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Potential New Antibiotics??
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I prefer this article better.
And you know why we don't hear more news like this?
Americans will bitch and complain about a $30 co-pay for antibiotic, but will lay down $50-60 for a life-style drug like cialis, botox or phen-phen/meridia.
Americans sue the hell out of pharmaceutical companies if any drug has a minor side-effect. Americans demand that drugs be side-effect free, which is never ever going to be the case.
Americans demand and expect healthcare to be free. They'll scream at a $20 co-pay to see their doctor, but will lay down $100 cash to get micro-dermabrasion (however you spell it).
Cell phone $50/month
Cable $30/month
DSL/Internet $30
But $100/month for a novel drug like TOBI or pulmozyme..... OH NO!!!!!!! IT SHOULD BE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
And other pharmaceutical companies look at this and think "forget it. I'm not investing my R&D money to a novel drug. I'll put my $ into a lifestyle drug that people won't complain so much about paying $ for."
And here we are - with a GIGANTIC shortage of antimicrobial drugs in the pipeline.
We have NO ONE to blame but ourselves.
Talk to your friends. Inform the general public. Take it upon yourself to stem the tide of "lifestyle" medicine to back to the basics of actually saving lives. Who knows? One day pharma companies might return to developing drugs that could save your life.
Americans will bitch and complain about a $30 co-pay for antibiotic, but will lay down $50-60 for a life-style drug like cialis, botox or phen-phen/meridia.
Americans sue the hell out of pharmaceutical companies if any drug has a minor side-effect. Americans demand that drugs be side-effect free, which is never ever going to be the case.
Americans demand and expect healthcare to be free. They'll scream at a $20 co-pay to see their doctor, but will lay down $100 cash to get micro-dermabrasion (however you spell it).
Cell phone $50/month
Cable $30/month
DSL/Internet $30
But $100/month for a novel drug like TOBI or pulmozyme..... OH NO!!!!!!! IT SHOULD BE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
And other pharmaceutical companies look at this and think "forget it. I'm not investing my R&D money to a novel drug. I'll put my $ into a lifestyle drug that people won't complain so much about paying $ for."
And here we are - with a GIGANTIC shortage of antimicrobial drugs in the pipeline.
We have NO ONE to blame but ourselves.
Talk to your friends. Inform the general public. Take it upon yourself to stem the tide of "lifestyle" medicine to back to the basics of actually saving lives. Who knows? One day pharma companies might return to developing drugs that could save your life.
It's simple: There will never be as strong of a demand for something like a niche antibiotic, as there is for boner pills, or pills to lower cholesterol, or treat arthritis, or pills to help people lose weight. Americans pollute themselves horribly with what they eat/drink and their environment. And due to that, our peens don't work properly, our cholesterol and overall cardiovascular condition is crap, we have arthritis problems due to vastly increasing the lifespan (many more old people) and what I said earlier, and we are giant lard as*es due to stuffing out faces at the all you can eat $7.00 sizzler buffet and then sitting down at work for 8+ hours a day or sitting at home for the same or more time either watching the idiot tube or playing video games, and the whole time we are swigging down 2 liters of Mountain Dew.
We collectively treat our bodies like toxic waste dumps in every way, and that is the primary reason why we have all the health problems that we have. So there is your general answer to your gripe. I agree with you, but until there is a fundamental vast turn around in how we treat ourselves at the bottom level, things won't change.
The office building in which I work has a ton of people who do nothing all day but sit in a cubicle. Many of those people do nothing all day but stuff their faces with donuts, candy, candy bars, and the big culprit to fatness, two liters of soda (mostly mountain dew). Needless to say, there are several people who work there that are very close to that line where they can't walk anymore. Some of them walk in the door and sound like Darth Vader.
People think they can do whatever they want to do to their bodies and their body won't show it, and eventually revolt and turn toxic and cause TONS of problems for them, and eventual fatal problems if they don't change what they are doing. I attacked my problems on their basic level naturally after doing my own research, and my CF symptoms are as close to gone as you can get without actually not having CF anymore, and that includes my CF related arthritis, Gout, hemoptysis, skin blemishes (bacteria), cyst occurance (staph + whatever), and several other things.
Clean up your body, eat properly, watch sugar intake (and that does not mean switch to artificial sweeteners!), EXERCISE (for men that also means weight training), investigate your disease and find out what substances would benefit you and help reduce your CF symptoms (it's not hard to do), take a high quality vitamin mineral multivitamin that is generally way over the RDA % wise (due to our low absorption issues, we tend to need a much higher RDA amount in our vitamin/minerals), after that, look into particular substances to help you (there are many)...Figure out what you can afford and what helps the most for the least $$.
If even normal people did what the experts have been telling them, we wouldn't have a need for 95% of all the drugs out there (barring naturally occuring serious diseases and such). Overweight!?!? TAKE THIS PILL! (and don't take personal responsibility for being overweight and put effort into not being so), CAN'T SLEEP!?! TAKE THIS PILL! (and don't look into why you possibly can't sleep and work on those reasons, or take a cheap natural sleep inducer like melatonin), YOUR PEEN WON'T GET HARD!?!? TAKE THIS PILL! (Instead of looking into why your peen won't get hard, like you are way stressed, diabetes - which is another ball of wax - Your lady has really let herself go, you are way overweight, etc etc). We are a "PROBLEM? TAKE THIS PILL!" culture. We poison ourselves with what we put in our mouths and our horrible sedentary existance and our poisoned environment, then we want a quick fix via some wonder pill, which often causes more problems that it fixes.
I heard a stat on the radio, something along the lines of "One person dies in this country every 3-5 seconds due to direct correlation to an FDA approved medication". Which isn't all that shocking to me. While all substances on earth won't be tolerated by all people (even something like salt = real bad for some people), the FDA has a HORRIBLE track record, and the corruption and bedfellows related to the large pharmaceutical companies is embarassingly shameful/disgusting.
Welcome to America. The land of the limp peened, balding, obese, can't sleep, ultra vane, blame it on someone else and never take personal responsibility for your situation. DON'T LIKE THIS REPLY? TAKE THIS PILL!!
We collectively treat our bodies like toxic waste dumps in every way, and that is the primary reason why we have all the health problems that we have. So there is your general answer to your gripe. I agree with you, but until there is a fundamental vast turn around in how we treat ourselves at the bottom level, things won't change.
The office building in which I work has a ton of people who do nothing all day but sit in a cubicle. Many of those people do nothing all day but stuff their faces with donuts, candy, candy bars, and the big culprit to fatness, two liters of soda (mostly mountain dew). Needless to say, there are several people who work there that are very close to that line where they can't walk anymore. Some of them walk in the door and sound like Darth Vader.
People think they can do whatever they want to do to their bodies and their body won't show it, and eventually revolt and turn toxic and cause TONS of problems for them, and eventual fatal problems if they don't change what they are doing. I attacked my problems on their basic level naturally after doing my own research, and my CF symptoms are as close to gone as you can get without actually not having CF anymore, and that includes my CF related arthritis, Gout, hemoptysis, skin blemishes (bacteria), cyst occurance (staph + whatever), and several other things.
Clean up your body, eat properly, watch sugar intake (and that does not mean switch to artificial sweeteners!), EXERCISE (for men that also means weight training), investigate your disease and find out what substances would benefit you and help reduce your CF symptoms (it's not hard to do), take a high quality vitamin mineral multivitamin that is generally way over the RDA % wise (due to our low absorption issues, we tend to need a much higher RDA amount in our vitamin/minerals), after that, look into particular substances to help you (there are many)...Figure out what you can afford and what helps the most for the least $$.
If even normal people did what the experts have been telling them, we wouldn't have a need for 95% of all the drugs out there (barring naturally occuring serious diseases and such). Overweight!?!? TAKE THIS PILL! (and don't take personal responsibility for being overweight and put effort into not being so), CAN'T SLEEP!?! TAKE THIS PILL! (and don't look into why you possibly can't sleep and work on those reasons, or take a cheap natural sleep inducer like melatonin), YOUR PEEN WON'T GET HARD!?!? TAKE THIS PILL! (Instead of looking into why your peen won't get hard, like you are way stressed, diabetes - which is another ball of wax - Your lady has really let herself go, you are way overweight, etc etc). We are a "PROBLEM? TAKE THIS PILL!" culture. We poison ourselves with what we put in our mouths and our horrible sedentary existance and our poisoned environment, then we want a quick fix via some wonder pill, which often causes more problems that it fixes.
I heard a stat on the radio, something along the lines of "One person dies in this country every 3-5 seconds due to direct correlation to an FDA approved medication". Which isn't all that shocking to me. While all substances on earth won't be tolerated by all people (even something like salt = real bad for some people), the FDA has a HORRIBLE track record, and the corruption and bedfellows related to the large pharmaceutical companies is embarassingly shameful/disgusting.
Welcome to America. The land of the limp peened, balding, obese, can't sleep, ultra vane, blame it on someone else and never take personal responsibility for your situation. DON'T LIKE THIS REPLY? TAKE THIS PILL!!
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IG
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wow, I don't honestly know where that came because as far as I can see besides having some 'antibiotic' relevance to your statement Amy it's completely out of left field. I saw no mention of money in either of these articles, in regards to a life-style drug or antibiotics.
Perhaps this is something to blog about.
Perhaps this is something to blog about.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ImmortalGoddezz</b></i>
wow, I don't honestly know where that came because as far as I can see besides having some 'antibiotic' relevance to your statement Amy it's completely out of left field. I saw no mention of money in either of these articles, in regards to a life-style drug or antibiotics.
Perhaps this is something to blog about.</end quote></div>
out of left field? dont' you wonder why a new pseudo medicine hasn't been developed in 10 years? i think this relates to every CFer on this board!!!!!!
wow, I don't honestly know where that came because as far as I can see besides having some 'antibiotic' relevance to your statement Amy it's completely out of left field. I saw no mention of money in either of these articles, in regards to a life-style drug or antibiotics.
Perhaps this is something to blog about.</end quote></div>
out of left field? dont' you wonder why a new pseudo medicine hasn't been developed in 10 years? i think this relates to every CFer on this board!!!!!!
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Medicine has always worked at a slow pace. It's really nothing new.
Especially with something like CF, perhaps because medical companies don't see an immediate benefit from something such as a new pseudo drug, but that doesn't mean that there aren't some people out there working on it. I know people are frustrated about it, but it's the big company against a small group of people and unless the government passes a bill through the legislature stating that medical companies can't completely screw us over this will continue to happen. And people will continue to try to get drugs from Canada.
Especially with something like CF, perhaps because medical companies don't see an immediate benefit from something such as a new pseudo drug, but that doesn't mean that there aren't some people out there working on it. I know people are frustrated about it, but it's the big company against a small group of people and unless the government passes a bill through the legislature stating that medical companies can't completely screw us over this will continue to happen. And people will continue to try to get drugs from Canada.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>
Cell phone $50/month
Cable $30/month
DSL/Internet $30</end quote></div>
another thread got me thinking...
don't forget about the $5-$10 a day spent by many in "designer" coffee shops(starbucks, peets, coffee bean, etc.). do the math--$5 a day=$35 a week=~$140 a month=$1820 a year if spending $5 a day...i have quite a few friends who spend at least twice that.
Cell phone $50/month
Cable $30/month
DSL/Internet $30</end quote></div>
another thread got me thinking...
don't forget about the $5-$10 a day spent by many in "designer" coffee shops(starbucks, peets, coffee bean, etc.). do the math--$5 a day=$35 a week=~$140 a month=$1820 a year if spending $5 a day...i have quite a few friends who spend at least twice that.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>S</b></i>
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>
Cell phone $50/month
Cable $30/month
DSL/Internet $30</end quote></div>
another thread got me thinking...
don't forget about the $5-$10 a day spent by many in "designer" coffee shops(starbucks, peets, coffee bean, etc.). do the math--$5 a day=$35 a week=~$140 a month=$1820 a year if spending $5 a day...i have quite a few friends who spend at least twice that.</end quote></div>
That discussion falls under my monthly updated "People who need to be pushed off tall cliffs" list.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>
Cell phone $50/month
Cable $30/month
DSL/Internet $30</end quote></div>
another thread got me thinking...
don't forget about the $5-$10 a day spent by many in "designer" coffee shops(starbucks, peets, coffee bean, etc.). do the math--$5 a day=$35 a week=~$140 a month=$1820 a year if spending $5 a day...i have quite a few friends who spend at least twice that.</end quote></div>
That discussion falls under my monthly updated "People who need to be pushed off tall cliffs" list.
thefrogprincess
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Try $2000 for TOBI and $1000 for pulmozyme.
my only complaint about drug companies and how they could cut some of the cost would be to eliminate some of those freebies ie. pens, dinners, and various outher thing that the give doctor offices. Maybe if some of that was eliminate the cost of medications would come down some.
yeah some of you talking about you would pay any price, suck it up etc...
try it when that $$3,476.19 (from walgreens.com) TOBI is a months worht of pay or when that Xopenex is a weeks worth of groceries or when you have to choose between that therapy session you desperately need or the anti-depressant. When you need to be in the hospital getting IVs but they won't admit you because you have no insurance. When that Vest is the cost of a decent car to get you to all your appointments. When that $275 for levaquin means there isn't enough food that week.
When its the doctor visit or the medicine...which is more worth the money?
When its the albuterol or the gas to get to clinic.
When you can't even pay the $75 a month the hospital wants you to pay so you get sent to collections. When you need labwork but won't get it done because you know you can't afford doctor visits or medicine if anything is wrong.
When you keep a job you hate and harms your health only because you can't afford to lose the insurance
Its life for A LOT of people. And idiots like you think its so easy. Well maybe these people aren't the ones with internet or this or that.
My parents charged my meds when I was little or my grandparents helped them pay for it. We lived in a house where I shared a room with my brother. We had no frills. My mom's car was a 70 something celica(this was late 80s/early 90s). followed by an even older caprice. My dad worked a job he hated because it provided insurance. All my clothes were hand me downs and my mom sewed most of her and a lot of mine
Even now the choice came of whether to stay on anti-depressants or continue therapy...the money just wasn't there for both. $3.000 is out of the qeustion for a medication. My dad had a stroke and had to give up one job, he has a ton of medical bills.
Guess what? I do without. I don't use TOBI because we can't afford it. I use samples of Xopenex or albuterol. A lot of times when I need to go in the hospital, I don't because of money. I use an acapella because theres a lot of more needed stuff the $16,000 the vest would cost
So all I have to say is I hope one day all of you smartasses are living this life so you can see what its really like. Then come back and talk to me. Quit talking through your asses
try it when that $$3,476.19 (from walgreens.com) TOBI is a months worht of pay or when that Xopenex is a weeks worth of groceries or when you have to choose between that therapy session you desperately need or the anti-depressant. When you need to be in the hospital getting IVs but they won't admit you because you have no insurance. When that Vest is the cost of a decent car to get you to all your appointments. When that $275 for levaquin means there isn't enough food that week.
When its the doctor visit or the medicine...which is more worth the money?
When its the albuterol or the gas to get to clinic.
When you can't even pay the $75 a month the hospital wants you to pay so you get sent to collections. When you need labwork but won't get it done because you know you can't afford doctor visits or medicine if anything is wrong.
When you keep a job you hate and harms your health only because you can't afford to lose the insurance
Its life for A LOT of people. And idiots like you think its so easy. Well maybe these people aren't the ones with internet or this or that.
My parents charged my meds when I was little or my grandparents helped them pay for it. We lived in a house where I shared a room with my brother. We had no frills. My mom's car was a 70 something celica(this was late 80s/early 90s). followed by an even older caprice. My dad worked a job he hated because it provided insurance. All my clothes were hand me downs and my mom sewed most of her and a lot of mine
Even now the choice came of whether to stay on anti-depressants or continue therapy...the money just wasn't there for both. $3.000 is out of the qeustion for a medication. My dad had a stroke and had to give up one job, he has a ton of medical bills.
Guess what? I do without. I don't use TOBI because we can't afford it. I use samples of Xopenex or albuterol. A lot of times when I need to go in the hospital, I don't because of money. I use an acapella because theres a lot of more needed stuff the $16,000 the vest would cost
So all I have to say is I hope one day all of you smartasses are living this life so you can see what its really like. Then come back and talk to me. Quit talking through your asses
1. the TOBI foundation, as well as genentech who makes Pulmozyme gives meds for free to people who can't afford it. So if you're in an economic state where you have to chose between food or TOBI, it sounds like you'll qualify....
2. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that every state in the Union has Medicaid. If you can't afford a hospital stay because of lack of insurance and low income, your state's medicaid should help. And if your income is low enough/no insurance, Medicare should pick you up as well.
3. As far as Xoponex, Seprecor is part of Parternship for Prescription Assistance or Together Rx or one of those programs. If your income is low, which it sounds like, you should be able to get your meds at a discounted price. And your state's Medicaid should cover albuterol as well.
There are a lot of options out there for those who are impoverished due to chronic illness. There's no way you should be going without hospitalization due to a financial situation.
And I'm not talking out of my ass. Neither of my parents went to college, and to this day my dad has done blue collar work (manual labor) since he was 12. And yes, my parents have only bought 2 cars in the past 30 years. So I, for one, am not talking out of my ass, to answer your question.
If you need more help accessing the above listed programs, I would be happy to assist. I do all the time for low income families who need access to drugs that I represent at my drug company.
2. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that every state in the Union has Medicaid. If you can't afford a hospital stay because of lack of insurance and low income, your state's medicaid should help. And if your income is low enough/no insurance, Medicare should pick you up as well.
3. As far as Xoponex, Seprecor is part of Parternship for Prescription Assistance or Together Rx or one of those programs. If your income is low, which it sounds like, you should be able to get your meds at a discounted price. And your state's Medicaid should cover albuterol as well.
There are a lot of options out there for those who are impoverished due to chronic illness. There's no way you should be going without hospitalization due to a financial situation.
And I'm not talking out of my ass. Neither of my parents went to college, and to this day my dad has done blue collar work (manual labor) since he was 12. And yes, my parents have only bought 2 cars in the past 30 years. So I, for one, am not talking out of my ass, to answer your question.
If you need more help accessing the above listed programs, I would be happy to assist. I do all the time for low income families who need access to drugs that I represent at my drug company.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>
2. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that every state in the Union has Medicaid. If you can't afford a hospital stay because of lack of insurance and low income, your state's medicaid should help. And if your income is low enough/no insurance, Medicare should pick you up as well.
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You are wrong. you must be deemed crippled to recieve medicaid. SSi SSdi I think
2. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that every state in the Union has Medicaid. If you can't afford a hospital stay because of lack of insurance and low income, your state's medicaid should help. And if your income is low enough/no insurance, Medicare should pick you up as well.
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You are wrong. you must be deemed crippled to recieve medicaid. SSi SSdi I think
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>
2. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that every state in the Union has Medicaid. If you can't afford a hospital stay because of lack of insurance and low income, your state's medicaid should help. And if your income is low enough/no insurance, Medicare should pick you up as well.
q]
You are wrong. you must be deemed crippled to recieve medicaid. SSi SSdi I think</end quote></div>
That I know is incorrect. Medicaid is for low-income people. Has nothing to do with your type of health issue..... Medicare might be a different issue.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>
2. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that every state in the Union has Medicaid. If you can't afford a hospital stay because of lack of insurance and low income, your state's medicaid should help. And if your income is low enough/no insurance, Medicare should pick you up as well.
q]
You are wrong. you must be deemed crippled to recieve medicaid. SSi SSdi I think</end quote></div>
That I know is incorrect. Medicaid is for low-income people. Has nothing to do with your type of health issue..... Medicare might be a different issue.