the wisdom of the body

Foody

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Hmmm....curing the DNA with natural methods of healing? Perhaps she is mixing things up a bit or not stating what "cure" means in their mind? We are also very interested in "natural" methods of supporting the body to be well. These can include any number of things from herbs, homeopathy, supplements, acupuncture etc. However, they are not curing the underlying genetic make-up of my son...he in essence will continue to need this outside support, unless something comes along to change this. I see it as working within his given framework as I must work within my own body's limitation and strengths.

If this chiropractor would like to back up his hypothesis that CF is curable I'd like to see it! If you consider supporting the body in such a way that the expression of a genetic disease is severly limited and barely affects the body, than I think that is possible for some people. I also don't think it is fair to ignore the diversity of CF expression and progression by ever inferring that if X Y and Z are done, all will be fine and dandy - again unless something comes along that can be applied to all CF people.

So that leads me to a question: What if an herb or other natural substance allows the cells to operate as if the mutation did not exist? I believe this is what scientist are working on with DNA therapy. Also, there is some strong evidence that BITC (substance found in papaya seeds) can and does open the CFTR channel allowing it to function like a non-CF cell. Would any of you consider this a "cure" (this is a sticky word isn't it)? I think what might qualify as a cure for me is if my child's chances of lung progression no longer existed and enzymes were no longer needed (though if that is all he would have to do to be healthy that would be fine with me too! :).

As far as telling someone they want to be sick!!! OMG, how heartless. I think that is someone's feeble attempt at explaining away the emotional and possibly the spiritual aspects of disease. Bottom line for me... there are mysteries in this life... disease and death are 2 of the biggies. When the mind attempts to understand these mysteries, you simple get a lot of crazy ass ideas. Why do really nice and even amazing people get diseases or die unexpectedly? Don't know... Why did my son get the 2 CF genes and not my daughter? Don't know... All I do know is walking with the knowledge of how precious life really is helps me let go of having to know.

Fever-wise...we let them do their work within reason. If it lasts for more than a couple days with no other symptoms we usually get a check-up. I feel they are purposeful and are the body's way of reducing the number of bacteria or virus affecting the body so we forego the tylenol, especially in the beginning. Sometimes we give other immune boosting support at the onsaught of a fever (like echinacea, vitamin C, elderberry) to help the fever do its job. This seems to help them go through it easier. But again, if it is really high and they can't rest at all we might just do it at night on the 2nd or 3rd day to help with rest. Usually though the fever is the only thing that slows my kids down so they will rest! :)

PS I'd be angry too if a friend suggested that I could cure my son if only I wanted it badly enough!!
 

Foody

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Hmmm....curing the DNA with natural methods of healing? Perhaps she is mixing things up a bit or not stating what "cure" means in their mind? We are also very interested in "natural" methods of supporting the body to be well. These can include any number of things from herbs, homeopathy, supplements, acupuncture etc. However, they are not curing the underlying genetic make-up of my son...he in essence will continue to need this outside support, unless something comes along to change this. I see it as working within his given framework as I must work within my own body's limitation and strengths.

If this chiropractor would like to back up his hypothesis that CF is curable I'd like to see it! If you consider supporting the body in such a way that the expression of a genetic disease is severly limited and barely affects the body, than I think that is possible for some people. I also don't think it is fair to ignore the diversity of CF expression and progression by ever inferring that if X Y and Z are done, all will be fine and dandy - again unless something comes along that can be applied to all CF people.

So that leads me to a question: What if an herb or other natural substance allows the cells to operate as if the mutation did not exist? I believe this is what scientist are working on with DNA therapy. Also, there is some strong evidence that BITC (substance found in papaya seeds) can and does open the CFTR channel allowing it to function like a non-CF cell. Would any of you consider this a "cure" (this is a sticky word isn't it)? I think what might qualify as a cure for me is if my child's chances of lung progression no longer existed and enzymes were no longer needed (though if that is all he would have to do to be healthy that would be fine with me too! :).

As far as telling someone they want to be sick!!! OMG, how heartless. I think that is someone's feeble attempt at explaining away the emotional and possibly the spiritual aspects of disease. Bottom line for me... there are mysteries in this life... disease and death are 2 of the biggies. When the mind attempts to understand these mysteries, you simple get a lot of crazy ass ideas. Why do really nice and even amazing people get diseases or die unexpectedly? Don't know... Why did my son get the 2 CF genes and not my daughter? Don't know... All I do know is walking with the knowledge of how precious life really is helps me let go of having to know.

Fever-wise...we let them do their work within reason. If it lasts for more than a couple days with no other symptoms we usually get a check-up. I feel they are purposeful and are the body's way of reducing the number of bacteria or virus affecting the body so we forego the tylenol, especially in the beginning. Sometimes we give other immune boosting support at the onsaught of a fever (like echinacea, vitamin C, elderberry) to help the fever do its job. This seems to help them go through it easier. But again, if it is really high and they can't rest at all we might just do it at night on the 2nd or 3rd day to help with rest. Usually though the fever is the only thing that slows my kids down so they will rest! :)

PS I'd be angry too if a friend suggested that I could cure my son if only I wanted it badly enough!!
 

Foody

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Hmmm....curing the DNA with natural methods of healing? Perhaps she is mixing things up a bit or not stating what "cure" means in their mind? We are also very interested in "natural" methods of supporting the body to be well. These can include any number of things from herbs, homeopathy, supplements, acupuncture etc. However, they are not curing the underlying genetic make-up of my son...he in essence will continue to need this outside support, unless something comes along to change this. I see it as working within his given framework as I must work within my own body's limitation and strengths.

If this chiropractor would like to back up his hypothesis that CF is curable I'd like to see it! If you consider supporting the body in such a way that the expression of a genetic disease is severly limited and barely affects the body, than I think that is possible for some people. I also don't think it is fair to ignore the diversity of CF expression and progression by ever inferring that if X Y and Z are done, all will be fine and dandy - again unless something comes along that can be applied to all CF people.

So that leads me to a question: What if an herb or other natural substance allows the cells to operate as if the mutation did not exist? I believe this is what scientist are working on with DNA therapy. Also, there is some strong evidence that BITC (substance found in papaya seeds) can and does open the CFTR channel allowing it to function like a non-CF cell. Would any of you consider this a "cure" (this is a sticky word isn't it)? I think what might qualify as a cure for me is if my child's chances of lung progression no longer existed and enzymes were no longer needed (though if that is all he would have to do to be healthy that would be fine with me too! :).

As far as telling someone they want to be sick!!! OMG, how heartless. I think that is someone's feeble attempt at explaining away the emotional and possibly the spiritual aspects of disease. Bottom line for me... there are mysteries in this life... disease and death are 2 of the biggies. When the mind attempts to understand these mysteries, you simple get a lot of crazy ass ideas. Why do really nice and even amazing people get diseases or die unexpectedly? Don't know... Why did my son get the 2 CF genes and not my daughter? Don't know... All I do know is walking with the knowledge of how precious life really is helps me let go of having to know.

Fever-wise...we let them do their work within reason. If it lasts for more than a couple days with no other symptoms we usually get a check-up. I feel they are purposeful and are the body's way of reducing the number of bacteria or virus affecting the body so we forego the tylenol, especially in the beginning. Sometimes we give other immune boosting support at the onsaught of a fever (like echinacea, vitamin C, elderberry) to help the fever do its job. This seems to help them go through it easier. But again, if it is really high and they can't rest at all we might just do it at night on the 2nd or 3rd day to help with rest. Usually though the fever is the only thing that slows my kids down so they will rest! :)

PS I'd be angry too if a friend suggested that I could cure my son if only I wanted it badly enough!!
 

Foody

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Hmmm....curing the DNA with natural methods of healing? Perhaps she is mixing things up a bit or not stating what "cure" means in their mind? We are also very interested in "natural" methods of supporting the body to be well. These can include any number of things from herbs, homeopathy, supplements, acupuncture etc. However, they are not curing the underlying genetic make-up of my son...he in essence will continue to need this outside support, unless something comes along to change this. I see it as working within his given framework as I must work within my own body's limitation and strengths.

If this chiropractor would like to back up his hypothesis that CF is curable I'd like to see it! If you consider supporting the body in such a way that the expression of a genetic disease is severly limited and barely affects the body, than I think that is possible for some people. I also don't think it is fair to ignore the diversity of CF expression and progression by ever inferring that if X Y and Z are done, all will be fine and dandy - again unless something comes along that can be applied to all CF people.

So that leads me to a question: What if an herb or other natural substance allows the cells to operate as if the mutation did not exist? I believe this is what scientist are working on with DNA therapy. Also, there is some strong evidence that BITC (substance found in papaya seeds) can and does open the CFTR channel allowing it to function like a non-CF cell. Would any of you consider this a "cure" (this is a sticky word isn't it)? I think what might qualify as a cure for me is if my child's chances of lung progression no longer existed and enzymes were no longer needed (though if that is all he would have to do to be healthy that would be fine with me too! :).

As far as telling someone they want to be sick!!! OMG, how heartless. I think that is someone's feeble attempt at explaining away the emotional and possibly the spiritual aspects of disease. Bottom line for me... there are mysteries in this life... disease and death are 2 of the biggies. When the mind attempts to understand these mysteries, you simple get a lot of crazy ass ideas. Why do really nice and even amazing people get diseases or die unexpectedly? Don't know... Why did my son get the 2 CF genes and not my daughter? Don't know... All I do know is walking with the knowledge of how precious life really is helps me let go of having to know.

Fever-wise...we let them do their work within reason. If it lasts for more than a couple days with no other symptoms we usually get a check-up. I feel they are purposeful and are the body's way of reducing the number of bacteria or virus affecting the body so we forego the tylenol, especially in the beginning. Sometimes we give other immune boosting support at the onsaught of a fever (like echinacea, vitamin C, elderberry) to help the fever do its job. This seems to help them go through it easier. But again, if it is really high and they can't rest at all we might just do it at night on the 2nd or 3rd day to help with rest. Usually though the fever is the only thing that slows my kids down so they will rest! :)

PS I'd be angry too if a friend suggested that I could cure my son if only I wanted it badly enough!!
 

Foody

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Hmmm....curing the DNA with natural methods of healing? Perhaps she is mixing things up a bit or not stating what "cure" means in their mind? We are also very interested in "natural" methods of supporting the body to be well. These can include any number of things from herbs, homeopathy, supplements, acupuncture etc. However, they are not curing the underlying genetic make-up of my son...he in essence will continue to need this outside support, unless something comes along to change this. I see it as working within his given framework as I must work within my own body's limitation and strengths.

If this chiropractor would like to back up his hypothesis that CF is curable I'd like to see it! If you consider supporting the body in such a way that the expression of a genetic disease is severly limited and barely affects the body, than I think that is possible for some people. I also don't think it is fair to ignore the diversity of CF expression and progression by ever inferring that if X Y and Z are done, all will be fine and dandy - again unless something comes along that can be applied to all CF people.

So that leads me to a question: What if an herb or other natural substance allows the cells to operate as if the mutation did not exist? I believe this is what scientist are working on with DNA therapy. Also, there is some strong evidence that BITC (substance found in papaya seeds) can and does open the CFTR channel allowing it to function like a non-CF cell. Would any of you consider this a "cure" (this is a sticky word isn't it)? I think what might qualify as a cure for me is if my child's chances of lung progression no longer existed and enzymes were no longer needed (though if that is all he would have to do to be healthy that would be fine with me too! :).

As far as telling someone they want to be sick!!! OMG, how heartless. I think that is someone's feeble attempt at explaining away the emotional and possibly the spiritual aspects of disease. Bottom line for me... there are mysteries in this life... disease and death are 2 of the biggies. When the mind attempts to understand these mysteries, you simple get a lot of crazy ass ideas. Why do really nice and even amazing people get diseases or die unexpectedly? Don't know... Why did my son get the 2 CF genes and not my daughter? Don't know... All I do know is walking with the knowledge of how precious life really is helps me let go of having to know.

Fever-wise...we let them do their work within reason. If it lasts for more than a couple days with no other symptoms we usually get a check-up. I feel they are purposeful and are the body's way of reducing the number of bacteria or virus affecting the body so we forego the tylenol, especially in the beginning. Sometimes we give other immune boosting support at the onsaught of a fever (like echinacea, vitamin C, elderberry) to help the fever do its job. This seems to help them go through it easier. But again, if it is really high and they can't rest at all we might just do it at night on the 2nd or 3rd day to help with rest. Usually though the fever is the only thing that slows my kids down so they will rest! :)

PS I'd be angry too if a friend suggested that I could cure my son if only I wanted it badly enough!!
 

oldtimer1959

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I have no doubt in my mind that balancing the energies in your body will ENHANCE a state of well-being. It will not, however, cure a disease with the causitive factor of genetics.

Sounds to me your friend has lost the ability to use inteligent balance of the Western & Eastern medical philisophies.

I'd just smile and let her know that her opinion is her opinion and if her 'BEST' trained therapist wants to 'cure' you for free - have at it......

Being tuned into your body is a crucial aspect of health, chronic disease or not. You need to be smart with whatever you put into/on your body.....

I'd consider steering clear of the friend for a while and when you can be near without giving into the urge to smack'em upside the head, thank them for their opinion and ask her to refrain for discussing your health.
 

oldtimer1959

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I have no doubt in my mind that balancing the energies in your body will ENHANCE a state of well-being. It will not, however, cure a disease with the causitive factor of genetics.

Sounds to me your friend has lost the ability to use inteligent balance of the Western & Eastern medical philisophies.

I'd just smile and let her know that her opinion is her opinion and if her 'BEST' trained therapist wants to 'cure' you for free - have at it......

Being tuned into your body is a crucial aspect of health, chronic disease or not. You need to be smart with whatever you put into/on your body.....

I'd consider steering clear of the friend for a while and when you can be near without giving into the urge to smack'em upside the head, thank them for their opinion and ask her to refrain for discussing your health.
 

oldtimer1959

New member
I have no doubt in my mind that balancing the energies in your body will ENHANCE a state of well-being. It will not, however, cure a disease with the causitive factor of genetics.

Sounds to me your friend has lost the ability to use inteligent balance of the Western & Eastern medical philisophies.

I'd just smile and let her know that her opinion is her opinion and if her 'BEST' trained therapist wants to 'cure' you for free - have at it......

Being tuned into your body is a crucial aspect of health, chronic disease or not. You need to be smart with whatever you put into/on your body.....

I'd consider steering clear of the friend for a while and when you can be near without giving into the urge to smack'em upside the head, thank them for their opinion and ask her to refrain for discussing your health.
 

oldtimer1959

New member
I have no doubt in my mind that balancing the energies in your body will ENHANCE a state of well-being. It will not, however, cure a disease with the causitive factor of genetics.

Sounds to me your friend has lost the ability to use inteligent balance of the Western & Eastern medical philisophies.

I'd just smile and let her know that her opinion is her opinion and if her 'BEST' trained therapist wants to 'cure' you for free - have at it......

Being tuned into your body is a crucial aspect of health, chronic disease or not. You need to be smart with whatever you put into/on your body.....

I'd consider steering clear of the friend for a while and when you can be near without giving into the urge to smack'em upside the head, thank them for their opinion and ask her to refrain for discussing your health.
 

oldtimer1959

New member
I have no doubt in my mind that balancing the energies in your body will ENHANCE a state of well-being. It will not, however, cure a disease with the causitive factor of genetics.

Sounds to me your friend has lost the ability to use inteligent balance of the Western & Eastern medical philisophies.

I'd just smile and let her know that her opinion is her opinion and if her 'BEST' trained therapist wants to 'cure' you for free - have at it......

Being tuned into your body is a crucial aspect of health, chronic disease or not. You need to be smart with whatever you put into/on your body.....

I'd consider steering clear of the friend for a while and when you can be near without giving into the urge to smack'em upside the head, thank them for their opinion and ask her to refrain for discussing your health.
 
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65rosessamurai

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>wanderlost</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CaliSally</b></i>



Fred, I agree with you. So I thought of a question.



In regards to having CF and fevers - would YOU let the fever simmer? It's truly a curious question (not judgemental). I've been taking tylenol to help my fevers/headaches/muscle pains, until I get in for my tune-up. What's your thought on that? Should the CFer let a fever simmer, knowing that our bugs don't go away on their own really?</end quote></div>


I do - and I can't help but wonder if that hasn't contributed to the fact that my PA has not yet colonized and I am atill susceptible to most antibiotics when I do need to take them. I have to feel really horrible and have tried a lot of other "natural" stuff before I call in the docs - and that works for me, but I realize that won't work for everyone and my mode of treatment might land someone else in the hospital for a few weeks.



I think the key here is that there is wisdom in the body when we are tuned in and listening. As a kid, if I had so much as a sniffle my mom had me on amoxicillian, and to this day I can't get a cold without her asking if I have called in an abx - but I now know the difference in listening to my own body between a minor bug and a really serious infection and I deal with each appropriately. I think it would be irresponsible of me though to eschew all western medecine as "unnatural" and never take those ideas into account however, especially when I have little ones to care for.



One thing I was thinking about with my friend was pointing this idea out: yes, I might be able to heal a lung infection naturally and without abx over the course of time, but how much damage would be done to my lungs in that amount of time that I could have saved by using an antibiotic to head off the infection earlier?



I digress.



long answer, sorry.</end quote></div>

I wanted to answer CaliSally's reply with what I know about fevers, headaches and body aches.
First, Japanese Medicine is still part of "Eastern Medicine", so there are a lot of things done differently.
They don't have very many pain killers, in fact, some pain killers that are over-the-counter are considered illegal in Japan!
So, rather than take an aspirin or tylenol for a muscle ache, I put on a "patch" which is something like BenGay mixed with a gel and put on a cotton sheet to adhese to the skin. (Kinda easier with show and tell, but that's basically it). Most headaches I just grin-and-bear it. Sometimes I will do something as simple as gargle, or use a nose-spray my doc gives me.
Because the liver is affected for whenever you take most medications, it's often best to try other simple remedies, first. Taking a bath for sore muscles will sometimes elliviate the pain and discomfort. Most pains are related to blood accumulating in one spot; taking a bath would cause the blood to circulate. Aspirin basically just thins the blood (as it runs through the liver, making it work overtime).
So, when I really feel like I'm catching a cold, I do take cold medicine, but lately with my body temp rising slightly, and muscle ache to follow, I just drink a little extra water and rest, sometimes waking up with damp sheets.

I guess with age and paying attention to how your body acts, you can usually tell when a cold is coming up. I did have some sort of cold or something when I came back from the states...I think my sinuses had dried out, maybe I was dehydrating a bit as well, but I had an unproductive cough that lasted a week. What I did for it was basically try and get some rest and do a few extra nebs, or take a bath (the vapors from the bath could enter my lungs and sinuses to replace the moisture). However, since the cough was lasting all weekend and I had felt a fever by Monday night, I saw the doc Tuesday, and was given 5 days worth of meds. Better safe than sorry, for me. I have to be at work and can't afford taking chances to lose sick days, besides the wife was telling me to go...
 
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65rosessamurai

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>wanderlost</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CaliSally</b></i>



Fred, I agree with you. So I thought of a question.



In regards to having CF and fevers - would YOU let the fever simmer? It's truly a curious question (not judgemental). I've been taking tylenol to help my fevers/headaches/muscle pains, until I get in for my tune-up. What's your thought on that? Should the CFer let a fever simmer, knowing that our bugs don't go away on their own really?</end quote></div>


I do - and I can't help but wonder if that hasn't contributed to the fact that my PA has not yet colonized and I am atill susceptible to most antibiotics when I do need to take them. I have to feel really horrible and have tried a lot of other "natural" stuff before I call in the docs - and that works for me, but I realize that won't work for everyone and my mode of treatment might land someone else in the hospital for a few weeks.



I think the key here is that there is wisdom in the body when we are tuned in and listening. As a kid, if I had so much as a sniffle my mom had me on amoxicillian, and to this day I can't get a cold without her asking if I have called in an abx - but I now know the difference in listening to my own body between a minor bug and a really serious infection and I deal with each appropriately. I think it would be irresponsible of me though to eschew all western medecine as "unnatural" and never take those ideas into account however, especially when I have little ones to care for.



One thing I was thinking about with my friend was pointing this idea out: yes, I might be able to heal a lung infection naturally and without abx over the course of time, but how much damage would be done to my lungs in that amount of time that I could have saved by using an antibiotic to head off the infection earlier?



I digress.



long answer, sorry.</end quote></div>

I wanted to answer CaliSally's reply with what I know about fevers, headaches and body aches.
First, Japanese Medicine is still part of "Eastern Medicine", so there are a lot of things done differently.
They don't have very many pain killers, in fact, some pain killers that are over-the-counter are considered illegal in Japan!
So, rather than take an aspirin or tylenol for a muscle ache, I put on a "patch" which is something like BenGay mixed with a gel and put on a cotton sheet to adhese to the skin. (Kinda easier with show and tell, but that's basically it). Most headaches I just grin-and-bear it. Sometimes I will do something as simple as gargle, or use a nose-spray my doc gives me.
Because the liver is affected for whenever you take most medications, it's often best to try other simple remedies, first. Taking a bath for sore muscles will sometimes elliviate the pain and discomfort. Most pains are related to blood accumulating in one spot; taking a bath would cause the blood to circulate. Aspirin basically just thins the blood (as it runs through the liver, making it work overtime).
So, when I really feel like I'm catching a cold, I do take cold medicine, but lately with my body temp rising slightly, and muscle ache to follow, I just drink a little extra water and rest, sometimes waking up with damp sheets.

I guess with age and paying attention to how your body acts, you can usually tell when a cold is coming up. I did have some sort of cold or something when I came back from the states...I think my sinuses had dried out, maybe I was dehydrating a bit as well, but I had an unproductive cough that lasted a week. What I did for it was basically try and get some rest and do a few extra nebs, or take a bath (the vapors from the bath could enter my lungs and sinuses to replace the moisture). However, since the cough was lasting all weekend and I had felt a fever by Monday night, I saw the doc Tuesday, and was given 5 days worth of meds. Better safe than sorry, for me. I have to be at work and can't afford taking chances to lose sick days, besides the wife was telling me to go...
 
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65rosessamurai

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>wanderlost</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CaliSally</b></i>



Fred, I agree with you. So I thought of a question.



In regards to having CF and fevers - would YOU let the fever simmer? It's truly a curious question (not judgemental). I've been taking tylenol to help my fevers/headaches/muscle pains, until I get in for my tune-up. What's your thought on that? Should the CFer let a fever simmer, knowing that our bugs don't go away on their own really?</end quote></div>


I do - and I can't help but wonder if that hasn't contributed to the fact that my PA has not yet colonized and I am atill susceptible to most antibiotics when I do need to take them. I have to feel really horrible and have tried a lot of other "natural" stuff before I call in the docs - and that works for me, but I realize that won't work for everyone and my mode of treatment might land someone else in the hospital for a few weeks.



I think the key here is that there is wisdom in the body when we are tuned in and listening. As a kid, if I had so much as a sniffle my mom had me on amoxicillian, and to this day I can't get a cold without her asking if I have called in an abx - but I now know the difference in listening to my own body between a minor bug and a really serious infection and I deal with each appropriately. I think it would be irresponsible of me though to eschew all western medecine as "unnatural" and never take those ideas into account however, especially when I have little ones to care for.



One thing I was thinking about with my friend was pointing this idea out: yes, I might be able to heal a lung infection naturally and without abx over the course of time, but how much damage would be done to my lungs in that amount of time that I could have saved by using an antibiotic to head off the infection earlier?



I digress.



long answer, sorry.</end quote></div>

I wanted to answer CaliSally's reply with what I know about fevers, headaches and body aches.
First, Japanese Medicine is still part of "Eastern Medicine", so there are a lot of things done differently.
They don't have very many pain killers, in fact, some pain killers that are over-the-counter are considered illegal in Japan!
So, rather than take an aspirin or tylenol for a muscle ache, I put on a "patch" which is something like BenGay mixed with a gel and put on a cotton sheet to adhese to the skin. (Kinda easier with show and tell, but that's basically it). Most headaches I just grin-and-bear it. Sometimes I will do something as simple as gargle, or use a nose-spray my doc gives me.
Because the liver is affected for whenever you take most medications, it's often best to try other simple remedies, first. Taking a bath for sore muscles will sometimes elliviate the pain and discomfort. Most pains are related to blood accumulating in one spot; taking a bath would cause the blood to circulate. Aspirin basically just thins the blood (as it runs through the liver, making it work overtime).
So, when I really feel like I'm catching a cold, I do take cold medicine, but lately with my body temp rising slightly, and muscle ache to follow, I just drink a little extra water and rest, sometimes waking up with damp sheets.

I guess with age and paying attention to how your body acts, you can usually tell when a cold is coming up. I did have some sort of cold or something when I came back from the states...I think my sinuses had dried out, maybe I was dehydrating a bit as well, but I had an unproductive cough that lasted a week. What I did for it was basically try and get some rest and do a few extra nebs, or take a bath (the vapors from the bath could enter my lungs and sinuses to replace the moisture). However, since the cough was lasting all weekend and I had felt a fever by Monday night, I saw the doc Tuesday, and was given 5 days worth of meds. Better safe than sorry, for me. I have to be at work and can't afford taking chances to lose sick days, besides the wife was telling me to go...
 
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65rosessamurai

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>wanderlost</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CaliSally</b></i>



Fred, I agree with you. So I thought of a question.



In regards to having CF and fevers - would YOU let the fever simmer? It's truly a curious question (not judgemental). I've been taking tylenol to help my fevers/headaches/muscle pains, until I get in for my tune-up. What's your thought on that? Should the CFer let a fever simmer, knowing that our bugs don't go away on their own really?</end quote>


I do - and I can't help but wonder if that hasn't contributed to the fact that my PA has not yet colonized and I am atill susceptible to most antibiotics when I do need to take them. I have to feel really horrible and have tried a lot of other "natural" stuff before I call in the docs - and that works for me, but I realize that won't work for everyone and my mode of treatment might land someone else in the hospital for a few weeks.



I think the key here is that there is wisdom in the body when we are tuned in and listening. As a kid, if I had so much as a sniffle my mom had me on amoxicillian, and to this day I can't get a cold without her asking if I have called in an abx - but I now know the difference in listening to my own body between a minor bug and a really serious infection and I deal with each appropriately. I think it would be irresponsible of me though to eschew all western medecine as "unnatural" and never take those ideas into account however, especially when I have little ones to care for.



One thing I was thinking about with my friend was pointing this idea out: yes, I might be able to heal a lung infection naturally and without abx over the course of time, but how much damage would be done to my lungs in that amount of time that I could have saved by using an antibiotic to head off the infection earlier?



I digress.



long answer, sorry.</end quote>

I wanted to answer CaliSally's reply with what I know about fevers, headaches and body aches.
First, Japanese Medicine is still part of "Eastern Medicine", so there are a lot of things done differently.
They don't have very many pain killers, in fact, some pain killers that are over-the-counter are considered illegal in Japan!
So, rather than take an aspirin or tylenol for a muscle ache, I put on a "patch" which is something like BenGay mixed with a gel and put on a cotton sheet to adhese to the skin. (Kinda easier with show and tell, but that's basically it). Most headaches I just grin-and-bear it. Sometimes I will do something as simple as gargle, or use a nose-spray my doc gives me.
Because the liver is affected for whenever you take most medications, it's often best to try other simple remedies, first. Taking a bath for sore muscles will sometimes elliviate the pain and discomfort. Most pains are related to blood accumulating in one spot; taking a bath would cause the blood to circulate. Aspirin basically just thins the blood (as it runs through the liver, making it work overtime).
So, when I really feel like I'm catching a cold, I do take cold medicine, but lately with my body temp rising slightly, and muscle ache to follow, I just drink a little extra water and rest, sometimes waking up with damp sheets.

I guess with age and paying attention to how your body acts, you can usually tell when a cold is coming up. I did have some sort of cold or something when I came back from the states...I think my sinuses had dried out, maybe I was dehydrating a bit as well, but I had an unproductive cough that lasted a week. What I did for it was basically try and get some rest and do a few extra nebs, or take a bath (the vapors from the bath could enter my lungs and sinuses to replace the moisture). However, since the cough was lasting all weekend and I had felt a fever by Monday night, I saw the doc Tuesday, and was given 5 days worth of meds. Better safe than sorry, for me. I have to be at work and can't afford taking chances to lose sick days, besides the wife was telling me to go...
 
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>wanderlost</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>CaliSally</b></i>



Fred, I agree with you. So I thought of a question.



In regards to having CF and fevers - would YOU let the fever simmer? It's truly a curious question (not judgemental). I've been taking tylenol to help my fevers/headaches/muscle pains, until I get in for my tune-up. What's your thought on that? Should the CFer let a fever simmer, knowing that our bugs don't go away on their own really?</end quote>


I do - and I can't help but wonder if that hasn't contributed to the fact that my PA has not yet colonized and I am atill susceptible to most antibiotics when I do need to take them. I have to feel really horrible and have tried a lot of other "natural" stuff before I call in the docs - and that works for me, but I realize that won't work for everyone and my mode of treatment might land someone else in the hospital for a few weeks.



I think the key here is that there is wisdom in the body when we are tuned in and listening. As a kid, if I had so much as a sniffle my mom had me on amoxicillian, and to this day I can't get a cold without her asking if I have called in an abx - but I now know the difference in listening to my own body between a minor bug and a really serious infection and I deal with each appropriately. I think it would be irresponsible of me though to eschew all western medecine as "unnatural" and never take those ideas into account however, especially when I have little ones to care for.



One thing I was thinking about with my friend was pointing this idea out: yes, I might be able to heal a lung infection naturally and without abx over the course of time, but how much damage would be done to my lungs in that amount of time that I could have saved by using an antibiotic to head off the infection earlier?



I digress.



long answer, sorry.</end quote>

I wanted to answer CaliSally's reply with what I know about fevers, headaches and body aches.
First, Japanese Medicine is still part of "Eastern Medicine", so there are a lot of things done differently.
They don't have very many pain killers, in fact, some pain killers that are over-the-counter are considered illegal in Japan!
So, rather than take an aspirin or tylenol for a muscle ache, I put on a "patch" which is something like BenGay mixed with a gel and put on a cotton sheet to adhese to the skin. (Kinda easier with show and tell, but that's basically it). Most headaches I just grin-and-bear it. Sometimes I will do something as simple as gargle, or use a nose-spray my doc gives me.
Because the liver is affected for whenever you take most medications, it's often best to try other simple remedies, first. Taking a bath for sore muscles will sometimes elliviate the pain and discomfort. Most pains are related to blood accumulating in one spot; taking a bath would cause the blood to circulate. Aspirin basically just thins the blood (as it runs through the liver, making it work overtime).
So, when I really feel like I'm catching a cold, I do take cold medicine, but lately with my body temp rising slightly, and muscle ache to follow, I just drink a little extra water and rest, sometimes waking up with damp sheets.

I guess with age and paying attention to how your body acts, you can usually tell when a cold is coming up. I did have some sort of cold or something when I came back from the states...I think my sinuses had dried out, maybe I was dehydrating a bit as well, but I had an unproductive cough that lasted a week. What I did for it was basically try and get some rest and do a few extra nebs, or take a bath (the vapors from the bath could enter my lungs and sinuses to replace the moisture). However, since the cough was lasting all weekend and I had felt a fever by Monday night, I saw the doc Tuesday, and was given 5 days worth of meds. Better safe than sorry, for me. I have to be at work and can't afford taking chances to lose sick days, besides the wife was telling me to go...
 

CaliSally

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Thanks Fred.
I didn't know about the accumulation of blood causing some muscle aches and pains. I fall into the trap of taking meds for problems I guess from laziness (anti-inflammatory, fever reducers etc), but am also interested in "health" and so I am re-enlightened by your response to try to stay away from those items, as much as possible. I wish I had my own jacuzzi for my muscles !!! (bathes help a little).

Anyone want to contribute to the Katrina fund? That's what I'll name my jacuzzi <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 

CaliSally

New member
Thanks Fred.
I didn't know about the accumulation of blood causing some muscle aches and pains. I fall into the trap of taking meds for problems I guess from laziness (anti-inflammatory, fever reducers etc), but am also interested in "health" and so I am re-enlightened by your response to try to stay away from those items, as much as possible. I wish I had my own jacuzzi for my muscles !!! (bathes help a little).

Anyone want to contribute to the Katrina fund? That's what I'll name my jacuzzi <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 

CaliSally

New member
Thanks Fred.
I didn't know about the accumulation of blood causing some muscle aches and pains. I fall into the trap of taking meds for problems I guess from laziness (anti-inflammatory, fever reducers etc), but am also interested in "health" and so I am re-enlightened by your response to try to stay away from those items, as much as possible. I wish I had my own jacuzzi for my muscles !!! (bathes help a little).

Anyone want to contribute to the Katrina fund? That's what I'll name my jacuzzi <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 

CaliSally

New member
Thanks Fred.
I didn't know about the accumulation of blood causing some muscle aches and pains. I fall into the trap of taking meds for problems I guess from laziness (anti-inflammatory, fever reducers etc), but am also interested in "health" and so I am re-enlightened by your response to try to stay away from those items, as much as possible. I wish I had my own jacuzzi for my muscles !!! (bathes help a little).

Anyone want to contribute to the Katrina fund? That's what I'll name my jacuzzi <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 

CaliSally

New member
Thanks Fred.
I didn't know about the accumulation of blood causing some muscle aches and pains. I fall into the trap of taking meds for problems I guess from laziness (anti-inflammatory, fever reducers etc), but am also interested in "health" and so I am re-enlightened by your response to try to stay away from those items, as much as possible. I wish I had my own jacuzzi for my muscles !!! (bathes help a little).

Anyone want to contribute to the Katrina fund? That's what I'll name my jacuzzi <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 
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