the wisdom of the body

wanderlost

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This is sort of a spin -off of the church/illness thread as in spirituality and disease, but that thread came at an appropriate time for me after having a conversation with a friend the other day.

Brief (I'll try anyway) synopsis: my friend is very into natural remedies - almost to the point of derision toward modern medicine. Her daughter had a health issue that she tried to deal with naturally for about 2 years when she finally took her to an MD (my stepmom, btw). After recieving meds for her daughter my friend started doubting the medical advice she was given - and she and I sort of had an argument: my theory: what you did for the last two years clearly hasn't worked, why not give this a try and see? Her theory: the body knows how to heal itself and I don't like these medicines in my child....so we get onto a conversation regarding the wisdom of the body, modern medical practices etc.

Now her main source of "medical" advice comes from a BEST trained chiropractor, which I just can't understand that at all (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.morter.com/),">http://www.morter.com/),</a> but whatever. So she told me that she asked her chiro-guru if he thought CF could be cured and he said yes. I asked her what she meant by cured and she told me she thought that the body knows how to be perfect, we just have to tune into that.

I felt like my head might explode at this point. I am one of the more "natural" Cf people I know - I do few meds, always have and have always believed in my body more than the CF diagnosis gives credit for. I eat well, whole foods, organics (always have). and I do believe that positive thinking is super importnat as is listening to the body and allowing the body a chance to heal itself before internvention, but I also realize that the small miracle of drugs like penicillians has contributed greatly to survival rates of the human species. At age 30 I also realize I'd be a fool to not deal appropriately with a progressive disease - while to me that doesn't mean checking into the hosital for a six week dose of gentimyacin, it also doesn't mean sitting on my yoga mat hoping enough om shanti oms will wash my CF away.

Anyway, I explained to her that Cf was GENETIC and I wondered how tapping into that wisdom might help change your genes and she just kept reiterating that she thought it was possible....it made me angry, as if she was insinuating that I could NOT have Cf if I wanted it badly enough (sort of like what started that religion illnes thread)

anyway, I don't know of this post is a rant or what, but how do you deal with convoluted thinking like this? Do you think there is any merit to her theory (as in, are we ALL just going about this disease the completely wrong way? - doubtful, no?) It made me change my opinion of this very old, dear friend as one who is sadly uneducated on how the body works - we aren't talking about the common cold here - and I wonder: do any of you believe this sort of thing, or along these lines of being able to "make" the body perfect with natural remedies and positive thinking and why?
 

wanderlost

New member
This is sort of a spin -off of the church/illness thread as in spirituality and disease, but that thread came at an appropriate time for me after having a conversation with a friend the other day.

Brief (I'll try anyway) synopsis: my friend is very into natural remedies - almost to the point of derision toward modern medicine. Her daughter had a health issue that she tried to deal with naturally for about 2 years when she finally took her to an MD (my stepmom, btw). After recieving meds for her daughter my friend started doubting the medical advice she was given - and she and I sort of had an argument: my theory: what you did for the last two years clearly hasn't worked, why not give this a try and see? Her theory: the body knows how to heal itself and I don't like these medicines in my child....so we get onto a conversation regarding the wisdom of the body, modern medical practices etc.

Now her main source of "medical" advice comes from a BEST trained chiropractor, which I just can't understand that at all (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.morter.com/),">http://www.morter.com/),</a> but whatever. So she told me that she asked her chiro-guru if he thought CF could be cured and he said yes. I asked her what she meant by cured and she told me she thought that the body knows how to be perfect, we just have to tune into that.

I felt like my head might explode at this point. I am one of the more "natural" Cf people I know - I do few meds, always have and have always believed in my body more than the CF diagnosis gives credit for. I eat well, whole foods, organics (always have). and I do believe that positive thinking is super importnat as is listening to the body and allowing the body a chance to heal itself before internvention, but I also realize that the small miracle of drugs like penicillians has contributed greatly to survival rates of the human species. At age 30 I also realize I'd be a fool to not deal appropriately with a progressive disease - while to me that doesn't mean checking into the hosital for a six week dose of gentimyacin, it also doesn't mean sitting on my yoga mat hoping enough om shanti oms will wash my CF away.

Anyway, I explained to her that Cf was GENETIC and I wondered how tapping into that wisdom might help change your genes and she just kept reiterating that she thought it was possible....it made me angry, as if she was insinuating that I could NOT have Cf if I wanted it badly enough (sort of like what started that religion illnes thread)

anyway, I don't know of this post is a rant or what, but how do you deal with convoluted thinking like this? Do you think there is any merit to her theory (as in, are we ALL just going about this disease the completely wrong way? - doubtful, no?) It made me change my opinion of this very old, dear friend as one who is sadly uneducated on how the body works - we aren't talking about the common cold here - and I wonder: do any of you believe this sort of thing, or along these lines of being able to "make" the body perfect with natural remedies and positive thinking and why?
 

wanderlost

New member
This is sort of a spin -off of the church/illness thread as in spirituality and disease, but that thread came at an appropriate time for me after having a conversation with a friend the other day.

Brief (I'll try anyway) synopsis: my friend is very into natural remedies - almost to the point of derision toward modern medicine. Her daughter had a health issue that she tried to deal with naturally for about 2 years when she finally took her to an MD (my stepmom, btw). After recieving meds for her daughter my friend started doubting the medical advice she was given - and she and I sort of had an argument: my theory: what you did for the last two years clearly hasn't worked, why not give this a try and see? Her theory: the body knows how to heal itself and I don't like these medicines in my child....so we get onto a conversation regarding the wisdom of the body, modern medical practices etc.

Now her main source of "medical" advice comes from a BEST trained chiropractor, which I just can't understand that at all (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.morter.com/),">http://www.morter.com/),</a> but whatever. So she told me that she asked her chiro-guru if he thought CF could be cured and he said yes. I asked her what she meant by cured and she told me she thought that the body knows how to be perfect, we just have to tune into that.

I felt like my head might explode at this point. I am one of the more "natural" Cf people I know - I do few meds, always have and have always believed in my body more than the CF diagnosis gives credit for. I eat well, whole foods, organics (always have). and I do believe that positive thinking is super importnat as is listening to the body and allowing the body a chance to heal itself before internvention, but I also realize that the small miracle of drugs like penicillians has contributed greatly to survival rates of the human species. At age 30 I also realize I'd be a fool to not deal appropriately with a progressive disease - while to me that doesn't mean checking into the hosital for a six week dose of gentimyacin, it also doesn't mean sitting on my yoga mat hoping enough om shanti oms will wash my CF away.

Anyway, I explained to her that Cf was GENETIC and I wondered how tapping into that wisdom might help change your genes and she just kept reiterating that she thought it was possible....it made me angry, as if she was insinuating that I could NOT have Cf if I wanted it badly enough (sort of like what started that religion illnes thread)

anyway, I don't know of this post is a rant or what, but how do you deal with convoluted thinking like this? Do you think there is any merit to her theory (as in, are we ALL just going about this disease the completely wrong way? - doubtful, no?) It made me change my opinion of this very old, dear friend as one who is sadly uneducated on how the body works - we aren't talking about the common cold here - and I wonder: do any of you believe this sort of thing, or along these lines of being able to "make" the body perfect with natural remedies and positive thinking and why?
 

wanderlost

New member
This is sort of a spin -off of the church/illness thread as in spirituality and disease, but that thread came at an appropriate time for me after having a conversation with a friend the other day.

Brief (I'll try anyway) synopsis: my friend is very into natural remedies - almost to the point of derision toward modern medicine. Her daughter had a health issue that she tried to deal with naturally for about 2 years when she finally took her to an MD (my stepmom, btw). After recieving meds for her daughter my friend started doubting the medical advice she was given - and she and I sort of had an argument: my theory: what you did for the last two years clearly hasn't worked, why not give this a try and see? Her theory: the body knows how to heal itself and I don't like these medicines in my child....so we get onto a conversation regarding the wisdom of the body, modern medical practices etc.

Now her main source of "medical" advice comes from a BEST trained chiropractor, which I just can't understand that at all (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.morter.com/),">http://www.morter.com/),</a> but whatever. So she told me that she asked her chiro-guru if he thought CF could be cured and he said yes. I asked her what she meant by cured and she told me she thought that the body knows how to be perfect, we just have to tune into that.

I felt like my head might explode at this point. I am one of the more "natural" Cf people I know - I do few meds, always have and have always believed in my body more than the CF diagnosis gives credit for. I eat well, whole foods, organics (always have). and I do believe that positive thinking is super importnat as is listening to the body and allowing the body a chance to heal itself before internvention, but I also realize that the small miracle of drugs like penicillians has contributed greatly to survival rates of the human species. At age 30 I also realize I'd be a fool to not deal appropriately with a progressive disease - while to me that doesn't mean checking into the hosital for a six week dose of gentimyacin, it also doesn't mean sitting on my yoga mat hoping enough om shanti oms will wash my CF away.

Anyway, I explained to her that Cf was GENETIC and I wondered how tapping into that wisdom might help change your genes and she just kept reiterating that she thought it was possible....it made me angry, as if she was insinuating that I could NOT have Cf if I wanted it badly enough (sort of like what started that religion illnes thread)

anyway, I don't know of this post is a rant or what, but how do you deal with convoluted thinking like this? Do you think there is any merit to her theory (as in, are we ALL just going about this disease the completely wrong way? - doubtful, no?) It made me change my opinion of this very old, dear friend as one who is sadly uneducated on how the body works - we aren't talking about the common cold here - and I wonder: do any of you believe this sort of thing, or along these lines of being able to "make" the body perfect with natural remedies and positive thinking and why?
 

wanderlost

New member
This is sort of a spin -off of the church/illness thread as in spirituality and disease, but that thread came at an appropriate time for me after having a conversation with a friend the other day.

Brief (I'll try anyway) synopsis: my friend is very into natural remedies - almost to the point of derision toward modern medicine. Her daughter had a health issue that she tried to deal with naturally for about 2 years when she finally took her to an MD (my stepmom, btw). After recieving meds for her daughter my friend started doubting the medical advice she was given - and she and I sort of had an argument: my theory: what you did for the last two years clearly hasn't worked, why not give this a try and see? Her theory: the body knows how to heal itself and I don't like these medicines in my child....so we get onto a conversation regarding the wisdom of the body, modern medical practices etc.

Now her main source of "medical" advice comes from a BEST trained chiropractor, which I just can't understand that at all (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.morter.com/),">http://www.morter.com/),</a> but whatever. So she told me that she asked her chiro-guru if he thought CF could be cured and he said yes. I asked her what she meant by cured and she told me she thought that the body knows how to be perfect, we just have to tune into that.

I felt like my head might explode at this point. I am one of the more "natural" Cf people I know - I do few meds, always have and have always believed in my body more than the CF diagnosis gives credit for. I eat well, whole foods, organics (always have). and I do believe that positive thinking is super importnat as is listening to the body and allowing the body a chance to heal itself before internvention, but I also realize that the small miracle of drugs like penicillians has contributed greatly to survival rates of the human species. At age 30 I also realize I'd be a fool to not deal appropriately with a progressive disease - while to me that doesn't mean checking into the hosital for a six week dose of gentimyacin, it also doesn't mean sitting on my yoga mat hoping enough om shanti oms will wash my CF away.

Anyway, I explained to her that Cf was GENETIC and I wondered how tapping into that wisdom might help change your genes and she just kept reiterating that she thought it was possible....it made me angry, as if she was insinuating that I could NOT have Cf if I wanted it badly enough (sort of like what started that religion illnes thread)

anyway, I don't know of this post is a rant or what, but how do you deal with convoluted thinking like this? Do you think there is any merit to her theory (as in, are we ALL just going about this disease the completely wrong way? - doubtful, no?) It made me change my opinion of this very old, dear friend as one who is sadly uneducated on how the body works - we aren't talking about the common cold here - and I wonder: do any of you believe this sort of thing, or along these lines of being able to "make" the body perfect with natural remedies and positive thinking and why?
 

Wheezie

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Wow - it is such a weird feeling to know someone else has had the same experience. My boyfriend (now ex) and I went back and forth about this very thing. He felt as though I <i>wanted</i> to be sick and that if I wanted to be healthy bad enough, I could be. I too really believe in the power of the mind. A positive state of mind is essential to maintaining physical health, there is no denying that (in my opinion). But just as you said, you can't think your genes away. It hurts beyond anything I can describe when someone you love essentially accuses you of choosing this disease.

How do I deal with it? I remind myself that people deal with trauma in many different ways. When we as humans are helpless to a situation, it is only natural that we seek out ways to cope. Some people rely on religion and God. Some people rely on some other form of spirituality. And some people place blame, deflect, and deny. I don't believe anyone intends to be a jacka$$ about things like this. Most people just don't know how to deal with something as serious as CF - we all do what we can to survive in this world, mentally, emotionally, and physically. When I think about it this way, I no longer feel angry; I actually feel sorry for them.
 

Wheezie

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Wow - it is such a weird feeling to know someone else has had the same experience. My boyfriend (now ex) and I went back and forth about this very thing. He felt as though I <i>wanted</i> to be sick and that if I wanted to be healthy bad enough, I could be. I too really believe in the power of the mind. A positive state of mind is essential to maintaining physical health, there is no denying that (in my opinion). But just as you said, you can't think your genes away. It hurts beyond anything I can describe when someone you love essentially accuses you of choosing this disease.

How do I deal with it? I remind myself that people deal with trauma in many different ways. When we as humans are helpless to a situation, it is only natural that we seek out ways to cope. Some people rely on religion and God. Some people rely on some other form of spirituality. And some people place blame, deflect, and deny. I don't believe anyone intends to be a jacka$$ about things like this. Most people just don't know how to deal with something as serious as CF - we all do what we can to survive in this world, mentally, emotionally, and physically. When I think about it this way, I no longer feel angry; I actually feel sorry for them.
 

Wheezie

New member
Wow - it is such a weird feeling to know someone else has had the same experience. My boyfriend (now ex) and I went back and forth about this very thing. He felt as though I <i>wanted</i> to be sick and that if I wanted to be healthy bad enough, I could be. I too really believe in the power of the mind. A positive state of mind is essential to maintaining physical health, there is no denying that (in my opinion). But just as you said, you can't think your genes away. It hurts beyond anything I can describe when someone you love essentially accuses you of choosing this disease.

How do I deal with it? I remind myself that people deal with trauma in many different ways. When we as humans are helpless to a situation, it is only natural that we seek out ways to cope. Some people rely on religion and God. Some people rely on some other form of spirituality. And some people place blame, deflect, and deny. I don't believe anyone intends to be a jacka$$ about things like this. Most people just don't know how to deal with something as serious as CF - we all do what we can to survive in this world, mentally, emotionally, and physically. When I think about it this way, I no longer feel angry; I actually feel sorry for them.
 

Wheezie

New member
Wow - it is such a weird feeling to know someone else has had the same experience. My boyfriend (now ex) and I went back and forth about this very thing. He felt as though I <i>wanted</i> to be sick and that if I wanted to be healthy bad enough, I could be. I too really believe in the power of the mind. A positive state of mind is essential to maintaining physical health, there is no denying that (in my opinion). But just as you said, you can't think your genes away. It hurts beyond anything I can describe when someone you love essentially accuses you of choosing this disease.

How do I deal with it? I remind myself that people deal with trauma in many different ways. When we as humans are helpless to a situation, it is only natural that we seek out ways to cope. Some people rely on religion and God. Some people rely on some other form of spirituality. And some people place blame, deflect, and deny. I don't believe anyone intends to be a jacka$$ about things like this. Most people just don't know how to deal with something as serious as CF - we all do what we can to survive in this world, mentally, emotionally, and physically. When I think about it this way, I no longer feel angry; I actually feel sorry for them.
 

Wheezie

New member
Wow - it is such a weird feeling to know someone else has had the same experience. My boyfriend (now ex) and I went back and forth about this very thing. He felt as though I <i>wanted</i> to be sick and that if I wanted to be healthy bad enough, I could be. I too really believe in the power of the mind. A positive state of mind is essential to maintaining physical health, there is no denying that (in my opinion). But just as you said, you can't think your genes away. It hurts beyond anything I can describe when someone you love essentially accuses you of choosing this disease.

How do I deal with it? I remind myself that people deal with trauma in many different ways. When we as humans are helpless to a situation, it is only natural that we seek out ways to cope. Some people rely on religion and God. Some people rely on some other form of spirituality. And some people place blame, deflect, and deny. I don't believe anyone intends to be a jacka$$ about things like this. Most people just don't know how to deal with something as serious as CF - we all do what we can to survive in this world, mentally, emotionally, and physically. When I think about it this way, I no longer feel angry; I actually feel sorry for them.
 

Momtana

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an acquaintance learned of my recent diagnosis and came to me with concern all over her face .... I explained matter of factly that it was a good thing to know and that I was finally getting appropriate treatment for a disease I have had my whole life. Her solution was for me to get Reiki - from her - and that it would enable me to get off of all those "nasty medications" prescribed for me by the doctors. It took many times of my saying "I appreciate your concern, but I have waited decades for this diagnosis and medical help and I am staying with the doctors."
 

Momtana

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an acquaintance learned of my recent diagnosis and came to me with concern all over her face .... I explained matter of factly that it was a good thing to know and that I was finally getting appropriate treatment for a disease I have had my whole life. Her solution was for me to get Reiki - from her - and that it would enable me to get off of all those "nasty medications" prescribed for me by the doctors. It took many times of my saying "I appreciate your concern, but I have waited decades for this diagnosis and medical help and I am staying with the doctors."
 

Momtana

New member
an acquaintance learned of my recent diagnosis and came to me with concern all over her face .... I explained matter of factly that it was a good thing to know and that I was finally getting appropriate treatment for a disease I have had my whole life. Her solution was for me to get Reiki - from her - and that it would enable me to get off of all those "nasty medications" prescribed for me by the doctors. It took many times of my saying "I appreciate your concern, but I have waited decades for this diagnosis and medical help and I am staying with the doctors."
 

Momtana

New member
an acquaintance learned of my recent diagnosis and came to me with concern all over her face .... I explained matter of factly that it was a good thing to know and that I was finally getting appropriate treatment for a disease I have had my whole life. Her solution was for me to get Reiki - from her - and that it would enable me to get off of all those "nasty medications" prescribed for me by the doctors. It took many times of my saying "I appreciate your concern, but I have waited decades for this diagnosis and medical help and I am staying with the doctors."
 

Momtana

New member
an acquaintance learned of my recent diagnosis and came to me with concern all over her face .... I explained matter of factly that it was a good thing to know and that I was finally getting appropriate treatment for a disease I have had my whole life. Her solution was for me to get Reiki - from her - and that it would enable me to get off of all those "nasty medications" prescribed for me by the doctors. It took many times of my saying "I appreciate your concern, but I have waited decades for this diagnosis and medical help and I am staying with the doctors."
 

JustDucky

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Wow...that is crazy. I do believe that you can have a happy medium with Western medicine as well as homeopathic wisdom. Yes, give me the antibioitics that beat back the nasties along with herbs and theraputic touch that might help my spasticity in my muscles. I am open to both types of treatments. But, I would be infuriated if someone came up to me and said "yeah, I can rid your body of CF if you can tap into it". Good grief....how do you rearrange my DNA???? Accomplish that one and you'll have droves of people at your doorstep!!!
I understand that people have different takes on medicine, just like religion there are many aspects to treatment. But, to not take a kid to the doctor and try to self treat them is ridiculous. At least get an opinion of the doctor for heaven's sake.
I think I would have responded to your friend as you did Laura. I too am an adult diagnosis and that would have been the perfect comeback.
Hugs, Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

JustDucky

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Wow...that is crazy. I do believe that you can have a happy medium with Western medicine as well as homeopathic wisdom. Yes, give me the antibioitics that beat back the nasties along with herbs and theraputic touch that might help my spasticity in my muscles. I am open to both types of treatments. But, I would be infuriated if someone came up to me and said "yeah, I can rid your body of CF if you can tap into it". Good grief....how do you rearrange my DNA???? Accomplish that one and you'll have droves of people at your doorstep!!!
I understand that people have different takes on medicine, just like religion there are many aspects to treatment. But, to not take a kid to the doctor and try to self treat them is ridiculous. At least get an opinion of the doctor for heaven's sake.
I think I would have responded to your friend as you did Laura. I too am an adult diagnosis and that would have been the perfect comeback.
Hugs, Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

JustDucky

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Wow...that is crazy. I do believe that you can have a happy medium with Western medicine as well as homeopathic wisdom. Yes, give me the antibioitics that beat back the nasties along with herbs and theraputic touch that might help my spasticity in my muscles. I am open to both types of treatments. But, I would be infuriated if someone came up to me and said "yeah, I can rid your body of CF if you can tap into it". Good grief....how do you rearrange my DNA???? Accomplish that one and you'll have droves of people at your doorstep!!!
I understand that people have different takes on medicine, just like religion there are many aspects to treatment. But, to not take a kid to the doctor and try to self treat them is ridiculous. At least get an opinion of the doctor for heaven's sake.
I think I would have responded to your friend as you did Laura. I too am an adult diagnosis and that would have been the perfect comeback.
Hugs, Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

JustDucky

New member
Wow...that is crazy. I do believe that you can have a happy medium with Western medicine as well as homeopathic wisdom. Yes, give me the antibioitics that beat back the nasties along with herbs and theraputic touch that might help my spasticity in my muscles. I am open to both types of treatments. But, I would be infuriated if someone came up to me and said "yeah, I can rid your body of CF if you can tap into it". Good grief....how do you rearrange my DNA???? Accomplish that one and you'll have droves of people at your doorstep!!!
I understand that people have different takes on medicine, just like religion there are many aspects to treatment. But, to not take a kid to the doctor and try to self treat them is ridiculous. At least get an opinion of the doctor for heaven's sake.
I think I would have responded to your friend as you did Laura. I too am an adult diagnosis and that would have been the perfect comeback.
Hugs, Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

JustDucky

New member
Wow...that is crazy. I do believe that you can have a happy medium with Western medicine as well as homeopathic wisdom. Yes, give me the antibioitics that beat back the nasties along with herbs and theraputic touch that might help my spasticity in my muscles. I am open to both types of treatments. But, I would be infuriated if someone came up to me and said "yeah, I can rid your body of CF if you can tap into it". Good grief....how do you rearrange my DNA???? Accomplish that one and you'll have droves of people at your doorstep!!!
I understand that people have different takes on medicine, just like religion there are many aspects to treatment. But, to not take a kid to the doctor and try to self treat them is ridiculous. At least get an opinion of the doctor for heaven's sake.
I think I would have responded to your friend as you did Laura. I too am an adult diagnosis and that would have been the perfect comeback.
Hugs, Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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