Sports Organization Discriminating against my daughter w/CF

[hmw]

Absolutely- and the courts found in favor of many who applied the legislation of the ADA to support their requests for accommodations.

Each case is decided on an individual basis- the type of disability of the person involved, whether or not the participation would result in risk of serious injury/danger even if accommodations were provided, whether the accommodations altered the integrity of the game or gave an unfair advantage to the disabled person, etc. It's not a black and white decision where the same choice is made for everyone. The courts decided the cases in question very differently in different circumstances and were provided as examples of how things can vary and that in many cases there IS a legitimate case to be made for the student requesting accommodations.

The article also very specifically states there is no blanket rule to apply to each case, so while the courts have stipulated to various terms that must be met in order to label one as 'disabled', it doesn't label specifically the activities that one can turn to the ADA for protection for or the specific accommodations one can ask for.

 

[hmw]

Absolutely- and the courts found in favor of many who applied the legislation of the ADA to support their requests for accommodations.
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<br />Each case is decided on an individual basis- the type of disability of the person involved, whether or not the participation would result in risk of serious injury/danger even if accommodations were provided, whether the accommodations altered the integrity of the game or gave an unfair advantage to the disabled person, etc. It's not a black and white decision where the same choice is made for everyone. The courts decided the cases in question very differently in different circumstances and were provided as examples of how things can vary and that in many cases there IS a legitimate case to be made for the student requesting accommodations.
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<br />The article also very specifically states there is no blanket rule to apply to each case, so while the courts have stipulated to various terms that must be met in order to label one as 'disabled', it doesn't label specifically the activities that one can turn to the ADA for protection for or the specific accommodations one can ask for.

 

[Printer]

Harriett: I stand corrected. It is great that you are here to keep me on the straight and narrow. Sometimes I have "senior moments" and reading page 2 of the ADA link that you provided, unfortunally, lead to one of those moments. Page 2 - Definitions reads as follows: DEFINITIONAL TERMS: For a understanding of federal legislation affecting the use of sports as a major life activity, key definitional terms must be present. DISABILITY: The ADA defines a disabled as one whom (a) has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities; (b) has a record of such impairment; or (c) is regarded as having such an inpairment. (ADA 1990). Possessing a physical disability under one of these definitions, does not automatically qualify someone under the ADA. The disability must limit a major life activity to be considered a disabling condition. Also, importantly, minor conditions and temporary impairments, such as broken lims and sprains, are not considered disabilities (ADA 1990). MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITY Determining wheather or not an individual qualifies as a person with a disability under the ADA is a three-step process. The Supreme Court defined the process in Bragdon v Abbott (1998). First, an individual must have a physical or mental impairment. Secondly, the individual must identify the major life activity in which he or she experiences a limitation. Third, the individual must show that the impairment substantially limits the ability to perform a major life activity. Never having been a 7 year old girl, I mistaken jumped to the conclusion that cheering for a 7 year old would not be a MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITY. Please forgive me. Bill

 

[Printer]

Harriett: I stand corrected. It is great that you are here to keep me on the straight and narrow. Sometimes I have "senior moments" and reading page 2 of the ADA link that you provided, unfortunally, lead to one of those moments. Page 2 - Definitions reads as follows: DEFINITIONAL TERMS: For a understanding of federal legislation affecting the use of sports as a major life activity, key definitional terms must be present. DISABILITY: The ADA defines a disabled as one whom (a) has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities; (b) has a record of such impairment; or (c) is regarded as having such an inpairment. (ADA 1990). Possessing a physical disability under one of these definitions, does not automatically qualify someone under the ADA. The disability must limit a major life activity to be considered a disabling condition. Also, importantly, minor conditions and temporary impairments, such as broken lims and sprains, are not considered disabilities (ADA 1990). MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITY Determining wheather or not an individual qualifies as a person with a disability under the ADA is a three-step process. The Supreme Court defined the process in Bragdon v Abbott (1998). First, an individual must have a physical or mental impairment. Secondly, the individual must identify the major life activity in which he or she experiences a limitation. Third, the individual must show that the impairment substantially limits the ability to perform a major life activity. Never having been a 7 year old girl, I mistaken jumped to the conclusion that cheering for a 7 year old would not be a MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITY. Please forgive me. Bill

 

[Printer]

Harriett: <BR><BR>I stand corrected. It is great that you are here to keep me on the straight and narrow. <BR><BR>Sometimes I have "senior moments" and reading page 2 of the ADA link that you provided, unfortunally, lead to one of those moments. Page 2 - Definitions reads as follows: <BR><BR>DEFINITIONAL TERMS: <BR><BR>For a understanding of federal legislation affecting the use of sports as a major life activity, key definitional terms must be present. <BR><BR>DISABILITY: <BR><BR>The ADA defines a disabled as one whom (a) has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities; (b) has a record of such impairment; or (c) is regarded as having such an inpairment. (ADA 1990). Possessing a physical disability under one of these definitions, does not automatically qualify someone under the ADA. The disability must limit a major life activity to be considered a disabling condition. Also, importantly, minor conditions and temporary impairments, such as broken lims and sprains, are not considered disabilities (ADA 1990). <BR><BR>MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITY <BR><BR>Determining wheather or not an individual qualifies as a person with a disability under the ADA is a three-step process. The Supreme Court defined the process in Bragdon v Abbott (1998). First, an individual must have a physical or mental impairment. Secondly, the individual must identify the major life activity in which he or she experiences a limitation. Third, the individual must show that the impairment substantially limits the ability to perform a major life activity. <BR><BR><BR>Never having been a 7 year old girl, I mistaken jumped to the conclusion that cheering for a 7 year old would not be a MAJOR LIFE ACTIVITY. <BR><BR>Please forgive me. <BR><BR>Bill

 

[flatfordl]

One thing we do with Avery (age 8) while she is playing softball is pack her the gatoraide power gels for a quick pick me up. Also, during those hot days of the summer when she is playing multiple games her snack is pickles as well as a shot of pickle juice. Now this is not by any means a high fatty snack but to help in these situations they are quick pick me ups that don't take time away from the game.

 

[flatfordl]

One thing we do with Avery (age 8) while she is playing softball is pack her the gatoraide power gels for a quick pick me up. Also, during those hot days of the summer when she is playing multiple games her snack is pickles as well as a shot of pickle juice. Now this is not by any means a high fatty snack but to help in these situations they are quick pick me ups that don't take time away from the game.

 

[flatfordl]

One thing we do with Avery (age 8) while she is playing softball is pack her the gatoraide power gels for a quick pick me up. Also, during those hot days of the summer when she is playing multiple games her snack is pickles as well as a shot of pickle juice. Now this is not by any means a high fatty snack but to help in these situations they are quick pick me ups that don't take time away from the game.

 

[rmotion]

I think you have to take a step back and look at how upset you are. Not worth it. Out line your case and talk to the people in charge. Not letting a 6 yo not eat is just stupid. In fact not letting any of them not eat is not a good idea. They are young and need food.I recently went to my neices game cheer thing and they are pretty militant about it. Come on these are 6 and 7 year olds, they just want to play it s the stupid parents that make this worship status in pee wee football and cheer.
<br>I would find her something else to do that is less crazy and sane.
<br>This coach has to make concessions, your daughter falls under the ADA, BRING it up to the powers in charge, I am sure they do not want a lawsuit is someone gets sick. I jsut read about a 16 yo high school kid died playing football.
<br>Come on we need to rearrage our priorities in this country. Why do we worship athletes is because it starts here at 6 yo.
<br>If your daughther needs a gtube look at my post here, your daughter is young enough where you can really make a difference if you adopt an aggressive nutritional approach.
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Keep up the good fight, and like I always say dont let the bastards get you down!<br><a href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=903&threadid=611812&enterthread=y">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=903&threadid=611812&enterthread=y</a><br>
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[rmotion]

I think you have to take a step back and look at how upset you are. Not worth it. Out line your case and talk to the people in charge. Not letting a 6 yo not eat is just stupid. In fact not letting any of them not eat is not a good idea. They are young and need food.I recently went to my neices game cheer thing and they are pretty militant about it. Come on these are 6 and 7 year olds, they just want to play it s the stupid parents that make this worship status in pee wee football and cheer.
<br>I would find her something else to do that is less crazy and sane.
<br>This coach has to make concessions, your daughter falls under the ADA, BRING it up to the powers in charge, I am sure they do not want a lawsuit is someone gets sick. I jsut read about a 16 yo high school kid died playing football.
<br>Come on we need to rearrage our priorities in this country. Why do we worship athletes is because it starts here at 6 yo.
<br>If your daughther needs a gtube look at my post here, your daughter is young enough where you can really make a difference if you adopt an aggressive nutritional approach.
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Keep up the good fight, and likeI always saydont let the bastards get you down!<br><a href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=903&threadid=611812&enterthread=y">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=903&threadid=611812&enterthread=y</a><br>
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[rmotion]

<p>I think you have to take a step back and look at how upset you are. Not worth it. <p>Out line your case and talk to the people in charge. Not letting a 6 yo not eat is just stupid. In fact not letting any of them not eat is not a good idea. They are young and need food.<p>I recently went to my neices game cheer thing and they are pretty militant about it. Come on these are 6 and 7 year olds, they just want to play it s the stupid parents that make this worship status in pee wee football and cheer.
<br>I would find her something else to do that is less crazy and sane.
<br>This coach has to make concessions, your daughter falls under the ADA, BRING it up to the powers in charge, I am sure they do not want a lawsuit is someone gets sick. I jsut read about a 16 yo high school kid died playing football.
<br>Come on we need to rearrage our priorities in this country. Why do we worship athletes is because it starts here at 6 yo.
<br>If your daughther needs a gtube look at my post here, your daughter is young enough where you can really make a difference if you adopt an aggressive nutritional approach.
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Keep up the good fight, and likeI always saydont let the bastards get you down!<p><br><a href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=903&threadid=611812&enterthread=y">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=903&threadid=611812&enterthread=y</a><p><br>
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[nhaggard07]

Wow, I had to jump on this forum just to say- Bill, you are an ass!<div>What kind of sad old man cant sympathize about a child w/cf who is having to deal with a situation that is easily rectifiable but can't have a medically necessary snack because of the almighty rules! Or is the point of your argument that you needed to start drama so you can make your vast intelligence known by stating all the facts and trying to rub faces in them? Im sorry to anyone else I offended on here by posting this, and I know this is not a place to act confrontational, but I had to say something after I read Brainiac Bills comments. The only reasoning I can see for some one posting a negative reaction to a subject like this is so he could feed himself egotistically by provoking others.</div>

 

[nhaggard07]

Wow, I had to jump on this forum just to say- Bill, you are an ass!What kind of sad old man cant sympathize about a child w/cf who is having to deal with a situation that is easily rectifiable but can't have a medically necessary snack because of the almighty rules! Or is the point of your argument that you needed to start drama so you can make your vast intelligence known by stating all the facts and trying to rub faces in them? Im sorry to anyone else I offended on here by posting this, and I know this is not a place to act confrontational, but I had to say something after I read Brainiac Bills comments. The only reasoning I can see for some one posting a negative reaction to a subject like this is so he could feed himself egotistically by provoking others.

 

[nhaggard07]

Wow, I had to jump on this forum just to say- Bill, you are an ass!What kind of sad old man cant sympathize about a child w/cf who is having to deal with a situation that is easily rectifiable but can't have a medically necessary snack because of the almighty rules! Or is the point of your argument that you needed to start drama so you can make your vast intelligence known by stating all the facts and trying to rub faces in them? Im sorry to anyone else I offended on here by posting this, and I know this is not a place to act confrontational, but I had to say something after I read Brainiac Bills comments. The only reasoning I can see for some one posting a negative reaction to a subject like this is so he could feed himself egotistically by provoking others.

 

[Beccamom]

I am soooo sorry to hear what your daughter is going through with cheer. I know you have told the coach about CF, but I don't think words can really convey what your daughter is going through. People who do not have children who are medically fragile cannot understand how a mom can get so upset about 1 snack. I would suggest that you invite the cheer coach into your world. Maybe invite her during a time when your daughter is doing her treatments. Don't tell the coach you are inviting her to see the treatments. Just have her come to chat and then spend the chat time setting up the vest/ neb / disinfecting etc. Show her your world in a way you feel comfortable. Your daughter is too young for her friends to see her routine and think much of it. My daughter is 12 and her close freinds have all slept over and seen the lengthy nightly medical routine. Their parents have been very compassionate and professional since she let their children see her world. I think at your child's age you need the adutls involved to see CF as best you can show it. Of course they won't see the axiety you have when a bit of food is left, or the tears for another IV, or the sleepless nights in the hospital, but they will see what you can show them.

On a different take I was a competitive cheerleader all the way through division 1 college. I have not lung disease myself, but my experience with cheer is the more a coach or other mom gives a child a hard time the better athlete the child is. Coaches don't want their best off to the side and parents want to get rid of any competition for their child. I am guessing your daughter is probably a really good cheerleader. By the way their are soccer mom's, dance mom's, cheer mom's, etc etc etc. You are not alone with or without the medical issues which are of course very relevant.

Best wishes.

 

[Beccamom]

I am soooo sorry to hear what your daughter is going through with cheer. I know you have told the coach about CF, but I don't think words can really convey what your daughter is going through. People who do not have children who are medically fragile cannot understand how a mom can get so upset about 1 snack. I would suggest that you invite the cheer coach into your world. Maybe invite her during a time when your daughter is doing her treatments. Don't tell the coach you are inviting her to see the treatments. Just have her come to chat and then spend the chat time setting up the vest/ neb / disinfecting etc. Show her your world in a way you feel comfortable. Your daughter is too young for her friends to see her routine and think much of it. My daughter is 12 and her close freinds have all slept over and seen the lengthy nightly medical routine. Their parents have been very compassionate and professional since she let their children see her world. I think at your child's age you need the adutls involved to see CF as best you can show it. Of course they won't see the axiety you have when a bit of food is left, or the tears for another IV, or the sleepless nights in the hospital, but they will see what you can show them.

On a different take I was a competitive cheerleader all the way through division 1 college. I have not lung disease myself, but my experience with cheer is the more a coach or other mom gives a child a hard time the better athlete the child is. Coaches don't want their best off to the side and parents want to get rid of any competition for their child. I am guessing your daughter is probably a really good cheerleader. By the way their are soccer mom's, dance mom's, cheer mom's, etc etc etc. You are not alone with or without the medical issues which are of course very relevant.

Best wishes.

 

[Beccamom]

I am soooo sorry to hear what your daughter is going through with cheer. I know you have told the coach about CF, but I don't think words can really convey what your daughter is going through. People who do not have children who are medically fragile cannot understand how a mom can get so upset about 1 snack. I would suggest that you invite the cheer coach into your world. Maybe invite her during a time when your daughter is doing her treatments. Don't tell the coach you are inviting her to see the treatments. Just have her come to chat and then spend the chat time setting up the vest/ neb / disinfecting etc. Show her your world in a way you feel comfortable. Your daughter is too young for her friends to see her routine and think much of it. My daughter is 12 and her close freinds have all slept over and seen the lengthy nightly medical routine. Their parents have been very compassionate and professional since she let their children see her world. I think at your child's age you need the adutls involved to see CF as best you can show it. Of course they won't see the axiety you have when a bit of food is left, or the tears for another IV, or the sleepless nights in the hospital, but they will see what you can show them.
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<br />On a different take I was a competitive cheerleader all the way through division 1 college. I have not lung disease myself, but my experience with cheer is the more a coach or other mom gives a child a hard time the better athlete the child is. Coaches don't want their best off to the side and parents want to get rid of any competition for their child. I am guessing your daughter is probably a really good cheerleader. By the way their are soccer mom's, dance mom's, cheer mom's, etc etc etc. You are not alone with or without the medical issues which are of course very relevant.
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<br />Best wishes.

 

[Printer]

There are two separate issues here. First the desire of a mom and her DD to take part in any given activity and believe it or not I understand that. The second issue is a action calling upon the Americans with Disabilitys Act. While I am symphetic to the interest and the problems with cheering, it is a very local event. The idea of any action involving ADA is not only uncalled for but not practical and foolish.

BRAINAC BILL

 

[Printer]

There are two separate issues here. First the desire of a mom and her DD to take part in any given activity and believe it or not I understand that. The second issue is a action calling upon the Americans with Disabilitys Act. While I am symphetic to the interest and the problems with cheering, it is a very local event. The idea of any action involving ADA is not only uncalled for but not practical and foolish.

BRAINAC BILL

 

[Printer]

There are two separate issues here. First the desire of a mom and her DD to take part in any given activity and believe it or not I understand that. The second issue is a action calling upon the Americans with Disabilitys Act. While I am symphetic to the interest and the problems with cheering, it is a very local event. The idea of any action involving ADA is not only uncalled for but not practical and foolish.
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<br />BRAINAC BILL