Obama did something useful

minimedic304

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Well is you know my political position, I dislike the democratic party, especially President Obama. Especailly screwing people over who donate money to charities by making it taxable, however President Obama did something useful by lifting restrictions on funded embryonic stem cell research. Here is the story <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/03/09/the-politics-behind-obamas-embryonic-stem-cell-research-decision.html
">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/go...esearch-decision.html
</a>
Maybe something good will happen in the next 4 years
 

minimedic304

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Well is you know my political position, I dislike the democratic party, especially President Obama. Especailly screwing people over who donate money to charities by making it taxable, however President Obama did something useful by lifting restrictions on funded embryonic stem cell research. Here is the story <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/03/09/the-politics-behind-obamas-embryonic-stem-cell-research-decision.html
">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/go...esearch-decision.html
</a>
Maybe something good will happen in the next 4 years
 

minimedic304

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Well is you know my political position, I dislike the democratic party, especially President Obama. Especailly screwing people over who donate money to charities by making it taxable, however President Obama did something useful by lifting restrictions on funded embryonic stem cell research. Here is the story <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/03/09/the-politics-behind-obamas-embryonic-stem-cell-research-decision.html
">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/go...esearch-decision.html
</a>
Maybe something good will happen in the next 4 years
 

minimedic304

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Well is you know my political position, I dislike the democratic party, especially President Obama. Especailly screwing people over who donate money to charities by making it taxable, however President Obama did something useful by lifting restrictions on funded embryonic stem cell research. Here is the story <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/03/09/the-politics-behind-obamas-embryonic-stem-cell-research-decision.html
">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/go...esearch-decision.html
</a>
Maybe something good will happen in the next 4 years
 

minimedic304

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Well is you know my political position, I dislike the democratic party, especially President Obama. Especailly screwing people over who donate money to charities by making it taxable, however President Obama did something useful by lifting restrictions on funded embryonic stem cell research. Here is the story <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/03/09/the-politics-behind-obamas-embryonic-stem-cell-research-decision.html
">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/go...esearch-decision.html
</a><br />
<br />Maybe something good will happen in the next 4 years
 

Nightwriter

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I am also thrilled at his decision. There is an important point to be made here. Even if they were to find a cure for CF tomorrow, for people who have had lung tissue destroyed, their lung tissue would still have no way of being repaired -- the damage is already done. Of course it would be wonderful to stop further damage, but growing new tissue is the only way to regain total lung function. Stem cell research holds the promise of generating new lung tissue.

I am thankful that this political/religious discussion has been taken off the table for the next 4 to 8 years. And while the research has gone on in Europe, our American scientists have had their hands tied for the past 8 years. Watch how fast science is going to move in leaps and bounds in the area of regenerating organ tissue. Oh, to be able to breathe like a normal person again! My imagination runs wild...
 

Nightwriter

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I am also thrilled at his decision. There is an important point to be made here. Even if they were to find a cure for CF tomorrow, for people who have had lung tissue destroyed, their lung tissue would still have no way of being repaired -- the damage is already done. Of course it would be wonderful to stop further damage, but growing new tissue is the only way to regain total lung function. Stem cell research holds the promise of generating new lung tissue.

I am thankful that this political/religious discussion has been taken off the table for the next 4 to 8 years. And while the research has gone on in Europe, our American scientists have had their hands tied for the past 8 years. Watch how fast science is going to move in leaps and bounds in the area of regenerating organ tissue. Oh, to be able to breathe like a normal person again! My imagination runs wild...
 

Nightwriter

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I am also thrilled at his decision. There is an important point to be made here. Even if they were to find a cure for CF tomorrow, for people who have had lung tissue destroyed, their lung tissue would still have no way of being repaired -- the damage is already done. Of course it would be wonderful to stop further damage, but growing new tissue is the only way to regain total lung function. Stem cell research holds the promise of generating new lung tissue.

I am thankful that this political/religious discussion has been taken off the table for the next 4 to 8 years. And while the research has gone on in Europe, our American scientists have had their hands tied for the past 8 years. Watch how fast science is going to move in leaps and bounds in the area of regenerating organ tissue. Oh, to be able to breathe like a normal person again! My imagination runs wild...
 

Nightwriter

New member
I am also thrilled at his decision. There is an important point to be made here. Even if they were to find a cure for CF tomorrow, for people who have had lung tissue destroyed, their lung tissue would still have no way of being repaired -- the damage is already done. Of course it would be wonderful to stop further damage, but growing new tissue is the only way to regain total lung function. Stem cell research holds the promise of generating new lung tissue.

I am thankful that this political/religious discussion has been taken off the table for the next 4 to 8 years. And while the research has gone on in Europe, our American scientists have had their hands tied for the past 8 years. Watch how fast science is going to move in leaps and bounds in the area of regenerating organ tissue. Oh, to be able to breathe like a normal person again! My imagination runs wild...
 

Nightwriter

New member
I am also thrilled at his decision. There is an important point to be made here. Even if they were to find a cure for CF tomorrow, for people who have had lung tissue destroyed, their lung tissue would still have no way of being repaired -- the damage is already done. Of course it would be wonderful to stop further damage, but growing new tissue is the only way to regain total lung function. Stem cell research holds the promise of generating new lung tissue.
<br />
<br />I am thankful that this political/religious discussion has been taken off the table for the next 4 to 8 years. And while the research has gone on in Europe, our American scientists have had their hands tied for the past 8 years. Watch how fast science is going to move in leaps and bounds in the area of regenerating organ tissue. Oh, to be able to breathe like a normal person again! My imagination runs wild...
 

just1more

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Oh why not....

There is NO evidence anywhere that new embryonic stem cells will be any more effective in curing anything than what was already available, or non-embryonic stem cells.

There has been no disorder cured, or even approved for treatment to my knowledge using embryonic stem cells.

Unproven hypothesis while interesting and even 'promising' has not yielded even a glimer of success in treating humans.

I guess I don't understand the justification of destroying embryos (regardless of your opinion on the beginning of life) without clear justification or medical benefit.

At this point, show me a high-order animal (primate) cured of ANYTHING using embryonic stem cells and I may change my stand, but until then I suggest we leave destroying embryos to the Europeans.
 

just1more

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Oh why not....

There is NO evidence anywhere that new embryonic stem cells will be any more effective in curing anything than what was already available, or non-embryonic stem cells.

There has been no disorder cured, or even approved for treatment to my knowledge using embryonic stem cells.

Unproven hypothesis while interesting and even 'promising' has not yielded even a glimer of success in treating humans.

I guess I don't understand the justification of destroying embryos (regardless of your opinion on the beginning of life) without clear justification or medical benefit.

At this point, show me a high-order animal (primate) cured of ANYTHING using embryonic stem cells and I may change my stand, but until then I suggest we leave destroying embryos to the Europeans.
 

just1more

New member
Oh why not....

There is NO evidence anywhere that new embryonic stem cells will be any more effective in curing anything than what was already available, or non-embryonic stem cells.

There has been no disorder cured, or even approved for treatment to my knowledge using embryonic stem cells.

Unproven hypothesis while interesting and even 'promising' has not yielded even a glimer of success in treating humans.

I guess I don't understand the justification of destroying embryos (regardless of your opinion on the beginning of life) without clear justification or medical benefit.

At this point, show me a high-order animal (primate) cured of ANYTHING using embryonic stem cells and I may change my stand, but until then I suggest we leave destroying embryos to the Europeans.
 

just1more

New member
Oh why not....

There is NO evidence anywhere that new embryonic stem cells will be any more effective in curing anything than what was already available, or non-embryonic stem cells.

There has been no disorder cured, or even approved for treatment to my knowledge using embryonic stem cells.

Unproven hypothesis while interesting and even 'promising' has not yielded even a glimer of success in treating humans.

I guess I don't understand the justification of destroying embryos (regardless of your opinion on the beginning of life) without clear justification or medical benefit.

At this point, show me a high-order animal (primate) cured of ANYTHING using embryonic stem cells and I may change my stand, but until then I suggest we leave destroying embryos to the Europeans.
 

just1more

New member
Oh why not....
<br />
<br />There is NO evidence anywhere that new embryonic stem cells will be any more effective in curing anything than what was already available, or non-embryonic stem cells.
<br />
<br />There has been no disorder cured, or even approved for treatment to my knowledge using embryonic stem cells.
<br />
<br />Unproven hypothesis while interesting and even 'promising' has not yielded even a glimer of success in treating humans.
<br />
<br />I guess I don't understand the justification of destroying embryos (regardless of your opinion on the beginning of life) without clear justification or medical benefit.
<br />
<br />At this point, show me a high-order animal (primate) cured of ANYTHING using embryonic stem cells and I may change my stand, but until then I suggest we leave destroying embryos to the Europeans.
<br />
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Nightwriter

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Tom, I have great respect for you. You are an extraordinary person -- you are one of the few people who live by your ideals. But I, personally believe idiology must be separate from science. Of course you are so entitled to your opinion.

I thought Minimedic's link was a good one. The embryos they are talking about are currently been thrown in the GARBAGE. That is a fact (also referenced in the article.) They are currently being DESTROYED. So not doing this research didn't save any embryos.

I want to know that all tools are available to OUR scientists who are excited because current research HAS shown that embryonic stem cells have the capability to change into all different kinds of cells. I'd like to see a top medical research facility dispute this.

I say if anyone does not want to be the recipient of whatever comes out of this research, opt out. I will be first on line.

I don't get the argument that says, because something hasn't been discovered -- it won't be -- especially since science has grown in leaps and bounds in the last 8 years in every area -- while American topinstitutions and scientists have had their hands tied in the area of stem cell research.

To say that there is no evidence (which is untrue in the case of embryonic stem cell research) or that if something hasn't worked until now, that it means it never will is shortsighted. If the early inventors of vaccines thought well, because nobody has done it previously, so it can't be done - we would still have small pox as well as other diseases that we don't see anymore.

I want to know that UCLA, Johns Hopkins, and other top centers can do their job without any ideology standing in the way. And what is so great to me -- it is all now a moot point. Our scientists will be funded by our government and will no longer be limited by our government.

And it is great that they keep discovering new sources of stem cells, but even after the discovery of another source of stem cells (skin) that was recently discovered at UCLA -- the leading author said that this does not replace embryonic stem cell research. It would be nice to please everyone, and someday that indeed might be a possibility.

I have no interest in politics. But I do have a vested interested in seeing to research not being limited. There was another thread recently on this topic and I did post my references.

I loved Obama's explanation for the change in policy -- I can't improve on it. But my best source is Christopher Reeve's own research: passionate, yet sensitive to other's concerns, knowledgeable -- who's life was devoted to the science of stem cell research and in that previous thread I did post his speech to Congess.

We are way beyond "glimmers." These are not pie in the sky hypotheses. It may take decades -- I want them working on it now. Today. We in the CF community do not have one minute to waste. I want to see my fellow adult CFer's thrive and the CF kids grow into healthy adulthood. That's it.

Addendum: I wanted to check exactly what the latest research is this country-- even though so much had been stopped/hindered. Who knows where we would be at this point? I saw some interesting research in some other countries too -- but my time is limited.

Animal research is important. Because all research begins with animals(and sometimes ends there) but nothing starts without it. California approved its 3 Billion dollar stem cell research bill pretty much after an interesting research project showed paralyzed rats' spinal cords being injected with a form of embryonic stem cells. The cells restored some nerves allowing the rats to walk again.

Presently the biotech company Geron (a leader in embryonic stem cell research) is conducting the first human trial of it's kind -- where 8 to 10 adults with severe spinal cord injuries will be given similar injections. It will be interesting to see what the results are -- because if it's negative, that could also lead to a backlash. I'm hoping for something positive.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Tom, I have great respect for you. You are an extraordinary person -- you are one of the few people who live by your ideals. But I, personally believe idiology must be separate from science. Of course you are so entitled to your opinion.

I thought Minimedic's link was a good one. The embryos they are talking about are currently been thrown in the GARBAGE. That is a fact (also referenced in the article.) They are currently being DESTROYED. So not doing this research didn't save any embryos.

I want to know that all tools are available to OUR scientists who are excited because current research HAS shown that embryonic stem cells have the capability to change into all different kinds of cells. I'd like to see a top medical research facility dispute this.

I say if anyone does not want to be the recipient of whatever comes out of this research, opt out. I will be first on line.

I don't get the argument that says, because something hasn't been discovered -- it won't be -- especially since science has grown in leaps and bounds in the last 8 years in every area -- while American topinstitutions and scientists have had their hands tied in the area of stem cell research.

To say that there is no evidence (which is untrue in the case of embryonic stem cell research) or that if something hasn't worked until now, that it means it never will is shortsighted. If the early inventors of vaccines thought well, because nobody has done it previously, so it can't be done - we would still have small pox as well as other diseases that we don't see anymore.

I want to know that UCLA, Johns Hopkins, and other top centers can do their job without any ideology standing in the way. And what is so great to me -- it is all now a moot point. Our scientists will be funded by our government and will no longer be limited by our government.

And it is great that they keep discovering new sources of stem cells, but even after the discovery of another source of stem cells (skin) that was recently discovered at UCLA -- the leading author said that this does not replace embryonic stem cell research. It would be nice to please everyone, and someday that indeed might be a possibility.

I have no interest in politics. But I do have a vested interested in seeing to research not being limited. There was another thread recently on this topic and I did post my references.

I loved Obama's explanation for the change in policy -- I can't improve on it. But my best source is Christopher Reeve's own research: passionate, yet sensitive to other's concerns, knowledgeable -- who's life was devoted to the science of stem cell research and in that previous thread I did post his speech to Congess.

We are way beyond "glimmers." These are not pie in the sky hypotheses. It may take decades -- I want them working on it now. Today. We in the CF community do not have one minute to waste. I want to see my fellow adult CFer's thrive and the CF kids grow into healthy adulthood. That's it.

Addendum: I wanted to check exactly what the latest research is this country-- even though so much had been stopped/hindered. Who knows where we would be at this point? I saw some interesting research in some other countries too -- but my time is limited.

Animal research is important. Because all research begins with animals(and sometimes ends there) but nothing starts without it. California approved its 3 Billion dollar stem cell research bill pretty much after an interesting research project showed paralyzed rats' spinal cords being injected with a form of embryonic stem cells. The cells restored some nerves allowing the rats to walk again.

Presently the biotech company Geron (a leader in embryonic stem cell research) is conducting the first human trial of it's kind -- where 8 to 10 adults with severe spinal cord injuries will be given similar injections. It will be interesting to see what the results are -- because if it's negative, that could also lead to a backlash. I'm hoping for something positive.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Tom, I have great respect for you. You are an extraordinary person -- you are one of the few people who live by your ideals. But I, personally believe idiology must be separate from science. Of course you are so entitled to your opinion.

I thought Minimedic's link was a good one. The embryos they are talking about are currently been thrown in the GARBAGE. That is a fact (also referenced in the article.) They are currently being DESTROYED. So not doing this research didn't save any embryos.

I want to know that all tools are available to OUR scientists who are excited because current research HAS shown that embryonic stem cells have the capability to change into all different kinds of cells. I'd like to see a top medical research facility dispute this.

I say if anyone does not want to be the recipient of whatever comes out of this research, opt out. I will be first on line.

I don't get the argument that says, because something hasn't been discovered -- it won't be -- especially since science has grown in leaps and bounds in the last 8 years in every area -- while American topinstitutions and scientists have had their hands tied in the area of stem cell research.

To say that there is no evidence (which is untrue in the case of embryonic stem cell research) or that if something hasn't worked until now, that it means it never will is shortsighted. If the early inventors of vaccines thought well, because nobody has done it previously, so it can't be done - we would still have small pox as well as other diseases that we don't see anymore.

I want to know that UCLA, Johns Hopkins, and other top centers can do their job without any ideology standing in the way. And what is so great to me -- it is all now a moot point. Our scientists will be funded by our government and will no longer be limited by our government.

And it is great that they keep discovering new sources of stem cells, but even after the discovery of another source of stem cells (skin) that was recently discovered at UCLA -- the leading author said that this does not replace embryonic stem cell research. It would be nice to please everyone, and someday that indeed might be a possibility.

I have no interest in politics. But I do have a vested interested in seeing to research not being limited. There was another thread recently on this topic and I did post my references.

I loved Obama's explanation for the change in policy -- I can't improve on it. But my best source is Christopher Reeve's own research: passionate, yet sensitive to other's concerns, knowledgeable -- who's life was devoted to the science of stem cell research and in that previous thread I did post his speech to Congess.

We are way beyond "glimmers." These are not pie in the sky hypotheses. It may take decades -- I want them working on it now. Today. We in the CF community do not have one minute to waste. I want to see my fellow adult CFer's thrive and the CF kids grow into healthy adulthood. That's it.

Addendum: I wanted to check exactly what the latest research is this country-- even though so much had been stopped/hindered. Who knows where we would be at this point? I saw some interesting research in some other countries too -- but my time is limited.

Animal research is important. Because all research begins with animals(and sometimes ends there) but nothing starts without it. California approved its 3 Billion dollar stem cell research bill pretty much after an interesting research project showed paralyzed rats' spinal cords being injected with a form of embryonic stem cells. The cells restored some nerves allowing the rats to walk again.

Presently the biotech company Geron (a leader in embryonic stem cell research) is conducting the first human trial of it's kind -- where 8 to 10 adults with severe spinal cord injuries will be given similar injections. It will be interesting to see what the results are -- because if it's negative, that could also lead to a backlash. I'm hoping for something positive.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Tom, I have great respect for you. You are an extraordinary person -- you are one of the few people who live by your ideals. But I, personally believe idiology must be separate from science. Of course you are so entitled to your opinion.

I thought Minimedic's link was a good one. The embryos they are talking about are currently been thrown in the GARBAGE. That is a fact (also referenced in the article.) They are currently being DESTROYED. So not doing this research didn't save any embryos.

I want to know that all tools are available to OUR scientists who are excited because current research HAS shown that embryonic stem cells have the capability to change into all different kinds of cells. I'd like to see a top medical research facility dispute this.

I say if anyone does not want to be the recipient of whatever comes out of this research, opt out. I will be first on line.

I don't get the argument that says, because something hasn't been discovered -- it won't be -- especially since science has grown in leaps and bounds in the last 8 years in every area -- while American topinstitutions and scientists have had their hands tied in the area of stem cell research.

To say that there is no evidence (which is untrue in the case of embryonic stem cell research) or that if something hasn't worked until now, that it means it never will is shortsighted. If the early inventors of vaccines thought well, because nobody has done it previously, so it can't be done - we would still have small pox as well as other diseases that we don't see anymore.

I want to know that UCLA, Johns Hopkins, and other top centers can do their job without any ideology standing in the way. And what is so great to me -- it is all now a moot point. Our scientists will be funded by our government and will no longer be limited by our government.

And it is great that they keep discovering new sources of stem cells, but even after the discovery of another source of stem cells (skin) that was recently discovered at UCLA -- the leading author said that this does not replace embryonic stem cell research. It would be nice to please everyone, and someday that indeed might be a possibility.

I have no interest in politics. But I do have a vested interested in seeing to research not being limited. There was another thread recently on this topic and I did post my references.

I loved Obama's explanation for the change in policy -- I can't improve on it. But my best source is Christopher Reeve's own research: passionate, yet sensitive to other's concerns, knowledgeable -- who's life was devoted to the science of stem cell research and in that previous thread I did post his speech to Congess.

We are way beyond "glimmers." These are not pie in the sky hypotheses. It may take decades -- I want them working on it now. Today. We in the CF community do not have one minute to waste. I want to see my fellow adult CFer's thrive and the CF kids grow into healthy adulthood. That's it.

Addendum: I wanted to check exactly what the latest research is this country-- even though so much had been stopped/hindered. Who knows where we would be at this point? I saw some interesting research in some other countries too -- but my time is limited.

Animal research is important. Because all research begins with animals(and sometimes ends there) but nothing starts without it. California approved its 3 Billion dollar stem cell research bill pretty much after an interesting research project showed paralyzed rats' spinal cords being injected with a form of embryonic stem cells. The cells restored some nerves allowing the rats to walk again.

Presently the biotech company Geron (a leader in embryonic stem cell research) is conducting the first human trial of it's kind -- where 8 to 10 adults with severe spinal cord injuries will be given similar injections. It will be interesting to see what the results are -- because if it's negative, that could also lead to a backlash. I'm hoping for something positive.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Tom, I have great respect for you. You are an extraordinary person -- you are one of the few people who live by your ideals. But I, personally believe idiology must be separate from science. Of course you are so entitled to your opinion.
<br />
<br />I thought Minimedic's link was a good one. The embryos they are talking about are currently been thrown in the GARBAGE. That is a fact (also referenced in the article.) They are currently being DESTROYED. So not doing this research didn't save any embryos.
<br />
<br />I want to know that all tools are available to OUR scientists who are excited because current research HAS shown that embryonic stem cells have the capability to change into all different kinds of cells. I'd like to see a top medical research facility dispute this.
<br />
<br />I say if anyone does not want to be the recipient of whatever comes out of this research, opt out. I will be first on line.
<br />
<br />I don't get the argument that says, because something hasn't been discovered -- it won't be -- especially since science has grown in leaps and bounds in the last 8 years in every area -- while American topinstitutions and scientists have had their hands tied in the area of stem cell research.
<br />
<br />To say that there is no evidence (which is untrue in the case of embryonic stem cell research) or that if something hasn't worked until now, that it means it never will is shortsighted. If the early inventors of vaccines thought well, because nobody has done it previously, so it can't be done - we would still have small pox as well as other diseases that we don't see anymore.
<br />
<br />I want to know that UCLA, Johns Hopkins, and other top centers can do their job without any ideology standing in the way. And what is so great to me -- it is all now a moot point. Our scientists will be funded by our government and will no longer be limited by our government.
<br />
<br />And it is great that they keep discovering new sources of stem cells, but even after the discovery of another source of stem cells (skin) that was recently discovered at UCLA -- the leading author said that this does not replace embryonic stem cell research. It would be nice to please everyone, and someday that indeed might be a possibility.
<br />
<br />I have no interest in politics. But I do have a vested interested in seeing to research not being limited. There was another thread recently on this topic and I did post my references.
<br />
<br />I loved Obama's explanation for the change in policy -- I can't improve on it. But my best source is Christopher Reeve's own research: passionate, yet sensitive to other's concerns, knowledgeable -- who's life was devoted to the science of stem cell research and in that previous thread I did post his speech to Congess.
<br />
<br />We are way beyond "glimmers." These are not pie in the sky hypotheses. It may take decades -- I want them working on it now. Today. We in the CF community do not have one minute to waste. I want to see my fellow adult CFer's thrive and the CF kids grow into healthy adulthood. That's it.
<br />
<br />Addendum: I wanted to check exactly what the latest research is this country-- even though so much had been stopped/hindered. Who knows where we would be at this point? I saw some interesting research in some other countries too -- but my time is limited.
<br />
<br />Animal research is important. Because all research begins with animals(and sometimes ends there) but nothing starts without it. California approved its 3 Billion dollar stem cell research bill pretty much after an interesting research project showed paralyzed rats' spinal cords being injected with a form of embryonic stem cells. The cells restored some nerves allowing the rats to walk again.
<br />
<br />Presently the biotech company Geron (a leader in embryonic stem cell research) is conducting the first human trial of it's kind -- where 8 to 10 adults with severe spinal cord injuries will be given similar injections. It will be interesting to see what the results are -- because if it's negative, that could also lead to a backlash. I'm hoping for something positive.
<br />
 
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