Spontaneous Mutation

LabDad

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ktsmom</b></i>


Victoria I think okok was asking me since I hijacked your thread with my own fears about my daughter. The answer is we don't know her carrier status because literally 3 adults could not hold her down for the blood draw. It was so traumatic for her that I have been afraid to try again. Doc doesn't care about it enough to prescribe a baby valium or something to get the blood draw done (her sweat test was a 34).
</end quote></div>

Your heath care provider should do a buccal swab (inside the cheeks with q-tip)...no needles...and plenty of DNA for the test, you could even do it yourself while she slept...

...but back on topic....

As far as Victoria's husband, I think I agree with Steven that it is highly likely that he is carrying delta F508 and another very mild mutant allele, especially given his medical history. Okok is right, that Shawn's genetic background or differences in environment could make him more susceptible to illness than his dad. It is also possible to have CF and have a vas deferens:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
</a>
It is important for your husband's health that he be properly diagnosed if he does have CF. I understand that facing this is difficult, but it would be much better if he were to be properly treated, so that he could provide for your family in the long term. I would suggest that the quickest way to diagnose Shawn is to have your husband tested for the full panel of CF mutations, otherwise waiting for Shawn's sweat test should give you the answer.

As far as the evolutionary history of Shawn's mutation, a spontaneous mutation is a possibility, though not a very likely one, however the CF locus is very large, increasing the probability...but okok's notion about an embryonic genetic mosaic, while biologically possible, is very very very unlikely. If Shawn was a mosaic, it's not clear what his genetic testing would reveal anyway, I would not even bother thinking about this. And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off...and there's always divine intervention...but anyway, that's all ridiculousness.

Get your husband tested! and I hope Shawn's feeling better!
 

LabDad

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ktsmom</b></i>


Victoria I think okok was asking me since I hijacked your thread with my own fears about my daughter. The answer is we don't know her carrier status because literally 3 adults could not hold her down for the blood draw. It was so traumatic for her that I have been afraid to try again. Doc doesn't care about it enough to prescribe a baby valium or something to get the blood draw done (her sweat test was a 34).
</end quote></div>

Your heath care provider should do a buccal swab (inside the cheeks with q-tip)...no needles...and plenty of DNA for the test, you could even do it yourself while she slept...

...but back on topic....

As far as Victoria's husband, I think I agree with Steven that it is highly likely that he is carrying delta F508 and another very mild mutant allele, especially given his medical history. Okok is right, that Shawn's genetic background or differences in environment could make him more susceptible to illness than his dad. It is also possible to have CF and have a vas deferens:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
</a>
It is important for your husband's health that he be properly diagnosed if he does have CF. I understand that facing this is difficult, but it would be much better if he were to be properly treated, so that he could provide for your family in the long term. I would suggest that the quickest way to diagnose Shawn is to have your husband tested for the full panel of CF mutations, otherwise waiting for Shawn's sweat test should give you the answer.

As far as the evolutionary history of Shawn's mutation, a spontaneous mutation is a possibility, though not a very likely one, however the CF locus is very large, increasing the probability...but okok's notion about an embryonic genetic mosaic, while biologically possible, is very very very unlikely. If Shawn was a mosaic, it's not clear what his genetic testing would reveal anyway, I would not even bother thinking about this. And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off...and there's always divine intervention...but anyway, that's all ridiculousness.

Get your husband tested! and I hope Shawn's feeling better!
 

LabDad

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ktsmom</b></i>


Victoria I think okok was asking me since I hijacked your thread with my own fears about my daughter. The answer is we don't know her carrier status because literally 3 adults could not hold her down for the blood draw. It was so traumatic for her that I have been afraid to try again. Doc doesn't care about it enough to prescribe a baby valium or something to get the blood draw done (her sweat test was a 34).
</end quote>

Your heath care provider should do a buccal swab (inside the cheeks with q-tip)...no needles...and plenty of DNA for the test, you could even do it yourself while she slept...

...but back on topic....

As far as Victoria's husband, I think I agree with Steven that it is highly likely that he is carrying delta F508 and another very mild mutant allele, especially given his medical history. Okok is right, that Shawn's genetic background or differences in environment could make him more susceptible to illness than his dad. It is also possible to have CF and have a vas deferens:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
</a>
It is important for your husband's health that he be properly diagnosed if he does have CF. I understand that facing this is difficult, but it would be much better if he were to be properly treated, so that he could provide for your family in the long term. I would suggest that the quickest way to diagnose Shawn is to have your husband tested for the full panel of CF mutations, otherwise waiting for Shawn's sweat test should give you the answer.

As far as the evolutionary history of Shawn's mutation, a spontaneous mutation is a possibility, though not a very likely one, however the CF locus is very large, increasing the probability...but okok's notion about an embryonic genetic mosaic, while biologically possible, is very very very unlikely. If Shawn was a mosaic, it's not clear what his genetic testing would reveal anyway, I would not even bother thinking about this. And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off...and there's always divine intervention...but anyway, that's all ridiculousness.

Get your husband tested! and I hope Shawn's feeling better!
 

LabDad

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ktsmom</b></i>


Victoria I think okok was asking me since I hijacked your thread with my own fears about my daughter. The answer is we don't know her carrier status because literally 3 adults could not hold her down for the blood draw. It was so traumatic for her that I have been afraid to try again. Doc doesn't care about it enough to prescribe a baby valium or something to get the blood draw done (her sweat test was a 34).
</end quote>

Your heath care provider should do a buccal swab (inside the cheeks with q-tip)...no needles...and plenty of DNA for the test, you could even do it yourself while she slept...

...but back on topic....

As far as Victoria's husband, I think I agree with Steven that it is highly likely that he is carrying delta F508 and another very mild mutant allele, especially given his medical history. Okok is right, that Shawn's genetic background or differences in environment could make him more susceptible to illness than his dad. It is also possible to have CF and have a vas deferens:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/23/9816
</a>
It is important for your husband's health that he be properly diagnosed if he does have CF. I understand that facing this is difficult, but it would be much better if he were to be properly treated, so that he could provide for your family in the long term. I would suggest that the quickest way to diagnose Shawn is to have your husband tested for the full panel of CF mutations, otherwise waiting for Shawn's sweat test should give you the answer.

As far as the evolutionary history of Shawn's mutation, a spontaneous mutation is a possibility, though not a very likely one, however the CF locus is very large, increasing the probability...but okok's notion about an embryonic genetic mosaic, while biologically possible, is very very very unlikely. If Shawn was a mosaic, it's not clear what his genetic testing would reveal anyway, I would not even bother thinking about this. And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off...and there's always divine intervention...but anyway, that's all ridiculousness.

Get your husband tested! and I hope Shawn's feeling better!
 

vmhoward

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"And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off..."


yes this is very far fetched and this is not a possibility...He is Shawn's Dad. We have been happlily married for 12 years and I have been faithful to him for 12 years.



But after 4 children I think it is fair to say that Chris does have a vas deferens. I will talk with him and see if he wants to get the full panel done. Ultimately it is his decision.
 

vmhoward

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"And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off..."


yes this is very far fetched and this is not a possibility...He is Shawn's Dad. We have been happlily married for 12 years and I have been faithful to him for 12 years.



But after 4 children I think it is fair to say that Chris does have a vas deferens. I will talk with him and see if he wants to get the full panel done. Ultimately it is his decision.
 

vmhoward

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"And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off..."


yes this is very far fetched and this is not a possibility...He is Shawn's Dad. We have been happlily married for 12 years and I have been faithful to him for 12 years.



But after 4 children I think it is fair to say that Chris does have a vas deferens. I will talk with him and see if he wants to get the full panel done. Ultimately it is his decision.
 

vmhoward

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"And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off..."


yes this is very far fetched and this is not a possibility...He is Shawn's Dad. We have been happlily married for 12 years and I have been faithful to him for 12 years.



But after 4 children I think it is fair to say that Chris does have a vas deferens. I will talk with him and see if he wants to get the full panel done. Ultimately it is his decision.
 

vmhoward

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"And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off..."


yes this is very far fetched and this is not a possibility...He is Shawn's Dad. We have been happlily married for 12 years and I have been faithful to him for 12 years.



But after 4 children I think it is fair to say that Chris does have a vas deferens. I will talk with him and see if he wants to get the full panel done. Ultimately it is his decision.
 

vmhoward

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"And while we're on the subject of far-fetched possibilities, it's also formally possible that Shawn's dad, isn't Shawn's biological dad, in which case, all bets would be off..."


yes this is very far fetched and this is not a possibility...He is Shawn's Dad. We have been happlily married for 12 years and I have been faithful to him for 12 years.



But after 4 children I think it is fair to say that Chris does have a vas deferens. I will talk with him and see if he wants to get the full panel done. Ultimately it is his decision.
 

okok

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I was just explaining that the spontaneous mutation didn't have to occur in the germ cell since the question was asked....not that it was in any way a viable scenario for shawn's case. I agree with everyone that the most likely possibility is that there is another mutation that is already present.

I only brought up congenital absence of vas deferens to suggest that it might just as easily be victoria who has the undetected mutation. i am not sure she should jump to conclusions about her husband's health just yet. I thought it might be better to find out what mutation her son has if he has another mutation at all and then test both parents for that mutation to see who/if one of them contributed it. 98% of men with cf have CBAVD so i think Victoria's contribution is something to keep in mind and we should not rule her out immediately (especially since she hasn't had any genetic testing yet).
 

okok

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I was just explaining that the spontaneous mutation didn't have to occur in the germ cell since the question was asked....not that it was in any way a viable scenario for shawn's case. I agree with everyone that the most likely possibility is that there is another mutation that is already present.

I only brought up congenital absence of vas deferens to suggest that it might just as easily be victoria who has the undetected mutation. i am not sure she should jump to conclusions about her husband's health just yet. I thought it might be better to find out what mutation her son has if he has another mutation at all and then test both parents for that mutation to see who/if one of them contributed it. 98% of men with cf have CBAVD so i think Victoria's contribution is something to keep in mind and we should not rule her out immediately (especially since she hasn't had any genetic testing yet).
 

okok

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I was just explaining that the spontaneous mutation didn't have to occur in the germ cell since the question was asked....not that it was in any way a viable scenario for shawn's case. I agree with everyone that the most likely possibility is that there is another mutation that is already present.

I only brought up congenital absence of vas deferens to suggest that it might just as easily be victoria who has the undetected mutation. i am not sure she should jump to conclusions about her husband's health just yet. I thought it might be better to find out what mutation her son has if he has another mutation at all and then test both parents for that mutation to see who/if one of them contributed it. 98% of men with cf have CBAVD so i think Victoria's contribution is something to keep in mind and we should not rule her out immediately (especially since she hasn't had any genetic testing yet).
 

okok

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I was just explaining that the spontaneous mutation didn't have to occur in the germ cell since the question was asked....not that it was in any way a viable scenario for shawn's case. I agree with everyone that the most likely possibility is that there is another mutation that is already present.

I only brought up congenital absence of vas deferens to suggest that it might just as easily be victoria who has the undetected mutation. i am not sure she should jump to conclusions about her husband's health just yet. I thought it might be better to find out what mutation her son has if he has another mutation at all and then test both parents for that mutation to see who/if one of them contributed it. 98% of men with cf have CBAVD so i think Victoria's contribution is something to keep in mind and we should not rule her out immediately (especially since she hasn't had any genetic testing yet).
 

okok

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I was just explaining that the spontaneous mutation didn't have to occur in the germ cell since the question was asked....not that it was in any way a viable scenario for shawn's case. I agree with everyone that the most likely possibility is that there is another mutation that is already present.

I only brought up congenital absence of vas deferens to suggest that it might just as easily be victoria who has the undetected mutation. i am not sure she should jump to conclusions about her husband's health just yet. I thought it might be better to find out what mutation her son has if he has another mutation at all and then test both parents for that mutation to see who/if one of them contributed it. 98% of men with cf have CBAVD so i think Victoria's contribution is something to keep in mind and we should not rule her out immediately (especially since she hasn't had any genetic testing yet).
 

okok

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I was just explaining that the spontaneous mutation didn't have to occur in the germ cell since the question was asked....not that it was in any way a viable scenario for shawn's case. I agree with everyone that the most likely possibility is that there is another mutation that is already present.

I only brought up congenital absence of vas deferens to suggest that it might just as easily be victoria who has the undetected mutation. i am not sure she should jump to conclusions about her husband's health just yet. I thought it might be better to find out what mutation her son has if he has another mutation at all and then test both parents for that mutation to see who/if one of them contributed it. 98% of men with cf have CBAVD so i think Victoria's contribution is something to keep in mind and we should not rule her out immediately (especially since she hasn't had any genetic testing yet).
 

StevenKeiles

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Regarding absence of the vas, yes most men with CF have absent vas, but not all. Especially if the second mutation is very mild. When you look at men with CF or infertile men you usually find two mutations. But those men who are healthy and fertile do not get tested, so we really don't know what the statistics are regarding how many men with two CF mutations are fertile.

Steve
 

StevenKeiles

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Regarding absence of the vas, yes most men with CF have absent vas, but not all. Especially if the second mutation is very mild. When you look at men with CF or infertile men you usually find two mutations. But those men who are healthy and fertile do not get tested, so we really don't know what the statistics are regarding how many men with two CF mutations are fertile.

Steve
 

StevenKeiles

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Regarding absence of the vas, yes most men with CF have absent vas, but not all. Especially if the second mutation is very mild. When you look at men with CF or infertile men you usually find two mutations. But those men who are healthy and fertile do not get tested, so we really don't know what the statistics are regarding how many men with two CF mutations are fertile.

Steve
 

StevenKeiles

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Regarding absence of the vas, yes most men with CF have absent vas, but not all. Especially if the second mutation is very mild. When you look at men with CF or infertile men you usually find two mutations. But those men who are healthy and fertile do not get tested, so we really don't know what the statistics are regarding how many men with two CF mutations are fertile.

Steve
 
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