I found something that might help other CF's

Faust

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Ok, i'm new here, and i'll try and keep this as concise as possible and still get the information across that has extremely helped me (for the most part, I feel it has so far reversed a good deal of my CF symptoms), and I feel might be able to help other CF patients.


I am a 34 year old cystic man living in the Tampa FL area. I have been involved in the CF community (not so much since capacea hit the scene) for a long time, involved in CF summer camps, hung out with and kept in touch with other CF's from my area and the camps, knew them all, was also a councelor for a few years at the cf camps, etc. Out of the original 65 or 70 of us from that era (I started going to them when I was like 13 or so), there are about 3 of us left now, including myself. I am currently on disability (fathers social security), but due to my current change of events health wise, i'm seriously contemplating reentering the work force full time in the security industry.

I, like many CF's went through the same constant regimen of do all my meds as instructed and generally live a lifestyle thats conducive to good health, try not to get sick, get sick anyways, either be on home IV's pumped with antibiotics, or be in the hospital for 2 weeks or fewer. The end result was always that I'd feel clear for a few weeks to a couple months, and then of course be chunky again and much of my day was taken up with exercising and clearance to get rid of this toxic waste in my chest. The last time I had a flare up, it was much more than an exacerbation, I was apparently deathly ill. My lung capacity, which when healthy would normally be around 100%, sometimes more than 100%. This time my nose filled up, trickled into my chest, spread throughout my chest, my ears completely sealed up to the point I could barely hear, and my lung capacity went down to 50% (pretty dramatic drop when you are normally 100%).

I went into the hospital and went through the typical regimen, of basically being nuked with antibiotics, and constant use of the thairapy vest. I was released after 6 days because now, a 2 week stay unless you are literally about to die, is unheard of here, they want to make room for other patients I guess. Then 2 more weeks of IV therapy and oral antibiotics at home. I still couldnt get rid of what was in my chest, and then they told me i had "an unidentified organism in my culture". I was scared to death. I got home and was determined to get myself off this constant regimen of sick/nuke, sick/nuke, sick/nuke, maybe make resistant strains, rinse and repeat.

I was looking through all kinds of natural substances and supplements online and in scientific/hollistic periodicals and still didn't come up with much that appeared to be able to help my disease. Surprisingly my hippy sister asked me if i had ever heard of oil of oregano. I said no, and thought it was BS (apparently like many others do, and im sure some will here also). She told me it did this and that, and sounded like even more BS. I started to do my own research, and found out that it is considered the king of natural antimicrobials, and is an extremely strong antioxidant. I did more research. And more research. Trying to find the total BS factor that had to be hidden somewhere. I couldn't find anything besides strong testimonials from others with all types of health problems, and most importantly, actual clinical research and even patient trial research regarding this substance.

I found a brand that from what I know of, is the only brand that was involved in these actual studies, and appeared to be of very high quality. It is a VERY potent antimicrobial, including fungus, viruses, and of course whats most important to us, bacteria, including Pseydomonas aeruginosa. On top of that, i found out oregano oil is also 3 or 4 times stronger of an antioxidant than blueberry juice (thought to be one of the strongest).

I started taking the oil of oregano under my tongue, twice a day. Then in addition to that, I started nebulizing a few drops with my morning albuterol, and then my normal colistin. And then at night my regular battery of aerosols which include the typical albuterol, pulmozyme, and colistin. Followed by two gel capsules of oil of oregano before bed.

Let me also tell you, that I was told by my ENT that I should have nasal surgery the next time I got sick, so I was also on several drugs to try and keep my nasal area in good health. After a day or so I got very tired, which when I looked it up it said the reason for this was that the oil of oregano was killing off tons of bugs, yeast, fungus in my system and im filled with their remains. Within about 3 or 4 days I started to feel extremely better. What used to be cracks pops and wheezing while I slept was 100% gone (attested to by my fiancee), and within a week my lungs were 100% clear...Something that never took place before, because I would always have some form of crap to cough up, thick green crap.

I became a little excited about this, and posted it on one of the first CF forums I found @ http://www.cftrust.org.uk/scope/page/view.go?layout=cftrust&pageid=169 (a UK site, under the adult cystic forum)

I was met with high skepticism, and paranoia, mostly them thinking i had some self interest in the particular brand I was talking about, as in me trying to sell something. Just like them I can assure you I have no underlying purpose in this post or that post for personal gain, aside from trying to help others with a nasty disease, with something that might help them as it has helped me. I'm sure some won't believe this, but it's the truth.


Like I told the cystics in England, PLEASE do your own research, and consult your doctor before partaking in any form of supplement. Don't take my anecdotal results as the word of god, there are good deals of research out there dealing with oil of oregano, and even a second supplement i take monolaurin (similar properties to oregano oil), be skeptical all you want, but please do yourself a favor and turn that skepticism into healthy curiosity and DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

In my opinion, the problem with many doctors is that all they are taught to do, is deal with microbials with antibiotics, and we have way overused and abused them in this country and it disrupts our natural balance in our body, not to mention contributes to making very nasty resistant strains (ive seen atleast two CF's die in this way) that kick our butts.

All of the links I will link are cited research conducted by health care professionals, doctors, etc. One page in particular that has collected a very good deal of the research results in PDF form does have a personal interest in people buying their product (which was the one that was tested), so i'm stating that right now. It would be like if one company made penicilin, and they posted real truthful research of how penicilin kills bacteria on their website that sells penicilin.


Here is the product that I have been taking, again, no personal underlying or $$$ interest to me whatsoever which brand anyone takes if they decide to do so after they researched it themselves, and talked to their doctor about it, i'm just amazed at the substance in general, and think it can really act to either limit hospitalizations, increase the time between visits, or possibly all out get rid of hospitalizations by keeping the bacterial count way low in the cystics lungs:

(I take the Oreganol P74 liquid and gel caps) http://www.p-73.com/cdoreganol.htm

Here is a very good FAQ on Oreganol P73. I personally cross referenced all of their scientific research findings through the other sources, they are legit, but as i said, please do what I did, take 30 mins of your time, and do the same: http://www.thepowermall.com/oreganoproducts/faq.htm#1

Here is a link to the research page and periodical page of the company that makes Oregano P73. The research is all in PDF format, and you can read what particular research they were doing. On this page you will find in Vitro, In Vivo, and human studies showing the efficacy of oil of oregano on microbes. Please do yourself a favor and read through their findings. As stated before, in the FAQ link i provided, there is other research cited such as Georgetown university medical center, and other accredited organizations, please look into those also: http://www.p-73.com/cdresearch.htm


I have also been taking another antimicrobial supplement to accompany my daily oregano oil. I also have zero personal gain with regards to this product, the reason why I chose this product is because it was the only one I could find from a seemingly reputable company that in a 500mg capsule, all others I found via google were 300mg capsules, and the therapeutic doseage for monolaurin is like 1500-2800mg per day, so i didnt want to end up taking more than say 6 capsules daily (some concise information on the product is also on the link):
http://www.smartnutrition.info/info-monolaurin.htm

Also if you will notice, in a couple of the studies done in vitro from the link I provided, monolaurin and oregano oil were studied separately to determine how potent they were against microbes. They both did very well by themselves, sometimes as strong or stronger than many standard antibiotics. But when combined, against several organisms, their efficacy was dramatically increased. monolaurin is a monoglyceride that primarily comes from coconut oil, coconut products, and is found in breast milk (the good lord or nature's way of starting our children off strong with resistance to nasty bugs).

I have personally been taking 3 capsules of this monolaurin product with my first meal, and then 3 at night with a final snack for a total of 3000mg per day. Aside from my CF symptoms (lungs and sinuses in general) apparently reversing, my gout symptoms are gone as well. I like to partake in beer occasionally on weekends with some friends, and i suppose now that i'm an older cystic, the uric acid in beer wasn't metabolizing properly in my system anymore, which lead to gout. I had to take allopurinol and another gout drug to protect me from gout attacks, and I still always had a very tender/sore big left toe. Now, even after drinking some beer twice a week or so, I no longer even have a tender toe, period.



In summation, I know this was long, but I wanted to introduce myself and explain what I am using, and how am I using it, and explain my history with this horrible disease. As I have said many times, PLEASE do your own research, have some healthy skepticism. I'm only going from what has worked for me, and I just feel marvelous. I don't cough anymore, i'm clear as a bell (literally nothing there), my sleep at night isn't interupted by wheezing, cracking, and I no longer have a need for my thairapy vest (used to use it a few times a week). And I haven't had a lung bleed since i've been on this. The very few bits of mucous that I can bring up (maybe once or twice a week in very trace amounts) is very thin, and very light green. My nose also doesn't run like a waterfall when I wake up either.


A silver bullet against CF? Who knows. If you finally choose to start taking this as a supplement, it might have no effect on you, or it could do the same thing to you as it's been doing to me, which is making me feel great, and will finally allow me to return to work. Only a very long period of time will finally assure me that this is what is indeed responsible for my health now, but coming up on almost two months, I am still symptom free.


If anyone would like to talk to me in greater detail, my yahoo messenger name is faust227, and my email is viewable via my profile (though i get a ton of spam and might delete what you send me, not knowing its not spam)


Also I recommend taking a good quality probiotic formula to make sure your good flora stay healthy and in good quantity. While these two products have been shown to generally avoid the "good" bacteria in someones system (hail evolution), a good probiotic would generally make sure nothing goes wrong, and would help to ensure your digestive system stays healthy anyways, which is a large component of CF.


Remember regret is the most expensive thing of all. I'm sure if I could dig up a couple of my CF friends who i've lost, set the clock back 10 years or so so they still have lung function, and offered them the possibility that something might help keep their bugs down, they would jump at the chance. One last time, do your own research, and talk to your doctor. But due to doctors only relying on antibiotics to take care of everything, they might automatically call it BS (unless you are lucky and have a doctor who is aware of what many natural substances can do). A great quote that makes me think of doctors "If all you have in your tool box is a hammer, everything starts to look like nails".

My personal info: 34, 5'11, 205 lbs. Last check (not since using these substances) had two different strains of PA, one was resistant to tobramycin. The doc has genotyped me and told me I have two mutations with regards to my CF gene. I've always been very active growing up, and for a long time now have always taken general supplements to help my CF. I've been into lifting weights and exercise for a long time now. I was very sickly in my teens (almost died twice), but leveled out in my 20's. In my 20's I went through a large irresponsible phase of heavy drinking, and partying in general that took its toll on me. I now try and stay out of smoky places, and while i'm not a germ freak, I am aware of microbes in general. I wasn't able to shake the crap I still had in my chest after my last hospitalization till i started to nebulize this substance.


Take care, stay healthy, and I look to post here more often. And I'll answer any questions relating to my use of this substance that anyone has.
 

Faust

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Wow that was long lol. Sorry about that, but I felt I needed to get out as much information about myself and my history and everything else as I could. On another note, Thyme oil has been shown to be another very strong antimicrobial, though I haven't ever taken any myself in any form. I forgot to mention that I used to have some chronic acne on my back, not just small zits, but pretty nasty large zits that try to turn into blood filled sebaceous cysts, which was a pain literally to try and stop them from turning solid. I also had a cyst appear on my brain stem (found on a CT scan when I was experiencing bad headaches), thankfully it went away. 95% of my back nasties are gone, with only a small area to the bottom right (near the back love handle) still present. I've been using tea tree oil topically on my back for a little while now, and now it's nearly totally cleared up. Tea tree oil should never be ingested, because it has some pretty adverse affects on people when taken internally, but topically it's an amazing oil also. It's extremely power at disinfecting the skin, and also has aromatic healing properties. Look into that as well if you have any skin problems.


Take care, nice to meet you all, gonna grab a bite to eat, catch a movie and watch the hockey game, I hope my information turns out to be some help to someone.
 

CFHockeyMom

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Welcome Sean.

I haven't tried Tea Tree Oil myself but it does come highly recommended from the "acne community". I've got quite a few on-line friends that have used it with great success in fighting acne.

No worries Sean, I don't think anyone here will crucify you for recommending a natural product.

What hockey game were you watching?
 

Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>CFHockeyMom</b></i><br>Welcome Sean.



I haven't tried Tea Tree Oil myself but it does come highly recommended from the "acne community". I've got quite a few on-line friends that have used it with great success in fighting acne.



No worries Sean, I don't think anyone here will crucify you for recommending a natural product.



What hockey game were you watching?<hr></blockquote>


The lightning/Devils game...Lived in Tampa since I was like 4, been a huge lightning fan since they came into the league with Ottawa, suffered through all the horrible laughingstock seasons, then they won it all <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> (I was outside on the concourse for the final game 7 vs calgary, literally crying like a little girl lol).


Anyways with regards to the info I posted, many essential oils have amazing healing properties, and some can be harmful (some even downright carcinogenic in nature). If you research them and apply them properly, they can do wondrous things for you. I am still shocked at what oil of oregano has done for me.

Oil of oregano by itself has been shown to drop peoples viral loads 80% or more in people with hepatitis C, and other viruses. The stuff is amazing. I personally feel that either nature or the lord (whatever you believe in) put everything here for us on earth to use, and any of our problems can be helped/cured via natural things on earth with us. If we weren't so into slashing and burning the rain forest, we could have possibly found a cure for cancer by now.

To me anything that can keep your bugs in your lungs/sinuses at bay, if it doesnt have any adverse side effects, use it now while you still have decent lung function, before it's too late.
 

tommy

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hi sean,welcome to the forum.  sounds like you have had great results w/ that oregano.  I myself think some of these alternative things are well worth looking into and i might just give some of those things a try.  so that other forum really grilled you on the subject eh? haha
 

julie

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I chatted this topic up a bit with my husband tonight (only because I know nothing about herbals and such and he has been in the health food business for more than a decade now) and he agreed with what you posted, but mentioned to me and I thought it was worth repeating, that the only thing iffy right now is the dosage amount that is effective. I read through (best I could) what you posted and might have missed if there have been any updates to that one concern..... if so, please do enlighten me.

So, keeping that in mind, the only way that we as a CF community could determine that it is effective is if we were to push for testing of it just like some of us did for curcumin (sp??). Contact the CFF, talk to your CF doctor about it at every visit.

Just my two cents.

Oh, and welcome to the site Sean, I hope you enjoy yourself and find lots of new friends here!
 

Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>julie</b></i><br>I chatted this topic up a bit with my husband tonight (only because I know nothing about herbals and such and he has been in the health food business for more than a decade now) and he agreed with what you posted, but mentioned to me and I thought it was worth repeating, that the only thing iffy right now is the dosage amount that is effective. I read through (best I could) what you posted and might have missed if there have been any updates to that one concern..... if so, please do enlighten me.



So, keeping that in mind, the only way that we as a CF community could determine that it is effective is if we were to push for testing of it just like some of us did for curcumin (sp??). Contact the CFF, talk to your CF doctor about it at every visit.



Just my two cents.


People need to research the substance on their own, and yes the dosage is generally up in the air. The one big dosage chart that this particular product warrants is dosage restrictions with regards to young children. You can find under question #9 the whole recommended dosage for children under 10.


I'm glad others took the time to read my post. I only posted that information, to potentially help others with CF. I can only wish them the best...I am personally enjoying a lifestyle that wont be called a "CF" lifestyle...What i stumbled on, in my view, is a difference....period. Grats all.




Oh, and welcome to the site Sean, I hope you enjoy yourself and find lots of new friends here!<hr></blockquote>
 

anonymous

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I hope this does prove to be beneficial.
My only thing with doing official studies on something is if they find it to be hugely sucessful, then the price of it (oil of oregano) or curcumin (sp) will sky rocket. Especially if they design it in a drug/pill form that you need a Rx for.
I have a friend that has been doing Colistin for years and then when it was discovered that it could be beneficial for CF's, the price of that stuff went from like $600 a month to what it is now. I don't use it, so I'm not sure what the price is now but I was thinking conservatively $3000 or so??
 

Faust

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Yeah suckily enough, that's how life works. If Nightline did a special on how a cheap, readily available pill gave the sensation of an orgasm, that stuff would go from .10 cents a pill to 100 dollars a pill overnight. Supply and demand sucks.
 

Faust

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Just thought I would add this bit. Out of the blue I felt like checking my blood pressure (have two devices here to check, one more manual, and one fully electronic). I used to always float around 140/80ish, give or take a digit here or there. I checked it (I did it like 3 times throughout that day) and I was 120/60ish...Cant recall exactly, but it was like 123/62 or something like that. No idea if this has helped drop my blood pressure, but if it's an added bonus, go me!
 

anonymous

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Why do you take both supplements if they do about the same thing? What does your cf doc think of these supplements? Thanks. Becky in Mich
 

Faust

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I take both just to have three approaches. One digestive via caps, one straight to the lungs, and one dose under the tongue to go straight into the blood. I hacen't seen my doc since my last botched cleanout hospital visit. Next time I see him, I will let him now.
 

cfgirl38

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Thanks. That would be great. I was also curious does your doc know you nebulize this? Sorry for all the questions. Thanks. <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

Faust

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I havent seen my doc since that last botched cleanup attempt. He is a great CF doc, but just like 99% of them, they feel the solution to everything is massive antibiotics. I won't hide anything from him when I go for another checkup (no desire to go now, I feel fine), and I will tell him all I am doing. Considering how I feel, I doubt there is anything he could say to change my mind. considering im crystal clear, my PFT's would be extremely high. Remember guys, just because they are doctors doesn't mean they are gods. Most of them are trained to think within one philosophy, and to many of them, the thought of pursuing anything that is natural is preposterous. Out of all the CF's i've known, the ones that have lived the longest didn't just take any drug the docs wanted them to take, they researched it themselves, looked for possible alternatives if it was real nasty, etc.


Don't get me wrong, I generally abide by most of the conventional treatments for our disease, but i've learned long ago not to just take anything they throw your way.
 

Grendel

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Davis,

Does the oil nebulize well? How much do you use and does it slightly irritate your lungs like hypertionic solution?

Thanks.
 

Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Grendel</b></i><br>Davis,



Does the oil nebulize well? How much do you use and does it slightly irritate your lungs like hypertionic solution?



Thanks.<hr></blockquote>

The oil doesn't nebulize as well as i'd like it to. But then again remember, i'm adding a few drops of pure oil to one dose of albuterol. Albuterol is water based. I've toyed with thoughts of adding more virgin oilive oil, but said no to that idea. If I really want to nebulize whats left in my albuterol nebulizer, I just go get some sterile water, and put a decent push into that cup, and finish it off. As for irritation, I don't take hypertonic, so I can't comment on that. I'm not going to lie, oil of oregano (regardless what brand you use), the substance is thick and can be a fairly strong irritant. It's up to you, if you have relatively healthy lungs (key term = relatively), and how generally sensitive you are to potential irritants. The oil is strong, the oil has an immediate slight heat sensation (killing off bacteria, like gargling with peroxide), but there is only a small amount of time you might feel some form of "what the hell was that crap in my mouth?!?!". I'm fully used to it now, and due to me taking an aerosol format, and two gelcaps, and monolaurin, I rarely take the oil under the tongue anymore.

The only point of me telling others about how i've reacted to this substance, was only in the sake of relaying information, and potentially helping others that have the same evil disease that I do. I have no idea if you will have the same reactions that I have had. I have no idea if this product will help you. Don't invest your lifesavings into downing a ton of oregano oil caps and oil of oregano hoping you will cure your CF. I can only discuss what it has done for me, and what products I have taken. Do your own research, talk to your doctors (though that might be a moot points), and make the decision to either use or not use oil of oregano. For myself, it has been a godsend. It s reaction in my body has been nothing short of miraculous so far. I personally want to see CF human patient trials with regards to inhaled and ingested treatments.

These things require a TON of money. And who normally fronts the money for patient trials? You guessed it, the drug companies do, because they want to stumble upon a viagra like drug that wins everyone who works for that company the lottery. Plants/herbs can't be patented. The big drug companies can try their best at synthesizing the properties of certain plants and herbs, but it's been well shown that during that process, many of the medicinal properties of the plant/herb go innocuous (turn to poop/dont work/neutralize).


It sucks that this is how life is, but if you really care about prolonging your life, and treating your body like a temple, other than letting most doctors treat it like a public urinal, you will do your own research and make your own decisions. I'm not speaking about oil of oregano in general, i'm speaking about letting others control your health, and life. Don't be a donkey with a carrot on a string in front of your maw. If you happen to die because of many factors, and you tried your best, you tried your best. If you happened to die because of lack of self care, apathy, and lack of knowlege, that's a horrble way to die, and i personally refuse to die that way.
 

Grendel

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SeanDavis,

Could you email me so we can discuss this more, as far as what to take and when, etc. I think I may try this next time I have some disposiable income.

lbstillwell@yahoo.com

Thanks.
 

anonymous

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Hi Sean,


I have a little four year old girl with CF who is on antibiotics at least six times a year for chronic staph infections (causing her to cough a lot and feel sick and tired). I would really like to try the oral oil of oregano (small gel caps) for her to see if it would help. Do you have any idea if it is safe to take with antibiotics or should we wait til she's done this prescription and see if it might help prevent the staph from returning?

My husband swears by the stuff for colds and so on; I find it helps somewhat. I would love to find something that would stop the staph from returning. And I am getting worried about resistance, since she is not responding to some antibiotics that used to work. Plus, if staph is causing her this much trouble (she has digestive issues and a polyp as well), then I don't want to imagine pseudomonas!!

This is my first post here; I've been reading on this forum for a few months - it is a great place for info and support.

Thank you!!

Jenny (mommy to Chrissy,4, w/CF
 

Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>Hi Sean,





I have a little four year old girl with CF who is on antibiotics at least six times a year for chronic staph infections (causing her to cough a lot and feel sick and tired). I would really like to try the oral oil of oregano (small gel caps) for her to see if it would help. Do you have any idea if it is safe to take with antibiotics or should we wait til she's done this prescription and see if it might help prevent the staph from returning?



My husband swears by the stuff for colds and so on; I find it helps somewhat. I would love to find something that would stop the staph from returning. And I am getting worried about resistance, since she is not responding to some antibiotics that used to work. Plus, if staph is causing her this much trouble (she has digestive issues and a polyp as well), then I don't want to imagine pseudomonas!!



This is my first post here; I've been reading on this forum for a few months - it is a great place for info and support.



Thank you!!



Jenny (mommy to Chrissy,4, w/CF<hr></blockquote>


I would say wait for her current treatment to run out, and use the oil of oregano after to keep her staph count down/stop it from coming back. Thats the main principle behind oil of oregano. You can use it topically on her feet and chest. 4 is a little young, but the FAQ i linked in this post from the powermall has dosing suggestions with regards to the childs age and amount of stuff to use and how, i recommend you guys read it, it has a ton of useful information about the oil. I'm sure you can use one drop twice a day in her juice for like 7-10 days as a natural antimicrobial, then wait a week, and do it again, etc. You can also put a drop or two into some hot water and let her inhale some of the steam. Read the FAQ though for exact dosing recommendations for her age and how to apply it. At the very least, you can rub some into her chest and onto her feet for congestion.


As far as those wanting to talk to me, i'm more than happy to, but I receive so much spam, I can easily lose peoples emails, the best way to talk to me would be in real time. Download yahoo messenger and add me, my name is Faust227. I'd be more than happy to discuss anything with you.
 
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