Stats on People with CF and Carriers having Children with CF?

anonymous

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I have to agree with the post saying to listen to your heart and not your neighbor.

If you only want a biological child, then that is what you should do. It doesn't matter that adoption was the right choice for someone else. It may not be the right choice for you.

That doesn't mean that you are looking down on them for adopting. Just that it is not the best choice for you.

Go with your heart.
 

JazzysMom

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IMHO I dont think spiteful is accurate, but if you dont feel comfortable with your words being quoted than you did the appropriate thing by removing them. I forr one like the quotes being used to make sure we arent confusing the responses to someone elses post. Of course I am only referring to civil & informative ones...not the times that the quote is used wrongfully!
 

julie

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Chantel,

I'm sorry for some of the responsese you've recieved on here. It's one thing to share opinions, even if they differ. It's another thing to attack someone and shove your belief down their throat. I'm sorry that has happened to you.

As for the percentages of CF if your partners is a carrier, YES, it is at 50% chance of having a child with CF and a 50% chance of having a carrier. Risks I personally would not take, but you are not a bad person if that is the choice you make. You have to do what works for you and is in line with your beliefs and your faith. Here's a table of CF probabilities: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com/Where_to_begin_carrierTesting.html
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I can understand really wanting a biological child, I can. When I was younger, I ALWAYS wanted children, I thought maybe I'd give birth to 1 or 2 and then adopt 1 or 2 (if I could afford to, adoption isn't cheap!). Then I met Mark. He told me he likely couldn't have kids, and that he didn't think adoption was for him. I pressed the adoption issue for a while, and we talked about it, never making a decision yes or no, but never closing the door either.

After years of researching, I found out that men with CF CAN have biological children and shared all of this information with him. He was beyone extatic about it. Going from thinking you'd NEVER be able to have biological children to finding out you can, what life changing information.

So, we decided we'd do one round of IVF. Mainly because it was all we could afford, but also because I decided once was all I could mentally and emotionally handle. If the IVF didn't work, we WOULD move onto adoption. Neither of us were against adoption, but to be honest it wasn't our first choice either.

People ask me often (when they learn about our situation), "why didn't you adopt, so many kids need homes". And my response is that I have yearned all my life to be pregnant. Nothing can replace the feeling I have when I feel my babies moving inside of me, nothing can mimic the joy on my husbands face when his babies do "alien" movements at midnight across my stomach, nothing will stick out so clearly in my mind as the first time my husband felt a baby move, the first time he heard the hearbeat, the first indication in my stomach area that I was pregnant and could no longer fit into my jeans (oh how he laughed!). I laugh everytime I stand up and can't see my feet anymore. There are so many things that adoption cannot fulfill for me or for him. Yes you can breastfeed an adopted baby, and if that was the route we choose, I WOULD have breastfed any baby we adopted. But first and foremost we wanted to try IVF for a baby I could give birth to.

So, I can understand just how you and your BF feel.

Also, there is nothing wrong with talking about or even considering having kids before marriage- In MY OPINION! I'm religious, so I've sinned... shoot me. I know it's "wrong" by my religion, but unfortunately that doesn't change my opinion. Before we knew for sure Mark couldn't have kids, we were trying... YEARS before we were married.

Anybody who said to you something about getting a husband as opposed to a boyfriend before having children, BETTER NOT have had sex yet, or at least BETTER have been married before they had sex. IF not, what a hypocrite. Everytime you have sex, you risk having a child.... and if it's a religious thing, they the sex before marriage should go hand in hand with the children before marriage!

You two are actually wise (again, in my opinion) to be discussing all of these things now. Better to hash it out and find out you don't share the same opinions now (lifechanging opinions/beliefs) then to find out 2 years into your marriage.

If he is a carrier, you DO have options to still have a biological child! First, get him tested through one of the labs that does extensive CF carrier testing, Ambry Genetics or Quest Diagnostics. If he is a carrier, you can always look into IVF with PGD. The PGD will identify the embryos with 2 CF mutations and then you can use the embryos that contain only 1 CF mutation (i.e. a carrier)
IVF and PGD is expensive, but more and more cases are being covered by insurance when you write a letter to them explaining that you have CF, your husband/BF is a carrier and therefore you have a 50% chance of having a child with CF. When put to the ins. company this way, many are actually covering IVF and PGD because they are finally realizing the possible long term costs of CF care for a child are MUCH more than the $17k they will shell out in coverage for IVF and PGD. They will spend more than $17K in the first WEEK of that childs life if he/she has CF... so many are starting to pay.

If that doesn't work, there is a website, www.inciid.org and they have a program called, "from the Heart" where they award scholarships to couples who's only chance to concieve is IVF. Granted, you could probably concieve naturally, BUT you are trying to prevent bringing another child with CF into this world. They will respect that. You have to write a statement of WHY you need IVF and that would be your opportunity to explain why you are choosing IVF with PGD. They are LEGITIMATE. I was choosen for a cycle this year in March... unfortunately I was already pregnant and since the doctors donate services, it wasn't like they could reimburse me for the cash I spent. And the dr. wasn't going to give money back to someone who had already paid... but they are a legitimate company and they have quite a few success stories of "heart" babies on their website.

Best of luck whatever you choose, and do what works for YOU and for your BF. You two are the only ones who have to live with your decision!!!
 

Allie

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I didn't say no sex before marriage, I said no willful planning of a child before marriage, and taking steps to actively avoid pregnancy. And yes, I practice what I preach, I knew I would be married before I willfully tried for a child. And I was.

Why do I say this? Marriage is tough. Relationships are tough. It is easier to get out of a relationship than a marriage, marriage changes things for you and cements things for the long haul. You can't say "I'm done with you" and move out. You have to get a divorce, etc.

Kids put a strain on your relationship at times, sometimes major, sometimes minor. Anyone who doesn't believe this either hasn't had kids or is on drugs. Anything that will help you stay together, to protect your child from a broken home, is important. Things aren't always avoidable, but your child deserves to have you try. If you look at people who get pregnant out of wedlock, versus married, who stays with the father more?
 

Lilith

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Allie</b></i> It is easier to get
out of a relationship than a marriage, marriage changes things for
you and cements things for the long haul. You can't say "I'm
done with you" and move out. You have to get a divorce, etc.
Kids put a strain on your relationship at times, sometimes major,
sometimes minor. Anyone who doesn't believe this either hasn't had
kids or is on drugs. Anything that will help you stay together, to
protect your child from a broken home, is important. Things aren't
always avoidable, but your child deserves to have you try. If you
look at people who get pregnant out of wedlock, versus married, who
stays with the father more?</end quote></div><br>
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Thank you for saying this, Allie.  Whether you are religious
are not, it is a better idea to get pregnant AFTER you've cemented
your relationship.  Sorry, but its true.  I've seen too
many cases where couples have a kid because they're so "in
love", the relationship doesn't work and one of the parents
walks out, and more often than not the mothers end up on welfare.
 And some of them get preggers just to leech off of the
system!  It pisses me off, if you couldn't tell already.
 I'm sure someone's going to come back with, "Well,
you can be in love enough to have a child and not be married."
 This is true, but you'd better be damn sure of your
relationship.  As in 100% positive your partner isn't going to
turn tail and take off one day.  As Allie said, if
something ever happens, its easier to walk out than face a divorce.
 

anonymous

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One issue that I haven't seen in this discussion is about how easy or difficult it is for a person with CF to adopt a child. Are the agencies looking for people where both parents are free of major health problems? I know my husband and I could provide for a child from the financial aspect with no difficulty even if one of us chose to quit our job, but would we be denied due to the CF status? Specifically, would this be more difficult if the couple was hoping to adopt an infant rather than an older child?

Another possibility that I haven't seen discussed is using the mother with cf's egg and the husbands sperm, but getting a non-cf surrogate mother so that the person with cf doesn't have that strain on their body and doesn't have to avoid certain drugs? Does this work? I'm thinknig that this could be combined with teh PGD thing that Julie was talking about in the case that the husband was a carrier and could be done more simply if he wasn't?
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lgrace217</b></i>

I removed my posts on this subject. Please stop quoting them in your replies. It borders on spiteful.</end quote></div>

i have to say i'm disappointed that you removed your comments.

just becuase people came back and bit at you for what you said, doesn't mean you didn't have valid points. why did you let people intimidate you?

if you believe something, you should state it. no matter who is going to come back and attack you.

it seems to be a pattern that those with more "conservative" values tend to back down when challenged more quickly that those with "liberal" values. i wonder why that is.

i'm sad that you felt you had to withdraw your comments. and i hope you continue to post because i think you had great points.
 

julie

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Anon prior to Amy, I think Allie would be a good person to talk to about the adoption questions you presented, she's been there. I honestly have no idea how it works and my DH and I weren't going to investigate until the time came... But Allie could definately answer some of your questions.
Although I'd cosider starting a new topic since this one was about carriers and CFers having a child, and not adoption.
 

Allie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>One issue that I haven't seen in this discussion is about how easy or difficult it is for a person with CF to adopt a child. Are the agencies looking for people where both parents are free of major health problems? I know my husband and I could provide for a child from the financial aspect with no difficulty even if one of us chose to quit our job, but would we be denied due to the CF status? Specifically, would this be more difficult if the couple was hoping to adopt an infant rather than an older child? </end quote></div>

We had no trouble adopting with Ry's CF. WE had his doctor veryify that his health was stable, we proved that we'd have the financial statua to care for her, and it wasn't a huge problem. I'm sure it has been for someone, somewhere, but not for us, in a domestic adoption.
 

Diane

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Hmmmmm after reading all the responses you got, i too , like Julie, am sorry you basicaly got attacked in this thread. I thought it was VERY mature of you to get advice so you can be prepared and arm youself with info. Like others said, do whats best for YOU and whats in YOUR heart, because you are the one who has to live with the results.
 

NoExcuses

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do what's best for the KID. it's your KID who has no say in the matter and will have to live with the results. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Diane

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We wouldnt be here if all of our parents chose not to have us ( if they had that option) . A point to ponder...............<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Diane

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Let me add, i am not saying she should throw caution to the wind and have a child if the child will have cf. But thank God some of our parents werent faced with this issue and decided to do whats best for us and not have us for fear of our having cf. I value my life cf or no cf, and am glad my parents didnt do "whats best for the KID"
 

Allie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>We wouldnt be here if all of our parents chose not to have us ( if they had that option) . A point to ponder............... </end quote></div>

This is a fallacious arguement. If we weren't born, we wouldn't care, because we would have no idea. And no one else would care, because they would never have known us at all. If you really feel like we should swing wide the gates of reproduction, I am to assume you oppose birth control?
 

lightNlife

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I love it!<br>
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<b>Endless loop</b> :  see Loop, endless<br>
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Maybe someone should check that chlorine floaty in the gene pool.
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Diane

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Nope not at all.......... i never attempted to have children and never will. BUT, i sure wont tell someone else what to do. Thats not my place nor anyone elses. She just wanted advice, not criticism ,or be called immature for asking for advice.
 

Scarlett81

New member
OMFG

This conversation hurts me very much b/c I just keep putting myself in this girl's position.

She comes here for advice, speaks freely, and no matter what she says her throat is jumped down.

I've avoided this ridiculous debate till now, but-

Sure this is a controversial topic. But stop and think for a minute ok? Just stop. Whether it is adoption or birth, a cf child or a no cf child-

We are talking about CHILDREN here and MOTHERHOOD. Come on. They are supposed to be beautiful things. And frankly if you don't have kids or have no intention to have kids-why are you making such bold-my word is god-comments? Really.

Whether a child has Cf or doesn't, that child is still worthwhile and deeply treasured by their parents and God. Whether it is adopted or born into a family, the same!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO right or wrong here. Asbsolutely none. To tell someone-Oh, well you're not ready to have kids, b/c you said this, blah blah blah...Who do you think you are?!

And for the record, I AM adopted. And I want to give birth to a baby. Well I guess I'm going to H*LL.

Some people do not want to adopt. There is nothing wrong with that. Some sick people want to take the odds and have a baby. There is nothing wrong with that. Some sick people want to take the odds and adopt, hoping they won't die and scar an adopted child all over again in life.

And as an adopted adult-I am deeply offended that the general idea around here is, well if you have cf and adopt its better tham having a baby b/c you could have a baby and die and that's irresposible to the baby...............................so I guess an adopted kid should just be grateful that they were "taken" in anyway? Even if their parent dies from Cf? Something to think about, maybe before you speak.

Chantel, follow your heart. If it says, this is the man for you, keep him. If it says adopt, do that. If it says have baby do that. Best wishes to you.
 

Allie

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>And as an adopted adult-I am deeply offended that the general idea around here is, well if you have cf and adopt its better tham having a baby b/c you could have a baby and die and that's irresposible to the baby...............................so I guess an adopted kid should just be grateful that they were "taken" in anyway? Even if their parent dies from Cf? Something to think about, maybe before you speak. </end quote></div>

Not at all, I will never say that you shouldn't have a baby because you'll scar it by dying. having a baby can adversely affect your health and make you die SOONER. That's what I say, and that having a CF kid would be hard on your husband/lover/whatever is popular now. If Ahava had Cf too, I couldn't take it, not to mention the kid watching the parent die of the same thing they have.
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

To tell someone-Oh, well you're not ready to have kids, b/c you said this, blah blah blah...Who do you think you are?!

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i can speak my mind just as you have. just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean you have the right to silence me or ask me "who do you think you are?" i think i'm a person with an opinion. my guess is that's who you think you are too.

disagreement is ok.

not everyone is going to agree with your opinion. so relax.

i've said it many times before. if you can't handle disagreement or people not having the same opinions as you, then don't post.

this forum gives no one the entitlement to have everyone agree with them.
 
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