co-sleeping issues

LouLou

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Shannon, Your friend may have read an old addition of the book or is mistaken because when I read it it discussed everything in terms of crib sleeping or family bed (same as co-sleeping I think). I remember being very impressed with how he walked the tightrope to appeal and work for both sides.

Why not get it and give it a skim...there might be a few tips that could help your situation. Sleep is critical for cf families...well I guess all families but I think especially for cf families.
 

LouLou

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Shannon, Your friend may have read an old addition of the book or is mistaken because when I read it it discussed everything in terms of crib sleeping or family bed (same as co-sleeping I think). I remember being very impressed with how he walked the tightrope to appeal and work for both sides.

Why not get it and give it a skim...there might be a few tips that could help your situation. Sleep is critical for cf families...well I guess all families but I think especially for cf families.
 

LouLou

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Shannon, Your friend may have read an old addition of the book or is mistaken because when I read it it discussed everything in terms of crib sleeping or family bed (same as co-sleeping I think). I remember being very impressed with how he walked the tightrope to appeal and work for both sides.

Why not get it and give it a skim...there might be a few tips that could help your situation. Sleep is critical for cf families...well I guess all families but I think especially for cf families.
 

LouLou

New member
Shannon, Your friend may have read an old addition of the book or is mistaken because when I read it it discussed everything in terms of crib sleeping or family bed (same as co-sleeping I think). I remember being very impressed with how he walked the tightrope to appeal and work for both sides.

Why not get it and give it a skim...there might be a few tips that could help your situation. Sleep is critical for cf families...well I guess all families but I think especially for cf families.
 

LouLou

New member
Shannon, Your friend may have read an old addition of the book or is mistaken because when I read it it discussed everything in terms of crib sleeping or family bed (same as co-sleeping I think). I remember being very impressed with how he walked the tightrope to appeal and work for both sides.

Why not get it and give it a skim...there might be a few tips that could help your situation. Sleep is critical for cf families...well I guess all families but I think especially for cf families.
 
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Keepercjr

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Lauren

I have not read the book but I do know some of what he recommends. I have heard from many sources that the sleep information is good. But the fact that he recommends extinction cry it out really bothers me. Leaving an infant to cry, even for short periods of a few minutes, increases cortisol levels, increase in heart rate and increase in blood pressure. Last semester I took a graduate class on stress physiology (basically how stress - enviromental, illness, mental, etc- affects animals and humans) and did a lot of reading on the subject and wrote my paper on stress in pregnancy and its effects on the pregnancy itself and the effects lasting through infancy and beyond. There is evidence to support that increased levels of cortisol can cause permanent changes in the stress response of the developing brain. The possibility of broken trust really doesn't sit well with me either. Saying there is "no evidence of harm" does not equal "evidence of no harm" and knowing what I know about stress physiology now I wouldn't say there is evidence of no harm. And there is a biological reason it is so hard for a mother to hear her baby cry - we shouldn't suppress our instincts.

Now, saying all that I said above, each family has to do what they feel is best. Because I fundamentally disagree with cry it out (and don't believe it is harmless) doesn't really mean anything except I'll never recommend it and I'll never do it.


Wanderlost - I have heard of good successes with the Jay Gordon method. I don't believe a baby crying in your arms is even remotely close to CIO. My SIL was able to night wean my nephew while they coslept - every time he woke to nurse she would first try patting or having her DH deal with him. If he got too upset she would nurse him. Eventually he stopped asking at night (this was around the age of 18 months though developmentally he was a bit younger). I can sometimes put Logan off at night by patting or laying my arm on him since he never really wakes up. When he was 2 I started turning away from him and that cut down the nursing as well since he couldn't smell it.

Last thoughts - I saw Dr Ferber on TV about 2 years ago promoting his new book. He expressed deep regret that so many parents bought into the idea of "Ferberizing" and that he never intended to have babies left alone to cry. His "method" was on a possible solution for certain situations. He also wished he had never put down the family bed because he now believes it is an appropriate solution for many families. I still don't agree with his methods but I thought that was big of him to admit what he did.
 
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Keepercjr

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Lauren

I have not read the book but I do know some of what he recommends. I have heard from many sources that the sleep information is good. But the fact that he recommends extinction cry it out really bothers me. Leaving an infant to cry, even for short periods of a few minutes, increases cortisol levels, increase in heart rate and increase in blood pressure. Last semester I took a graduate class on stress physiology (basically how stress - enviromental, illness, mental, etc- affects animals and humans) and did a lot of reading on the subject and wrote my paper on stress in pregnancy and its effects on the pregnancy itself and the effects lasting through infancy and beyond. There is evidence to support that increased levels of cortisol can cause permanent changes in the stress response of the developing brain. The possibility of broken trust really doesn't sit well with me either. Saying there is "no evidence of harm" does not equal "evidence of no harm" and knowing what I know about stress physiology now I wouldn't say there is evidence of no harm. And there is a biological reason it is so hard for a mother to hear her baby cry - we shouldn't suppress our instincts.

Now, saying all that I said above, each family has to do what they feel is best. Because I fundamentally disagree with cry it out (and don't believe it is harmless) doesn't really mean anything except I'll never recommend it and I'll never do it.


Wanderlost - I have heard of good successes with the Jay Gordon method. I don't believe a baby crying in your arms is even remotely close to CIO. My SIL was able to night wean my nephew while they coslept - every time he woke to nurse she would first try patting or having her DH deal with him. If he got too upset she would nurse him. Eventually he stopped asking at night (this was around the age of 18 months though developmentally he was a bit younger). I can sometimes put Logan off at night by patting or laying my arm on him since he never really wakes up. When he was 2 I started turning away from him and that cut down the nursing as well since he couldn't smell it.

Last thoughts - I saw Dr Ferber on TV about 2 years ago promoting his new book. He expressed deep regret that so many parents bought into the idea of "Ferberizing" and that he never intended to have babies left alone to cry. His "method" was on a possible solution for certain situations. He also wished he had never put down the family bed because he now believes it is an appropriate solution for many families. I still don't agree with his methods but I thought that was big of him to admit what he did.
 
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Keepercjr

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Lauren

I have not read the book but I do know some of what he recommends. I have heard from many sources that the sleep information is good. But the fact that he recommends extinction cry it out really bothers me. Leaving an infant to cry, even for short periods of a few minutes, increases cortisol levels, increase in heart rate and increase in blood pressure. Last semester I took a graduate class on stress physiology (basically how stress - enviromental, illness, mental, etc- affects animals and humans) and did a lot of reading on the subject and wrote my paper on stress in pregnancy and its effects on the pregnancy itself and the effects lasting through infancy and beyond. There is evidence to support that increased levels of cortisol can cause permanent changes in the stress response of the developing brain. The possibility of broken trust really doesn't sit well with me either. Saying there is "no evidence of harm" does not equal "evidence of no harm" and knowing what I know about stress physiology now I wouldn't say there is evidence of no harm. And there is a biological reason it is so hard for a mother to hear her baby cry - we shouldn't suppress our instincts.

Now, saying all that I said above, each family has to do what they feel is best. Because I fundamentally disagree with cry it out (and don't believe it is harmless) doesn't really mean anything except I'll never recommend it and I'll never do it.


Wanderlost - I have heard of good successes with the Jay Gordon method. I don't believe a baby crying in your arms is even remotely close to CIO. My SIL was able to night wean my nephew while they coslept - every time he woke to nurse she would first try patting or having her DH deal with him. If he got too upset she would nurse him. Eventually he stopped asking at night (this was around the age of 18 months though developmentally he was a bit younger). I can sometimes put Logan off at night by patting or laying my arm on him since he never really wakes up. When he was 2 I started turning away from him and that cut down the nursing as well since he couldn't smell it.

Last thoughts - I saw Dr Ferber on TV about 2 years ago promoting his new book. He expressed deep regret that so many parents bought into the idea of "Ferberizing" and that he never intended to have babies left alone to cry. His "method" was on a possible solution for certain situations. He also wished he had never put down the family bed because he now believes it is an appropriate solution for many families. I still don't agree with his methods but I thought that was big of him to admit what he did.
 
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Keepercjr

Guest
Lauren

I have not read the book but I do know some of what he recommends. I have heard from many sources that the sleep information is good. But the fact that he recommends extinction cry it out really bothers me. Leaving an infant to cry, even for short periods of a few minutes, increases cortisol levels, increase in heart rate and increase in blood pressure. Last semester I took a graduate class on stress physiology (basically how stress - enviromental, illness, mental, etc- affects animals and humans) and did a lot of reading on the subject and wrote my paper on stress in pregnancy and its effects on the pregnancy itself and the effects lasting through infancy and beyond. There is evidence to support that increased levels of cortisol can cause permanent changes in the stress response of the developing brain. The possibility of broken trust really doesn't sit well with me either. Saying there is "no evidence of harm" does not equal "evidence of no harm" and knowing what I know about stress physiology now I wouldn't say there is evidence of no harm. And there is a biological reason it is so hard for a mother to hear her baby cry - we shouldn't suppress our instincts.

Now, saying all that I said above, each family has to do what they feel is best. Because I fundamentally disagree with cry it out (and don't believe it is harmless) doesn't really mean anything except I'll never recommend it and I'll never do it.


Wanderlost - I have heard of good successes with the Jay Gordon method. I don't believe a baby crying in your arms is even remotely close to CIO. My SIL was able to night wean my nephew while they coslept - every time he woke to nurse she would first try patting or having her DH deal with him. If he got too upset she would nurse him. Eventually he stopped asking at night (this was around the age of 18 months though developmentally he was a bit younger). I can sometimes put Logan off at night by patting or laying my arm on him since he never really wakes up. When he was 2 I started turning away from him and that cut down the nursing as well since he couldn't smell it.

Last thoughts - I saw Dr Ferber on TV about 2 years ago promoting his new book. He expressed deep regret that so many parents bought into the idea of "Ferberizing" and that he never intended to have babies left alone to cry. His "method" was on a possible solution for certain situations. He also wished he had never put down the family bed because he now believes it is an appropriate solution for many families. I still don't agree with his methods but I thought that was big of him to admit what he did.
 
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Keepercjr

Guest
Lauren

I have not read the book but I do know some of what he recommends. I have heard from many sources that the sleep information is good. But the fact that he recommends extinction cry it out really bothers me. Leaving an infant to cry, even for short periods of a few minutes, increases cortisol levels, increase in heart rate and increase in blood pressure. Last semester I took a graduate class on stress physiology (basically how stress - enviromental, illness, mental, etc- affects animals and humans) and did a lot of reading on the subject and wrote my paper on stress in pregnancy and its effects on the pregnancy itself and the effects lasting through infancy and beyond. There is evidence to support that increased levels of cortisol can cause permanent changes in the stress response of the developing brain. The possibility of broken trust really doesn't sit well with me either. Saying there is "no evidence of harm" does not equal "evidence of no harm" and knowing what I know about stress physiology now I wouldn't say there is evidence of no harm. And there is a biological reason it is so hard for a mother to hear her baby cry - we shouldn't suppress our instincts.

Now, saying all that I said above, each family has to do what they feel is best. Because I fundamentally disagree with cry it out (and don't believe it is harmless) doesn't really mean anything except I'll never recommend it and I'll never do it.


Wanderlost - I have heard of good successes with the Jay Gordon method. I don't believe a baby crying in your arms is even remotely close to CIO. My SIL was able to night wean my nephew while they coslept - every time he woke to nurse she would first try patting or having her DH deal with him. If he got too upset she would nurse him. Eventually he stopped asking at night (this was around the age of 18 months though developmentally he was a bit younger). I can sometimes put Logan off at night by patting or laying my arm on him since he never really wakes up. When he was 2 I started turning away from him and that cut down the nursing as well since he couldn't smell it.

Last thoughts - I saw Dr Ferber on TV about 2 years ago promoting his new book. He expressed deep regret that so many parents bought into the idea of "Ferberizing" and that he never intended to have babies left alone to cry. His "method" was on a possible solution for certain situations. He also wished he had never put down the family bed because he now believes it is an appropriate solution for many families. I still don't agree with his methods but I thought that was big of him to admit what he did.
 
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hopesiris

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Lauren,

I understand that you have to do whatever you can to keep your little one from suffering. Sometimes there is no good, painless solution. If crying now delays the onset of CF illness, then it is merciful. The suffering CF eventually produces is *far worse* than any crying fit.

I am probably the ONLY 36 year old with lung involvement but no lung damage on this site from what I can see. Sleep is and has been top on my list of priorities for years now and may partially explain my unusually good health status.

My mother raised me to sleep alone and with no help (fans, music). She put room darkening shades over my windows and told me as an adult that she feels music and white noise make it difficult for you to sleep away from home since you can't always reproduce that environment. I think she has a good point and it applies well to someone who has health problems but will live long and enjoy travel in adulthood. And she didn't even know I have CF! I never attached to her properly but I think that had a lot to do with our overall relationship rather than where I slept.

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hopesiris

Guest
Lauren,

I understand that you have to do whatever you can to keep your little one from suffering. Sometimes there is no good, painless solution. If crying now delays the onset of CF illness, then it is merciful. The suffering CF eventually produces is *far worse* than any crying fit.

I am probably the ONLY 36 year old with lung involvement but no lung damage on this site from what I can see. Sleep is and has been top on my list of priorities for years now and may partially explain my unusually good health status.

My mother raised me to sleep alone and with no help (fans, music). She put room darkening shades over my windows and told me as an adult that she feels music and white noise make it difficult for you to sleep away from home since you can't always reproduce that environment. I think she has a good point and it applies well to someone who has health problems but will live long and enjoy travel in adulthood. And she didn't even know I have CF! I never attached to her properly but I think that had a lot to do with our overall relationship rather than where I slept.

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hopesiris

Guest
Lauren,

I understand that you have to do whatever you can to keep your little one from suffering. Sometimes there is no good, painless solution. If crying now delays the onset of CF illness, then it is merciful. The suffering CF eventually produces is *far worse* than any crying fit.

I am probably the ONLY 36 year old with lung involvement but no lung damage on this site from what I can see. Sleep is and has been top on my list of priorities for years now and may partially explain my unusually good health status.

My mother raised me to sleep alone and with no help (fans, music). She put room darkening shades over my windows and told me as an adult that she feels music and white noise make it difficult for you to sleep away from home since you can't always reproduce that environment. I think she has a good point and it applies well to someone who has health problems but will live long and enjoy travel in adulthood. And she didn't even know I have CF! I never attached to her properly but I think that had a lot to do with our overall relationship rather than where I slept.

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hopesiris

Guest
Lauren,

I understand that you have to do whatever you can to keep your little one from suffering. Sometimes there is no good, painless solution. If crying now delays the onset of CF illness, then it is merciful. The suffering CF eventually produces is *far worse* than any crying fit.

I am probably the ONLY 36 year old with lung involvement but no lung damage on this site from what I can see. Sleep is and has been top on my list of priorities for years now and may partially explain my unusually good health status.

My mother raised me to sleep alone and with no help (fans, music). She put room darkening shades over my windows and told me as an adult that she feels music and white noise make it difficult for you to sleep away from home since you can't always reproduce that environment. I think she has a good point and it applies well to someone who has health problems but will live long and enjoy travel in adulthood. And she didn't even know I have CF! I never attached to her properly but I think that had a lot to do with our overall relationship rather than where I slept.

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hopesiris

Guest
Lauren,

I understand that you have to do whatever you can to keep your little one from suffering. Sometimes there is no good, painless solution. If crying now delays the onset of CF illness, then it is merciful. The suffering CF eventually produces is *far worse* than any crying fit.

I am probably the ONLY 36 year old with lung involvement but no lung damage on this site from what I can see. Sleep is and has been top on my list of priorities for years now and may partially explain my unusually good health status.

My mother raised me to sleep alone and with no help (fans, music). She put room darkening shades over my windows and told me as an adult that she feels music and white noise make it difficult for you to sleep away from home since you can't always reproduce that environment. I think she has a good point and it applies well to someone who has health problems but will live long and enjoy travel in adulthood. And she didn't even know I have CF! I never attached to her properly but I think that had a lot to do with our overall relationship rather than where I slept.

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wanderlost

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I know this is a touchy subject. I just got in a huge "debate" about it with my mom. She offered to come over and "break the baby" for me. OMG! She said I "only" cried 2 hours the first night - and 10 the night after that and then - sleep! Well, two hours sounds of crying horrid to me! Anyway, my whole point is I just want to comment how maturely this discussion is being held! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

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I know this is a touchy subject. I just got in a huge "debate" about it with my mom. She offered to come over and "break the baby" for me. OMG! She said I "only" cried 2 hours the first night - and 10 the night after that and then - sleep! Well, two hours sounds of crying horrid to me! Anyway, my whole point is I just want to comment how maturely this discussion is being held! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

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I know this is a touchy subject. I just got in a huge "debate" about it with my mom. She offered to come over and "break the baby" for me. OMG! She said I "only" cried 2 hours the first night - and 10 the night after that and then - sleep! Well, two hours sounds of crying horrid to me! Anyway, my whole point is I just want to comment how maturely this discussion is being held! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

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I know this is a touchy subject. I just got in a huge "debate" about it with my mom. She offered to come over and "break the baby" for me. OMG! She said I "only" cried 2 hours the first night - and 10 the night after that and then - sleep! Well, two hours sounds of crying horrid to me! Anyway, my whole point is I just want to comment how maturely this discussion is being held! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

New member
I know this is a touchy subject. I just got in a huge "debate" about it with my mom. She offered to come over and "break the baby" for me. OMG! She said I "only" cried 2 hours the first night - and 10 the night after that and then - sleep! Well, two hours sounds of crying horrid to me! Anyway, my whole point is I just want to comment how maturely this discussion is being held! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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