Stem Cell Research Veto

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I notice, reading through this thread again, that a few people are saying that there are no cures with embryonic stem cell research, which is true but neither are there complete cures with adult stem cells (yet). Maybe it's just me and I'm reading this skewed but I thought I'd point that out. There has been breakthroughs with both embryonic cells and adult cells. Though, personally, it seems that they're making more headway with adult stem cells.

Embryonic:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm">http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm</a> Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Adult:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...lth/article1637528.ece</a> Diabetics cured in stem-cell treatment advance (this shouldn't say cured as all of the patients in the study were not successful in getting rid of insulin shots, it's only a few years out, the group was type 1, and they were all young eg. not a broad range of diabetics)
 
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IG

Guest
I notice, reading through this thread again, that a few people are saying that there are no cures with embryonic stem cell research, which is true but neither are there complete cures with adult stem cells (yet). Maybe it's just me and I'm reading this skewed but I thought I'd point that out. There has been breakthroughs with both embryonic cells and adult cells. Though, personally, it seems that they're making more headway with adult stem cells.

Embryonic:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm">http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm</a> Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Adult:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...lth/article1637528.ece</a> Diabetics cured in stem-cell treatment advance (this shouldn't say cured as all of the patients in the study were not successful in getting rid of insulin shots, it's only a few years out, the group was type 1, and they were all young eg. not a broad range of diabetics)
 
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IG

Guest
I notice, reading through this thread again, that a few people are saying that there are no cures with embryonic stem cell research, which is true but neither are there complete cures with adult stem cells (yet). Maybe it's just me and I'm reading this skewed but I thought I'd point that out. There has been breakthroughs with both embryonic cells and adult cells. Though, personally, it seems that they're making more headway with adult stem cells.

Embryonic:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm">http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm</a> Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Adult:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...lth/article1637528.ece</a> Diabetics cured in stem-cell treatment advance (this shouldn't say cured as all of the patients in the study were not successful in getting rid of insulin shots, it's only a few years out, the group was type 1, and they were all young eg. not a broad range of diabetics)
 
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IG

Guest
I notice, reading through this thread again, that a few people are saying that there are no cures with embryonic stem cell research, which is true but neither are there complete cures with adult stem cells (yet). Maybe it's just me and I'm reading this skewed but I thought I'd point that out. There has been breakthroughs with both embryonic cells and adult cells. Though, personally, it seems that they're making more headway with adult stem cells.

Embryonic:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm">http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm</a> Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Adult:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...lth/article1637528.ece</a> Diabetics cured in stem-cell treatment advance (this shouldn't say cured as all of the patients in the study were not successful in getting rid of insulin shots, it's only a few years out, the group was type 1, and they were all young eg. not a broad range of diabetics)
 
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IG

Guest
I notice, reading through this thread again, that a few people are saying that there are no cures with embryonic stem cell research, which is true but neither are there complete cures with adult stem cells (yet). Maybe it's just me and I'm reading this skewed but I thought I'd point that out. There has been breakthroughs with both embryonic cells and adult cells. Though, personally, it seems that they're making more headway with adult stem cells.

Embryonic:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm">http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm</a> Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Adult:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...lth/article1637528.ece</a> Diabetics cured in stem-cell treatment advance (this shouldn't say cured as all of the patients in the study were not successful in getting rid of insulin shots, it's only a few years out, the group was type 1, and they were all young eg. not a broad range of diabetics)
 
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IG

Guest
I notice, reading through this thread again, that a few people are saying that there are no cures with embryonic stem cell research, which is true but neither are there complete cures with adult stem cells (yet). Maybe it's just me and I'm reading this skewed but I thought I'd point that out. There has been breakthroughs with both embryonic cells and adult cells. Though, personally, it seems that they're making more headway with adult stem cells.

Embryonic:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm">http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2006/ninds-20.htm</a> Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Adult:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...lth/article1637528.ece</a> Diabetics cured in stem-cell treatment advance (this shouldn't say cured as all of the patients in the study were not successful in getting rid of insulin shots, it's only a few years out, the group was type 1, and they were all young eg. not a broad range of diabetics)
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JazzysMom</b></i>
I dont want this to turn into a political/Bush bashing debate. </end quote></div>

You ruined my fun before I even had a chance to have any!!! *stomps feet*
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JazzysMom</b></i>
I dont want this to turn into a political/Bush bashing debate. </end quote></div>

You ruined my fun before I even had a chance to have any!!! *stomps feet*
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JazzysMom</b></i>
I dont want this to turn into a political/Bush bashing debate. </end quote></div>

You ruined my fun before I even had a chance to have any!!! *stomps feet*
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JazzysMom</b></i>
I dont want this to turn into a political/Bush bashing debate. </end quote></div>

You ruined my fun before I even had a chance to have any!!! *stomps feet*
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JazzysMom</b></i>
I dont want this to turn into a political/Bush bashing debate. </end quote>

You ruined my fun before I even had a chance to have any!!! *stomps feet*
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JazzysMom</b></i>
I dont want this to turn into a political/Bush bashing debate. </end quote>

You ruined my fun before I even had a chance to have any!!! *stomps feet*
 
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Fruity

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Just to be clear, in no way would stem cell research be done by impregnanting women and then aborting the fetus growing inside them. This is -not- what they do. Eggs are implanted with a sperm in a dish. At day four to five of cell division/multiplication, the stem cells are retrieved from the blastocyst. No implantation in a uterus is necessary.



The other frusterating part of this bill i that it dismisses the use of another type of stemcell retrival called parthenogenesis. Present in nature as a form of life creation, this type of retrival DOES NOT involve implanting an egg with a sperm, ergo, not a fetus, shouldn't be red tape. But it is labelled stem cell research and so it's thrown in the bin with wrong.



Hope that is informative. If it brings up more questions, please feel free to PM me. I'm always willing to talk about this one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">



Ceci
 
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Fruity

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Just to be clear, in no way would stem cell research be done by impregnanting women and then aborting the fetus growing inside them. This is -not- what they do. Eggs are implanted with a sperm in a dish. At day four to five of cell division/multiplication, the stem cells are retrieved from the blastocyst. No implantation in a uterus is necessary.



The other frusterating part of this bill i that it dismisses the use of another type of stemcell retrival called parthenogenesis. Present in nature as a form of life creation, this type of retrival DOES NOT involve implanting an egg with a sperm, ergo, not a fetus, shouldn't be red tape. But it is labelled stem cell research and so it's thrown in the bin with wrong.



Hope that is informative. If it brings up more questions, please feel free to PM me. I'm always willing to talk about this one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">



Ceci
 
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Fruity

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Just to be clear, in no way would stem cell research be done by impregnanting women and then aborting the fetus growing inside them. This is -not- what they do. Eggs are implanted with a sperm in a dish. At day four to five of cell division/multiplication, the stem cells are retrieved from the blastocyst. No implantation in a uterus is necessary.



The other frusterating part of this bill i that it dismisses the use of another type of stemcell retrival called parthenogenesis. Present in nature as a form of life creation, this type of retrival DOES NOT involve implanting an egg with a sperm, ergo, not a fetus, shouldn't be red tape. But it is labelled stem cell research and so it's thrown in the bin with wrong.



Hope that is informative. If it brings up more questions, please feel free to PM me. I'm always willing to talk about this one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">



Ceci
 
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Fruity

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Just to be clear, in no way would stem cell research be done by impregnanting women and then aborting the fetus growing inside them. This is -not- what they do. Eggs are implanted with a sperm in a dish. At day four to five of cell division/multiplication, the stem cells are retrieved from the blastocyst. No implantation in a uterus is necessary.



The other frusterating part of this bill i that it dismisses the use of another type of stemcell retrival called parthenogenesis. Present in nature as a form of life creation, this type of retrival DOES NOT involve implanting an egg with a sperm, ergo, not a fetus, shouldn't be red tape. But it is labelled stem cell research and so it's thrown in the bin with wrong.



Hope that is informative. If it brings up more questions, please feel free to PM me. I'm always willing to talk about this one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">



Ceci
 
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Fruity

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Just to be clear, in no way would stem cell research be done by impregnanting women and then aborting the fetus growing inside them. This is -not- what they do. Eggs are implanted with a sperm in a dish. At day four to five of cell division/multiplication, the stem cells are retrieved from the blastocyst. No implantation in a uterus is necessary.



The other frusterating part of this bill i that it dismisses the use of another type of stemcell retrival called parthenogenesis. Present in nature as a form of life creation, this type of retrival DOES NOT involve implanting an egg with a sperm, ergo, not a fetus, shouldn't be red tape. But it is labelled stem cell research and so it's thrown in the bin with wrong.



Hope that is informative. If it brings up more questions, please feel free to PM me. I'm always willing to talk about this one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">



Ceci
 
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Fruity

New member
Just to be clear, in no way would stem cell research be done by impregnanting women and then aborting the fetus growing inside them. This is -not- what they do. Eggs are implanted with a sperm in a dish. At day four to five of cell division/multiplication, the stem cells are retrieved from the blastocyst. No implantation in a uterus is necessary.



The other frusterating part of this bill i that it dismisses the use of another type of stemcell retrival called parthenogenesis. Present in nature as a form of life creation, this type of retrival DOES NOT involve implanting an egg with a sperm, ergo, not a fetus, shouldn't be red tape. But it is labelled stem cell research and so it's thrown in the bin with wrong.



Hope that is informative. If it brings up more questions, please feel free to PM me. I'm always willing to talk about this one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">



Ceci
 
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NoExcuses

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I want to be clear as well.

What Bush vetoed is <b><u> <i> additional </i>government funding </b> </u>for embryonic stem cell research.

There are already I think 4-5 embryonic stem cell lines the government is researching and he doesn't want to increase the # of lines. Sorry if someone has said this earlier in the thread.

The research on those 4-5 lines will continue. Bush will not authorize research on additional lines.

Private companies can do research on embryonic stem cells all they want, however. There just won't be funding from the Federal Government. That's all that's going on....

Here in California, the State of California funds a bunch of stem cell research. We passed a bill a few years ago....
 
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NoExcuses

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I want to be clear as well.

What Bush vetoed is <b><u> <i> additional </i>government funding </b> </u>for embryonic stem cell research.

There are already I think 4-5 embryonic stem cell lines the government is researching and he doesn't want to increase the # of lines. Sorry if someone has said this earlier in the thread.

The research on those 4-5 lines will continue. Bush will not authorize research on additional lines.

Private companies can do research on embryonic stem cells all they want, however. There just won't be funding from the Federal Government. That's all that's going on....

Here in California, the State of California funds a bunch of stem cell research. We passed a bill a few years ago....
 
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