I've got to say this and it's not going to be pretty...

[Emily65Roses]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>MyNewfy</b></i>
Julie, I figure this thread will soon be deleted becauseI think there will be mostly negative remarks made. So before that happens, I'll just say, I think there's something to be said for standing up for respect and kindness too. </end quote></div>

I hope it doesn't get deleted. Free speech, people... FREE SPEECH!!! I know we've all heard of it, don't pretend you haven't. And I'll just say... I think there's something to be said for respect and kindness... coupled with honesty. You can do both, believe it or not. I usually do, among others, who I will let speak for themselves.

 

[Faust]

I don't want to see it deleted. I think it is comedy gold. Deleteing it won't serve any purpose but reenforcing such stupid thoughts that it's ok for one user to ask other users to leave. This original topic is like old time public schools. When some kid would pee his pants in class or do something inappropriate, they would have to sit in front of everyone for the rest of the class to stare at till the end of the day, either with a dunce cap on, or in pee soaked pants. The ones who can't help it with the bladder problems, well that's sad. But the ones with the dunce cap on, I would have enjoyed looking at them all day.

 

[anonymous]

What Sean said....

and if you were in the absollute midst of that thread when all hell broke loose I think you would have felt that it was Luke's comment (his attempt to moderate you might say) that set of the real contention.

And I absolutely know why. Saying that it was inappropriate to mention dying or that mentioning dying was childish absolutely pushed both my widow-button and my 12- year old button.

Your post now, Julie, pushed my advocacy rights button and my 12-year old button. Like who are you to say what voice is the voice of the CF community-who put you in charge? And who are you to say what is appropriate behavior and what isn't and how "nice little girls behave'?

I know it's my job to protect my buttons and not let them get pushed by others.
But really, it's also our jobs not to knowingly push others buttons if we want civil dialog. From the disclaimer at the head of your topic you just knew you were out to push buttons. And Luke, the voice of reason and maturity, did too.

-LisaV
61years young and taking a break so she can comfort the 12-year old widow inside her -- now there's a crappy upset combination!

 

[anonymous]

I hereby call for the resignation of the rest of you.

 

[anonymous]

well maybe "comfort" is the wrong word...
sounds like I've been pulled into the drama vortex sufficiently to get my feelings hurt and that certainly isn't true.
But really, enough is enough.
Doesn't anyone have anything real to do? Not everyone is on bedrest are they?
How about cleaning out some messy drawers or polishing silver or something....

-lisaV

 

[Faust]

To LisaV.


Where are your buttons located, so if I ever bump into you in the grocery store, I don't accidently push some <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

BTW I am going to visit Johnny with the sports page. When i come back, I expect some better reading than the sports page. I bet you 10 bucks Julie completely edits out her first post out of embarassment. Maybe I should copy and paste it just to preserve such a beauty. Maybe it should be preserved like a new dinosaur skeleton find.

 

[Allie]

I'm not angry Julie, I hurt. I'm literally in tears reading this. I had no idea you felt that way about me. It's better that I know, I'm sure, and if you feel you have more of a right to be here than so be it. Thanks for bringing this up to me right now, I really needed this.

 

[miesl]

Lisa, sometimes the best thing to do is grab the popcorn and watch it like a movie.

This kind of drama happens on every message board, because in the end - not everyone can get along. Sometimes everyone agrees to disagree, and sometimes the poo hits the fan and half the posters leave.

 

[Faust]

And just in case she edits it out (I won't do anything this annoying again, promise, a preemptive apology to your eyeballs):


****VERY CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC, DON'T PROCEED ANY FURTHER UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED FOR SOME HONEST, GUTWRENTCHING COMMENTS AND OPINION(S)****

I saw a link in the family section that provided another Cf website and I just have to say this"

It really frustrates me that we have to provide links to other sites for families and CFers to go to, although I understand why the poster did it. This use to be such a warm and welcoming community!

I have a solution, why don't we get rid of the people causing the trouble? I know I am going to get it for this, and I'm sorry in advance, but I have to say that Allie, LittleDebbie, TheLizardqueen, SeanDavis and Emily, on occasion since Allie Joined... I have to include you in this list too- are always involved in some sort of arguement on this forum. If we can't get it back to the way it use to be, where there was assistance, help, friendship, support, guidance, information, and KINDNESS, why don't we ask the problem to leave? As a matter of fact, that is what I am requesting right now.

I know that this post might not seem kind, and it is not my intention to be rude, but to try and resolve some of the gross problems on this forum lately. And I've thougth about it and there doesn't seem to be another way to address the issue.

To me, it's sad that I can always predict what 3-5 people will ALWAYS be involved in an arguement. And not some sort of situation where there is a difference of opinion discussed, because that is just human nature, but where there is brutality going on, a falling apart of this forum and outright rudeness and disrespect.

I will not leave this forum just because there is all this crap going on-I have too much to learn and too much to offer, and have never before considered telling or asking someone else to leave because they too have to learn and have things to offer, but I am up to my eyeballs in disrespect, name calling, childish comments, NEVER answering a person's questions.... come on people. Lets do something different about this or if you cant handle being kind and refraining from the aforementioned behavior... please find somewhere else to take it besides a site where people come for support.

 

[anonymous]

yes, miesl, i know. I am actually pretty forum savvy, It's just that my buttons are a little more exposed these days than they used to be.
But thanks for your concern.
Popcorn is a good idea,
Lisav

 

[miesl]

Allie - it is NOT the opinion of this board that you should leave.

I think that your point of view is one of the most important ones here and it is crap (curse the language filters, as it is much more than crap) that someone here is calling you out asking you to leave.

I want you to stay. *hug*

 

[Faust]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Allie</b></i>

I'm not angry Julie, I hurt. I'm literally in tears reading this. I had no idea you felt that way about me. It's better that I know, I'm sure, and if you feel you have more of a right to be here than so be it. Thanks for bringing this up to me right now, I really needed this.</end quote></div>



Please Allie. You are tougher than that. Don't let something this stupid get to you. Enjoy it for what it is. It's the Hope Diamond of dumb. Just put on your special ed helmet like the rest of us and get into a bumper car with me. We will drool all over and laugh and laugh for no reason.


I'll even let you drive the police bumper car if you give me your fruit jello at the institute tomorrow.

 

[anonymous]

sean,
my widow's button is in a very very private place. I doubt you could push that by accident in a grocery store.

My 12-year old button is just where's it's always been - right on top of the chip on my shoulder.
that one gets pushed ALL of the time

luckily my bestest friends like my 12-year old.....

 

[miesl]

Then I shall have to find a place for some of us to get button armor. There shall be no unexpected pushing of people's 12-year-old or widow buttons.

It pushes my "Get angry, RAR!" button.

 

[Faust]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>miesl</b></i>

Allie - it is NOT the opinion of this board that you should leave.



I think that your point of view is one of the most important ones here and it is crap (curse the language filters, as it is much more than crap) that someone here is calling you out asking you to leave.



I want you to stay. *hug*</end quote></div>



Be careful with "crap" miesel. You said "nuts" earlier, and you made someone leave. Those are some pretty hard hitting words sir, I recommend a full HAZMAT suit if you start to type them k?

 

[miesl]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>SeanDavis</b></i>
Be careful with "crap" miesel. You said "nuts" earlier, and you made someone leave. Those are some pretty hard hitting words sir, I recommend a full HAZMAT suit if you start to type them k?</end quote></div>

Remember, ma'am, not sir. *points at chest* In no way would these belong to a sir.

I shall have to remember to further sugarcoat my language. I apologize.

 

[anonymous]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>julie</b></i>




I have a solution, why don't we get rid of the people causing the trouble? I know I am going to get it for this, and I'm sorry in advance, but I have to say that Allie, LittleDebbie, TheLizardqueen, SeanDavis and Emily, on occasion since Allie Joined... I have to include you in this list too- are always involved in some sort of arguement on this forum. If we can't get it back to the way it use to be, where there was assistance, help, friendship, support, guidance, information, and KINDNESS, why don't we ask the problem to leave? As a matter of fact, that is what I am requesting right now.
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Did you really just ask 4 people who have CF and one CF widow to leave this forum?
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Julie...Who do you think you are exactly. I really want to know. Of all the people that currently need the forum where do you see yourself rating? Have you read mine and Liz's blogs lately? Do you know we're both having a hard time right now? Do you ever read Allie's....do you know what day it is today, what day Friday is? I don't know about the others right now but I have to say I think as far as childish acts go...you just took the ribbon.
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And since we're in such an honest mood let me have a swing at this. I don't like you either. There. You don't like me I don't like you. Happens everyday around the world. You post all kinds of threads i don't care about. I hear about your triplets non-stop. Do you ever think howe that makes those of us who can't have kids feel? No, you are happy and that is great and I try to be happy for you. But for the most part I tend to not read the baby threads now. And i have to say i don't see a lot of threads from you that have much to do with CF. How is Mark lately? Does he EVER post?
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littledebbie
not logged in
I am 26 and I HAVE CF
AND I'm NOT GOING ANYWHERE..until I die and then you know.....<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
......I will haunt the forum!!!!!!!

 

[Debi]

Well, one might ask how come everyone is supposed to walk so carefully around you, Allie, but it's okay for you and others to be blunt with no "sugar coating" in response to a young mother new to CF who was just asking whether CF progresses differently for different people? Sadly, after reading Julies' blunt and non-sugar-coated post, you probably now understand how Charlotte felt after reading the responses to her question. That being said, I am truly sorry for your pain right now. I hope you know that I admire the heck out of you and wish you strength as you face tomorrow and, hopefully, brighter days ahead.

Debi
54 w/cf

 

[Allie]

Not to start more controversy, but at least what I said is a fact that can be verified by doctors and medical professionals, not an opinion. And I thought I was fairly soft about it. "The end result being the same " is not the same as "You kid is going to DIE NOW!!!!"

ugh, whatever.

 

[Scarlett81]

The only thing I want to say to you Julie-though I agree with a few of your points, and I'm not bashing you-


I think that it was very cruel, insensitive and unkind and wrong of you to say anything about Allie. Look at the upcoming week of grief she has to deal with? Look at the support she needs NOW-THIS MINUTE more than ever?


In case you don't know what I'm walking about, the 1 year anniversary of her dead husband is THIS MONTH, and talk about pouring salt on a wound for her.


Haven't we all said things here that have pissed each other off? Sure-I'm sure I have. But come on, for her sake if you have a problem with her-you could have let it go under the circumstances.


I know that the women should stick together-but Julie-I really hope this is just your preggin hormones talking.-Especially in Allie's case.


llie- no one wants you to leave, except maybe 1 or 2 people that hopefully will be eating their words later. And you and I and everyone here knows you can't get everyone to like you-but the majority rules honey-so please don't let this bother you too much. It's really not a big deal.