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Taking an anti-histamine with CF, even if you don't have allergies, could improve your health.....


February 20, 2007

<b>White Blood Cells In Lung Produce Histamine Seen In Allergies </b>



In a surprise finding, scientists have discovered that histamine, the inflammatory compound released during allergic reactions that causes runny nose, watery eyes, and wheezing, can be produced in large amounts in the lung by neutrophils, the white blood cells that are the major component of pus.

Pus, a fluid found in infected tissue, is produced as a result of inflammation.

The study in mice is the first to show that lung neutrophils can produce histamine in significant quantities, according to principal investigator George Caughey, MD, chief of pulmonary/critical care medicine at the San Francisco VA Medical Center.

"Previously it was thought that the primary sources of lung histamine, in health as well as disease, was mast cells, which are classically associated with allergy," notes Caughey, who is also a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

Caughey says the result could mean that histamine acts as a link between airway infections and asthma and bronchitis, which are associated with allergy. "In both, we observe inflammation - swelling, blood vessel leak, and muscle contraction that narrows the airway."

The study appears in the January 2007 issue of the Journal of Experimental Medicine.

Caughey was investigating the well-known fact that upper respiratory infections often trigger acute asthma attacks. "We hypothesized that an infection in the airway would release histamine from mast cells, and that would be one of the reasons," he explains.

To test the hypothesis, Caughey and his team exposed two different populations of mice to mycoplasma, a common respiratory infection in rodents and humans. One population had a genetic abnormality that causes a total lack of mast cells; the other population was made up of normal, wild-type mice. Both populations of infected mice developed pneumonia.

"We thought the mice without mast cells would do better than the wild-type mice, because the infection wouldn't be provoking mast cells to release histamine," recalls Caughey. "In fact, they did much worse. Even though there were no mast cells, histamine levels rose up to 50 times normal."

The reason was straightforward, Caughey says. Neutrophil numbers increased in response to infection, and neutrophils in turn produced histamine. "It's a direct effect of the mycoplasma bacteria on neutrophils. They induce neutrophils to produce the enzyme that produces histamine."

Individual neutrophils produce much less histamine than individual mast cells, says Caughey, but "because pus contains millions if not billions of neutrophils, the overall amount they make is very considerable."

The neutrophil-histamine effect was similar in the wild-type mice, reports Caughey: "Histamine levels from neutrophils blew right past the histamine levels contributed by mast cells."

The wild-type mice suffered less severe infections overall because "as a number of recent studies, including ours, have shown, mast cells actually play a role in protecting against bacteria," Caughey explains. "For example, a mouse without mast cells with the equivalent of a ruptured appendix will die of the resulting infection, while a mouse with mast cells can survive."

When the infected mice without mast cells were given antihistamines, the level of histamine, and therefore the severity of the pneumonia, dropped in proportion to the amount of antihistamine given.

"This is a study in mice, so we cannot freely extrapolate the results to human beings," cautions Caughey. "Nonetheless, antihistamines may deserve more of a look as therapeutic options in lung and airway infection."

He says the study also has implications for other types of airway infection "in which there are a lot of white blood cells -cystic fibrosis, for example, which can be associated with asthma-like airway contraction."

The next steps for Caughey and his research team are to investigate "how general this result might be. Does only one type of bacteria cause the effect, or do others, also? Is it limited to rodents, or does it carry forward to humans? And if it does, is the amount of histamine produced by neutrophils enough to make a clinical difference?"

###

Co-authors of the study were Xiang Xu, MD, PhD, Dongji Zhang, MD, PhD, Hong Zhang, PhD, Paul J. Wolters, MD, Nigel P. Killeen, PhD, Brandon M. Sullivan, Richard M. Locksley, MD, and Clifford A. Lowell, MD, PhD, of UCSF.

The study was supported by funds from the National Institutes of Health, the Diamond Family Foundation, and an Elizabeth Nash memorial fellowship from Cystic Fibrosis Research, Inc. A part of the NIH funds was administered by the Northern California Institute for Research and Education.

NCIRE is the largest research institute associated with a VA medical center. Its mission is to improve the health and well-being of veterans and the general public by supporting a world-class biomedical research program conducted by the UCSF faculty at SFVAMC.

SFVAMC has the largest medical research program in the national VA system, with more than 200 research scientists, all of whom are faculty members at UCSF.

UCSF is a leading university that advances health worldwide by conducting advanced biomedical research, educating graduate students in the life sciences and health professions, and providing complex patient care.

Contact: Steve Tokar
University of California - San Francisco


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NoExcuses

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Taking an anti-histamine with CF, even if you don't have allergies, could improve your health.....


February 20, 2007

<b>White Blood Cells In Lung Produce Histamine Seen In Allergies </b>



In a surprise finding, scientists have discovered that histamine, the inflammatory compound released during allergic reactions that causes runny nose, watery eyes, and wheezing, can be produced in large amounts in the lung by neutrophils, the white blood cells that are the major component of pus.

Pus, a fluid found in infected tissue, is produced as a result of inflammation.

The study in mice is the first to show that lung neutrophils can produce histamine in significant quantities, according to principal investigator George Caughey, MD, chief of pulmonary/critical care medicine at the San Francisco VA Medical Center.

"Previously it was thought that the primary sources of lung histamine, in health as well as disease, was mast cells, which are classically associated with allergy," notes Caughey, who is also a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

Caughey says the result could mean that histamine acts as a link between airway infections and asthma and bronchitis, which are associated with allergy. "In both, we observe inflammation - swelling, blood vessel leak, and muscle contraction that narrows the airway."

The study appears in the January 2007 issue of the Journal of Experimental Medicine.

Caughey was investigating the well-known fact that upper respiratory infections often trigger acute asthma attacks. "We hypothesized that an infection in the airway would release histamine from mast cells, and that would be one of the reasons," he explains.

To test the hypothesis, Caughey and his team exposed two different populations of mice to mycoplasma, a common respiratory infection in rodents and humans. One population had a genetic abnormality that causes a total lack of mast cells; the other population was made up of normal, wild-type mice. Both populations of infected mice developed pneumonia.

"We thought the mice without mast cells would do better than the wild-type mice, because the infection wouldn't be provoking mast cells to release histamine," recalls Caughey. "In fact, they did much worse. Even though there were no mast cells, histamine levels rose up to 50 times normal."

The reason was straightforward, Caughey says. Neutrophil numbers increased in response to infection, and neutrophils in turn produced histamine. "It's a direct effect of the mycoplasma bacteria on neutrophils. They induce neutrophils to produce the enzyme that produces histamine."

Individual neutrophils produce much less histamine than individual mast cells, says Caughey, but "because pus contains millions if not billions of neutrophils, the overall amount they make is very considerable."

The neutrophil-histamine effect was similar in the wild-type mice, reports Caughey: "Histamine levels from neutrophils blew right past the histamine levels contributed by mast cells."

The wild-type mice suffered less severe infections overall because "as a number of recent studies, including ours, have shown, mast cells actually play a role in protecting against bacteria," Caughey explains. "For example, a mouse without mast cells with the equivalent of a ruptured appendix will die of the resulting infection, while a mouse with mast cells can survive."

When the infected mice without mast cells were given antihistamines, the level of histamine, and therefore the severity of the pneumonia, dropped in proportion to the amount of antihistamine given.

"This is a study in mice, so we cannot freely extrapolate the results to human beings," cautions Caughey. "Nonetheless, antihistamines may deserve more of a look as therapeutic options in lung and airway infection."

He says the study also has implications for other types of airway infection "in which there are a lot of white blood cells -cystic fibrosis, for example, which can be associated with asthma-like airway contraction."

The next steps for Caughey and his research team are to investigate "how general this result might be. Does only one type of bacteria cause the effect, or do others, also? Is it limited to rodents, or does it carry forward to humans? And if it does, is the amount of histamine produced by neutrophils enough to make a clinical difference?"

###

Co-authors of the study were Xiang Xu, MD, PhD, Dongji Zhang, MD, PhD, Hong Zhang, PhD, Paul J. Wolters, MD, Nigel P. Killeen, PhD, Brandon M. Sullivan, Richard M. Locksley, MD, and Clifford A. Lowell, MD, PhD, of UCSF.

The study was supported by funds from the National Institutes of Health, the Diamond Family Foundation, and an Elizabeth Nash memorial fellowship from Cystic Fibrosis Research, Inc. A part of the NIH funds was administered by the Northern California Institute for Research and Education.

NCIRE is the largest research institute associated with a VA medical center. Its mission is to improve the health and well-being of veterans and the general public by supporting a world-class biomedical research program conducted by the UCSF faculty at SFVAMC.

SFVAMC has the largest medical research program in the national VA system, with more than 200 research scientists, all of whom are faculty members at UCSF.

UCSF is a leading university that advances health worldwide by conducting advanced biomedical research, educating graduate students in the life sciences and health professions, and providing complex patient care.

Contact: Steve Tokar
University of California - San Francisco


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NoExcuses

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Taking an anti-histamine with CF, even if you don't have allergies, could improve your health.....


February 20, 2007

<b>White Blood Cells In Lung Produce Histamine Seen In Allergies </b>



In a surprise finding, scientists have discovered that histamine, the inflammatory compound released during allergic reactions that causes runny nose, watery eyes, and wheezing, can be produced in large amounts in the lung by neutrophils, the white blood cells that are the major component of pus.

Pus, a fluid found in infected tissue, is produced as a result of inflammation.

The study in mice is the first to show that lung neutrophils can produce histamine in significant quantities, according to principal investigator George Caughey, MD, chief of pulmonary/critical care medicine at the San Francisco VA Medical Center.

"Previously it was thought that the primary sources of lung histamine, in health as well as disease, was mast cells, which are classically associated with allergy," notes Caughey, who is also a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

Caughey says the result could mean that histamine acts as a link between airway infections and asthma and bronchitis, which are associated with allergy. "In both, we observe inflammation - swelling, blood vessel leak, and muscle contraction that narrows the airway."

The study appears in the January 2007 issue of the Journal of Experimental Medicine.

Caughey was investigating the well-known fact that upper respiratory infections often trigger acute asthma attacks. "We hypothesized that an infection in the airway would release histamine from mast cells, and that would be one of the reasons," he explains.

To test the hypothesis, Caughey and his team exposed two different populations of mice to mycoplasma, a common respiratory infection in rodents and humans. One population had a genetic abnormality that causes a total lack of mast cells; the other population was made up of normal, wild-type mice. Both populations of infected mice developed pneumonia.

"We thought the mice without mast cells would do better than the wild-type mice, because the infection wouldn't be provoking mast cells to release histamine," recalls Caughey. "In fact, they did much worse. Even though there were no mast cells, histamine levels rose up to 50 times normal."

The reason was straightforward, Caughey says. Neutrophil numbers increased in response to infection, and neutrophils in turn produced histamine. "It's a direct effect of the mycoplasma bacteria on neutrophils. They induce neutrophils to produce the enzyme that produces histamine."

Individual neutrophils produce much less histamine than individual mast cells, says Caughey, but "because pus contains millions if not billions of neutrophils, the overall amount they make is very considerable."

The neutrophil-histamine effect was similar in the wild-type mice, reports Caughey: "Histamine levels from neutrophils blew right past the histamine levels contributed by mast cells."

The wild-type mice suffered less severe infections overall because "as a number of recent studies, including ours, have shown, mast cells actually play a role in protecting against bacteria," Caughey explains. "For example, a mouse without mast cells with the equivalent of a ruptured appendix will die of the resulting infection, while a mouse with mast cells can survive."

When the infected mice without mast cells were given antihistamines, the level of histamine, and therefore the severity of the pneumonia, dropped in proportion to the amount of antihistamine given.

"This is a study in mice, so we cannot freely extrapolate the results to human beings," cautions Caughey. "Nonetheless, antihistamines may deserve more of a look as therapeutic options in lung and airway infection."

He says the study also has implications for other types of airway infection "in which there are a lot of white blood cells -cystic fibrosis, for example, which can be associated with asthma-like airway contraction."

The next steps for Caughey and his research team are to investigate "how general this result might be. Does only one type of bacteria cause the effect, or do others, also? Is it limited to rodents, or does it carry forward to humans? And if it does, is the amount of histamine produced by neutrophils enough to make a clinical difference?"

###

Co-authors of the study were Xiang Xu, MD, PhD, Dongji Zhang, MD, PhD, Hong Zhang, PhD, Paul J. Wolters, MD, Nigel P. Killeen, PhD, Brandon M. Sullivan, Richard M. Locksley, MD, and Clifford A. Lowell, MD, PhD, of UCSF.

The study was supported by funds from the National Institutes of Health, the Diamond Family Foundation, and an Elizabeth Nash memorial fellowship from Cystic Fibrosis Research, Inc. A part of the NIH funds was administered by the Northern California Institute for Research and Education.

NCIRE is the largest research institute associated with a VA medical center. Its mission is to improve the health and well-being of veterans and the general public by supporting a world-class biomedical research program conducted by the UCSF faculty at SFVAMC.

SFVAMC has the largest medical research program in the national VA system, with more than 200 research scientists, all of whom are faculty members at UCSF.

UCSF is a leading university that advances health worldwide by conducting advanced biomedical research, educating graduate students in the life sciences and health professions, and providing complex patient care.

Contact: Steve Tokar
University of California - San Francisco


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Chaggie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

:p I'm beginning to think you're a masshole, Chris. Go back to playing hockey, would ya?</end quote></div>

Beginning, I thought that was well established.
 

Chaggie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

:p I'm beginning to think you're a masshole, Chris. Go back to playing hockey, would ya?</end quote></div>

Beginning, I thought that was well established.
 

Chaggie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

:p I'm beginning to think you're a masshole, Chris. Go back to playing hockey, would ya?</end quote></div>

Beginning, I thought that was well established.
 

Foody

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Interesting article. I would not go so far as to say the answer is to take antihistimines for life. If I am reading this and following the logic, you are saying that because CF lungs can and do become infected with bacteria more frequently, the lungs, due to increased neutrophils, are creating a fairly constant, high histimine response (increase mucus, airway restriction ect) when infection/bacteria is present. Right? (correct me if I'm wrong)

If the bacteria is not causing an issue or there is no infection (overgrowth), wouldn't the body not react as described? Or if there were antioxidents (such as GSH) or bioflavonoids (like Quercetin) available to help reduce the antihistamine response during times of bacteria infection or a part of preventative care treatment, wouldn't that help in a more supportive way.

One might assume that antihistamines prevent or lower the production of histamine. Actually, they don't --- antihistamines merely block the action of histamine at receptor sites. What this means is that the heightened histamine levels in the person having an allergic response actually stay high, even though they may be experiencing less symptoms. Antihistamines also often produce side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and even depression.

High histamine levels, however, can give rise to fatigue, irritability, and an even weaker immune system in the future so this important to look at in the CF lung...the solution does not seem to be antihistimines however.
 

Foody

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Interesting article. I would not go so far as to say the answer is to take antihistimines for life. If I am reading this and following the logic, you are saying that because CF lungs can and do become infected with bacteria more frequently, the lungs, due to increased neutrophils, are creating a fairly constant, high histimine response (increase mucus, airway restriction ect) when infection/bacteria is present. Right? (correct me if I'm wrong)

If the bacteria is not causing an issue or there is no infection (overgrowth), wouldn't the body not react as described? Or if there were antioxidents (such as GSH) or bioflavonoids (like Quercetin) available to help reduce the antihistamine response during times of bacteria infection or a part of preventative care treatment, wouldn't that help in a more supportive way.

One might assume that antihistamines prevent or lower the production of histamine. Actually, they don't --- antihistamines merely block the action of histamine at receptor sites. What this means is that the heightened histamine levels in the person having an allergic response actually stay high, even though they may be experiencing less symptoms. Antihistamines also often produce side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and even depression.

High histamine levels, however, can give rise to fatigue, irritability, and an even weaker immune system in the future so this important to look at in the CF lung...the solution does not seem to be antihistimines however.
 

Foody

New member
Interesting article. I would not go so far as to say the answer is to take antihistimines for life. If I am reading this and following the logic, you are saying that because CF lungs can and do become infected with bacteria more frequently, the lungs, due to increased neutrophils, are creating a fairly constant, high histimine response (increase mucus, airway restriction ect) when infection/bacteria is present. Right? (correct me if I'm wrong)

If the bacteria is not causing an issue or there is no infection (overgrowth), wouldn't the body not react as described? Or if there were antioxidents (such as GSH) or bioflavonoids (like Quercetin) available to help reduce the antihistamine response during times of bacteria infection or a part of preventative care treatment, wouldn't that help in a more supportive way.

One might assume that antihistamines prevent or lower the production of histamine. Actually, they don't --- antihistamines merely block the action of histamine at receptor sites. What this means is that the heightened histamine levels in the person having an allergic response actually stay high, even though they may be experiencing less symptoms. Antihistamines also often produce side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and even depression.

High histamine levels, however, can give rise to fatigue, irritability, and an even weaker immune system in the future so this important to look at in the CF lung...the solution does not seem to be antihistimines however.
 
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65rosessamurai

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First point, this information only indicates a study based on <b>mice</b>.
I'd like to see what happens after they take a study of CF patients, to find out what the results are from 'field studies'.
Second, as I understand it, taking particular antihistimines will eventually develop a resistance to the medication.
This does come to a third point, which I'm not sure if it's changed in the last 15 years or not, but don't some of those antihistimines contain steroids? If so, that'd be another concern.
Healing the body by chemicals is not always the best interest for the human body...I'd rather use natural methods of healing, anyway.

Edited to add: Mixing medications sometimes has additional side effects, such as decrease in potency, additional allergic reactions and so on, so that's why I'd like to see more info before having to take more meds just to increase my white blood cells.
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
First point, this information only indicates a study based on <b>mice</b>.
I'd like to see what happens after they take a study of CF patients, to find out what the results are from 'field studies'.
Second, as I understand it, taking particular antihistimines will eventually develop a resistance to the medication.
This does come to a third point, which I'm not sure if it's changed in the last 15 years or not, but don't some of those antihistimines contain steroids? If so, that'd be another concern.
Healing the body by chemicals is not always the best interest for the human body...I'd rather use natural methods of healing, anyway.

Edited to add: Mixing medications sometimes has additional side effects, such as decrease in potency, additional allergic reactions and so on, so that's why I'd like to see more info before having to take more meds just to increase my white blood cells.
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
First point, this information only indicates a study based on <b>mice</b>.
I'd like to see what happens after they take a study of CF patients, to find out what the results are from 'field studies'.
Second, as I understand it, taking particular antihistimines will eventually develop a resistance to the medication.
This does come to a third point, which I'm not sure if it's changed in the last 15 years or not, but don't some of those antihistimines contain steroids? If so, that'd be another concern.
Healing the body by chemicals is not always the best interest for the human body...I'd rather use natural methods of healing, anyway.

Edited to add: Mixing medications sometimes has additional side effects, such as decrease in potency, additional allergic reactions and so on, so that's why I'd like to see more info before having to take more meds just to increase my white blood cells.
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Foody</b></i>


If the bacteria is not causing an issue or there is no infection (overgrowth), wouldn't the body not react as described? </end quote></div>

Yes, of course.... but most CF patients are chronically colonized with bacteria, so speaking about what might happen if bacteria isn't causing an issue is speaking to about 5% of the CF population.... I don't see your point here....

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> Or if there were antioxidents (such as GSH) or bioflavonoids (like Quercetin) available to help reduce the antihistamine response during times of bacteria infection or a part of preventative care treatment, wouldn't that help in a more supportive way. </end quote></div>

OK, no, anti-oxidents don't reduce histamine production.... neither do bioflavanoids. They may reduce subsequent <i> inflammation </i>, but they won't prevent histamines from being released....



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>One might assume that antihistamines prevent or lower the production of histamine. Actually, they don't --- antihistamines merely block the action of histamine at receptor sites. </end quote></div>

OK, the histamine cannot become effective unless it binds to the H1 receptor site. So you can have a billion histamines floating around in your body, but if it can't bind to any H1 receptor sites, the body will not experience subsequent events that histamines can produce such as inflammation.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> Antihistamines also often produce side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and even depression. </end quote></div>

I would brush up on the package inserts of anti-histamines if I were you. Drowsiness occures prodominently with the 1st generation of anti-histamines such as diphenhydramine (Benadryl in the US). Zyrtec can produce drowsiness as well although impairment is more of a concern there. Allergra does not cross the blood brain barrier and therefore does not produce impairment. Claritin at some doses has similar side effects to Allegra. Dizziness occures at a similar rate to placebo with Zyrtec, Allegra and Claritin as well.


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>the solution does not seem to be antihistimines however.</end quote></div>

Odd conclusion.....
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Foody</b></i>


If the bacteria is not causing an issue or there is no infection (overgrowth), wouldn't the body not react as described? </end quote></div>

Yes, of course.... but most CF patients are chronically colonized with bacteria, so speaking about what might happen if bacteria isn't causing an issue is speaking to about 5% of the CF population.... I don't see your point here....

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> Or if there were antioxidents (such as GSH) or bioflavonoids (like Quercetin) available to help reduce the antihistamine response during times of bacteria infection or a part of preventative care treatment, wouldn't that help in a more supportive way. </end quote></div>

OK, no, anti-oxidents don't reduce histamine production.... neither do bioflavanoids. They may reduce subsequent <i> inflammation </i>, but they won't prevent histamines from being released....



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>One might assume that antihistamines prevent or lower the production of histamine. Actually, they don't --- antihistamines merely block the action of histamine at receptor sites. </end quote></div>

OK, the histamine cannot become effective unless it binds to the H1 receptor site. So you can have a billion histamines floating around in your body, but if it can't bind to any H1 receptor sites, the body will not experience subsequent events that histamines can produce such as inflammation.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> Antihistamines also often produce side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and even depression. </end quote></div>

I would brush up on the package inserts of anti-histamines if I were you. Drowsiness occures prodominently with the 1st generation of anti-histamines such as diphenhydramine (Benadryl in the US). Zyrtec can produce drowsiness as well although impairment is more of a concern there. Allergra does not cross the blood brain barrier and therefore does not produce impairment. Claritin at some doses has similar side effects to Allegra. Dizziness occures at a similar rate to placebo with Zyrtec, Allegra and Claritin as well.


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>the solution does not seem to be antihistimines however.</end quote></div>

Odd conclusion.....
 
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