Sports Organization Discriminating against my daughter w/CF

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Printer

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Let me jump in here again. If I had a 7 year old DD and I took her out on my front lawn and put her through 3 hours of cheerleading with only one break, I would expect a visit from the State Division of Child Services, investigating me for CHILD ABUSE.

This coach is on a power trip and is abusing these children. High School football players are, by law, allowed and encouraged to maintain a healthy hydration. Nothing less should be done for these children and only one break every 90 minutes, for whatever purpose, is abuse.

I would recommend that a group of parents deal with this issue on the basis of abuse and on the coach's power trip. Every state has laws dealing with situations like this and it is a avenue that can be used.

My comments were not directed to the cheeleading abuse. They were directed at the comments, over and over again, that this situation is covered by ADA. It is not and it is misleading.

Bill
 
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Let me jump in here again. If I had a 7 year old DD and I took her out on my front lawn and put her through 3 hours of cheerleading with only one break, I would expect a visit from the State Division of Child Services, investigating me for CHILD ABUSE.

This coach is on a power trip and is abusing these children. High School football players are, by law, allowed and encouraged to maintain a healthy hydration. Nothing less should be done for these children and only one break every 90 minutes, for whatever purpose, is abuse.

I would recommend that a group of parents deal with this issue on the basis of abuse and on the coach's power trip. Every state has laws dealing with situations like this and it is a avenue that can be used.

My comments were not directed to the cheeleading abuse. They were directed at the comments, over and over again, that this situation is covered by ADA. It is not and it is misleading.

Bill
 
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Let me jump in here again. If I had a 7 year old DD and I took her out on my front lawn and put her through 3 hours of cheerleading with only one break, I would expect a visit from the State Division of Child Services, investigating me for CHILD ABUSE.
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<br />This coach is on a power trip and is abusing these children. High School football players are, by law, allowed and encouraged to maintain a healthy hydration. Nothing less should be done for these children and only one break every 90 minutes, for whatever purpose, is abuse.
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<br />I would recommend that a group of parents deal with this issue on the basis of abuse and on the coach's power trip. Every state has laws dealing with situations like this and it is a avenue that can be used.
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<br />My comments were not directed to the cheeleading abuse. They were directed at the comments, over and over again, that this situation is covered by ADA. It is not and it is misleading.
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<br />Bill
 
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<P>I'm not sure why you think that using the ADA is foolish? Do you think it diminishes the law to actually use it? I didn't get the impression from the original posting that she wants to bring a lawsuit or anything of the sort -- she was asking if there is something out there that can back up her position that her daughter needs a sandwich. </P>
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<P>Mom2brinly wasn't asking for the football game to stop so the cheerleaders could take a break so that her daughter could eat. She wants to discretely give her child a snack. If I had a daughter on that cheerleading squad, I go nuts hearing this story. I don't get my kids involved in activities to get them ready for corporate life, learning to follow every rule no matter what. What I want for my kids to learn is that people matter more than rules; I want them to learn compassion. I want them to make friends and learn to watch out for their teammates. When my eldest daughter played soccer, she walked someone off the field who had a bloody nose -- and the other team scored a goal as the two girls walked away. If any parent or coach had said anything about that, they would have gotten an earful from me. But no parent did; the coach commended her. That is why seven year olds play sports. Teamwork and friendship.  </P>
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<P>I don't know what everyone else's kids are like, but for me, no matter how many times I remind them to use the toilet before we go somewhere, they swear they don't need to go (and they probably don't), only to desperately need to go moments after the movie begins or the dinner is served... This coach is demanding that no child take a bathroom break for at least 90 minutes? Sometimes it gets really hot jumping around on a field. They can't stop and take a drink? Seven year olds? This is insanity. It sound like the coach is power run amok. I know she can't have kids wandering all over any time they want, but it's very, very easy to have water bottles lined up (in team colors, even!) and a snack sitting next to the bottle so she could take a bite or two between cheers. And if I had to threaten the organization with ADA, I'd do it in a heartbeat. </P>
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<P>The law is there to make sure that everyone can participate in activities with reasonable accommodations. There is nothing unreasonable about having a snack between cheers. No one else is affected and they may just learn a bit of compassion for their fellow cheerleader. Yeesh.</P>
 
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stringbean

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<P>I'm not sure why you think that using the ADA is foolish? Do you think it diminishes the law to actually use it? I didn't get the impression from the original posting that she wants to bring a lawsuit or anything of the sort -- she was asking if there is something out there that can back up her position that her daughter needs a sandwich. </P>
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<P>Mom2brinly wasn't asking for the football game to stop so the cheerleaders could take a break so that her daughter could eat. She wants to discretely give her child a snack. If I had a daughter on that cheerleading squad, I go nuts hearing this story. I don't get my kids involved in activities to get them ready for corporate life, learning to follow every rule no matter what. What I want for my kids to learn isthat people mattermore than rules; I want them to learncompassion. Iwant them to make friends and learn to watch out for their teammates.When my eldestdaughter played soccer, she walked someone off the field who had a bloody nose -- and the other team scored a goal as the two girls walked away. If anyparent or coach had said anything about that, they would have gotten an earful from me. But no parent did; the coach commended her. That is why seven year olds play sports. Teamwork and friendship. </P>
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<P>I don't know what everyone else's kids are like, but for me, no matter how many times I remind them to use the toilet before we go somewhere, they swear they don't need to go (and they probably don't), only to desperately need to go moments after the movie begins or the dinner is served... This coach is demanding that no child take a bathroom break for at least 90 minutes? Sometimes it gets really hot jumping around on a field. They can't stop and take a drink? Seven year olds? This is insanity. It sound like the coach is power run amok. I knowshe can't have kids wandering all over any time they want, but it's very, very easy to have water bottles lined up (in team colors, even!) and a snack sitting next to the bottle so she could take a bite or two between cheers. Andif I had to threaten the organization with ADA, I'd do it in a heartbeat. </P>
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<P>The law is there to make sure that everyone can participate in activities with reasonable accommodations. There is nothing unreasonable about having a snack between cheers.No one else is affected and they may just learn a bit of compassion for their fellow cheerleader. Yeesh.</P>
 
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stringbean

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<P><BR>I'm not sure why you think that using the ADA is foolish? Do you think it diminishes the law to actually use it? I didn't get the impression from the original posting that she wants to bring a lawsuit or anything of the sort -- she was asking if there is something out there that can back up her position that her daughter needs a sandwich. </P>
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<P>Mom2brinly wasn't asking for the football game to stop so the cheerleaders could take a break so that her daughter could eat. She wants to discretely give her child a snack. If I had a daughter on that cheerleading squad, I go nuts hearing this story. I don't get my kids involved in activities to get them ready for corporate life, learning to follow every rule no matter what. What I want for my kids to learn isthat people mattermore than rules; I want them to learncompassion. Iwant them to make friends and learn to watch out for their teammates.When my eldestdaughter played soccer, she walked someone off the field who had a bloody nose -- and the other team scored a goal as the two girls walked away. If anyparent or coach had said anything about that, they would have gotten an earful from me. But no parent did; the coach commended her. That is why seven year olds play sports. Teamwork and friendship. </P>
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<P>I don't know what everyone else's kids are like, but for me, no matter how many times I remind them to use the toilet before we go somewhere, they swear they don't need to go (and they probably don't), only to desperately need to go moments after the movie begins or the dinner is served... This coach is demanding that no child take a bathroom break for at least 90 minutes? Sometimes it gets really hot jumping around on a field. They can't stop and take a drink? Seven year olds? This is insanity. It sound like the coach is power run amok. I knowshe can't have kids wandering all over any time they want, but it's very, very easy to have water bottles lined up (in team colors, even!) and a snack sitting next to the bottle so she could take a bite or two between cheers. Andif I had to threaten the organization with ADA, I'd do it in a heartbeat. </P>
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<P>The law is there to make sure that everyone can participate in activities with reasonable accommodations. There is nothing unreasonable about having a snack between cheers.No one else is affected and they may just learn a bit of compassion for their fellow cheerleader. Yeesh.</P>
 
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If I took a 7 year old child outdoors and had her practice cheering for 3 hours with only one break, I would get a visit from the State Department of Childrens Services and I would be charged with CHILD ABUSE. This coach is ABUSING all of these children, not oly the CF child.

In my state it is the law that high school football players get as many breaks as necessary to maintain the proper hydration. It is insane to expect 7 year olds to maintain 90 minutes of activity without a break. This, however, is a state issue and not one covered by the ADA. Having CF does NOT AUTOMATICALLY grant disibility to all CF patients under ALL CONDITIONS.

An action, or threat of action, against the cheerleading orginization or coach may be appropiate. Not ADA.

Bill
 
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If I took a 7 year old child outdoors and had her practice cheering for 3 hours with only one break, I would get a visit from the State Department of Childrens Services and I would be charged with CHILD ABUSE. This coach is ABUSING all of these children, not oly the CF child.

In my state it is the law that high school football players get as many breaks as necessary to maintain the proper hydration. It is insane to expect 7 year olds to maintain 90 minutes of activity without a break. This, however, is a state issue and not one covered by the ADA. Having CF does NOT AUTOMATICALLY grant disibility to all CF patients under ALL CONDITIONS.

An action, or threat of action, against the cheerleading orginization or coach may be appropiate. Not ADA.

Bill
 
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If I took a 7 year old child outdoors and had her practice cheering for 3 hours with only one break, I would get a visit from the State Department of Childrens Services and I would be charged with CHILD ABUSE. This coach is ABUSING all of these children, not oly the CF child.
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<br />In my state it is the law that high school football players get as many breaks as necessary to maintain the proper hydration. It is insane to expect 7 year olds to maintain 90 minutes of activity without a break. This, however, is a state issue and not one covered by the ADA. Having CF does NOT AUTOMATICALLY grant disibility to all CF patients under ALL CONDITIONS.
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<br />An action, or threat of action, against the cheerleading orginization or coach may be appropiate. Not ADA.
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<br />Bill
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tammykrumrey

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<P>Just jumping in to say that I am so sorry that this coach is not understanding<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">  Both of my daughters play Club Volleyball, and both have had the most understanding of coaches, as well as teammates.  Neither one of my girls ask for anything special.  BUT, when they need a little extra, such as a bit of time to rest, extra drinks, etc, they get it.  Actually, both of their coaches may notice that they need a little break, before my daughters realize it themselves!!  </P>
<P>My younger daughter also plays softball, and sometimes pitches for an hour of a game, in 90+ temps, and her coaches know that she needs extra breaks...never denied or made to feel that she was letting the team down.  I'm sure that they wouldn't want her passing out on them<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">  And she is probably much like your daughter...in much need of weight gain, no longer on the scale, and feeding tube is very probable in the near future.  But she LOVES to play sports, and nothing is holding her back<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"></P>
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<P>I think if this would happen to one of my daughters, I would be looking for a new cheer team to participate on, especially if she would continue to be put with the same coach.  I would also make it clear exactly why I was pulling my daughter and moving on.  Sometimes situations like this make us see a persons true colors.  </P>
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<P>Good luck!  I just find this so disappointing <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">  ESPECIALLY because she is only 7 years old!  This is not a competetion team here, where her team would suffer because of her being pulled out for a snack!  As I said above, my 12 year old is VERY little.  She is 62 pounds as of today.  Her volleyball practices are 2 hours long. No breaks for snacks, only for drinks.  She will eat right before practice and again right after practice.  It seems to work well for her, but she is 12, not 7.  At 7, she may not have understood completely the need to 'schedule' her eating during practice and tournaments<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"></P>
 
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tammykrumrey

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<P>Just jumping in to say that I am so sorry that this coach is not understanding<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Both of my daughters play Club Volleyball, and both have had the most understanding of coaches, as well as teammates. Neither one of my girls ask for anything special. BUT, when they need a little extra, such as a bit of time to rest, extra drinks, etc, they get it. Actually, both of their coaches may notice that they need a little break, before my daughters realize it themselves!! </P>
<P>My younger daughter also plays softball, and sometimes pitches for an hour of a game, in 90+ temps, and her coaches know that she needs extra breaks...never denied or made to feel that she was letting the team down. I'm sure that they wouldn't want her passing out on them<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> And she is probably much like your daughter...in much need of weight gain, no longer on the scale, and feeding tube is very probable in the near future. But she LOVES to play sports, and nothing is holding her back<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"></P>
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<P>I think if this would happen to one of my daughters, I would be looking for a new cheer team to participate on, especially if she would continue to be put with the same coach. I would also make it clear exactly why I was pulling my daughter and moving on. Sometimes situations like this make us see a persons true colors. </P>
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<P>Good luck! I just find this so disappointing <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> ESPECIALLY because she is only 7 years old! This is not a competetion team here, where her team would suffer because of her being pulled out for a snack!As I said above, my 12 year old is VERY little. She is 62 pounds as of today. Her volleyball practices are 2 hours long. No breaks for snacks, only for drinks. She will eat right before practice and again right after practice. It seems to work well for her, but she is 12, not 7. At 7, she may not have understood completely the need to 'schedule' her eating during practice and tournaments<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"></P>
 
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tammykrumrey

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<P><BR>Just jumping in to say that I am so sorry that this coach is not understanding<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Both of my daughters play Club Volleyball, and both have had the most understanding of coaches, as well as teammates. Neither one of my girls ask for anything special. BUT, when they need a little extra, such as a bit of time to rest, extra drinks, etc, they get it. Actually, both of their coaches may notice that they need a little break, before my daughters realize it themselves!! </P>
<P>My younger daughter also plays softball, and sometimes pitches for an hour of a game, in 90+ temps, and her coaches know that she needs extra breaks...never denied or made to feel that she was letting the team down. I'm sure that they wouldn't want her passing out on them<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> And she is probably much like your daughter...in much need of weight gain, no longer on the scale, and feeding tube is very probable in the near future. But she LOVES to play sports, and nothing is holding her back<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"></P>
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<P>I think if this would happen to one of my daughters, I would be looking for a new cheer team to participate on, especially if she would continue to be put with the same coach. I would also make it clear exactly why I was pulling my daughter and moving on. Sometimes situations like this make us see a persons true colors. </P>
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<P>Good luck! I just find this so disappointing <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> ESPECIALLY because she is only 7 years old! This is not a competetion team here, where her team would suffer because of her being pulled out for a snack!As I said above, my 12 year old is VERY little. She is 62 pounds as of today. Her volleyball practices are 2 hours long. No breaks for snacks, only for drinks. She will eat right before practice and again right after practice. It seems to work well for her, but she is 12, not 7. At 7, she may not have understood completely the need to 'schedule' her eating during practice and tournaments<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"></P>
 
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