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Mockingbird

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Okay so they made it more difficult to declare bankruptcy. I don't see why that's so horrible. I'm sure bankruptcy fraud results in huge losses for hospitals. If there's less bankruptcy fraud, maybe helthcare costs will go down, did you ever think of that?
 
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Mockingbird

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Okay so they made it more difficult to declare bankruptcy. I don't see why that's so horrible. I'm sure bankruptcy fraud results in huge losses for hospitals. If there's less bankruptcy fraud, maybe helthcare costs will go down, did you ever think of that?
 
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Mockingbird

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Okay so they made it more difficult to declare bankruptcy. I don't see why that's so horrible. I'm sure bankruptcy fraud results in huge losses for hospitals. If there's less bankruptcy fraud, maybe helthcare costs will go down, did you ever think of that?
 
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Mockingbird

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Okay so they made it more difficult to declare bankruptcy. I don't see why that's so horrible. I'm sure bankruptcy fraud results in huge losses for hospitals. If there's less bankruptcy fraud, maybe helthcare costs will go down, did you ever think of that?
 
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Mockingbird

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Okay so they made it more difficult to declare bankruptcy. I don't see why that's so horrible. I'm sure bankruptcy fraud results in huge losses for hospitals. If there's less bankruptcy fraud, maybe helthcare costs will go down, did you ever think of that?
 
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Scottius

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Did I ever think of that? Yes.

It has been five years since this has passed and have you seen health care costs go down? Nope. They have skyrocketed. Now I'm sure someone could make the argument that they would have gone even higher, so feel free to do so. But the fact that it continues to soar indicates medical bankruptcy may not be the big culprit behind it.

Those who go bankrupt due to irresponsible spending should have tougher bankruptcy laws. Those who go to bankruptcy due to legitimate medical catastrophe should not. And why should those who get hit with astronomically high medical bills be in the same category as frauds? Go after the frauds instead.
 
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Scottius

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Did I ever think of that? Yes.

It has been five years since this has passed and have you seen health care costs go down? Nope. They have skyrocketed. Now I'm sure someone could make the argument that they would have gone even higher, so feel free to do so. But the fact that it continues to soar indicates medical bankruptcy may not be the big culprit behind it.

Those who go bankrupt due to irresponsible spending should have tougher bankruptcy laws. Those who go to bankruptcy due to legitimate medical catastrophe should not. And why should those who get hit with astronomically high medical bills be in the same category as frauds? Go after the frauds instead.
 
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Scottius

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Did I ever think of that? Yes.

It has been five years since this has passed and have you seen health care costs go down? Nope. They have skyrocketed. Now I'm sure someone could make the argument that they would have gone even higher, so feel free to do so. But the fact that it continues to soar indicates medical bankruptcy may not be the big culprit behind it.

Those who go bankrupt due to irresponsible spending should have tougher bankruptcy laws. Those who go to bankruptcy due to legitimate medical catastrophe should not. And why should those who get hit with astronomically high medical bills be in the same category as frauds? Go after the frauds instead.
 
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Scottius

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Did I ever think of that? Yes.

It has been five years since this has passed and have you seen health care costs go down? Nope. They have skyrocketed. Now I'm sure someone could make the argument that they would have gone even higher, so feel free to do so. But the fact that it continues to soar indicates medical bankruptcy may not be the big culprit behind it.

Those who go bankrupt due to irresponsible spending should have tougher bankruptcy laws. Those who go to bankruptcy due to legitimate medical catastrophe should not. And why should those who get hit with astronomically high medical bills be in the same category as frauds? Go after the frauds instead.
 
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Scottius

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Did I ever think of that? Yes.
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<br />It has been five years since this has passed and have you seen health care costs go down? Nope. They have skyrocketed. Now I'm sure someone could make the argument that they would have gone even higher, so feel free to do so. But the fact that it continues to soar indicates medical bankruptcy may not be the big culprit behind it.
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<br />Those who go bankrupt due to irresponsible spending should have tougher bankruptcy laws. Those who go to bankruptcy due to legitimate medical catastrophe should not. And why should those who get hit with astronomically high medical bills be in the same category as frauds? Go after the frauds instead.
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Mockingbird

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2008 - 2005 = 3 years.

Also, The rise in health care costs have been going down since 2005.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Continuing efforts by employers to rein in health costs apparently have made a dent. The survey of companies with at least 10 workers showed health costs in 2009 will rise by an average of 5.7 percent, the lowest in more than 10 years.

For the past three years, the growth in health care costs has hovered at about 6 percent. This follows several years of double-digit premium increases, which spurred employers to begin shifting a greater share of burden onto their employees.</end quote></div>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/05/BUHM12OA8G.DTL&type=health">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...12OA8G.DTL&type=health</a>

I'm not saying the bankruptcy law is responsible; I don't know if it is. But I do know you don't have your facts straight.

Anyway, it would be nice if frauds and irresposible spenders identified themselves as such, but they don't, so the tougher bankruptcy laws have to apply to everyone in order to catch the frauds and illegitimate spenders. If you want to blame someone, blame the frauds. Blaming the republicans is like shooting the messenger.

<b>Edit:</b> Also, here is an article on the actual medical costs:
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>The 2008 rate increase of 7.6 percent was down for the second straight year and the lowest in the past five years. In 2003, medical costs increased at a rate of 10 percent while costs last year grew at a rate of 8.4 percent.</end quote></div>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.insidearm.com/go/arm-news/medical-costs-to-rise-nearly-8-this-year-study">http://www.insidearm.com/go/ar...arly-8-this-year-study</a>
 
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Mockingbird

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2008 - 2005 = 3 years.

Also, The rise in health care costs have been going down since 2005.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Continuing efforts by employers to rein in health costs apparently have made a dent. The survey of companies with at least 10 workers showed health costs in 2009 will rise by an average of 5.7 percent, the lowest in more than 10 years.

For the past three years, the growth in health care costs has hovered at about 6 percent. This follows several years of double-digit premium increases, which spurred employers to begin shifting a greater share of burden onto their employees.</end quote></div>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/05/BUHM12OA8G.DTL&type=health">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...12OA8G.DTL&type=health</a>

I'm not saying the bankruptcy law is responsible; I don't know if it is. But I do know you don't have your facts straight.

Anyway, it would be nice if frauds and irresposible spenders identified themselves as such, but they don't, so the tougher bankruptcy laws have to apply to everyone in order to catch the frauds and illegitimate spenders. If you want to blame someone, blame the frauds. Blaming the republicans is like shooting the messenger.

<b>Edit:</b> Also, here is an article on the actual medical costs:
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>The 2008 rate increase of 7.6 percent was down for the second straight year and the lowest in the past five years. In 2003, medical costs increased at a rate of 10 percent while costs last year grew at a rate of 8.4 percent.</end quote></div>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.insidearm.com/go/arm-news/medical-costs-to-rise-nearly-8-this-year-study">http://www.insidearm.com/go/ar...arly-8-this-year-study</a>
 
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Mockingbird

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2008 - 2005 = 3 years.

Also, The rise in health care costs have been going down since 2005.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Continuing efforts by employers to rein in health costs apparently have made a dent. The survey of companies with at least 10 workers showed health costs in 2009 will rise by an average of 5.7 percent, the lowest in more than 10 years.

For the past three years, the growth in health care costs has hovered at about 6 percent. This follows several years of double-digit premium increases, which spurred employers to begin shifting a greater share of burden onto their employees.</end quote></div>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/05/BUHM12OA8G.DTL&type=health">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...12OA8G.DTL&type=health</a>

I'm not saying the bankruptcy law is responsible; I don't know if it is. But I do know you don't have your facts straight.

Anyway, it would be nice if frauds and irresposible spenders identified themselves as such, but they don't, so the tougher bankruptcy laws have to apply to everyone in order to catch the frauds and illegitimate spenders. If you want to blame someone, blame the frauds. Blaming the republicans is like shooting the messenger.

<b>Edit:</b> Also, here is an article on the actual medical costs:
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>The 2008 rate increase of 7.6 percent was down for the second straight year and the lowest in the past five years. In 2003, medical costs increased at a rate of 10 percent while costs last year grew at a rate of 8.4 percent.</end quote></div>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.insidearm.com/go/arm-news/medical-costs-to-rise-nearly-8-this-year-study">http://www.insidearm.com/go/ar...arly-8-this-year-study</a>
 
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Mockingbird

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2008 - 2005 = 3 years.

Also, The rise in health care costs have been going down since 2005.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Continuing efforts by employers to rein in health costs apparently have made a dent. The survey of companies with at least 10 workers showed health costs in 2009 will rise by an average of 5.7 percent, the lowest in more than 10 years.

For the past three years, the growth in health care costs has hovered at about 6 percent. This follows several years of double-digit premium increases, which spurred employers to begin shifting a greater share of burden onto their employees.</end quote>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/05/BUHM12OA8G.DTL&type=health">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...12OA8G.DTL&type=health</a>

I'm not saying the bankruptcy law is responsible; I don't know if it is. But I do know you don't have your facts straight.

Anyway, it would be nice if frauds and irresposible spenders identified themselves as such, but they don't, so the tougher bankruptcy laws have to apply to everyone in order to catch the frauds and illegitimate spenders. If you want to blame someone, blame the frauds. Blaming the republicans is like shooting the messenger.

<b>Edit:</b> Also, here is an article on the actual medical costs:
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>The 2008 rate increase of 7.6 percent was down for the second straight year and the lowest in the past five years. In 2003, medical costs increased at a rate of 10 percent while costs last year grew at a rate of 8.4 percent.</end quote>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.insidearm.com/go/arm-news/medical-costs-to-rise-nearly-8-this-year-study">http://www.insidearm.com/go/ar...arly-8-this-year-study</a>
 
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Mockingbird

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2008 - 2005 = 3 years.
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<br />Also, The rise in health care costs have been going down since 2005.
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<br /><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Continuing efforts by employers to rein in health costs apparently have made a dent. The survey of companies with at least 10 workers showed health costs in 2009 will rise by an average of 5.7 percent, the lowest in more than 10 years.
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<br />For the past three years, the growth in health care costs has hovered at about 6 percent. This follows several years of double-digit premium increases, which spurred employers to begin shifting a greater share of burden onto their employees.</end quote>
<br /><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/05/BUHM12OA8G.DTL&type=health">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...12OA8G.DTL&type=health</a>
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<br />I'm not saying the bankruptcy law is responsible; I don't know if it is. But I do know you don't have your facts straight.
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<br />Anyway, it would be nice if frauds and irresposible spenders identified themselves as such, but they don't, so the tougher bankruptcy laws have to apply to everyone in order to catch the frauds and illegitimate spenders. If you want to blame someone, blame the frauds. Blaming the republicans is like shooting the messenger.
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<br /><b>Edit:</b> Also, here is an article on the actual medical costs:
<br /><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>The 2008 rate increase of 7.6 percent was down for the second straight year and the lowest in the past five years. In 2003, medical costs increased at a rate of 10 percent while costs last year grew at a rate of 8.4 percent.</end quote>
<br /><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.insidearm.com/go/arm-news/medical-costs-to-rise-nearly-8-this-year-study">http://www.insidearm.com/go/ar...arly-8-this-year-study</a>
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