total healing from CF

Mockingbird · Oct 8, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: anonymous

Mockingbird, you appear to be saying that if you pray (no matter how faithful you are) your prayer will only be answered if it is god's will. So what is the point of praying? Surely if it is god's will and that god is omnipotent, his will will be done whether you pray or not?

You say:

On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world. 

So again I say in response, why pray then? And if you're worried that it may be considered selfish then pray for something truely unselfish - the end of famine, pestilence or any number of diseases.

You say also

Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles

But didn't you just suggest that miracles (such as answered prayers) will only occur if it is god's will, which of course happens whever we want it or not?

You even suggest that by spreading blight and misery throughout the world he gains more worshipers. Back in my schooldays we had a fellow pupil who spread blight and misery throughout the playground in an attempt to gain followers. We just called him a bully. I didn't worship him either.

In reference to the book claiming to tell a story of soemone being completely healed from cf - I would love to see that book, read the story and study the evidence. Until then I still remain a man of no faith in your god.

Richard</end quote></div>

The reason for praying is simple. Prayer is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God. It is for my benefit that God waits for me to ask for something before He does it because it deepens my relationship with Him. Worship is the same. Unlike your childhood bully, God recieves nothing from worship.

Also, God is not the one who causes our plight. God created the world to be good, but it was corrupted by man. Yes, God does let us go through a lot of pain, but once again the pain is for our benefit, not His. God could remove all peril from the world, but that would only mean a short life of happiness followed by an eternity of suffering. God would rather us have a short life of suffering and an eternity of happiness.

Mockingbird · Oct 8, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: anonymous

Mockingbird, you appear to be saying that if you pray (no matter how faithful you are) your prayer will only be answered if it is god's will. So what is the point of praying? Surely if it is god's will and that god is omnipotent, his will will be done whether you pray or not?

You say:

On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world. 

So again I say in response, why pray then? And if you're worried that it may be considered selfish then pray for something truely unselfish - the end of famine, pestilence or any number of diseases.

You say also

Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles

But didn't you just suggest that miracles (such as answered prayers) will only occur if it is god's will, which of course happens whever we want it or not?

You even suggest that by spreading blight and misery throughout the world he gains more worshipers. Back in my schooldays we had a fellow pupil who spread blight and misery throughout the playground in an attempt to gain followers. We just called him a bully. I didn't worship him either.

In reference to the book claiming to tell a story of soemone being completely healed from cf - I would love to see that book, read the story and study the evidence. Until then I still remain a man of no faith in your god.

Richard</end quote></div>

The reason for praying is simple. Prayer is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God. It is for my benefit that God waits for me to ask for something before He does it because it deepens my relationship with Him. Worship is the same. Unlike your childhood bully, God recieves nothing from worship.

Also, God is not the one who causes our plight. God created the world to be good, but it was corrupted by man. Yes, God does let us go through a lot of pain, but once again the pain is for our benefit, not His. God could remove all peril from the world, but that would only mean a short life of happiness followed by an eternity of suffering. God would rather us have a short life of suffering and an eternity of happiness.

Mockingbird · Oct 8, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: anonymous

Mockingbird, you appear to be saying that if you pray (no matter how faithful you are) your prayer will only be answered if it is god's will. So what is the point of praying? Surely if it is god's will and that god is omnipotent, his will will be done whether you pray or not?

You say:

On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world. 

So again I say in response, why pray then? And if you're worried that it may be considered selfish then pray for something truely unselfish - the end of famine, pestilence or any number of diseases.

You say also

Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles

But didn't you just suggest that miracles (such as answered prayers) will only occur if it is god's will, which of course happens whever we want it or not?

You even suggest that by spreading blight and misery throughout the world he gains more worshipers. Back in my schooldays we had a fellow pupil who spread blight and misery throughout the playground in an attempt to gain followers. We just called him a bully. I didn't worship him either.

In reference to the book claiming to tell a story of soemone being completely healed from cf - I would love to see that book, read the story and study the evidence. Until then I still remain a man of no faith in your god.

Richard</end quote></div>

The reason for praying is simple. Prayer is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God. It is for my benefit that God waits for me to ask for something before He does it because it deepens my relationship with Him. Worship is the same. Unlike your childhood bully, God recieves nothing from worship.

Also, God is not the one who causes our plight. God created the world to be good, but it was corrupted by man. Yes, God does let us go through a lot of pain, but once again the pain is for our benefit, not His. God could remove all peril from the world, but that would only mean a short life of happiness followed by an eternity of suffering. God would rather us have a short life of suffering and an eternity of happiness.

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src=""> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src=""> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Debra · Oct 9, 2006

Wow -- it is so nice and inspiring to read everyones positive outlooks on life.

I am Catholic and I so agree with what David has said.

Here's more examples of potential miracles -- when my daughter was born I was told that she would probably not make it through the week. I brought a priest in and had her baptised and she was home in a few days!!! When she was around 7, I was told that she needed sinus surgery after her CF dr looked at the MRI. A friends mom (who is Born Again) began praying all over her and holding her head, etc. A few weeks later we went to an ENT and he said NO surgery!!! Maybe not the cure -- but certainly great news that a 7 yr old didnt need surgery again.

The fact that my two daughters can go to school and dance and cheerlead like other kids is a miracle everyday to me & one that I do not take for granted!!!

Deb <img src=""> Mom of 3 (2 w/cf)

Faithless · Oct 12, 2006

Sorry for the delay in
writing, but I needed to register and the work pc wouldn't play
ball. 
 
Mockingbird, you said that the reason for praying is simple. Prayer
is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God.
Others concur, saying that prayer is not a shopping
list.



This seems to be in
direct contradiction of the very scriptures I quoted earlier. To
paraphrase:



Mathew 7:7 - Ask and
it shall be given....



Mathew 21:21 - .....you
will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.



John 14:12 - 14 .... if
you ask anything in my name, I will do it.



The scriptures are
incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive
whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give
it. I am not sure how this can be read differently,
especially when in context of the surrounding text.



In a different thread
you stated "You don't understand. I cast away my own thoughts and
ideas long ago when I realized they were useless. (Ecclesiastes
1:12-15) I, myself, am neither wise nor knowledgeable, so anything
I say apart from scripture is completely meaningless."



Having cast away your
thoughts and ideas, what is said in the scriptures must remain at
face value. It says "Ask and it shall be given....." not ask and it
shall be given so long as fits in my master plan. If you ask
anything in my name, I will do it. Anything. Whatever you ask for.
These are definites, not some woolly provisos.



You say prayer is not
about asking for stuff - I say that according to the bible it is!
By your own words anything you say apart from scripture is
meaningless and therefore invalid. 
 

Faithless 
Previously known as Richard, father to Emily wcf.

Faithless · Oct 12, 2006

Sorry for the delay in
writing, but I needed to register and the work pc wouldn't play
ball. 
 
Mockingbird, you said that the reason for praying is simple. Prayer
is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God.
Others concur, saying that prayer is not a shopping
list.



This seems to be in
direct contradiction of the very scriptures I quoted earlier. To
paraphrase:



Mathew 7:7 - Ask and
it shall be given....



Mathew 21:21 - .....you
will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.



John 14:12 - 14 .... if
you ask anything in my name, I will do it.



The scriptures are
incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive
whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give
it. I am not sure how this can be read differently,
especially when in context of the surrounding text.



In a different thread
you stated "You don't understand. I cast away my own thoughts and
ideas long ago when I realized they were useless. (Ecclesiastes
1:12-15) I, myself, am neither wise nor knowledgeable, so anything
I say apart from scripture is completely meaningless."



Having cast away your
thoughts and ideas, what is said in the scriptures must remain at
face value. It says "Ask and it shall be given....." not ask and it
shall be given so long as fits in my master plan. If you ask
anything in my name, I will do it. Anything. Whatever you ask for.
These are definites, not some woolly provisos.



You say prayer is not
about asking for stuff - I say that according to the bible it is!
By your own words anything you say apart from scripture is
meaningless and therefore invalid. 
 

Faithless 
Previously known as Richard, father to Emily wcf.

Faithless · Oct 12, 2006

Sorry for the delay in
writing, but I needed to register and the work pc wouldn't play
ball. 
 
Mockingbird, you said that the reason for praying is simple. Prayer
is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God.
Others concur, saying that prayer is not a shopping
list.



This seems to be in
direct contradiction of the very scriptures I quoted earlier. To
paraphrase:



Mathew 7:7 - Ask and
it shall be given....



Mathew 21:21 - .....you
will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.



John 14:12 - 14 .... if
you ask anything in my name, I will do it.



The scriptures are
incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive
whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give
it. I am not sure how this can be read differently,
especially when in context of the surrounding text.



In a different thread
you stated "You don't understand. I cast away my own thoughts and
ideas long ago when I realized they were useless. (Ecclesiastes
1:12-15) I, myself, am neither wise nor knowledgeable, so anything
I say apart from scripture is completely meaningless."



Having cast away your
thoughts and ideas, what is said in the scriptures must remain at
face value. It says "Ask and it shall be given....." not ask and it
shall be given so long as fits in my master plan. If you ask
anything in my name, I will do it. Anything. Whatever you ask for.
These are definites, not some woolly provisos.



You say prayer is not
about asking for stuff - I say that according to the bible it is!
By your own words anything you say apart from scripture is
meaningless and therefore invalid. 
 

Faithless 
Previously known as Richard, father to Emily wcf.

Scarlett81 · Oct 13, 2006

I believe yes and no-part of prayer is asking God for what we want, our daily concerns, our hopes. But it's not all about that. (to me personally)
If you look at the Lord's Model prayer, some call it the "Our Father" prayer, (Matthew 6:9-13) but its Jesus telling his followers the appropriate way to pray.
Included in the prayer was a thanks to God for what he gave them, a request for bread (needs/wants), asking for help to avoid sin, and asking for forgiveness for sins. So while I don't recite the Lord's Prayer in my personal prayers, I do think that its good to cover all those bases and talk about whatever's on my mind as well-but I don't feel prayer is solely about asking for things.

Scarlett81 · Oct 13, 2006

I believe yes and no-part of prayer is asking God for what we want, our daily concerns, our hopes. But it's not all about that. (to me personally)
If you look at the Lord's Model prayer, some call it the "Our Father" prayer, (Matthew 6:9-13) but its Jesus telling his followers the appropriate way to pray.
Included in the prayer was a thanks to God for what he gave them, a request for bread (needs/wants), asking for help to avoid sin, and asking for forgiveness for sins. So while I don't recite the Lord's Prayer in my personal prayers, I do think that its good to cover all those bases and talk about whatever's on my mind as well-but I don't feel prayer is solely about asking for things.

Scarlett81 · Oct 13, 2006

I believe yes and no-part of prayer is asking God for what we want, our daily concerns, our hopes. But it's not all about that. (to me personally)
If you look at the Lord's Model prayer, some call it the "Our Father" prayer, (Matthew 6:9-13) but its Jesus telling his followers the appropriate way to pray.
Included in the prayer was a thanks to God for what he gave them, a request for bread (needs/wants), asking for help to avoid sin, and asking for forgiveness for sins. So while I don't recite the Lord's Prayer in my personal prayers, I do think that its good to cover all those bases and talk about whatever's on my mind as well-but I don't feel prayer is solely about asking for things.

JazzysMom · Oct 13, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Faithless

Sorry for the delay in
writing, but I needed to register and the work pc wouldn't play
ball.

Mockingbird, you said that the reason for praying is simple. Prayer
is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God.
Others concur, saying that prayer is not a shopping
list.



This seems to be in
direct contradiction of the very scriptures I quoted earlier. To
paraphrase:



Mathew 7:7 - Ask and
it shall be given....



Mathew 21:21 - .....you
will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.



John 14:12 - 14 .... if
you ask anything in my name, I will do it.



The scriptures are
incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive
whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give
it. I am not sure how this can be read differently,
especially when in context of the surrounding text.



In a different thread
you stated "You don't understand. I cast away my own thoughts and
ideas long ago when I realized they were useless. (Ecclesiastes
1:12-15) I, myself, am neither wise nor knowledgeable, so anything
I say apart from scripture is completely meaningless."



Having cast away your
thoughts and ideas, what is said in the scriptures must remain at
face value. It says "Ask and it shall be given....." not ask and it
shall be given so long as fits in my master plan. If you ask
anything in my name, I will do it. Anything. Whatever you ask for.
These are definites, not some woolly provisos.



You say prayer is not
about asking for stuff - I say that according to the bible it is!
By your own words anything you say apart from scripture is
meaningless and therefore invalid.

IMHO (that of a spiritual, but not religious person) that its in the wording. Just like when I wished upon a star as a child. If you make a "general" wish such as I wish I didnt have to suffer or I didnt have breathing problems with CF. That is a lot different then saying I wish I never had CF etc. I believe that what we want (depending on our thoughts/wishes) & what we get (depending on whats interpretted as our thoughts/wishes) can be different. My understanding of how "God" works is that he always answers us. Just not in the way we were expecting, hoping or wishing. **Refer to the general wish part of this paragraph**

JazzysMom · Oct 13, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Faithless

Sorry for the delay in
writing, but I needed to register and the work pc wouldn't play
ball.

Mockingbird, you said that the reason for praying is simple. Prayer
is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God.
Others concur, saying that prayer is not a shopping
list.



This seems to be in
direct contradiction of the very scriptures I quoted earlier. To
paraphrase:



Mathew 7:7 - Ask and
it shall be given....



Mathew 21:21 - .....you
will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.



John 14:12 - 14 .... if
you ask anything in my name, I will do it.



The scriptures are
incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive
whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give
it. I am not sure how this can be read differently,
especially when in context of the surrounding text.



In a different thread
you stated "You don't understand. I cast away my own thoughts and
ideas long ago when I realized they were useless. (Ecclesiastes
1:12-15) I, myself, am neither wise nor knowledgeable, so anything
I say apart from scripture is completely meaningless."



Having cast away your
thoughts and ideas, what is said in the scriptures must remain at
face value. It says "Ask and it shall be given....." not ask and it
shall be given so long as fits in my master plan. If you ask
anything in my name, I will do it. Anything. Whatever you ask for.
These are definites, not some woolly provisos.



You say prayer is not
about asking for stuff - I say that according to the bible it is!
By your own words anything you say apart from scripture is
meaningless and therefore invalid.

IMHO (that of a spiritual, but not religious person) that its in the wording. Just like when I wished upon a star as a child. If you make a "general" wish such as I wish I didnt have to suffer or I didnt have breathing problems with CF. That is a lot different then saying I wish I never had CF etc. I believe that what we want (depending on our thoughts/wishes) & what we get (depending on whats interpretted as our thoughts/wishes) can be different. My understanding of how "God" works is that he always answers us. Just not in the way we were expecting, hoping or wishing. **Refer to the general wish part of this paragraph**

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