Hands pruning in water

robert321

New member
Ok, the light bulb just went off! I know whats going on with the pruning hands!
<br />It goes to the basics of what cystic fibrosis is. The ion channels are transferring fluids across the cells to eliminate the salt. It makes so much sense in my mind, I'll have to do some research to explain it properly.
 
Joanna hands look the same, but so do mine and Joanna's little cousin. Never seem to bother me or Joanna. Maybe it has more to do with the hardness of water you use?
 
Joanna hands look the same, but so do mine and Joanna's little cousin. Never seem to bother me or Joanna. Maybe it has more to do with the hardness of water you use?
 
Joanna hands look the same, but so do mine and Joanna's little cousin. Never seem to bother me or Joanna. Maybe it has more to do with the hardness of water you use?
 

Eden

New member
Thanks everyone. DS does have dry hands a lot also. He starts wrinkling really quickly, within just a couple of minutes of being in the tub. It seems to get this bad after about 10 minutes or so. I have noticed that my hands wrinkle quickly, when taking a really quick shower or even when peeling an orange, but again, nothing this bad. I'm still pushing to get the genetic blood test done, since we have no diagnosis as of yet. Do you think showing this to the doctor would be enough for them to want to request the blood work? I need the request to come from the doctor or my insurance won't pay!
 

Eden

New member
Thanks everyone. DS does have dry hands a lot also. He starts wrinkling really quickly, within just a couple of minutes of being in the tub. It seems to get this bad after about 10 minutes or so. I have noticed that my hands wrinkle quickly, when taking a really quick shower or even when peeling an orange, but again, nothing this bad. I'm still pushing to get the genetic blood test done, since we have no diagnosis as of yet. Do you think showing this to the doctor would be enough for them to want to request the blood work? I need the request to come from the doctor or my insurance won't pay!
 

Eden

New member
Thanks everyone. DS does have dry hands a lot also. He starts wrinkling really quickly, within just a couple of minutes of being in the tub. It seems to get this bad after about 10 minutes or so. I have noticed that my hands wrinkle quickly, when taking a really quick shower or even when peeling an orange, but again, nothing this bad. I'm still pushing to get the genetic blood test done, since we have no diagnosis as of yet. Do you think showing this to the doctor would be enough for them to want to request the blood work? I need the request to come from the doctor or my insurance won't pay!
 

robert321

New member
Ok, I researched it, the skin acts as the barrier of course, and your body is a hypertonic (high in salt) solution and the water is a hypotonic (little salt) the molocules pass into the water through plasmolysis (a type of osmosis in which water moves out of the material) trying to create an isotonic solution where the salinity is the same.

Here is a lab expiriment I did back in freshman biology in highschool explaining it.

Aim
To determine how and under what circumstances materials will transport across the membrane of an egg.

Materials
raw egg, vinegar, Karo syrup, water, 250 mL beaker, graduated cylinder, aluminum foil

Overview
Depending upon the concentration of water in an egg and that in its surrounding environment, water may
diffuse into or out of the egg. The egg will be placed into three different solutions, each with a different
concentration of water, to illustrate this effect.

Procedure

1. Fill the beaker with enough water so that the egg will be completely submerged when placed in
the beaker. Measure the amount of water in the beaker, then place the egg into the beaker and
measure the new height of the water. The difference in these two measurements is the egg's
volume. Record this value in the table below. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its
mass.

2. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of vinegar. Pour this vinegar into a beaker.

3. Place the egg into the "Vinegar" beaker. Cover the top of the beaker with a piece of aluminum
foil. Fold the aluminum foil down along the sides of the beaker so that it cannot fall off easily.

4. Allow the "Vinegar" beaker to sit for two days.

5. After two days, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
the volume of vinegar remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
occurred in the egg.

6. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of distilled water. Pour this water into a beaker.

7. Place the egg into the "Water" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.

8. Allow the "Water" beaker to sit for one day.

9. After one day, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
the volume of water remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
occurred in the egg.

10. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of Karo syrup. Pour this glucose solution into a
beaker.

11. Place the egg into the "Glucose" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.

12. Allow the "Glucose" beaker to sit for one day.

13. After one day, carefully remove the egg and measure its volume. Also measure the volume of
sugar solution remaining in the beaker by using the graduated cylinder. Place the egg on the
digital balance, record its mass. Record these values in the table. Make a note of any qualitative
changes which you observe.

14. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of distilled water. Pour this water into a beaker.

15. Place the egg into the "Water 2" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.

16. Allow the "Water 2" beaker to sit for one day.

17. After one day, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
the volume of water remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
occurred in the egg.

Observations
Record the data you gathered on the first and second day in the table below.

Egg (V)

vinegar

Egg (D)

distilled water

Egg (S)

sugar solution

Egg (W2)

distilled water

If you need more space to record qualitative changes do so in the space below.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Volume
before



250 mL



250 mL

250 mL



250 mL

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Definitions of terms
In answering the questions and writing your conclusions, you may wish to use the following terms to
make your answer complete.

.

diffusion - the movement of molecules from an area of high concentration to an area of low
concentration

.

osmosis - the diffusion of water

.

plasmolysis - a type of osmosis in which water moves out of the material

.

deplasmolysis - a type of osmosis in which water moves into the material

.

isotonic solution - a solution with equal concentration of solute inside and outside of the material

.

hypertonic solution - a solution with more solute in the surrounding environment than in the
material

.

hypotonic solution - a solution with less solute in the surrounding environment than in the material

Questions

1. What was the purpose of covering the beakers with aluminum foil?

2. The movement of water from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration is
called ________________

3. At which points did water flow into the egg? How can you tell?

4. At which points did water flow out of the egg? How do you know?

5. Which solutions (if any) were hypertonic, isotonic, or hypotonic? Explain how you know.

Conclusions
In the space below, write down any conclusions you can draw from this experiment. You may wish to

explain how the data you gathered relates to the qualitative changes you observed in the eggs. You can
also discuss some of the implications of your findings; for instance, why fruits and vegetables are sprayed
with water at a market.
 

robert321

New member
Ok, I researched it, the skin acts as the barrier of course, and your body is a hypertonic (high in salt) solution and the water is a hypotonic (little salt) the molocules pass into the water through plasmolysis (a type of osmosis in which water moves out of the material) trying to create an isotonic solution where the salinity is the same.

Here is a lab expiriment I did back in freshman biology in highschool explaining it.

Aim
To determine how and under what circumstances materials will transport across the membrane of an egg.

Materials
raw egg, vinegar, Karo syrup, water, 250 mL beaker, graduated cylinder, aluminum foil

Overview
Depending upon the concentration of water in an egg and that in its surrounding environment, water may
diffuse into or out of the egg. The egg will be placed into three different solutions, each with a different
concentration of water, to illustrate this effect.

Procedure

1. Fill the beaker with enough water so that the egg will be completely submerged when placed in
the beaker. Measure the amount of water in the beaker, then place the egg into the beaker and
measure the new height of the water. The difference in these two measurements is the egg's
volume. Record this value in the table below. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its
mass.

2. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of vinegar. Pour this vinegar into a beaker.

3. Place the egg into the "Vinegar" beaker. Cover the top of the beaker with a piece of aluminum
foil. Fold the aluminum foil down along the sides of the beaker so that it cannot fall off easily.

4. Allow the "Vinegar" beaker to sit for two days.

5. After two days, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
the volume of vinegar remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
occurred in the egg.

6. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of distilled water. Pour this water into a beaker.

7. Place the egg into the "Water" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.

8. Allow the "Water" beaker to sit for one day.

9. After one day, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
the volume of water remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
occurred in the egg.

10. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of Karo syrup. Pour this glucose solution into a
beaker.

11. Place the egg into the "Glucose" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.

12. Allow the "Glucose" beaker to sit for one day.

13. After one day, carefully remove the egg and measure its volume. Also measure the volume of
sugar solution remaining in the beaker by using the graduated cylinder. Place the egg on the
digital balance, record its mass. Record these values in the table. Make a note of any qualitative
changes which you observe.

14. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of distilled water. Pour this water into a beaker.

15. Place the egg into the "Water 2" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.

16. Allow the "Water 2" beaker to sit for one day.

17. After one day, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
the volume of water remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
occurred in the egg.

Observations
Record the data you gathered on the first and second day in the table below.

Egg (V)

vinegar

Egg (D)

distilled water

Egg (S)

sugar solution

Egg (W2)

distilled water

If you need more space to record qualitative changes do so in the space below.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Volume
before



250 mL



250 mL

250 mL



250 mL

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Definitions of terms
In answering the questions and writing your conclusions, you may wish to use the following terms to
make your answer complete.

.

diffusion - the movement of molecules from an area of high concentration to an area of low
concentration

.

osmosis - the diffusion of water

.

plasmolysis - a type of osmosis in which water moves out of the material

.

deplasmolysis - a type of osmosis in which water moves into the material

.

isotonic solution - a solution with equal concentration of solute inside and outside of the material

.

hypertonic solution - a solution with more solute in the surrounding environment than in the
material

.

hypotonic solution - a solution with less solute in the surrounding environment than in the material

Questions

1. What was the purpose of covering the beakers with aluminum foil?

2. The movement of water from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration is
called ________________

3. At which points did water flow into the egg? How can you tell?

4. At which points did water flow out of the egg? How do you know?

5. Which solutions (if any) were hypertonic, isotonic, or hypotonic? Explain how you know.

Conclusions
In the space below, write down any conclusions you can draw from this experiment. You may wish to

explain how the data you gathered relates to the qualitative changes you observed in the eggs. You can
also discuss some of the implications of your findings; for instance, why fruits and vegetables are sprayed
with water at a market.
 

robert321

New member
Ok, I researched it, the skin acts as the barrier of course, and your body is a hypertonic (high in salt) solution and the water is a hypotonic (little salt) the molocules pass into the water through plasmolysis (a type of osmosis in which water moves out of the material) trying to create an isotonic solution where the salinity is the same.
<br />
<br />Here is a lab expiriment I did back in freshman biology in highschool explaining it.
<br />
<br />Aim
<br />To determine how and under what circumstances materials will transport across the membrane of an egg.
<br />
<br />Materials
<br />raw egg, vinegar, Karo syrup, water, 250 mL beaker, graduated cylinder, aluminum foil
<br />
<br />Overview
<br />Depending upon the concentration of water in an egg and that in its surrounding environment, water may
<br />diffuse into or out of the egg. The egg will be placed into three different solutions, each with a different
<br />concentration of water, to illustrate this effect.
<br />
<br />Procedure
<br />
<br />1. Fill the beaker with enough water so that the egg will be completely submerged when placed in
<br />the beaker. Measure the amount of water in the beaker, then place the egg into the beaker and
<br />measure the new height of the water. The difference in these two measurements is the egg's
<br />volume. Record this value in the table below. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its
<br />mass.
<br />
<br />2. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of vinegar. Pour this vinegar into a beaker.
<br />
<br />3. Place the egg into the "Vinegar" beaker. Cover the top of the beaker with a piece of aluminum
<br />foil. Fold the aluminum foil down along the sides of the beaker so that it cannot fall off easily.
<br />
<br />4. Allow the "Vinegar" beaker to sit for two days.
<br />
<br />5. After two days, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
<br />as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
<br />the volume of vinegar remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
<br />these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
<br />occurred in the egg.
<br />
<br />6. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of distilled water. Pour this water into a beaker.
<br />
<br />7. Place the egg into the "Water" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
<br />aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.
<br />
<br />8. Allow the "Water" beaker to sit for one day.
<br />
<br />9. After one day, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
<br />as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
<br />the volume of water remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
<br />these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
<br />occurred in the egg.
<br />
<br />10. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of Karo syrup. Pour this glucose solution into a
<br />beaker.
<br />
<br />11. Place the egg into the "Glucose" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
<br />aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.
<br />
<br />12. Allow the "Glucose" beaker to sit for one day.
<br />
<br />13. After one day, carefully remove the egg and measure its volume. Also measure the volume of
<br />sugar solution remaining in the beaker by using the graduated cylinder. Place the egg on the
<br />digital balance, record its mass. Record these values in the table. Make a note of any qualitative
<br />changes which you observe.
<br />
<br />14. Using the graduated cylinder, measure 250 mL of distilled water. Pour this water into a beaker.
<br />
<br />15. Place the egg into the "Water 2" beaker. As in step #3, cover the top of the beaker with a piece of
<br />aluminum foil and fold it down along the sides so that it cannot fall off.
<br />
<br />16. Allow the "Water 2" beaker to sit for one day.
<br />
<br />17. After one day, carefully remove the egg and determine its volume using the same procedure
<br />as in step #1. Also, pour the contents of the beaker into the graduated cylinder to determine
<br />the volume of water remaining. Place the egg on the digital balance, record its mass. Record
<br />these measurements in the table. Also note any qualitative changes (in color, texture, etc.) which
<br />occurred in the egg.
<br />
<br />Observations
<br />Record the data you gathered on the first and second day in the table below.
<br />
<br />Egg (V)
<br />
<br />vinegar
<br />
<br />Egg (D)
<br />
<br />distilled water
<br />
<br />Egg (S)
<br />
<br />sugar solution
<br />
<br />Egg (W2)
<br />
<br />distilled water
<br />
<br />If you need more space to record qualitative changes do so in the space below.
<br />
<br />_____________________________________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />_____________________________________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />_____________________________________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />_____________________________________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />Volume
<br />before
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />250 mL
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />250 mL
<br />
<br />250 mL
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />250 mL
<br />
<br />_____________________________________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />_____________________________________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />Definitions of terms
<br />In answering the questions and writing your conclusions, you may wish to use the following terms to
<br />make your answer complete.
<br />
<br />.
<br />
<br />diffusion - the movement of molecules from an area of high concentration to an area of low
<br />concentration
<br />
<br />.
<br />
<br />osmosis - the diffusion of water
<br />
<br />.
<br />
<br />plasmolysis - a type of osmosis in which water moves out of the material
<br />
<br />.
<br />
<br />deplasmolysis - a type of osmosis in which water moves into the material
<br />
<br />.
<br />
<br />isotonic solution - a solution with equal concentration of solute inside and outside of the material
<br />
<br />.
<br />
<br />hypertonic solution - a solution with more solute in the surrounding environment than in the
<br />material
<br />
<br />.
<br />
<br />hypotonic solution - a solution with less solute in the surrounding environment than in the material
<br />
<br />Questions
<br />
<br />1. What was the purpose of covering the beakers with aluminum foil?
<br />
<br />2. The movement of water from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration is
<br />called ________________
<br />
<br />3. At which points did water flow into the egg? How can you tell?
<br />
<br />4. At which points did water flow out of the egg? How do you know?
<br />
<br />5. Which solutions (if any) were hypertonic, isotonic, or hypotonic? Explain how you know.
<br />
<br />Conclusions
<br />In the space below, write down any conclusions you can draw from this experiment. You may wish to
<br />
<br />explain how the data you gathered relates to the qualitative changes you observed in the eggs. You can
<br />also discuss some of the implications of your findings; for instance, why fruits and vegetables are sprayed
<br />with water at a market.
 

LouLou

New member
This is called aquagenic palmar wrinkling and is a sign of cf. If a person prunes in 2-3 min they are likely cf positive. 7 minutes likely a carrier. Though only 25% of carriers prune and 75% of cfers. Something like that anyway. I think this is the article that goes into it in more detail.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://noexcusesnoexcuses.blogspot.com/2010/06/aquagenic-wrinkling-of-palms-in-cystic.html">http://noexcusesnoexcuses.blog...f-palms-in-cystic.html</a>
 

LouLou

New member
This is called aquagenic palmar wrinkling and is a sign of cf. If a person prunes in 2-3 min they are likely cf positive. 7 minutes likely a carrier. Though only 25% of carriers prune and 75% of cfers. Something like that anyway. I think this is the article that goes into it in more detail.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://noexcusesnoexcuses.blogspot.com/2010/06/aquagenic-wrinkling-of-palms-in-cystic.html">http://noexcusesnoexcuses.blog...f-palms-in-cystic.html</a>
 

LouLou

New member
This is called aquagenic palmar wrinkling and is a sign of cf. If a person prunes in 2-3 min they are likely cf positive. 7 minutes likely a carrier. Though only 25% of carriers prune and 75% of cfers. Something like that anyway. I think this is the article that goes into it in more detail.
<br /><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://noexcusesnoexcuses.blogspot.com/2010/06/aquagenic-wrinkling-of-palms-in-cystic.html">http://noexcusesnoexcuses.blog...f-palms-in-cystic.html</a>
 

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NanaOf8GirlsAndCounting

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Graycie's hands and feet get that way in the bath also. But her finger pads also peel and that does hurt her. Don't know if the peeling has anything to do with her CF or not.
 
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