I consider water sterile when it has rolling boiled (top off) for 15 minutes. Then I use it immediately. I find the base of my Pari LC Plus' need a shot with the air compressor hose to get the water out of the small tube. My goal is for my nebs to only be wet for 30 min. Any longer and I'd worry about what Amy wrote, that the water was become non sterile on the neb and creating a breeding ground for bacteria. Prior to the rinse in sterile water I soak all neb parts in 3% hydrogen peroxide for 30 min. I have noticed steadier health since starting this routine a few years back.
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How long is boiled water sterile?
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chantelfox
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I have the EFlow, but I was having the same problem as you. So basically, the Colistin didn't seem to work for me and cleaning the EFlow (sterily) was more trouble than it was worth. I ALWAYS had to worry that the thing was ACTUALLY sterile, despite my efforts. The problem is that I work a 50+ hour a week job, I am up at 5 am just to get my meds done. I didn't have time to boil the water twice a day, let it cool and clean it and everything they expect you to do with it. So I boiled a bunch of tap water at one time (about a gallon) and kept it in some airtight juice pitchers (that I sterilized with alcohol at first). That was the best I could do, but it didn't even last a month before it got old and I went back to my Tobi in my Pari.
PS...This all just happened. I stopped it a few days ago and went back on Tobi. I still look at the EFLow everyday and think "there must be a better way."
PS...This all just happened. I stopped it a few days ago and went back on Tobi. I still look at the EFLow everyday and think "there must be a better way."
chantelfox
New member
I have the EFlow, but I was having the same problem as you. So basically, the Colistin didn't seem to work for me and cleaning the EFlow (sterily) was more trouble than it was worth. I ALWAYS had to worry that the thing was ACTUALLY sterile, despite my efforts. The problem is that I work a 50+ hour a week job, I am up at 5 am just to get my meds done. I didn't have time to boil the water twice a day, let it cool and clean it and everything they expect you to do with it. So I boiled a bunch of tap water at one time (about a gallon) and kept it in some airtight juice pitchers (that I sterilized with alcohol at first). That was the best I could do, but it didn't even last a month before it got old and I went back to my Tobi in my Pari.
PS...This all just happened. I stopped it a few days ago and went back on Tobi. I still look at the EFLow everyday and think "there must be a better way."
PS...This all just happened. I stopped it a few days ago and went back on Tobi. I still look at the EFLow everyday and think "there must be a better way."
chantelfox
New member
I have the EFlow, but I was having the same problem as you. So basically, the Colistin didn't seem to work for me and cleaning the EFlow (sterily) was more trouble than it was worth. I ALWAYS had to worry that the thing was ACTUALLY sterile, despite my efforts. The problem is that I work a 50+ hour a week job, I am up at 5 am just to get my meds done. I didn't have time to boil the water twice a day, let it cool and clean it and everything they expect you to do with it. So I boiled a bunch of tap water at one time (about a gallon) and kept it in some airtight juice pitchers (that I sterilized with alcohol at first). That was the best I could do, but it didn't even last a month before it got old and I went back to my Tobi in my Pari.
PS...This all just happened. I stopped it a few days ago and went back on Tobi. I still look at the EFLow everyday and think "there must be a better way."
PS...This all just happened. I stopped it a few days ago and went back on Tobi. I still look at the EFLow everyday and think "there must be a better way."
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.
Amy,
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
As I see it, I'm using even stricter cleaning practices anyway. But, that's a moot point now as I found some clearer and better directions for cleaning the eflow.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf">http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf</a>
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
As I see it, I'm using even stricter cleaning practices anyway. But, that's a moot point now as I found some clearer and better directions for cleaning the eflow.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf">http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf</a>
Amy,
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
As I see it, I'm using even stricter cleaning practices anyway. But, that's a moot point now as I found some clearer and better directions for cleaning the eflow.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf">http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf</a>
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
As I see it, I'm using even stricter cleaning practices anyway. But, that's a moot point now as I found some clearer and better directions for cleaning the eflow.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf">http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf</a>
Amy,
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
As I see it, I'm using even stricter cleaning practices anyway. But, that's a moot point now as I found some clearer and better directions for cleaning the eflow.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf">http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf</a>
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
As I see it, I'm using even stricter cleaning practices anyway. But, that's a moot point now as I found some clearer and better directions for cleaning the eflow.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf">http://foundcare.com/Documents/CleaningInstructions.pdf</a>
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>
thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>
just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.
i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.
there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>
thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>
just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.
i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.
there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>
thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>
just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.
i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.
there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>
thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>
just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.
i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.
there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>
thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>
just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.
i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.
there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.
This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?
Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>
thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>
just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.
i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.
there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>
Amy,
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
</end quote></div>
PARI's website still says that. PARI doesn't just make nebs for CFers. They make nebs for other patients where bacteria isnt' such an issue.
That's why it's important to follow the CFF's instructions on cleaning nebs instead of PARI's.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cff.org/ID=4441/TYPE=1708/StoppingSpreadGerms.pdf
">http://www.cff.org/ID=4441/TYP...oppingSpreadGerms.pdf
</a>
Amy,
I relize that. But for a long time those were the instructions for cleaning pari nebs (I'm not even sure they have changed.) You only had to boil them once a week. The important thing, they alwasy stressed, was just to make sure it was dry (after it had been washed w/ soap and water).
</end quote></div>
PARI's website still says that. PARI doesn't just make nebs for CFers. They make nebs for other patients where bacteria isnt' such an issue.
That's why it's important to follow the CFF's instructions on cleaning nebs instead of PARI's.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cff.org/ID=4441/TYPE=1708/StoppingSpreadGerms.pdf
">http://www.cff.org/ID=4441/TYP...oppingSpreadGerms.pdf
</a>