Compact Nebulizer?

[Lance2020x]

Well I want a dang eFlow now too!
To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?

I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well I want a dang eFlow now too!
To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?

I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well I want a dang eFlow now too!
To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?

I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well I want a dang eFlow now too!
To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?

I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well I want a dang eFlow now too!
<br />To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?
<br />
<br />I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
<br />ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.

 

[saveferris2009]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lance2020x</b></i>

Well I want a dang eFlow now too! </end quote></div>

You can find out how to get it on my blog if you're interested. It's not very hard at all... A few thousand CFer's in the US have one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?



I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
</end quote></div>

Yup, exact same thing with me. My Ultra lasted 3 years. Got a Ultra II and I'm lucky if it lasts 3-4 months.

Luckily PARI ships brand new ones if it's under 3 years old. But still, I agree, it's a HUGE pain.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.</end quote></div>

Ya the issue there is that the Trek just doesn't create a decent respirable dose for Pulmozyme or TOBI.

The PSI is a bit different than the ProbNeb Ultra or similar compressors.

Think of a respirable dose like a bell curve. You need to have enough of the med in the center of the curve in order to get the proper dose of the med. So you'll be getting a lower dose with pulmozyme, and with an antibiotic, getting a lower dose can actually induce antibiotic resistance faster.

The Trek is a great little device - I wish it worked with our main meds. But that's why I hunted down the eFLow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[saveferris2009]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lance2020x</b></i>

Well I want a dang eFlow now too! </end quote></div>

You can find out how to get it on my blog if you're interested. It's not very hard at all... A few thousand CFer's in the US have one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?



I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
</end quote></div>

Yup, exact same thing with me. My Ultra lasted 3 years. Got a Ultra II and I'm lucky if it lasts 3-4 months.

Luckily PARI ships brand new ones if it's under 3 years old. But still, I agree, it's a HUGE pain.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.</end quote></div>

Ya the issue there is that the Trek just doesn't create a decent respirable dose for Pulmozyme or TOBI.

The PSI is a bit different than the ProbNeb Ultra or similar compressors.

Think of a respirable dose like a bell curve. You need to have enough of the med in the center of the curve in order to get the proper dose of the med. So you'll be getting a lower dose with pulmozyme, and with an antibiotic, getting a lower dose can actually induce antibiotic resistance faster.

The Trek is a great little device - I wish it worked with our main meds. But that's why I hunted down the eFLow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[saveferris2009]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lance2020x</b></i>

Well I want a dang eFlow now too! </end quote></div>

You can find out how to get it on my blog if you're interested. It's not very hard at all... A few thousand CFer's in the US have one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?



I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
</end quote></div>

Yup, exact same thing with me. My Ultra lasted 3 years. Got a Ultra II and I'm lucky if it lasts 3-4 months.

Luckily PARI ships brand new ones if it's under 3 years old. But still, I agree, it's a HUGE pain.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.</end quote></div>

Ya the issue there is that the Trek just doesn't create a decent respirable dose for Pulmozyme or TOBI.

The PSI is a bit different than the ProbNeb Ultra or similar compressors.

Think of a respirable dose like a bell curve. You need to have enough of the med in the center of the curve in order to get the proper dose of the med. So you'll be getting a lower dose with pulmozyme, and with an antibiotic, getting a lower dose can actually induce antibiotic resistance faster.

The Trek is a great little device - I wish it worked with our main meds. But that's why I hunted down the eFLow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[saveferris2009]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lance2020x</b></i>

Well I want a dang eFlow now too! </end quote>

You can find out how to get it on my blog if you're interested. It's not very hard at all... A few thousand CFer's in the US have one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?



I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
</end quote>

Yup, exact same thing with me. My Ultra lasted 3 years. Got a Ultra II and I'm lucky if it lasts 3-4 months.

Luckily PARI ships brand new ones if it's under 3 years old. But still, I agree, it's a HUGE pain.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>
ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.</end quote>

Ya the issue there is that the Trek just doesn't create a decent respirable dose for Pulmozyme or TOBI.

The PSI is a bit different than the ProbNeb Ultra or similar compressors.

Think of a respirable dose like a bell curve. You need to have enough of the med in the center of the curve in order to get the proper dose of the med. So you'll be getting a lower dose with pulmozyme, and with an antibiotic, getting a lower dose can actually induce antibiotic resistance faster.

The Trek is a great little device - I wish it worked with our main meds. But that's why I hunted down the eFLow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[saveferris2009]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lance2020x</b></i>
<br />
<br />Well I want a dang eFlow now too! </end quote>
<br />
<br />You can find out how to get it on my blog if you're interested. It's not very hard at all... A few thousand CFer's in the US have one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
<br />
<br />To change the subject a bit... somebody said they had two ProNeb Ultra's poop out on them. Has anybody noticed a difference in the ProNeb Ultra and the Ultra II?
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />I had a ProNeb Ultra and that thing lasted me 3 years no sweat (and... I'm not incredibly nice to my poor machines). Finally it died, so they gave me an Ultra II, within 6 months it was shot, far worse than my original Ultra.
<br /></end quote>
<br />
<br />Yup, exact same thing with me. My Ultra lasted 3 years. Got a Ultra II and I'm lucky if it lasts 3-4 months.
<br />
<br />Luckily PARI ships brand new ones if it's under 3 years old. But still, I agree, it's a HUGE pain.
<br />
<br /><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>
<br />ALSO, my brother owns a PariTrek and he's had and used it as his MAIN NEBULIZER for years and it's still kicking. It was the original design of the PariTrek, so I don't know if it's just the new (smaller) models that are such crap or what. Now that I think about it he's done Pulmazyme on it too.. I should have him check into the compatibility.</end quote>
<br />
<br />Ya the issue there is that the Trek just doesn't create a decent respirable dose for Pulmozyme or TOBI.
<br />
<br />The PSI is a bit different than the ProbNeb Ultra or similar compressors.
<br />
<br />Think of a respirable dose like a bell curve. You need to have enough of the med in the center of the curve in order to get the proper dose of the med. So you'll be getting a lower dose with pulmozyme, and with an antibiotic, getting a lower dose can actually induce antibiotic resistance faster.
<br />
<br />The Trek is a great little device - I wish it worked with our main meds. But that's why I hunted down the eFLow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
<br />

 

[Lance2020x]

Well that SUCKS. I think that now Medicare gave me the boot and I'm on another healthcare plan (stupid... mother... retarded... grr...) that doesn't know I've already got an Ultra, I'll see if I can get a PariTrek anyway, I can use it just for HyperSol so I can walk while doing it. Plus... it'll be good to cover me for a day or two when my stupid Ultra II goes down again. I hate it when companies update technology, and the upgrade is far worse than the original *coughWINDOWSVISTAcough*
And those can last me until I'm able to get an EFlow. Money is rediculously tight right now but I should have a new work-at-home job in a few months.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well that SUCKS. I think that now Medicare gave me the boot and I'm on another healthcare plan (stupid... mother... retarded... grr...) that doesn't know I've already got an Ultra, I'll see if I can get a PariTrek anyway, I can use it just for HyperSol so I can walk while doing it. Plus... it'll be good to cover me for a day or two when my stupid Ultra II goes down again. I hate it when companies update technology, and the upgrade is far worse than the original *coughWINDOWSVISTAcough*
And those can last me until I'm able to get an EFlow. Money is rediculously tight right now but I should have a new work-at-home job in a few months.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well that SUCKS. I think that now Medicare gave me the boot and I'm on another healthcare plan (stupid... mother... retarded... grr...) that doesn't know I've already got an Ultra, I'll see if I can get a PariTrek anyway, I can use it just for HyperSol so I can walk while doing it. Plus... it'll be good to cover me for a day or two when my stupid Ultra II goes down again. I hate it when companies update technology, and the upgrade is far worse than the original *coughWINDOWSVISTAcough*
And those can last me until I'm able to get an EFlow. Money is rediculously tight right now but I should have a new work-at-home job in a few months.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well that SUCKS. I think that now Medicare gave me the boot and I'm on another healthcare plan (stupid... mother... retarded... grr...) that doesn't know I've already got an Ultra, I'll see if I can get a PariTrek anyway, I can use it just for HyperSol so I can walk while doing it. Plus... it'll be good to cover me for a day or two when my stupid Ultra II goes down again. I hate it when companies update technology, and the upgrade is far worse than the original *coughWINDOWSVISTAcough*
And those can last me until I'm able to get an EFlow. Money is rediculously tight right now but I should have a new work-at-home job in a few months.

 

[Lance2020x]

Well that SUCKS. I think that now Medicare gave me the boot and I'm on another healthcare plan (stupid... mother... retarded... grr...) that doesn't know I've already got an Ultra, I'll see if I can get a PariTrek anyway, I can use it just for HyperSol so I can walk while doing it. Plus... it'll be good to cover me for a day or two when my stupid Ultra II goes down again. I hate it when companies update technology, and the upgrade is far worse than the original *coughWINDOWSVISTAcough*
<br />And those can last me until I'm able to get an EFlow. Money is rediculously tight right now but I should have a new work-at-home job in a few months.

 

[Nightwriter]

While I was gone...

FROM DASJSMUM
From what I understand of the issue, the eflow will not obtain FDA approval unless it is in a clinical trial to support a drug.

NIGHTWRITER'S RESPONSE:
MY POINT EXACTLY. This would have happened had the AZLI trial been successful.

FROM DASJSMUM:
By the way Nightwriter, I have not found Amy's responses rude, but I really feel that yours are. She has not said anything disparaging about you at all, just delivered the facts.

From Nightwriter:
In this case, the statement "The eflow is approved by the FDA" was not a fact. It was "cleared" as I said. The implication in the post also makes it sound like everyone can order one as easily as a $70 Pari off the internet. The fact that over 70,000 people have CF plus more with similar lung diseases and yet only a few HUNDRED have the eflow? Wassup with that?!

The disclaimer is from the FDA and while the eflow may be the greatest device in the world, many doctors will still not prescribe it until there are evidence based/based on clinical efficacy studies in CF patients have been conducted.

These kinds of studies have been done with jet, ultrasonic, pressured meter dose inhalers, but not on softmist vibrating mesh devices.

There is all from a really great article that compares all medical devices where you can see the advantages and disadvantages of all devices. I have to figure out how to post it -- I have it as a PDF.

I want an eflow as a matter of convenience, but there are downsides. I'd try it for daily Hypersal and Chromolyn Sodium. But dosaging is a guess (according to the CF pharmacies that I have spoken to.) My doctor said no to an eflow a few years ago, like so many people's doctors. I don't know if she would reconsider based on too few and small studies. With the compressors/nebs I use now -- I haven't needed TOBI in a few years, when I used to be on it everyday -- is there a risk by switching? Possibly.

As to SF's posts not being rude and mine aren't....Me rude? Never, LOL. But since the two of you think alike and YOU were accused of insensitive remarks in another thread, at least the two of you can be friends.

BTW, all I did was clarify that it was "cleared" which is still correct. And as your own post says it will never receive APPROVAL unless. etc.... then APPROVAL is an option as with the Devilbiss and TOBI in a similar context.

FROM DASJSMUM:
I personally appreciate her and feel that she brings a lot of good info to this forum that would be missed without her here.

FROM NIGHTWRITER
I would not want ANYONE to leave the forum, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. But be rude, mocking, or condescending and I am going to have some fun.

And finally, it would have been nice if I used the "quote feature."

 

[Nightwriter]

While I was gone...

FROM DASJSMUM
From what I understand of the issue, the eflow will not obtain FDA approval unless it is in a clinical trial to support a drug.

NIGHTWRITER'S RESPONSE:
MY POINT EXACTLY. This would have happened had the AZLI trial been successful.

FROM DASJSMUM:
By the way Nightwriter, I have not found Amy's responses rude, but I really feel that yours are. She has not said anything disparaging about you at all, just delivered the facts.

From Nightwriter:
In this case, the statement "The eflow is approved by the FDA" was not a fact. It was "cleared" as I said. The implication in the post also makes it sound like everyone can order one as easily as a $70 Pari off the internet. The fact that over 70,000 people have CF plus more with similar lung diseases and yet only a few HUNDRED have the eflow? Wassup with that?!

The disclaimer is from the FDA and while the eflow may be the greatest device in the world, many doctors will still not prescribe it until there are evidence based/based on clinical efficacy studies in CF patients have been conducted.

These kinds of studies have been done with jet, ultrasonic, pressured meter dose inhalers, but not on softmist vibrating mesh devices.

There is all from a really great article that compares all medical devices where you can see the advantages and disadvantages of all devices. I have to figure out how to post it -- I have it as a PDF.

I want an eflow as a matter of convenience, but there are downsides. I'd try it for daily Hypersal and Chromolyn Sodium. But dosaging is a guess (according to the CF pharmacies that I have spoken to.) My doctor said no to an eflow a few years ago, like so many people's doctors. I don't know if she would reconsider based on too few and small studies. With the compressors/nebs I use now -- I haven't needed TOBI in a few years, when I used to be on it everyday -- is there a risk by switching? Possibly.

As to SF's posts not being rude and mine aren't....Me rude? Never, LOL. But since the two of you think alike and YOU were accused of insensitive remarks in another thread, at least the two of you can be friends.

BTW, all I did was clarify that it was "cleared" which is still correct. And as your own post says it will never receive APPROVAL unless. etc.... then APPROVAL is an option as with the Devilbiss and TOBI in a similar context.

FROM DASJSMUM:
I personally appreciate her and feel that she brings a lot of good info to this forum that would be missed without her here.

FROM NIGHTWRITER
I would not want ANYONE to leave the forum, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. But be rude, mocking, or condescending and I am going to have some fun.

And finally, it would have been nice if I used the "quote feature."

 

[Nightwriter]

While I was gone...

FROM DASJSMUM
From what I understand of the issue, the eflow will not obtain FDA approval unless it is in a clinical trial to support a drug.

NIGHTWRITER'S RESPONSE:
MY POINT EXACTLY. This would have happened had the AZLI trial been successful.

FROM DASJSMUM:
By the way Nightwriter, I have not found Amy's responses rude, but I really feel that yours are. She has not said anything disparaging about you at all, just delivered the facts.

From Nightwriter:
In this case, the statement "The eflow is approved by the FDA" was not a fact. It was "cleared" as I said. The implication in the post also makes it sound like everyone can order one as easily as a $70 Pari off the internet. The fact that over 70,000 people have CF plus more with similar lung diseases and yet only a few HUNDRED have the eflow? Wassup with that?!

The disclaimer is from the FDA and while the eflow may be the greatest device in the world, many doctors will still not prescribe it until there are evidence based/based on clinical efficacy studies in CF patients have been conducted.

These kinds of studies have been done with jet, ultrasonic, pressured meter dose inhalers, but not on softmist vibrating mesh devices.

There is all from a really great article that compares all medical devices where you can see the advantages and disadvantages of all devices. I have to figure out how to post it -- I have it as a PDF.

I want an eflow as a matter of convenience, but there are downsides. I'd try it for daily Hypersal and Chromolyn Sodium. But dosaging is a guess (according to the CF pharmacies that I have spoken to.) My doctor said no to an eflow a few years ago, like so many people's doctors. I don't know if she would reconsider based on too few and small studies. With the compressors/nebs I use now -- I haven't needed TOBI in a few years, when I used to be on it everyday -- is there a risk by switching? Possibly.

As to SF's posts not being rude and mine aren't....Me rude? Never, LOL. But since the two of you think alike and YOU were accused of insensitive remarks in another thread, at least the two of you can be friends.

BTW, all I did was clarify that it was "cleared" which is still correct. And as your own post says it will never receive APPROVAL unless. etc.... then APPROVAL is an option as with the Devilbiss and TOBI in a similar context.

FROM DASJSMUM:
I personally appreciate her and feel that she brings a lot of good info to this forum that would be missed without her here.

FROM NIGHTWRITER
I would not want ANYONE to leave the forum, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. But be rude, mocking, or condescending and I am going to have some fun.

And finally, it would have been nice if I used the "quote feature."

 

[Nightwriter]

While I was gone...

FROM DASJSMUM
From what I understand of the issue, the eflow will not obtain FDA approval unless it is in a clinical trial to support a drug.

NIGHTWRITER'S RESPONSE:
MY POINT EXACTLY. This would have happened had the AZLI trial been successful.

FROM DASJSMUM:
By the way Nightwriter, I have not found Amy's responses rude, but I really feel that yours are. She has not said anything disparaging about you at all, just delivered the facts.

From Nightwriter:
In this case, the statement "The eflow is approved by the FDA" was not a fact. It was "cleared" as I said. The implication in the post also makes it sound like everyone can order one as easily as a $70 Pari off the internet. The fact that over 70,000 people have CF plus more with similar lung diseases and yet only a few HUNDRED have the eflow? Wassup with that?!

The disclaimer is from the FDA and while the eflow may be the greatest device in the world, many doctors will still not prescribe it until there are evidence based/based on clinical efficacy studies in CF patients have been conducted.

These kinds of studies have been done with jet, ultrasonic, pressured meter dose inhalers, but not on softmist vibrating mesh devices.

There is all from a really great article that compares all medical devices where you can see the advantages and disadvantages of all devices. I have to figure out how to post it -- I have it as a PDF.

I want an eflow as a matter of convenience, but there are downsides. I'd try it for daily Hypersal and Chromolyn Sodium. But dosaging is a guess (according to the CF pharmacies that I have spoken to.) My doctor said no to an eflow a few years ago, like so many people's doctors. I don't know if she would reconsider based on too few and small studies. With the compressors/nebs I use now -- I haven't needed TOBI in a few years, when I used to be on it everyday -- is there a risk by switching? Possibly.

As to SF's posts not being rude and mine aren't....Me rude? Never, LOL. But since the two of you think alike and YOU were accused of insensitive remarks in another thread, at least the two of you can be friends.

BTW, all I did was clarify that it was "cleared" which is still correct. And as your own post says it will never receive APPROVAL unless. etc.... then APPROVAL is an option as with the Devilbiss and TOBI in a similar context.

FROM DASJSMUM:
I personally appreciate her and feel that she brings a lot of good info to this forum that would be missed without her here.

FROM NIGHTWRITER
I would not want ANYONE to leave the forum, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. But be rude, mocking, or condescending and I am going to have some fun.

And finally, it would have been nice if I used the "quote feature."

 

[Nightwriter]

While I was gone...
<br />
<br />FROM DASJSMUM
<br />From what I understand of the issue, the eflow will not obtain FDA approval unless it is in a clinical trial to support a drug.
<br />
<br />NIGHTWRITER'S RESPONSE:
<br />MY POINT EXACTLY. This would have happened had the AZLI trial been successful.
<br />
<br />FROM DASJSMUM:
<br />By the way Nightwriter, I have not found Amy's responses rude, but I really feel that yours are. She has not said anything disparaging about you at all, just delivered the facts.
<br />
<br />From Nightwriter:
<br />In this case, the statement "The eflow is approved by the FDA" was not a fact. It was "cleared" as I said. The implication in the post also makes it sound like everyone can order one as easily as a $70 Pari off the internet. The fact that over 70,000 people have CF plus more with similar lung diseases and yet only a few HUNDRED have the eflow? Wassup with that?!
<br />
<br />The disclaimer is from the FDA and while the eflow may be the greatest device in the world, many doctors will still not prescribe it until there are evidence based/based on clinical efficacy studies in CF patients have been conducted.
<br />
<br />These kinds of studies have been done with jet, ultrasonic, pressured meter dose inhalers, but not on softmist vibrating mesh devices.
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<br />There is all from a really great article that compares all medical devices where you can see the advantages and disadvantages of all devices. I have to figure out how to post it -- I have it as a PDF.
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<br />I want an eflow as a matter of convenience, but there are downsides. I'd try it for daily Hypersal and Chromolyn Sodium. But dosaging is a guess (according to the CF pharmacies that I have spoken to.) My doctor said no to an eflow a few years ago, like so many people's doctors. I don't know if she would reconsider based on too few and small studies. With the compressors/nebs I use now -- I haven't needed TOBI in a few years, when I used to be on it everyday -- is there a risk by switching? Possibly.
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<br />As to SF's posts not being rude and mine aren't....Me rude? Never, LOL. But since the two of you think alike and YOU were accused of insensitive remarks in another thread, at least the two of you can be friends.
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<br />BTW, all I did was clarify that it was "cleared" which is still correct. And as your own post says it will never receive APPROVAL unless. etc.... then APPROVAL is an option as with the Devilbiss and TOBI in a similar context.
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<br />FROM DASJSMUM:
<br />I personally appreciate her and feel that she brings a lot of good info to this forum that would be missed without her here.
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<br />FROM NIGHTWRITER
<br />I would not want ANYONE to leave the forum, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. But be rude, mocking, or condescending and I am going to have some fun.
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<br />And finally, it would have been nice if I used the "quote feature."