33,000 calories a day

[Emily65Roses]

Only thing I would want to say to that (and there are no daggers involved) is to argue the gay in your response. Being gay is no more a choice than you or I being straight. Why are you straight? Did you think to yourself "Hmm... do I want to be attracted to men?" Most people would respond that they just <i>were</i> attracted to the opposite sex. You didn't sit down and decide it was what you wanted, it's just naturally who you were attracted to. And I wouldn't hesitate a second to argue that gay people are the same. They just <b>are</b>.

 

[Emily65Roses]

Only thing I would want to say to that (and there are no daggers involved) is to argue the gay in your response. Being gay is no more a choice than you or I being straight. Why are you straight? Did you think to yourself "Hmm... do I want to be attracted to men?" Most people would respond that they just <i>were</i> attracted to the opposite sex. You didn't sit down and decide it was what you wanted, it's just naturally who you were attracted to. And I wouldn't hesitate a second to argue that gay people are the same. They just <b>are</b>.

 

[Emily65Roses]

Only thing I would want to say to that (and there are no daggers involved) is to argue the gay in your response. Being gay is no more a choice than you or I being straight. Why are you straight? Did you think to yourself "Hmm... do I want to be attracted to men?" Most people would respond that they just <i>were</i> attracted to the opposite sex. You didn't sit down and decide it was what you wanted, it's just naturally who you were attracted to. And I wouldn't hesitate a second to argue that gay people are the same. They just <b>are</b>.

 

[loveee12]

I completely agree with Emily in regards to the homosexuality thing. In fact, it IS scientifically documented that homosexuals brains are wired differently; releasing opposite chemicals or something, etc. People don't just choose to be ostracized...

... and with the obese thing, I don't think anyone that's writing all these insensitive comments really KNOWS anyone who's obese. I mean you know them personally - not just of them. They have all kinds of problems and whatnot... I don't think you guys would want someone to judge you by your cf before they really know the cause or anything about you, etc.

 

[loveee12]

I completely agree with Emily in regards to the homosexuality thing. In fact, it IS scientifically documented that homosexuals brains are wired differently; releasing opposite chemicals or something, etc. People don't just choose to be ostracized...

... and with the obese thing, I don't think anyone that's writing all these insensitive comments really KNOWS anyone who's obese. I mean you know them personally - not just of them. They have all kinds of problems and whatnot... I don't think you guys would want someone to judge you by your cf before they really know the cause or anything about you, etc.

 

[loveee12]

I completely agree with Emily in regards to the homosexuality thing. In fact, it IS scientifically documented that homosexuals brains are wired differently; releasing opposite chemicals or something, etc. People don't just choose to be ostracized...

... and with the obese thing, I don't think anyone that's writing all these insensitive comments really KNOWS anyone who's obese. I mean you know them personally - not just of them. They have all kinds of problems and whatnot... I don't think you guys would want someone to judge you by your cf before they really know the cause or anything about you, etc.

 

[2perfectboys]

Emily,
I knew when I put that in there it would jump out at some people. Chuckle.

Although it's not a gay thread, I do feel that sexuality does have societal influences. But again I will go to the if it feels good do it. Like in the 60s, all the drugs and sex. The 2000's are the gay is cool. And if u r gay, bi, straight, hey great for u, could care less, and it is who u r, so there is nothing wrong with it. But in one of our suburbs the girls are bi, because it's the in thing to be. So If it's not somewhat choice, what about child molestors? I'm sure they just didn't think one day that's what they wanted to be when they grew up. There's no way that can be genetic, a lot of them are people like that because of influences in life, they were molested themselves, of just the fact that they are really sick in the head.

TV is inudated with tv shows that have gay in their plot. Really started with the show, Will and Grace, but the gay theme is in numerous shows, Deperate housewife went there, Queer Eye for Straight guy, Survivor, and I firgure Grey'a Anatomy will with my favorite character George coming out. The View, may as well change it's name to the Abnoxious Gay Liberal Rosie View.

Where are all the fat characters on the TV shows, Gay is reality so I see why TV shows put it in their plot, but it fatness.

Just my warped conservative stuburron view.

Lori

 

[2perfectboys]

Emily,
I knew when I put that in there it would jump out at some people. Chuckle.

Although it's not a gay thread, I do feel that sexuality does have societal influences. But again I will go to the if it feels good do it. Like in the 60s, all the drugs and sex. The 2000's are the gay is cool. And if u r gay, bi, straight, hey great for u, could care less, and it is who u r, so there is nothing wrong with it. But in one of our suburbs the girls are bi, because it's the in thing to be. So If it's not somewhat choice, what about child molestors? I'm sure they just didn't think one day that's what they wanted to be when they grew up. There's no way that can be genetic, a lot of them are people like that because of influences in life, they were molested themselves, of just the fact that they are really sick in the head.

TV is inudated with tv shows that have gay in their plot. Really started with the show, Will and Grace, but the gay theme is in numerous shows, Deperate housewife went there, Queer Eye for Straight guy, Survivor, and I firgure Grey'a Anatomy will with my favorite character George coming out. The View, may as well change it's name to the Abnoxious Gay Liberal Rosie View.

Where are all the fat characters on the TV shows, Gay is reality so I see why TV shows put it in their plot, but it fatness.

Just my warped conservative stuburron view.

Lori

 

[2perfectboys]

Emily,
I knew when I put that in there it would jump out at some people. Chuckle.

Although it's not a gay thread, I do feel that sexuality does have societal influences. But again I will go to the if it feels good do it. Like in the 60s, all the drugs and sex. The 2000's are the gay is cool. And if u r gay, bi, straight, hey great for u, could care less, and it is who u r, so there is nothing wrong with it. But in one of our suburbs the girls are bi, because it's the in thing to be. So If it's not somewhat choice, what about child molestors? I'm sure they just didn't think one day that's what they wanted to be when they grew up. There's no way that can be genetic, a lot of them are people like that because of influences in life, they were molested themselves, of just the fact that they are really sick in the head.

TV is inudated with tv shows that have gay in their plot. Really started with the show, Will and Grace, but the gay theme is in numerous shows, Deperate housewife went there, Queer Eye for Straight guy, Survivor, and I firgure Grey'a Anatomy will with my favorite character George coming out. The View, may as well change it's name to the Abnoxious Gay Liberal Rosie View.

Where are all the fat characters on the TV shows, Gay is reality so I see why TV shows put it in their plot, but it fatness.

Just my warped conservative stuburron view.

Lori

 

[Diane]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>





if someone is obese, and they get gastric bypass, they will lose weight. calorie intake reduced = weight loss.



i won't be sensitive to something that is brought on put puting food in their mouth.



CF has nothing to do with what I do - I was made that way. the reason there isn't sensitivity to an obese person's plight is because it's controllable whereas CF is not.



Thank goodness people on this site realize that....</end quote></div>

I think what i said went right over your head ,so ill make it easier to understand....
I was watching a show about a man one time who was a bit over weight, his one leg weighed 250 lbs all by itself , and it was caused by a lymphatic problem( i hope i got that right and accurate) not an eating problem. Granted his one leg was way bigger than most of his whole body but not everyones obesity is caused by eating too much. It was not under his control, just like cf isnt under ours. he didnt choose for that to happen to him, just like none of us chose to have cf.... thats why i said you shouldnt judge so easily without having the facts. Oh yeah i forgot to mention , theres a guy in my car club who has leukemia and something to do with it caused him to be obese. He is the sweetest guy you'd ever want to meet, and i bet if you saw him you'd think he must be eating a ton to get that way, but you'd be as wrong as someone saying you are thin because you starve youself.

 

[Diane]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>





if someone is obese, and they get gastric bypass, they will lose weight. calorie intake reduced = weight loss.



i won't be sensitive to something that is brought on put puting food in their mouth.



CF has nothing to do with what I do - I was made that way. the reason there isn't sensitivity to an obese person's plight is because it's controllable whereas CF is not.



Thank goodness people on this site realize that....</end quote></div>

I think what i said went right over your head ,so ill make it easier to understand....
I was watching a show about a man one time who was a bit over weight, his one leg weighed 250 lbs all by itself , and it was caused by a lymphatic problem( i hope i got that right and accurate) not an eating problem. Granted his one leg was way bigger than most of his whole body but not everyones obesity is caused by eating too much. It was not under his control, just like cf isnt under ours. he didnt choose for that to happen to him, just like none of us chose to have cf.... thats why i said you shouldnt judge so easily without having the facts. Oh yeah i forgot to mention , theres a guy in my car club who has leukemia and something to do with it caused him to be obese. He is the sweetest guy you'd ever want to meet, and i bet if you saw him you'd think he must be eating a ton to get that way, but you'd be as wrong as someone saying you are thin because you starve youself.

 

[Diane]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>





if someone is obese, and they get gastric bypass, they will lose weight. calorie intake reduced = weight loss.



i won't be sensitive to something that is brought on put puting food in their mouth.



CF has nothing to do with what I do - I was made that way. the reason there isn't sensitivity to an obese person's plight is because it's controllable whereas CF is not.



Thank goodness people on this site realize that....</end quote></div>

I think what i said went right over your head ,so ill make it easier to understand....
I was watching a show about a man one time who was a bit over weight, his one leg weighed 250 lbs all by itself , and it was caused by a lymphatic problem( i hope i got that right and accurate) not an eating problem. Granted his one leg was way bigger than most of his whole body but not everyones obesity is caused by eating too much. It was not under his control, just like cf isnt under ours. he didnt choose for that to happen to him, just like none of us chose to have cf.... thats why i said you shouldnt judge so easily without having the facts. Oh yeah i forgot to mention , theres a guy in my car club who has leukemia and something to do with it caused him to be obese. He is the sweetest guy you'd ever want to meet, and i bet if you saw him you'd think he must be eating a ton to get that way, but you'd be as wrong as someone saying you are thin because you starve youself.

 

[2perfectboys]

But Diane the majority of obese people do not have lymphatic problems. Yes certain medications and diseases can cause people to be overweight, sometimes just temporary. Thyroid problem are treatable and there are medications to control it. The hard cold fact is that probably about 98% of americans are obese by choice. They eat too much and exercise too little. Some people don't mind being heavy and are happy. Then there are some that are not but can't change so they end of with a cycle of other problems. But for someone to be 600 pounds, should not happen. There is a lot of enabeling going on in those situations. These people have to be on welfare too, so where they get all their money for food I question. I know that I spend more money if I get junk food at for 3 at McDonalds, than I would if I baked a chicken w/ some veggies and rice.

 

[2perfectboys]

But Diane the majority of obese people do not have lymphatic problems. Yes certain medications and diseases can cause people to be overweight, sometimes just temporary. Thyroid problem are treatable and there are medications to control it. The hard cold fact is that probably about 98% of americans are obese by choice. They eat too much and exercise too little. Some people don't mind being heavy and are happy. Then there are some that are not but can't change so they end of with a cycle of other problems. But for someone to be 600 pounds, should not happen. There is a lot of enabeling going on in those situations. These people have to be on welfare too, so where they get all their money for food I question. I know that I spend more money if I get junk food at for 3 at McDonalds, than I would if I baked a chicken w/ some veggies and rice.

 

[2perfectboys]

But Diane the majority of obese people do not have lymphatic problems. Yes certain medications and diseases can cause people to be overweight, sometimes just temporary. Thyroid problem are treatable and there are medications to control it. The hard cold fact is that probably about 98% of americans are obese by choice. They eat too much and exercise too little. Some people don't mind being heavy and are happy. Then there are some that are not but can't change so they end of with a cycle of other problems. But for someone to be 600 pounds, should not happen. There is a lot of enabeling going on in those situations. These people have to be on welfare too, so where they get all their money for food I question. I know that I spend more money if I get junk food at for 3 at McDonalds, than I would if I baked a chicken w/ some veggies and rice.

 

[kybert]

'weight' gain from a lymphatic problem doesnt count im afraid. why? because thats fluid, not fat. therefore the person isnt obese. obesity is in reference to fat.

i dont buy the blame game on certain medications. when i took steroids i was overweight. people would always say "oh dont worry its the steroids fault". uhhh no. it was partly the steroids fault, and it was partly MINE. im the one who grabbed everything in sight and put it in my mouth. im the one who ate fatty foods instead of choosing something better. im the one who didnt do something else to distract me. i dont see a little white tablet growing arms and lifting a packet of potato chips into my mouth.

 

[kybert]

'weight' gain from a lymphatic problem doesnt count im afraid. why? because thats fluid, not fat. therefore the person isnt obese. obesity is in reference to fat.

i dont buy the blame game on certain medications. when i took steroids i was overweight. people would always say "oh dont worry its the steroids fault". uhhh no. it was partly the steroids fault, and it was partly MINE. im the one who grabbed everything in sight and put it in my mouth. im the one who ate fatty foods instead of choosing something better. im the one who didnt do something else to distract me. i dont see a little white tablet growing arms and lifting a packet of potato chips into my mouth.

 

[kybert]

'weight' gain from a lymphatic problem doesnt count im afraid. why? because thats fluid, not fat. therefore the person isnt obese. obesity is in reference to fat.

i dont buy the blame game on certain medications. when i took steroids i was overweight. people would always say "oh dont worry its the steroids fault". uhhh no. it was partly the steroids fault, and it was partly MINE. im the one who grabbed everything in sight and put it in my mouth. im the one who ate fatty foods instead of choosing something better. im the one who didnt do something else to distract me. i dont see a little white tablet growing arms and lifting a packet of potato chips into my mouth.

 

[amber682]

I believe the problem on this particular show was that they were actually ADDICTED to food. The woman was going through these cycles of eating because she loved everything about it, the smells, tastes, everything. She was addicted to it. Then afterwards she'd feel extremely depressed because she ate so much. This depression led to more eating to make herself feel better. So if you believe that addiction is a disease, then this morbidly obese person had a disease.

An interesting side note, I had no idea a human body has a pre set number of fat cells. They swell and/or shrink, but normally don't divide to make more fat cells. But once they are all at maximum capacity, they do divide. I believe this show said an average person has about 4 billion fat cells. This lady had up to an estimated 100 billion fat cells. Now, even if she loses weight, she will always have these extra fat cells. She'll probably have difficulty keeping weight off because of this.

 

[amber682]

I believe the problem on this particular show was that they were actually ADDICTED to food. The woman was going through these cycles of eating because she loved everything about it, the smells, tastes, everything. She was addicted to it. Then afterwards she'd feel extremely depressed because she ate so much. This depression led to more eating to make herself feel better. So if you believe that addiction is a disease, then this morbidly obese person had a disease.

An interesting side note, I had no idea a human body has a pre set number of fat cells. They swell and/or shrink, but normally don't divide to make more fat cells. But once they are all at maximum capacity, they do divide. I believe this show said an average person has about 4 billion fat cells. This lady had up to an estimated 100 billion fat cells. Now, even if she loses weight, she will always have these extra fat cells. She'll probably have difficulty keeping weight off because of this.