Mockingbird
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Explain to me how that is egotistical. Further, Jesus said stuff like that to people all the time e.g. John 8:12-30.
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Mockingbird
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Explain to me how that is egotistical. Further, Jesus said stuff like that to people all the time e.g. John 8:12-30.
Mockingbird
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Explain to me how that is egotistical. Further, Jesus said stuff like that to people all the time e.g. John 8:12-30.
Mockingbird
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Explain to me how that is egotistical. Further, Jesus said stuff like that to people all the time e.g. John 8:12-30.
Mockingbird
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Explain to me how that is egotistical. Further, Jesus said stuff like that to people all the time e.g. John 8:12-30.
coltsfan715
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I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
coltsfan715
New member
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
coltsfan715
New member
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
coltsfan715
New member
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
coltsfan715
New member
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds
Mockingbird- This forum wouldn't let me quote you directly, I don't know why. But what I mean by egotistical is that is a somewhat selfish comment. You said it yourself, that if you wanted to know why my mother believes, you would ask her; translation= you could care less. Besides egotistical, I happen to think that statement was mighty audacious Assuming that my mother knows more than me. Mockingbird, you don't even know me or my mother. Just because I see the glass half full and you see it half empty, does that entail that I'm ignorant? Geese, different strokes for different folks.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Mockingbird- This forum wouldn't let me quote you directly, I don't know why. But what I mean by egotistical is that is a somewhat selfish comment. You said it yourself, that if you wanted to know why my mother believes, you would ask her; translation= you could care less. Besides egotistical, I happen to think that statement was mighty audacious Assuming that my mother knows more than me. Mockingbird, you don't even know me or my mother. Just because I see the glass half full and you see it half empty, does that entail that I'm ignorant? Geese, different strokes for different folks.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Mockingbird- This forum wouldn't let me quote you directly, I don't know why. But what I mean by egotistical is that is a somewhat selfish comment. You said it yourself, that if you wanted to know why my mother believes, you would ask her; translation= you could care less. Besides egotistical, I happen to think that statement was mighty audacious Assuming that my mother knows more than me. Mockingbird, you don't even know me or my mother. Just because I see the glass half full and you see it half empty, does that entail that I'm ignorant? Geese, different strokes for different folks.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Mockingbird- This forum wouldn't let me quote you directly, I don't know why. But what I mean by egotistical is that is a somewhat selfish comment. You said it yourself, that if you wanted to know why my mother believes, you would ask her; translation= you could care less. Besides egotistical, I happen to think that statement was mighty audacious Assuming that my mother knows more than me. Mockingbird, you don't even know me or my mother. Just because I see the glass half full and you see it half empty, does that entail that I'm ignorant? Geese, different strokes for different folks.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Mockingbird- This forum wouldn't let me quote you directly, I don't know why. But what I mean by egotistical is that is a somewhat selfish comment. You said it yourself, that if you wanted to know why my mother believes, you would ask her; translation= you could care less. Besides egotistical, I happen to think that statement was mighty audacious Assuming that my mother knows more than me. Mockingbird, you don't even know me or my mother. Just because I see the glass half full and you see it half empty, does that entail that I'm ignorant? Geese, different strokes for different folks.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
Yes Jesus did say stuff like that, so, coyotes are people too. What does that prove? Jesus also called his disciples "dull", cursed out a fig tree, threw a hissy fit on some tables, well I would provide the verses, but I'm ASSUMING you can find them yourself.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>coltsfan715</b></i>
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote></div>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote></div>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>coltsfan715</b></i>
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote></div>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote></div>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>coltsfan715</b></i>
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote></div>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote></div>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>coltsfan715</b></i>
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>coltsfan715</b></i>
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
I am by no means a devout anything. I consider myself spiritual and I DO believe in God. I just have to step in and side with Mockingbird on this because quite honestly your comments are more confrontational and argumentative than debative Solo.
I have often wondered why on Earth things happen and I completely believe that CF is a cruel disease in the way it slowly robs "youth" of their lives. Not that it would make it any better if the person were elderly, but I could rationalize in my head that they had a good long life before having the struggles. But that is semi off topic.
I look at things and I think that though I may want one thing it may not be the best for me. Like when I was in high school I wanted to go out with friends and my mother wouldn't let me - I fought and argued and stamped my feet like a 2 year old cause I didn't get it. They got in an accident and one of them was seriously injured (she lived but she was hurt badly). I would have been with them if not for my mother. I fought it at the time but just hugged her afterwards.
Sometimes there are things not in our sight that can cause a decision to be made. I also do not think that God is cruel for having a disease with no cure. I think we chose this in a round about way - well "Adam and Eve" did at least. There was the chance to have a perfect world and a perfect life - but being human and ignorant Adam and Eve thought they knew best. They took it upon themselves to make choices against God. So God gave them that right forever. It is the decisions that have been made by our ancestors - though seemingly harmless at the time probably - that have led us down this road.
What kind of lesson would it be to give us the right to free will and to live out lives the way we choose if everytime we screw up or something bad happens God steps in and makes it okay. Just like raising a kid - what would the child learn if the parent was always stepping in and taking the blame away or taking the hardship away. There comes a time when a person has to accept what is in their life and move past it learn from it grow from it. If we are never made to do tat how will we learn anything.
I am sure I will get the brunt of Solo's attitude now - but I truly do not care. I believe that everything I have had to deal with though completely unpleasant at times - has brought me to where I am and given me a better understanding of my life as a whole. I have a greater appreciation for things that I would not have if I was in another's shoes - another person that had no problems to deal with. Yes there are times I pray to God for a cure. For me that isn't such an urgent request now post transplant, but I still wish it for others.
Basically faith is faith and what each person believes is up to them. Initially I clung to faith as a way to rationalize what I was going through it kept me sane. To feel that the things happening to me were happening for a reason. Now I don't cling to my faith for that reason. I rest comfortably in my faith for what my life is and what it has given to me and taught me.
Being that religion or God is not something that can be shown to a persons naked eye - as in oh look there is God and Jesus over there. It will always be a source of argument between Agnostics and Atheists and Believers of any religion.
Something I did always find entertaining about atheists - as I dated one for a while - was that my ex at least claimed to not believe in God. Yet all -ALL- of his arguments centered around God. To me if you don't believe in God or Jesus then there is no argument at all - it would end immediately because you would have nothing to say other than there is no such thing. Yet my ex would carry on and on over things about God and trying to disprove and make me a non-believer. You may not believe in such a thing as God but you sure devote alot of time to thinking about him and his existance in order to negate another person's beliefs. I hold God in my heart but probably don't spend nearly as much time thinking about his existance as you because to me there is no question he is there.
Take Care
Linds</end quote>
Linds,
The only reason my comments seem more argumentative is because most people are on the defensive. You can't possibly protest faith and NOT sound argumentative, unless all that you said is "I don't believe in God." The reason why I debate God with such a passion is because of the Christian majority claiming it exists and pushing that belief down my throat. "In God we trust" on money, bibles in every hotel room, you must swear on a bible in court, and especially, legislating religion. "God is on our side." That's utterly ridiculous. If almost everyone where atheist, religion would never even be an issue. As soon as people start waging war in the name of Spiderman, I'll start obssessing over him too.
You're absolutely right about God is not something that can be shown to a person's naked eye. You cannot convince an adult of sound mind that something exists if you cannot produce it in front of you. And it is about faith, but faith is the absence of facts, for if it was factual, no faith would be needed.
I'm just clearing the air, as you were quick to jump to Mockingbird's side, making me seem like the bad guy. This is a public internet forum, and anyone and everyone can read this. You make me seem like I'm a bully looking for a fight or something. It's like I'm in the 19th century and say the earth isn't flat so I'm the bad guy.
Cheers and have a nice day.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">