpected. for c sec's, you schedule it (usually), the doc doesn't have to wait around for dilation of the cervix, you open up and take out and it eliminates much guess work for docs. the problem is that like all major surgeries there is risk involved, and there can be extremely difficult recoveries for some, it can reduce your ability to have further preg's, and it can be emotionally difficult for mom afterwards. (would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
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<br />What you said above was basically what the whole movie was about. Everything from what a real birth looks like (they showed 2 homebirths, 1 water birth and one squatting on the floor and one or 2 natural hospital births) to what you said about c-sections.
 

tara

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
</end quote></div>

I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).
 

tara

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
</end quote></div>

I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).
 

tara

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
</end quote></div>

I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).
 

tara

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
</end quote>

I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).
 

tara

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>
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<br /> (would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
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<br />I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).
 

wanderlost

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>tara</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>



(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)

</end quote></div>



I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).</end quote></div>


I think you missed what she was saying. That the choice of c/s was yours, but to have that pushed by a doctor for no reason except convenience is something different. Your choice was yours and I don't think anyone here is trying to make light of it, but I do think that for the most part we don't agree with it - for ourselves, not in judgement of your choie. In the end, the way you birth makes no difference in what kind of mother you have become, and I think we all realize that. You view medical advancemetns like the ability to do c/s as progression - I do too in an emergency situation, but otherwise I don 't agree with bypassing what nature intended ( for the most part - clearly nature intends for CF to kill me, and I am trying to bypass that for a while)- and i live most of my life in that matter, so (for me), birth was just one more way to act with nature rather than against it. I say, to each his own. I hope you're not feeling attacked or judged for your choice, but in light of this movie it is hard to not get into the c/s - elective or medically unnec. debate.
 

wanderlost

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>tara</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>



(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)

</end quote></div>



I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).</end quote></div>


I think you missed what she was saying. That the choice of c/s was yours, but to have that pushed by a doctor for no reason except convenience is something different. Your choice was yours and I don't think anyone here is trying to make light of it, but I do think that for the most part we don't agree with it - for ourselves, not in judgement of your choie. In the end, the way you birth makes no difference in what kind of mother you have become, and I think we all realize that. You view medical advancemetns like the ability to do c/s as progression - I do too in an emergency situation, but otherwise I don 't agree with bypassing what nature intended ( for the most part - clearly nature intends for CF to kill me, and I am trying to bypass that for a while)- and i live most of my life in that matter, so (for me), birth was just one more way to act with nature rather than against it. I say, to each his own. I hope you're not feeling attacked or judged for your choice, but in light of this movie it is hard to not get into the c/s - elective or medically unnec. debate.
 

wanderlost

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>tara</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>



(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)

</end quote></div>



I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).</end quote></div>


I think you missed what she was saying. That the choice of c/s was yours, but to have that pushed by a doctor for no reason except convenience is something different. Your choice was yours and I don't think anyone here is trying to make light of it, but I do think that for the most part we don't agree with it - for ourselves, not in judgement of your choie. In the end, the way you birth makes no difference in what kind of mother you have become, and I think we all realize that. You view medical advancemetns like the ability to do c/s as progression - I do too in an emergency situation, but otherwise I don 't agree with bypassing what nature intended ( for the most part - clearly nature intends for CF to kill me, and I am trying to bypass that for a while)- and i live most of my life in that matter, so (for me), birth was just one more way to act with nature rather than against it. I say, to each his own. I hope you're not feeling attacked or judged for your choice, but in light of this movie it is hard to not get into the c/s - elective or medically unnec. debate.
 

wanderlost

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>tara</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>



(would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)

</end quote>



I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).</end quote>


I think you missed what she was saying. That the choice of c/s was yours, but to have that pushed by a doctor for no reason except convenience is something different. Your choice was yours and I don't think anyone here is trying to make light of it, but I do think that for the most part we don't agree with it - for ourselves, not in judgement of your choie. In the end, the way you birth makes no difference in what kind of mother you have become, and I think we all realize that. You view medical advancemetns like the ability to do c/s as progression - I do too in an emergency situation, but otherwise I don 't agree with bypassing what nature intended ( for the most part - clearly nature intends for CF to kill me, and I am trying to bypass that for a while)- and i live most of my life in that matter, so (for me), birth was just one more way to act with nature rather than against it. I say, to each his own. I hope you're not feeling attacked or judged for your choice, but in light of this movie it is hard to not get into the c/s - elective or medically unnec. debate.
 

wanderlost

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>tara</b></i>
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<br /><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>
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<br /> (would someone chose to have a huge surgery if they didn't need it....of course not.)
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<br />I want to point out that this is where you are wrong Christian. Some women do choose elective surgery. (I'm not talking about the women that are bullied/scared into it.) Some women (myself included) feel that surgery (even a c-section) is a choice of convenience and should/can be utilized. *gasp!* I happen to view medical advances (surgery) as an option to bypass what nature intended (labor).</end quote>
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<br />I think you missed what she was saying. That the choice of c/s was yours, but to have that pushed by a doctor for no reason except convenience is something different. Your choice was yours and I don't think anyone here is trying to make light of it, but I do think that for the most part we don't agree with it - for ourselves, not in judgement of your choie. In the end, the way you birth makes no difference in what kind of mother you have become, and I think we all realize that. You view medical advancemetns like the ability to do c/s as progression - I do too in an emergency situation, but otherwise I don 't agree with bypassing what nature intended ( for the most part - clearly nature intends for CF to kill me, and I am trying to bypass that for a while)- and i live most of my life in that matter, so (for me), birth was just one more way to act with nature rather than against it. I say, to each his own. I hope you're not feeling attacked or judged for your choice, but in light of this movie it is hard to not get into the c/s - elective or medically unnec. debate.
 
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