how long do you wait to give antibiotics for a cough?

momtocrazel

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Hello. our 6 mo baby girl has a wet/"junky" sounding cough. pediatrician did recommend starting bactrum if cough did not significantly improve in a couple of days (this is after she had the cough a couple of days.) Total cough time 7-10days? we have been giving her albuterol since tues? 3-4x/day. it did seem to be getting better but not resolved. worse in the am, def not constant but bursts throughout day. not during sleep. i am just hesitant to start the antibiotics without signs of infection. mucous clear, no fever, appetite good. i am worried that antibiotics will weaken her immune system (70% immunity in the good flora in the gut?)and may/may not be effective/necessary for the cough? hard to supplement with probiotics as she may/may not take a bottle.
please give your experience and advice. thanks
 

momtocrazel

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Hello. our 6 mo baby girl has a wet/"junky" sounding cough. pediatrician did recommend starting bactrum if cough did not significantly improve in a couple of days (this is after she had the cough a couple of days.) Total cough time 7-10days? we have been giving her albuterol since tues? 3-4x/day. it did seem to be getting better but not resolved. worse in the am, def not constant but bursts throughout day. not during sleep. i am just hesitant to start the antibiotics without signs of infection. mucous clear, no fever, appetite good. i am worried that antibiotics will weaken her immune system (70% immunity in the good flora in the gut?)and may/may not be effective/necessary for the cough? hard to supplement with probiotics as she may/may not take a bottle.
please give your experience and advice. thanks
 

momtocrazel

New member
Hello. our 6 mo baby girl has a wet/"junky" sounding cough. pediatrician did recommend starting bactrum if cough did not significantly improve in a couple of days (this is after she had the cough a couple of days.) Total cough time 7-10days? we have been giving her albuterol since tues? 3-4x/day. it did seem to be getting better but not resolved. worse in the am, def not constant but bursts throughout day. not during sleep. i am just hesitant to start the antibiotics without signs of infection. mucous clear, no fever, appetite good. i am worried that antibiotics will weaken her immune system (70% immunity in the good flora in the gut?)and may/may not be effective/necessary for the cough? hard to supplement with probiotics as she may/may not take a bottle.
<br />please give your experience and advice. thanks
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Mommafirst

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Once my daughter starting culturing staph in her lungs, our doctors wanted her to only cough 5 days before starting antibiotics. The idea was that when they have a cold and the mucus increases, it improves the situation for bacteria to multiply. Knowing she has staph in there, they want to minimize the opportunity for overgrowth.

So if you are seeing a cough lasting 7-10 days, you should contact your CF center for what they wish to do. My guess is its time for abx. Keep in mind that if you can knock them down easily with orals, it much preferred to letting them grow, create difficulties and lung damage, and not be treated for some time. Its very difficult as a new CF parent to retrain your brain regarding the use of antibiotics -- its just not the same as we'd choose for ourselves or non-CF kids.
 
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Mommafirst

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Once my daughter starting culturing staph in her lungs, our doctors wanted her to only cough 5 days before starting antibiotics. The idea was that when they have a cold and the mucus increases, it improves the situation for bacteria to multiply. Knowing she has staph in there, they want to minimize the opportunity for overgrowth.

So if you are seeing a cough lasting 7-10 days, you should contact your CF center for what they wish to do. My guess is its time for abx. Keep in mind that if you can knock them down easily with orals, it much preferred to letting them grow, create difficulties and lung damage, and not be treated for some time. Its very difficult as a new CF parent to retrain your brain regarding the use of antibiotics -- its just not the same as we'd choose for ourselves or non-CF kids.
 
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Mommafirst

Guest
Once my daughter starting culturing staph in her lungs, our doctors wanted her to only cough 5 days before starting antibiotics. The idea was that when they have a cold and the mucus increases, it improves the situation for bacteria to multiply. Knowing she has staph in there, they want to minimize the opportunity for overgrowth.
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<br />So if you are seeing a cough lasting 7-10 days, you should contact your CF center for what they wish to do. My guess is its time for abx. Keep in mind that if you can knock them down easily with orals, it much preferred to letting them grow, create difficulties and lung damage, and not be treated for some time. Its very difficult as a new CF parent to retrain your brain regarding the use of antibiotics -- its just not the same as we'd choose for ourselves or non-CF kids.
 

kitomd21

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You'll hear varying responses! Our first center advised abx after 3 days of coughing. Our current center is more aggressive and starts abx at the first sign of a cough. I worry about abx resistance if they are constantly on abx when they may be able to clear the cold/cough without them...however, I also understand the idea that there is more mucus which can lead to greater bacterial count and that it may be a good idea to jump start fighting off the cold and bacteria asap. Again, no absolutes between CF care centers and treatment approach - even if they are accredited!

Our daughter hasn't started hypertonic saline, but I do give her nebulized saline (x 20mins) when she has a cough. It's not as concentrated at HTS and it's a physiological concentration at that...it can't really hurt. Some added moisture during a cough is better than nothing.
 

kitomd21

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You'll hear varying responses! Our first center advised abx after 3 days of coughing. Our current center is more aggressive and starts abx at the first sign of a cough. I worry about abx resistance if they are constantly on abx when they may be able to clear the cold/cough without them...however, I also understand the idea that there is more mucus which can lead to greater bacterial count and that it may be a good idea to jump start fighting off the cold and bacteria asap. Again, no absolutes between CF care centers and treatment approach - even if they are accredited!

Our daughter hasn't started hypertonic saline, but I do give her nebulized saline (x 20mins) when she has a cough. It's not as concentrated at HTS and it's a physiological concentration at that...it can't really hurt. Some added moisture during a cough is better than nothing.
 

kitomd21

New member
You'll hear varying responses! Our first center advised abx after 3 days of coughing. Our current center is more aggressive and starts abx at the first sign of a cough. I worry about abx resistance if they are constantly on abx when they may be able to clear the cold/cough without them...however, I also understand the idea that there is more mucus which can lead to greater bacterial count and that it may be a good idea to jump start fighting off the cold and bacteria asap. Again, no absolutes between CF care centers and treatment approach - even if they are accredited!
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<br />Our daughter hasn't started hypertonic saline, but I do give her nebulized saline (x 20mins) when she has a cough. It's not as concentrated at HTS and it's a physiological concentration at that...it can't really hurt. Some added moisture during a cough is better than nothing.
 

hmw

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Emily has been able to recover from some mild colds on her own without any intervention, so I'm glad we don't start abx at the very first sign of a cough, but at the first sign of congestion or cough we increase vest and nebs. If this doesn't help and she is still coughing several days later I call her cf center and we decide what we are going to do about it. I call sooner if certain signs are present (shortness of breath, coughing up bloody sputum, big impact on overall qol); wait a little longer if she still has good energy levels and appetite and just doesn't seem that sick compared to her bad exacerbations.

In any case- we don't wait an extremely long time, not as long as I'd wait to call the ped if my boys were sick; it's a very different situation. With her being colonized with staph and the fact that it starts multiplying at the first sign of illness, and with having all that inflammation and thick mucus down there, we can't afford to let too much time pass before starting to treat it.

I would not be as concerned about abx weakening her immune system (I understand your point about the impact they have on beneficial gut flora, but they do not weaken the body's overall immune response) as I would be about infection causing permanent lung damage. Over time, you can figure out a way to get her to take probiotics (they can be mixed into a small quantity of soft food too, easier to ensure they are finished vs. giving in a bottle, or you can give in a small quantity of milk/formula when she is good and hungry and when she finishes it, the rest of what she normally drinks can be added.) My daughter takes a multi-strain probiotic as well, which we increase while she is on abx (fortunately she is old enough to swallow pills.) Upon advice of some other parents here who use them, we give them to her several hours apart from when she takes the abx.
 

hmw

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Emily has been able to recover from some mild colds on her own without any intervention, so I'm glad we don't start abx at the very first sign of a cough, but at the first sign of congestion or cough we increase vest and nebs. If this doesn't help and she is still coughing several days later I call her cf center and we decide what we are going to do about it. I call sooner if certain signs are present (shortness of breath, coughing up bloody sputum, big impact on overall qol); wait a little longer if she still has good energy levels and appetite and just doesn't seem that sick compared to her bad exacerbations.

In any case- we don't wait an extremely long time, not as long as I'd wait to call the ped if my boys were sick; it's a very different situation. With her being colonized with staph and the fact that it starts multiplying at the first sign of illness, and with having all that inflammation and thick mucus down there, we can't afford to let too much time pass before starting to treat it.

I would not be as concerned about abx weakening her immune system (I understand your point about the impact they have on beneficial gut flora, but they do not weaken the body's overall immune response) as I would be about infection causing permanent lung damage. Over time, you can figure out a way to get her to take probiotics (they can be mixed into a small quantity of soft food too, easier to ensure they are finished vs. giving in a bottle, or you can give in a small quantity of milk/formula when she is good and hungry and when she finishes it, the rest of what she normally drinks can be added.) My daughter takes a multi-strain probiotic as well, which we increase while she is on abx (fortunately she is old enough to swallow pills.) Upon advice of some other parents here who use them, we give them to her several hours apart from when she takes the abx.
 

hmw

New member
Emily has been able to recover from some mild colds on her own without any intervention, so I'm glad we don't start abx at the very first sign of a cough, but at the first sign of congestion or cough we increase vest and nebs. If this doesn't help and she is still coughing several days later I call her cf center and we decide what we are going to do about it. I call sooner if certain signs are present (shortness of breath, coughing up bloody sputum, big impact on overall qol); wait a little longer if she still has good energy levels and appetite and just doesn't seem that sick compared to her bad exacerbations.
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<br />In any case- we don't wait an extremely long time, not as long as I'd wait to call the ped if my boys were sick; it's a very different situation. With her being colonized with staph and the fact that it starts multiplying at the first sign of illness, and with having all that inflammation and thick mucus down there, we can't afford to let too much time pass before starting to treat it.
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<br />I would not be as concerned about abx weakening her immune system (I understand your point about the impact they have on beneficial gut flora, but they do not weaken the body's overall immune response) as I would be about infection causing permanent lung damage. Over time, you can figure out a way to get her to take probiotics (they can be mixed into a small quantity of soft food too, easier to ensure they are finished vs. giving in a bottle, or you can give in a small quantity of milk/formula when she is good and hungry and when she finishes it, the rest of what she normally drinks can be added.) My daughter takes a multi-strain probiotic as well, which we increase while she is on abx (fortunately she is old enough to swallow pills.) Upon advice of some other parents here who use them, we give them to her several hours apart from when she takes the abx.
 

chrissyd

New member
I know this is a question for me, but...

I'm 33 with CF and have been on Bactrim (my study drug) since being diagnosed at 21. I take 3 to 4 breaks a year, as long as I feel healthy.

I just figured I'd mention it b/c everyone is always concerned about long term antibiotic use. I do have antibiotics that I double up with when I get really sick. My lung function is pretty good, my most recent is in the 80's.

My daughter does not have CF, but if she has been coughing for a week with out a change in mucus color it is usually allergies (sinus drainage). B/c I have CF we are extremely careful with infections in this house whether it is her or my hubby or even visitors, so when ever her doc suggests antibiotics we do it.

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chrissyd

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I know this is a question for me, but...

I'm 33 with CF and have been on Bactrim (my study drug) since being diagnosed at 21. I take 3 to 4 breaks a year, as long as I feel healthy.

I just figured I'd mention it b/c everyone is always concerned about long term antibiotic use. I do have antibiotics that I double up with when I get really sick. My lung function is pretty good, my most recent is in the 80's.

My daughter does not have CF, but if she has been coughing for a week with out a change in mucus color it is usually allergies (sinus drainage). B/c I have CF we are extremely careful with infections in this house whether it is her or my hubby or even visitors, so when ever her doc suggests antibiotics we do it.

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chrissyd

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I know this is a question for me, but...
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<br />I'm 33 with CF and have been on Bactrim (my study drug) since being diagnosed at 21. I take 3 to 4 breaks a year, as long as I feel healthy.
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<br />I just figured I'd mention it b/c everyone is always concerned about long term antibiotic use. I do have antibiotics that I double up with when I get really sick. My lung function is pretty good, my most recent is in the 80's.
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<br />My daughter does not have CF, but if she has been coughing for a week with out a change in mucus color it is usually allergies (sinus drainage). B/c I have CF we are extremely careful with infections in this house whether it is her or my hubby or even visitors, so when ever her doc suggests antibiotics we do it.
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petnurse

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My son is 18 months. He is put on Bactrim or Augmentin usually within days of coughing because he cultures staph. We don't want to take the chance of having that grow out of control.
 

petnurse

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My son is 18 months. He is put on Bactrim or Augmentin usually within days of coughing because he cultures staph. We don't want to take the chance of having that grow out of control.
 

petnurse

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My son is 18 months. He is put on Bactrim or Augmentin usually within days of coughing because he cultures staph. We don't want to take the chance of having that grow out of control.
 

Ratatosk

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Staff member
With DS we were told to learn his cough. With the wet junkier, bronchial type of cough we're told to call right away and as always, increase cpt/vest treatments to "beat that cough out of him".

When he was 2 months old he had a harsh cough and kept throwing up his formula. I'd taken him to the local peds clinic for a 2 month check and the doctor is also head of the local cf clinic. When I asked about the cough, I was told "they (meaning people wcf) cough, it's what they do". A couple weeks later we were in the city for a recheck with our primary cf doctor and pretty much got yelled at because DS had bronchitis and didn't we know he could end up back in the hospital. Increased treatments, a couple abx and he was fine. So to this day, I don't rely on the local peds or cf doctors even though the latter SHOULD know what to listen for.
 

Ratatosk

Administrator
Staff member
With DS we were told to learn his cough. With the wet junkier, bronchial type of cough we're told to call right away and as always, increase cpt/vest treatments to "beat that cough out of him".

When he was 2 months old he had a harsh cough and kept throwing up his formula. I'd taken him to the local peds clinic for a 2 month check and the doctor is also head of the local cf clinic. When I asked about the cough, I was told "they (meaning people wcf) cough, it's what they do". A couple weeks later we were in the city for a recheck with our primary cf doctor and pretty much got yelled at because DS had bronchitis and didn't we know he could end up back in the hospital. Increased treatments, a couple abx and he was fine. So to this day, I don't rely on the local peds or cf doctors even though the latter SHOULD know what to listen for.
 
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