Those who live out of U.S. with Socialized Medicine

thelizardqueen

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I agree with Ender. Like him, I live in Canada too. I get all of my meds free, treatment is free, hospital stays free, etc. While our waiting lists for non life threatening procedures can be a bit of a wait. I know of a lot of great CF centers here in Canada. I live in Manitoba, Canada which only has one center, but I believe that Ontario has quite a few!
 

thelizardqueen

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I agree with Ender. Like him, I live in Canada too. I get all of my meds free, treatment is free, hospital stays free, etc. While our waiting lists for non life threatening procedures can be a bit of a wait. I know of a lot of great CF centers here in Canada. I live in Manitoba, Canada which only has one center, but I believe that Ontario has quite a few!
 

thelizardqueen

New member
I agree with Ender. Like him, I live in Canada too. I get all of my meds free, treatment is free, hospital stays free, etc. While our waiting lists for non life threatening procedures can be a bit of a wait. I know of a lot of great CF centers here in Canada. I live in Manitoba, Canada which only has one center, but I believe that Ontario has quite a few!
 

thelizardqueen

New member
I agree with Ender. Like him, I live in Canada too. I get all of my meds free, treatment is free, hospital stays free, etc. While our waiting lists for non life threatening procedures can be a bit of a wait. I know of a lot of great CF centers here in Canada. I live in Manitoba, Canada which only has one center, but I believe that Ontario has quite a few!
 

thelizardqueen

New member
I agree with Ender. Like him, I live in Canada too. I get all of my meds free, treatment is free, hospital stays free, etc. While our waiting lists for non life threatening procedures can be a bit of a wait. I know of a lot of great CF centers here in Canada. I live in Manitoba, Canada which only has one center, but I believe that Ontario has quite a few!
 

Landy

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I have a few questions to add to the OP's.

1) Let's say I live in Canada & need a knee replacement surgery...what's an example of how long I'd have to wait before I could have the surgery?

2) Have any of you CFs that have socialized medicine been unable to be admitted to a hospital for a tune-up because they were full, and if so, how common is this?

3) Can you choose your own doctor, or is your doctor assigned to you?

Thanks<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Landy

New member
I have a few questions to add to the OP's.

1) Let's say I live in Canada & need a knee replacement surgery...what's an example of how long I'd have to wait before I could have the surgery?

2) Have any of you CFs that have socialized medicine been unable to be admitted to a hospital for a tune-up because they were full, and if so, how common is this?

3) Can you choose your own doctor, or is your doctor assigned to you?

Thanks<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Landy

New member
I have a few questions to add to the OP's.

1) Let's say I live in Canada & need a knee replacement surgery...what's an example of how long I'd have to wait before I could have the surgery?

2) Have any of you CFs that have socialized medicine been unable to be admitted to a hospital for a tune-up because they were full, and if so, how common is this?

3) Can you choose your own doctor, or is your doctor assigned to you?

Thanks<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Landy

New member
I have a few questions to add to the OP's.

1) Let's say I live in Canada & need a knee replacement surgery...what's an example of how long I'd have to wait before I could have the surgery?

2) Have any of you CFs that have socialized medicine been unable to be admitted to a hospital for a tune-up because they were full, and if so, how common is this?

3) Can you choose your own doctor, or is your doctor assigned to you?

Thanks<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Landy

New member
I have a few questions to add to the OP's.

1) Let's say I live in Canada & need a knee replacement surgery...what's an example of how long I'd have to wait before I could have the surgery?

2) Have any of you CFs that have socialized medicine been unable to be admitted to a hospital for a tune-up because they were full, and if so, how common is this?

3) Can you choose your own doctor, or is your doctor assigned to you?

Thanks<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Faust

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Overall, the people and politicians against proposed socialized medicine in America are either #1: People with an interest in keeping our health care for profit or #2: People who believe all the crap they hear in mainstream media saying it is a bad idea. If you look at government pork spending, special interests/lobbyists, and financial ear marks included in frivolous bills, not to mention the financial hemorrhage that is the Iraq war, if anyone can actually say with a straight face that it's impossible to make sure every legal citizen gets quality free health care, they are drones fed from the media teet, or just flat out uninformed.


I seriously have no idea how adult CF's do it. Medicare with it's donut hole is a joke. Medicaid is a joke (you basically can't earn/own anything nor can you live with anyone that makes anything either). If you are lucky enough to work for a period of time with a debilitating chronic illness, there is a good chance the insurance offered by your job really sucks for you and the state you are in. If I didn't have my moms insurance, I would either be totally screwed, have to move to Canada/another country with socialized medicine ,spend a VERY large - almost all of my paycheck on the premium of cobra or my mates domestic partner insurance, or live in a very small effeciency apartment in the ghetto and literally have no to little income and own really nothing of any value to get on Medicaid.


yeah we have an great system here in the states. While the movie Sicko can be taken out of context and be used against it's creator for the sake of partisan politics, the film is indeed very factual (where facts are used instead of stated opinions). Just like everything else, it's all about the $$$$$. Follow the big rivers of cash, and it all comes back to the slimey people in suits in Washington, D.C. Watch the movie, and you will see just where everything goes to crap. As soon as Nixon heard a proposal from a lobbyist proposing the potential profitability of the HMO/managed health care for profit system. That was the beginning of the end regarding health care. Of course, just like my other thread, i'm just a crazy guy that wears tin foil hats. It makes people comfortable if they say/believe that.
 

Faust

New member
Overall, the people and politicians against proposed socialized medicine in America are either #1: People with an interest in keeping our health care for profit or #2: People who believe all the crap they hear in mainstream media saying it is a bad idea. If you look at government pork spending, special interests/lobbyists, and financial ear marks included in frivolous bills, not to mention the financial hemorrhage that is the Iraq war, if anyone can actually say with a straight face that it's impossible to make sure every legal citizen gets quality free health care, they are drones fed from the media teet, or just flat out uninformed.


I seriously have no idea how adult CF's do it. Medicare with it's donut hole is a joke. Medicaid is a joke (you basically can't earn/own anything nor can you live with anyone that makes anything either). If you are lucky enough to work for a period of time with a debilitating chronic illness, there is a good chance the insurance offered by your job really sucks for you and the state you are in. If I didn't have my moms insurance, I would either be totally screwed, have to move to Canada/another country with socialized medicine ,spend a VERY large - almost all of my paycheck on the premium of cobra or my mates domestic partner insurance, or live in a very small effeciency apartment in the ghetto and literally have no to little income and own really nothing of any value to get on Medicaid.


yeah we have an great system here in the states. While the movie Sicko can be taken out of context and be used against it's creator for the sake of partisan politics, the film is indeed very factual (where facts are used instead of stated opinions). Just like everything else, it's all about the $$$$$. Follow the big rivers of cash, and it all comes back to the slimey people in suits in Washington, D.C. Watch the movie, and you will see just where everything goes to crap. As soon as Nixon heard a proposal from a lobbyist proposing the potential profitability of the HMO/managed health care for profit system. That was the beginning of the end regarding health care. Of course, just like my other thread, i'm just a crazy guy that wears tin foil hats. It makes people comfortable if they say/believe that.
 

Faust

New member
Overall, the people and politicians against proposed socialized medicine in America are either #1: People with an interest in keeping our health care for profit or #2: People who believe all the crap they hear in mainstream media saying it is a bad idea. If you look at government pork spending, special interests/lobbyists, and financial ear marks included in frivolous bills, not to mention the financial hemorrhage that is the Iraq war, if anyone can actually say with a straight face that it's impossible to make sure every legal citizen gets quality free health care, they are drones fed from the media teet, or just flat out uninformed.


I seriously have no idea how adult CF's do it. Medicare with it's donut hole is a joke. Medicaid is a joke (you basically can't earn/own anything nor can you live with anyone that makes anything either). If you are lucky enough to work for a period of time with a debilitating chronic illness, there is a good chance the insurance offered by your job really sucks for you and the state you are in. If I didn't have my moms insurance, I would either be totally screwed, have to move to Canada/another country with socialized medicine ,spend a VERY large - almost all of my paycheck on the premium of cobra or my mates domestic partner insurance, or live in a very small effeciency apartment in the ghetto and literally have no to little income and own really nothing of any value to get on Medicaid.


yeah we have an great system here in the states. While the movie Sicko can be taken out of context and be used against it's creator for the sake of partisan politics, the film is indeed very factual (where facts are used instead of stated opinions). Just like everything else, it's all about the $$$$$. Follow the big rivers of cash, and it all comes back to the slimey people in suits in Washington, D.C. Watch the movie, and you will see just where everything goes to crap. As soon as Nixon heard a proposal from a lobbyist proposing the potential profitability of the HMO/managed health care for profit system. That was the beginning of the end regarding health care. Of course, just like my other thread, i'm just a crazy guy that wears tin foil hats. It makes people comfortable if they say/believe that.
 

Faust

New member
Overall, the people and politicians against proposed socialized medicine in America are either #1: People with an interest in keeping our health care for profit or #2: People who believe all the crap they hear in mainstream media saying it is a bad idea. If you look at government pork spending, special interests/lobbyists, and financial ear marks included in frivolous bills, not to mention the financial hemorrhage that is the Iraq war, if anyone can actually say with a straight face that it's impossible to make sure every legal citizen gets quality free health care, they are drones fed from the media teet, or just flat out uninformed.


I seriously have no idea how adult CF's do it. Medicare with it's donut hole is a joke. Medicaid is a joke (you basically can't earn/own anything nor can you live with anyone that makes anything either). If you are lucky enough to work for a period of time with a debilitating chronic illness, there is a good chance the insurance offered by your job really sucks for you and the state you are in. If I didn't have my moms insurance, I would either be totally screwed, have to move to Canada/another country with socialized medicine ,spend a VERY large - almost all of my paycheck on the premium of cobra or my mates domestic partner insurance, or live in a very small effeciency apartment in the ghetto and literally have no to little income and own really nothing of any value to get on Medicaid.


yeah we have an great system here in the states. While the movie Sicko can be taken out of context and be used against it's creator for the sake of partisan politics, the film is indeed very factual (where facts are used instead of stated opinions). Just like everything else, it's all about the $$$$$. Follow the big rivers of cash, and it all comes back to the slimey people in suits in Washington, D.C. Watch the movie, and you will see just where everything goes to crap. As soon as Nixon heard a proposal from a lobbyist proposing the potential profitability of the HMO/managed health care for profit system. That was the beginning of the end regarding health care. Of course, just like my other thread, i'm just a crazy guy that wears tin foil hats. It makes people comfortable if they say/believe that.
 

Faust

New member
Overall, the people and politicians against proposed socialized medicine in America are either #1: People with an interest in keeping our health care for profit or #2: People who believe all the crap they hear in mainstream media saying it is a bad idea. If you look at government pork spending, special interests/lobbyists, and financial ear marks included in frivolous bills, not to mention the financial hemorrhage that is the Iraq war, if anyone can actually say with a straight face that it's impossible to make sure every legal citizen gets quality free health care, they are drones fed from the media teet, or just flat out uninformed.


I seriously have no idea how adult CF's do it. Medicare with it's donut hole is a joke. Medicaid is a joke (you basically can't earn/own anything nor can you live with anyone that makes anything either). If you are lucky enough to work for a period of time with a debilitating chronic illness, there is a good chance the insurance offered by your job really sucks for you and the state you are in. If I didn't have my moms insurance, I would either be totally screwed, have to move to Canada/another country with socialized medicine ,spend a VERY large - almost all of my paycheck on the premium of cobra or my mates domestic partner insurance, or live in a very small effeciency apartment in the ghetto and literally have no to little income and own really nothing of any value to get on Medicaid.


yeah we have an great system here in the states. While the movie Sicko can be taken out of context and be used against it's creator for the sake of partisan politics, the film is indeed very factual (where facts are used instead of stated opinions). Just like everything else, it's all about the $$$$$. Follow the big rivers of cash, and it all comes back to the slimey people in suits in Washington, D.C. Watch the movie, and you will see just where everything goes to crap. As soon as Nixon heard a proposal from a lobbyist proposing the potential profitability of the HMO/managed health care for profit system. That was the beginning of the end regarding health care. Of course, just like my other thread, i'm just a crazy guy that wears tin foil hats. It makes people comfortable if they say/believe that.
 

wuffles

New member
I live in Australia, where we have a form of socialised healthcare. However, we also have a private system. This means that we have public hospitals (those controlled by local governments) and private hospitals (those controlled by organisations or companies).

We have a number of systems with quite complex interactions so I will try give you a run-down of how it all works.

Medicare is a federal government-run system (in other words, comes from our taxes) which provides subsidies for medical treatment. An example of Medicare in action is when we see a local general practitioner, we will get charged, say, AU$55. We take our receipt to Medicare and they give us AU$25 back.

The Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) is also a federal government system which means that subsidies are provided for most medical prescriptions. Most CF meds are covered, like enzymes and albuterol, but some are not, like Nasonex and vitamins. A PBS prescriptions costs most people AU$30.

People who are receiving any form of welfare such as unemployment or disability benefits, receive a 'health care card'. A health care card entitles you to cheaper PBS prescriptions (around AU$6) and sometimes 'bulk billing' when it is offered (this essentially means you can get some doctor's appointments for free). A majority of adult CFers don't have a health care card as it's quite difficult to get benefits if you can still work.

Public hospitals will treat you for free but there are huge waiting lists for 'elective' procedures. I see my CF doctor at a public hospital and see him for free, HOWEVER, it takes months to get an appointment.

This is where the private system comes in. Private hospitals offer the same services as public hospitals, but with a large fee. We can choose to join a 'private health fund' for a monthly fee. Different packages cover different things, but generally this means you will get a rebate for private health services that you wouldn't have otherwise. You might pay $50 to see a physiotherapist and get $20 back. Or you might go to a private hospital and stay for a minimal fee. Mid-range private health funds are about $150/month for a couple.

Phew. To answer specific questions:
- CF care is pretty good.
- There are some 'CF centres' and CF doctors but also many pulmonary or thoracic doctors.
- If you needed a knee replacement surgery, I'd say public waiting lists would be at least one year. Privately you'd probably get in within a few weeks.
- In the public system, a doctor is generally assigned to you. Privately you can choose.

Any questions, feel free to PM me <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

EDIT: Thought I'd mention that our public system would NOT hold up on its own. Even though we are highly taxed there is not enough money for a public system to be the only solution.
 

wuffles

New member
I live in Australia, where we have a form of socialised healthcare. However, we also have a private system. This means that we have public hospitals (those controlled by local governments) and private hospitals (those controlled by organisations or companies).

We have a number of systems with quite complex interactions so I will try give you a run-down of how it all works.

Medicare is a federal government-run system (in other words, comes from our taxes) which provides subsidies for medical treatment. An example of Medicare in action is when we see a local general practitioner, we will get charged, say, AU$55. We take our receipt to Medicare and they give us AU$25 back.

The Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) is also a federal government system which means that subsidies are provided for most medical prescriptions. Most CF meds are covered, like enzymes and albuterol, but some are not, like Nasonex and vitamins. A PBS prescriptions costs most people AU$30.

People who are receiving any form of welfare such as unemployment or disability benefits, receive a 'health care card'. A health care card entitles you to cheaper PBS prescriptions (around AU$6) and sometimes 'bulk billing' when it is offered (this essentially means you can get some doctor's appointments for free). A majority of adult CFers don't have a health care card as it's quite difficult to get benefits if you can still work.

Public hospitals will treat you for free but there are huge waiting lists for 'elective' procedures. I see my CF doctor at a public hospital and see him for free, HOWEVER, it takes months to get an appointment.

This is where the private system comes in. Private hospitals offer the same services as public hospitals, but with a large fee. We can choose to join a 'private health fund' for a monthly fee. Different packages cover different things, but generally this means you will get a rebate for private health services that you wouldn't have otherwise. You might pay $50 to see a physiotherapist and get $20 back. Or you might go to a private hospital and stay for a minimal fee. Mid-range private health funds are about $150/month for a couple.

Phew. To answer specific questions:
- CF care is pretty good.
- There are some 'CF centres' and CF doctors but also many pulmonary or thoracic doctors.
- If you needed a knee replacement surgery, I'd say public waiting lists would be at least one year. Privately you'd probably get in within a few weeks.
- In the public system, a doctor is generally assigned to you. Privately you can choose.

Any questions, feel free to PM me <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

EDIT: Thought I'd mention that our public system would NOT hold up on its own. Even though we are highly taxed there is not enough money for a public system to be the only solution.
 

wuffles

New member
I live in Australia, where we have a form of socialised healthcare. However, we also have a private system. This means that we have public hospitals (those controlled by local governments) and private hospitals (those controlled by organisations or companies).

We have a number of systems with quite complex interactions so I will try give you a run-down of how it all works.

Medicare is a federal government-run system (in other words, comes from our taxes) which provides subsidies for medical treatment. An example of Medicare in action is when we see a local general practitioner, we will get charged, say, AU$55. We take our receipt to Medicare and they give us AU$25 back.

The Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) is also a federal government system which means that subsidies are provided for most medical prescriptions. Most CF meds are covered, like enzymes and albuterol, but some are not, like Nasonex and vitamins. A PBS prescriptions costs most people AU$30.

People who are receiving any form of welfare such as unemployment or disability benefits, receive a 'health care card'. A health care card entitles you to cheaper PBS prescriptions (around AU$6) and sometimes 'bulk billing' when it is offered (this essentially means you can get some doctor's appointments for free). A majority of adult CFers don't have a health care card as it's quite difficult to get benefits if you can still work.

Public hospitals will treat you for free but there are huge waiting lists for 'elective' procedures. I see my CF doctor at a public hospital and see him for free, HOWEVER, it takes months to get an appointment.

This is where the private system comes in. Private hospitals offer the same services as public hospitals, but with a large fee. We can choose to join a 'private health fund' for a monthly fee. Different packages cover different things, but generally this means you will get a rebate for private health services that you wouldn't have otherwise. You might pay $50 to see a physiotherapist and get $20 back. Or you might go to a private hospital and stay for a minimal fee. Mid-range private health funds are about $150/month for a couple.

Phew. To answer specific questions:
- CF care is pretty good.
- There are some 'CF centres' and CF doctors but also many pulmonary or thoracic doctors.
- If you needed a knee replacement surgery, I'd say public waiting lists would be at least one year. Privately you'd probably get in within a few weeks.
- In the public system, a doctor is generally assigned to you. Privately you can choose.

Any questions, feel free to PM me <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

EDIT: Thought I'd mention that our public system would NOT hold up on its own. Even though we are highly taxed there is not enough money for a public system to be the only solution.
 

wuffles

New member
I live in Australia, where we have a form of socialised healthcare. However, we also have a private system. This means that we have public hospitals (those controlled by local governments) and private hospitals (those controlled by organisations or companies).

We have a number of systems with quite complex interactions so I will try give you a run-down of how it all works.

Medicare is a federal government-run system (in other words, comes from our taxes) which provides subsidies for medical treatment. An example of Medicare in action is when we see a local general practitioner, we will get charged, say, AU$55. We take our receipt to Medicare and they give us AU$25 back.

The Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) is also a federal government system which means that subsidies are provided for most medical prescriptions. Most CF meds are covered, like enzymes and albuterol, but some are not, like Nasonex and vitamins. A PBS prescriptions costs most people AU$30.

People who are receiving any form of welfare such as unemployment or disability benefits, receive a 'health care card'. A health care card entitles you to cheaper PBS prescriptions (around AU$6) and sometimes 'bulk billing' when it is offered (this essentially means you can get some doctor's appointments for free). A majority of adult CFers don't have a health care card as it's quite difficult to get benefits if you can still work.

Public hospitals will treat you for free but there are huge waiting lists for 'elective' procedures. I see my CF doctor at a public hospital and see him for free, HOWEVER, it takes months to get an appointment.

This is where the private system comes in. Private hospitals offer the same services as public hospitals, but with a large fee. We can choose to join a 'private health fund' for a monthly fee. Different packages cover different things, but generally this means you will get a rebate for private health services that you wouldn't have otherwise. You might pay $50 to see a physiotherapist and get $20 back. Or you might go to a private hospital and stay for a minimal fee. Mid-range private health funds are about $150/month for a couple.

Phew. To answer specific questions:
- CF care is pretty good.
- There are some 'CF centres' and CF doctors but also many pulmonary or thoracic doctors.
- If you needed a knee replacement surgery, I'd say public waiting lists would be at least one year. Privately you'd probably get in within a few weeks.
- In the public system, a doctor is generally assigned to you. Privately you can choose.

Any questions, feel free to PM me <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

EDIT: Thought I'd mention that our public system would NOT hold up on its own. Even though we are highly taxed there is not enough money for a public system to be the only solution.
 

wuffles

New member
I live in Australia, where we have a form of socialised healthcare. However, we also have a private system. This means that we have public hospitals (those controlled by local governments) and private hospitals (those controlled by organisations or companies).

We have a number of systems with quite complex interactions so I will try give you a run-down of how it all works.

Medicare is a federal government-run system (in other words, comes from our taxes) which provides subsidies for medical treatment. An example of Medicare in action is when we see a local general practitioner, we will get charged, say, AU$55. We take our receipt to Medicare and they give us AU$25 back.

The Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) is also a federal government system which means that subsidies are provided for most medical prescriptions. Most CF meds are covered, like enzymes and albuterol, but some are not, like Nasonex and vitamins. A PBS prescriptions costs most people AU$30.

People who are receiving any form of welfare such as unemployment or disability benefits, receive a 'health care card'. A health care card entitles you to cheaper PBS prescriptions (around AU$6) and sometimes 'bulk billing' when it is offered (this essentially means you can get some doctor's appointments for free). A majority of adult CFers don't have a health care card as it's quite difficult to get benefits if you can still work.

Public hospitals will treat you for free but there are huge waiting lists for 'elective' procedures. I see my CF doctor at a public hospital and see him for free, HOWEVER, it takes months to get an appointment.

This is where the private system comes in. Private hospitals offer the same services as public hospitals, but with a large fee. We can choose to join a 'private health fund' for a monthly fee. Different packages cover different things, but generally this means you will get a rebate for private health services that you wouldn't have otherwise. You might pay $50 to see a physiotherapist and get $20 back. Or you might go to a private hospital and stay for a minimal fee. Mid-range private health funds are about $150/month for a couple.

Phew. To answer specific questions:
- CF care is pretty good.
- There are some 'CF centres' and CF doctors but also many pulmonary or thoracic doctors.
- If you needed a knee replacement surgery, I'd say public waiting lists would be at least one year. Privately you'd probably get in within a few weeks.
- In the public system, a doctor is generally assigned to you. Privately you can choose.

Any questions, feel free to PM me <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

EDIT: Thought I'd mention that our public system would NOT hold up on its own. Even though we are highly taxed there is not enough money for a public system to be the only solution.
 
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