SMOKING

JohnnaMarie

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Hello all:

I have to comment and say that I do agree that smokers are addicted to a drug. They are not respecting their bodies or the bodies of the people that they are around when they are smoking. Smoking should be illegal and the cig companies should have to pay to get all the addicts off the drug. They made the mess ...make them clean it up. We all have the right to breathe smoke-free air. Smoking is one of the few things that I hate to see. Such a waste of a good set of lungs.
 

Emily65Roses

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You guys know where I stand on this, so I won't argue further. At least not right now.

I just wanted to answer the anonymous poster's question from 7:03pm. Yes, Ryan is only 16. He lives in the same town as me, and therefore is a friend "in real life." (What a nerd I am). He'll be 17 this July. Mini actually is (generally), a very level-headed kid. If he was a "normal" 16 year old, I wouldn't be able to talk to him about half the stuff I do talk to him about. I can tell him pretty much anything and know I'll get a very "adult" response. He has his childish moments, but don't we all? lol Regardless, that's my Mini for you. <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">
 

EmilysMini

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lol. thanks Em and yes anonymous. i am. but i dont think youll find it that way with some of the topics i reply on. Most are based on opinion and facts that ive only heard. nothing checked. but in this case i know many smokers and I am related to 2. so its hard not to know this stuff.
 

Mockingbird

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>They are smoking outside.....I do not think that smoking indoors should be legal but they are outdoors...hello! Other people are always putting our lives at risk...I am a nurse I see it daily. How about the drunk driver that crashes into another car....or the abusive guy that beats his wife and anyone brave enough to get involved. For god sake let the people stand outdoors in the pooring rain and get their nicotine fix so they can get back to the job they probably hate and make it through another day...We are not talking about murderers here. If you end up in the ER because you are a smoker or a girl too weak to leave her abusive boyfriend or you have CF....I will treat you with respect and take the best care of you regardless. We are human...we make stupid mistakes, but it makes us real you know...Food for thought is all.<hr></blockquote>


You have a lot of good points, but i just wanted to say the thing that is really annoying is the callousness of smokers. They do smoke outside, but they smoke right outside the door! The day could be perfectly nice and sunny, and there'll still be a group of smokers hanging around right outside the entrance. When I was in High school, people who smoked went across the street to do it (because the school didn't allow smoke anywhere on the grounds, and kids didn't want to get caught and have their parents know they were smoking. =-) That was sooo much nicer than having to walk through a cloud of smoke every time I went to a class (like in college). I'm just saying it would be nice for some outside areas to be smoke free, is all. Of course, i know this'll never be a reality unless America becomes a police nation or whatever, and there are much more important problems we need to take care of anyway. I'm just thinking wishfully so i don't end up slapping the next smoker I see. =-)

And yes, I agree, smokers deserve the same treatment as everyone else, because technically, they're people, too. But that doesn't mean you (as their nurse) can't give them a little flak about smoking and getting themselves in the hospital, especially when they have no intention of quitting after they had to be hospitalized. =-)

Jarod
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Mockingbird

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>To the person who said that smokers do not respect themselves....please. Nicotine is a drug people....they are addicts. They may have tried it when they were young or drunk and have not been able to kick it since.Overeating is just as harmful as smoking....so is drinking too much alcohol...and so is being negative and bitter all of the time...all of this equals to health problems and bad energy. Most of us do harmful things to our bodies on a regular basis.....one evil is no worse than another. Instead of spewing out your negativity on others try to be respectful to your fellow man .... taking into consideration that we are all just ordinary people trying to get through what ever burdens we bear. For the record I am not a smoker.<hr></blockquote>

But they don't respect themselves. That's exactly what it means to be a smoker, or an overeater, or an alchoholic, or a negative and bitter person. If they respected themselves, then they'd stop. Don't tell me they can't stop, either, because there are addictions a lot worse out there that I've seen people come out of. Think about it, when someone goes to an AA meeting, or an OA meeting, they get respected for who they are, and they get support, and then they start having respect for themselves and they can stop. I'm not saying smoker's don't have a problem, they do, and I know joining a support group or calling a hotline is one of the hardest things to do.

And just because someone is bashing on smokers and saying they aren't to be respected, that doesn't mean the person goes around "spewing negativity on others" give us some credit. We all have people close to us that smoke. I know it annoys the hell out of me, and I bash their smoking habit all the time, But I still respect them as a person. There are things that annoy them about me as well, and they don't stop from complaining about it. =-) It's part of life, you know? So don't be afraid to let loose, and say "Somkers are the worst, most selfish and inconsiderate people on the planet!" It feels good. And besides, 'we are all just ordinary people trying to get though whatever burdens we bear.' Remember that? My burden: people who smoke. How I get though it: saying "Somkers are the worst, most selfish and inconsiderate people on the planet." =-)

Jarod
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anonymous

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>"Somkers are the worst, most selfish and inconsiderate people on the planet." =-) <hr></blockquote>


Just curious Jared....what is a Somker exactly....<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Just kidding. I think the drug companies who withhold Aids meds from poor coutries cuz they will not make a profit from it are the most selfish inconsiderate people on the planet. Lets keep focus here people. SUV drivers poluting the air just for social status is selfish. But a smoker actually stepping outside so to not polute others is selfish...well non-smokers just cannot be made happy I guess.

Any smoker I have ever met has tried to quite a dozen times...nicotine is harder to quite than crack cocaine!

I hate smoking...there is no pros to smoking. But people are always bashing them and what everyone seems to miss is they are addicts people!!! Smoking is on the decrease and continuously declining.
 

anonymous

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I forgot to add this to my last post....it is inconsiderate to smoke right outside of a building. There should be designated areas for smokers outside.
 

Emily65Roses

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I just wanted to point out this one thing you said...
"well non-smokers just cannot be made happy I guess"
...in order to tell you that it's wrong. Smoking annoys me, and that's why I came here to share how I feel about it. But in my every day life, I really only think of it when I'm forced to inhale any. And even then, it's a fleeting thought. Something like "Wow that's obnoxious *cough cough* okay, when does my next class start?" <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

Mockingbird

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A somker is just like a smoker, except somkers like to punch orphens. =-) Ah, I didn't notice i misspelled that until after I posted, I was hoping no one would notice. =-) Oh, well, but I really don't think nicotine is harder to quit than crack-cocaine. And even if it is, smokers have stop smoking aids they can buy. I've never heard of a crack-cocaine patch. And i know stop-smoking aids are really expensive but buying ciggarettes time after time gets even more expensive.

And I wasn't saying "Smokers are the worst, most selfish, inconsiderate people on the planet" because I think it's true (well, maybe a little bit) It's just something that feels good to say on a particularly frustrating, smoke-filled day. =-) Like when i say, "All smokers can lick my butt" I don't really want all the smokers to lick my butt. If they did, I'd be farting ashtrays for a week, and I wouldn't particularly enjoy that. =-)

Jarod
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roblake29

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Hey, I absolutely love this thread. Well done Emily for introducing such good points!
Many of the arguments put across have also been voiced in discussions I have had with close friends on the subject of smoking. I live in England and the anti-smoking laws are not as strict as they are in the States. For example, not all restaurants are non-smoking, although most do have no smoking sections. Also all clubs and pubs allow smoking in them.
In a recent email update that I wrote to my contacts around the world, I specified my desire to stop going to smoky places as of Jan 1 05. Although I love going out drinking with friends, dancing in clubs etc., I had reached a point in my frustration where I could no longer tolerate smoking, and especially my friends who are smoking. In this email, I had 'come out' to some of my contacts that I had CF. The response, since then, has been very encouraging. Since then, 4 of my friends have quit smoking, and two of them have decided to run a half marathon with me in 2 weeks time to raise money for the CF Trust.

I take no prisoners in my arguments against smoking. I have and will continue to alienate people who smoke around me, and worse still, complain about their health. It is nothing short of ignorance not to see that some people have no choice in the health of their lungs (ie. people with CF), so to compound the problem of destroying a perfectly good set of lungs is inexcusable.
Having said this, I have come to appreciate to a far greater extent the problems that smokers face. My intolerance to smoking and my immense concern for my own health has not prevented me from seeing the bigger picture. Smoking is an addiction, and a very difficult one to break. It is not that my close friends who smoke are weak or selfish, because I know they are currently doing all that they can to stop, having better understood my position as a person with CF. But it is more that the addiction is so strong, and that the culture, certainly in Britain, implicitly promotes smoking and poor health. We are a nation of heavy drinkers and with that comes the traditional 'pub' and all its smoky atmosphere. It is important to see that smoking and people who smoke are both enabled and constrained in their actions, not just by their own individual psychological make-up (related to will, strength of mind, selflessness, consideration, etc.), but by the societal structures that they live within. It is easy to point the finger at individuals who smoke and call them selfish, inconsiderate, stupid or whatever, but the reality is that smoking has held a prominent position in society for many many years, and in the past has been promoted implicitly through media representations (in films, music, TV, etc.). Only in the last decade or so (and less in England), has the balance of power shifted towards the non-smoking camp. Changing a culture though does not happen overnight, but will take generations.
So here is hoping that Britain will introduce a no-smoking policy in all indoor public places in the near future and that the anti-smoking message will spread across the world in good time.

Rob

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Zacarus

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>I mean, I'm not saying, "hey, lets ban smoking" because I understand its an addiction.<hr></blockquote>

An addiction...what a pathetic excuse. Out of their petty and hedonistic disregard for themselves and others, they huddle under the banner of "smoking is my right," much like sheep or any other barnyard animals. These people are not the greediest people on the planet (that would be the territory of major corporations, specifically drug and insurance companies) but they are certainly lacking in the the will to self-conquest and in respect for others. I do not hate them; I pity them.

As for banning smoking, I do not see why not; we have banned more ridiculous things than this in the good old United States of America (gay marriage, for example...*sigh*), especially since our society is supposedly based on the "social contract," in which we sacrifice certain freedoms for the betterment of all. Of course, this will never happen, due to the greed of tobacco companies. It seems the only escape from the meaness of humanity is in one's solitude; a pity.

<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>We all have the right to breathe smoke-free air<hr></blockquote>

But I have the right to light burning materials and jeapordize your health and wellbeing by exhaling the toxic fumes right into your face! It seems the two freedoms cancel each other out! (Sarcasm, of course...)
 

jenhum

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I have to reply to this thread b/c I absolutely think that smoking should be banned EVERYWHERE. Restaurants, clubs, indoors, outdoors, my house or yours. Let me also say that I was born and raised in NC, so I realize the economic implications of banning smoking. But I strongly believe that the long term benefits of the entire country would far outweigh the economic repercussions.

In this country, we have so many freedoms and rights. But smoking is the only right that I can think of that infringes on someone else's right to live a healthy life. Someone compared smoking to overeating or binge drinking. That's a ridiculous argument. Overeating will not harm those around you. Binge drinking also does nothing to those around you....UNLESS you choose to drive while drunk. But guess what? There is a law that prohibits people from driving when drunk. I realize that people do it anyway. But my point is when drinking has the possibility of affecting others, there is a law in place to stop it, and there are consequences for people who break that law.

Because smoking in public places (and I'm including outdoors on public land) infringes on other people's right to breathe, I do NOT believe that smokers should be afforded that right. People quit smoking everyday, so I don't buy this crap about how it is the hardest struggle ever and so impossible. Will they be unhappy for a while? Yes. Will they have headaches and other physical pains for weeks or even months? Yes. But it is entirely possible and it will most likely improve the quality and quantity of their life, so I say suck it up (no pun intended) and do it. All four of my grandparents quit in the 70's when they started finding out how bad it was, and they had all been smoking for 20+ years. Just because something is hard doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

Also, at the beginning of this post, I said I would like smoking to be banned everywhere, even in private homes. This is just my personal opinion, because I hate that children have to grow up in smoky homes. I realize this will probably never happen because that is an infringement of personal rights. But I do believe it should be banned in any public place, indoor or outdoor.

So I guess that's the end of my rant. I'll be back to defend my points, because I am sure people will take offense to some of this. I usually try to be very careful not to offend anyone, but this is something I believe so strongly in.
 

Emily65Roses

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Jenny, you're right. Smoking in homes will never be banned because it is such an infringement on basic rights. However, I entirely agree with you. There was another girl wtih CF in my town up until a few years ago. Both her parents smoked like chimneys and she was dead by the time she was about 8-9. I mean obviously this is an unusual circumstance as CF isn't common, but COME ON! Your child has CF, and you're going to smoke in the house around her? That child should've been taken away from those ridiculous negligent parents. If I knew those people, I swear I'd go "visit" them and start screaming. Good thing I don't know who they are. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>Binge drinking also does nothing to those around you....UNLESS you choose to drive while drunk<hr></blockquote>

im not judging but obviously youve never lived with an alcoholic. it does affect everyone around them. it isnt fun to say the least
 

jenhum

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You're right, I have never lived with an alcoholic. But even living with one doesn't do you any physical harm, unless they abuse you, in which case there are laws to punish them. I'm not saying that living with an alcoholic is any easier or harder than living with a smoker. My point is that there are laws preventing people who abuse alcohol from physically harming others (even if those those laws don't always work), but there are no laws that prevent smokers from harming the physical well-being of others.
 

anonymous

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I have CF, hate smoking, but strongly belive in personal freedoms, smoking (unfortunately) being one of them.

It's all about taking personal responsibility. If you don't want to dine or have drinks in a smoky bar or restaurant, go to a different establishment. Secondly, restaurants and bars are 99.9% of the time PRIVATELY OWNED. So if they choose to allow or disallow smoking for the benefit of a particular customer base, then that's thier choice.

If getting on smokers' cases is acceptable, why not get on every single person who drives a car, or every factory that pumps out huge quantities of pollution into the air on a daily basis.
 

Emily65Roses

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And to back up Jenny here... Let me try to see if I can explain this effectively. Anyone who does anything harmful is going to hurt the people around them (those that love them). Smoking, drinking, anything self-destructive. However, there are different aspects of this. You know how living with an alcoholic is very emotionally taxing and painful, well a smoker is the same. Then in addition, a smoker also is poisoning your air. In other words, I've never lived with an alcoholic, but I can imagine what it might be like. I have (almost) lived with a smoker. My boyfriend Mike used to smoke. And technically we don't live together, but we might as well. We just don't have our own place, so we live together at both his parents' house and my parents' house. Heh. He never smoked inside, because he knew better. But everytime I knew he had one it seriously made me cry. Had he smoked inside, it both would've poisoned my lungs, AND made me cry. I know I'm a little more sensitive to smoking than most people, but it hurts like hell to me to know Mike ever smoked.

I'm sorry if that makes no sense, but that's the best way I can think to describe it. In much simpler shorter terms, as Jenny said, alcoholics you live with don't physically harm you by drinking. This is of course, unless they get violent. But when they start hurting you physically, there are laws against it everywhere, no matter the circumstances. When a smoker smokes around you, it does harm you physically... and yet there are no laws against it happening in all cases (like there is with violent drunks). I realize these aren't exact comparisons, because the beating is intentional. But intentional or not, if someone smokes around you, they are hurting you. Especially in the case of CFers. <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

Emily65Roses

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Oh and to the last anonymous poster before me (6:59pm), why should we have to go to a different establishment because of THEIR bad habit? And you know, in states where the no-smoking law has yet to be put into effect (or before these laws were ever put into effect), do you know how limited the choice was? <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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Ryan-
Please know that my question about you being 16 was replied in the most respect. Ihave read some post that you have placed. I think very highly of people that can stand up for what they beleive in without disrespecting or putting others down. It is a remarkable trait and YOu seem to have that. I have 3 teengers and I do believe that you wise beyond your years
Michelle
 
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