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dramamama

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I hate to cause more problems....
There is a link between morbid obesity and a hormone called leptin. This particualr hormone causes a person to feel full...many people with morbid obesity are either lacking leptin or are resistant to it. I agree that people need to close their mouths and start exercising...but, come on. Some people are that way because they have a GENETIC predisposition that makes them struggle with their weight. I am not talking about fat kids who eat junk and play nintendo (although that is what is going to kill our health care industry)...I am talking about people who have to be lifted with a crane out of bed. Imagine, eating all the time and never being able to stop the insatiable hunger....that is what morbidly obese suffer with every day. Mice studies on mice without leptin eat ALL day long...theycan't quit because they feel like they are starving.

Genetics....I think we all can attest to the fact that it is a roll of the dice.
 

dramamama

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I hate to cause more problems....
There is a link between morbid obesity and a hormone called leptin. This particualr hormone causes a person to feel full...many people with morbid obesity are either lacking leptin or are resistant to it. I agree that people need to close their mouths and start exercising...but, come on. Some people are that way because they have a GENETIC predisposition that makes them struggle with their weight. I am not talking about fat kids who eat junk and play nintendo (although that is what is going to kill our health care industry)...I am talking about people who have to be lifted with a crane out of bed. Imagine, eating all the time and never being able to stop the insatiable hunger....that is what morbidly obese suffer with every day. Mice studies on mice without leptin eat ALL day long...theycan't quit because they feel like they are starving.

Genetics....I think we all can attest to the fact that it is a roll of the dice.
 

Emily65Roses

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There's genetics involved, there's hormones involved, etc etc. But often times, the people that weigh 300+ lbs are <i>also</i> eating too much. The starving thing you said, dramamama, that can be true. And that makes life harder. But you can still learn a way around it. Just like an alcoholic learns to avoid drinking, and a drug addict goes through detox. A CFer learns to live around all the crap we have to do. Someone lactose intolerant learns not to eat dairy. While these people will always struggle, it's still, to some degree, in their control. Being addicted to nicotine sucks, but every person who smokes is <i>choosing</i> to do so. Sure, it can be hard to quit. But it's not impossible.

I realize a hormonal issue isn't the same as smoking (because people who smoke do so entirely of their own free will and hormones aren't a conscious decision). I also realize it's not exactly the same as any of the other stuff I said. But it has parallels. I'm not saying it's easy for these people, or that changing their diet/life would be a piece of cake (no pun intended), but it's <b>possible</b>. And that's where I hit a bit of a wall. I have nothing against obese people, personally. But if they're going to continue overeating, and then also b*tch about their health problems, I have little sympathy. It's like a smoker who b*tches when they get cancer. Excuse me? Shut up. I do have more sympathy for an obese person who gets health problems than a smoker, <b>by a long shot</b>. But there's still an element of control there that they're not seizing. <i>(And do NOT even get me started on parents that <u>seriously</u> overfeed their children... they should have their kids taken away by DCF).</i>

No one's life is easy, everyone has something that sucks they have to deal with, whether it's brought on by themselves or not. I have CF, not my fault, it sucks, I deal. Mike used to smoke, his fault, it sucks, he deals. Someone is obese, there's a degree of fault (though it's not 100%), it sucks, you deal. The obese subject seems to be in between something like CF (entirely devoid of personal fault) and smoking (100% personal fault). It's not all their faults, but they have some control over it. And they should take control of what's possible and try to better their situation.

I hope that all made some sense.
 

Emily65Roses

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There's genetics involved, there's hormones involved, etc etc. But often times, the people that weigh 300+ lbs are <i>also</i> eating too much. The starving thing you said, dramamama, that can be true. And that makes life harder. But you can still learn a way around it. Just like an alcoholic learns to avoid drinking, and a drug addict goes through detox. A CFer learns to live around all the crap we have to do. Someone lactose intolerant learns not to eat dairy. While these people will always struggle, it's still, to some degree, in their control. Being addicted to nicotine sucks, but every person who smokes is <i>choosing</i> to do so. Sure, it can be hard to quit. But it's not impossible.

I realize a hormonal issue isn't the same as smoking (because people who smoke do so entirely of their own free will and hormones aren't a conscious decision). I also realize it's not exactly the same as any of the other stuff I said. But it has parallels. I'm not saying it's easy for these people, or that changing their diet/life would be a piece of cake (no pun intended), but it's <b>possible</b>. And that's where I hit a bit of a wall. I have nothing against obese people, personally. But if they're going to continue overeating, and then also b*tch about their health problems, I have little sympathy. It's like a smoker who b*tches when they get cancer. Excuse me? Shut up. I do have more sympathy for an obese person who gets health problems than a smoker, <b>by a long shot</b>. But there's still an element of control there that they're not seizing. <i>(And do NOT even get me started on parents that <u>seriously</u> overfeed their children... they should have their kids taken away by DCF).</i>

No one's life is easy, everyone has something that sucks they have to deal with, whether it's brought on by themselves or not. I have CF, not my fault, it sucks, I deal. Mike used to smoke, his fault, it sucks, he deals. Someone is obese, there's a degree of fault (though it's not 100%), it sucks, you deal. The obese subject seems to be in between something like CF (entirely devoid of personal fault) and smoking (100% personal fault). It's not all their faults, but they have some control over it. And they should take control of what's possible and try to better their situation.

I hope that all made some sense.
 

Emily65Roses

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There's genetics involved, there's hormones involved, etc etc. But often times, the people that weigh 300+ lbs are <i>also</i> eating too much. The starving thing you said, dramamama, that can be true. And that makes life harder. But you can still learn a way around it. Just like an alcoholic learns to avoid drinking, and a drug addict goes through detox. A CFer learns to live around all the crap we have to do. Someone lactose intolerant learns not to eat dairy. While these people will always struggle, it's still, to some degree, in their control. Being addicted to nicotine sucks, but every person who smokes is <i>choosing</i> to do so. Sure, it can be hard to quit. But it's not impossible.

I realize a hormonal issue isn't the same as smoking (because people who smoke do so entirely of their own free will and hormones aren't a conscious decision). I also realize it's not exactly the same as any of the other stuff I said. But it has parallels. I'm not saying it's easy for these people, or that changing their diet/life would be a piece of cake (no pun intended), but it's <b>possible</b>. And that's where I hit a bit of a wall. I have nothing against obese people, personally. But if they're going to continue overeating, and then also b*tch about their health problems, I have little sympathy. It's like a smoker who b*tches when they get cancer. Excuse me? Shut up. I do have more sympathy for an obese person who gets health problems than a smoker, <b>by a long shot</b>. But there's still an element of control there that they're not seizing. <i>(And do NOT even get me started on parents that <u>seriously</u> overfeed their children... they should have their kids taken away by DCF).</i>

No one's life is easy, everyone has something that sucks they have to deal with, whether it's brought on by themselves or not. I have CF, not my fault, it sucks, I deal. Mike used to smoke, his fault, it sucks, he deals. Someone is obese, there's a degree of fault (though it's not 100%), it sucks, you deal. The obese subject seems to be in between something like CF (entirely devoid of personal fault) and smoking (100% personal fault). It's not all their faults, but they have some control over it. And they should take control of what's possible and try to better their situation.

I hope that all made some sense.
 

dramamama

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Ya, I see your point. and it is valid. My contention is that obese people have the hormone defficiency and they have to struggle with the prejudice that comes along with it. We as cfers normally do not. We hear, "why, I never would have known you were sick, you look healthy" but people do not hate us because we have a loud cough. Read back over the posts.... seems like there is a lack of compassion going on here.

Everyone knows where I stand on food issues....HEALTHY DIET is everything to me.... I just feel bad for people who don' know how to change their circumstance or can't because they have a genetic predisposition. And, remember, only in the last 3 years, has there been a medical explanation for morbid obesity. Remember, I am not talking about fat from no exercise and twinkies....I am talking about morbid obesity...33000 cals a day.

Emily, maybe we just view things differently, and hey, that's cool too. I will never look at a smoker who has cancer and not have compassion. Why in the world do I have this stupid disease if I can't help and relate to others who are sick? But, that is another issue entirely....maybe we should start a new thread<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

mandy
 

dramamama

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Ya, I see your point. and it is valid. My contention is that obese people have the hormone defficiency and they have to struggle with the prejudice that comes along with it. We as cfers normally do not. We hear, "why, I never would have known you were sick, you look healthy" but people do not hate us because we have a loud cough. Read back over the posts.... seems like there is a lack of compassion going on here.

Everyone knows where I stand on food issues....HEALTHY DIET is everything to me.... I just feel bad for people who don' know how to change their circumstance or can't because they have a genetic predisposition. And, remember, only in the last 3 years, has there been a medical explanation for morbid obesity. Remember, I am not talking about fat from no exercise and twinkies....I am talking about morbid obesity...33000 cals a day.

Emily, maybe we just view things differently, and hey, that's cool too. I will never look at a smoker who has cancer and not have compassion. Why in the world do I have this stupid disease if I can't help and relate to others who are sick? But, that is another issue entirely....maybe we should start a new thread<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

mandy
 

dramamama

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Ya, I see your point. and it is valid. My contention is that obese people have the hormone defficiency and they have to struggle with the prejudice that comes along with it. We as cfers normally do not. We hear, "why, I never would have known you were sick, you look healthy" but people do not hate us because we have a loud cough. Read back over the posts.... seems like there is a lack of compassion going on here.

Everyone knows where I stand on food issues....HEALTHY DIET is everything to me.... I just feel bad for people who don' know how to change their circumstance or can't because they have a genetic predisposition. And, remember, only in the last 3 years, has there been a medical explanation for morbid obesity. Remember, I am not talking about fat from no exercise and twinkies....I am talking about morbid obesity...33000 cals a day.

Emily, maybe we just view things differently, and hey, that's cool too. I will never look at a smoker who has cancer and not have compassion. Why in the world do I have this stupid disease if I can't help and relate to others who are sick? But, that is another issue entirely....maybe we should start a new thread<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

mandy
 

Emily65Roses

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Haha. I wasn't writing that whole thing to you. Just noted you because you were the one that had mentioned the hormonal issues.

One thing I just wanted to contest... people often do hate me for my loud cough. It happens less after I explain the situation, but I still get sh*tty people who are rude even after you talk to them. I imagine lots of us do.

And the smoking thing, I know I'm b*tchy. I wasn't looking for everyone to agree with me on that one. Just making a comparison in hopes it would clarify my point some. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Emily65Roses

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Haha. I wasn't writing that whole thing to you. Just noted you because you were the one that had mentioned the hormonal issues.

One thing I just wanted to contest... people often do hate me for my loud cough. It happens less after I explain the situation, but I still get sh*tty people who are rude even after you talk to them. I imagine lots of us do.

And the smoking thing, I know I'm b*tchy. I wasn't looking for everyone to agree with me on that one. Just making a comparison in hopes it would clarify my point some. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Emily65Roses

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Haha. I wasn't writing that whole thing to you. Just noted you because you were the one that had mentioned the hormonal issues.

One thing I just wanted to contest... people often do hate me for my loud cough. It happens less after I explain the situation, but I still get sh*tty people who are rude even after you talk to them. I imagine lots of us do.

And the smoking thing, I know I'm b*tchy. I wasn't looking for everyone to agree with me on that one. Just making a comparison in hopes it would clarify my point some. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

sue35

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I do agree with Seana also but think it is a hard topic. If we are only sensitive to diseases that we can't control then I should not be sensitive to alcoholics, bulimics, or anything like that. I feel like bulimics are felt sorry for when they are no different than obese people, both have a food disease. And just like alcoholics I honestly don't think that some of these people can control it either
 

sue35

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I do agree with Seana also but think it is a hard topic. If we are only sensitive to diseases that we can't control then I should not be sensitive to alcoholics, bulimics, or anything like that. I feel like bulimics are felt sorry for when they are no different than obese people, both have a food disease. And just like alcoholics I honestly don't think that some of these people can control it either
 

sue35

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I do agree with Seana also but think it is a hard topic. If we are only sensitive to diseases that we can't control then I should not be sensitive to alcoholics, bulimics, or anything like that. I feel like bulimics are felt sorry for when they are no different than obese people, both have a food disease. And just like alcoholics I honestly don't think that some of these people can control it either
 

JustDucky

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This is an add on to what I wrote above....

I would say that obesity can be blamed on alot of things...yes, there are genetics involved, mental issues (some people who are severely depressed literally "stuff" their emotions, they eat when they are depressed), society...look at all of the fast food restaurants around and how they push them with media of all sorts around, not to mention how large their portion sizes have gotten over the years? (anyone ever see "Super Size Me"?), those with kids, notice how recess in school is being slowly phased away, not to mention the amount of gym? When I was a kid, we played outside everyday unless it was cold or wet and had gym three times a week. Now my kids only have gym twice a week and recess is a random thing. Same school district, different time. School lunches are another subject...won't get into that one. Not to mention all of those fancy video games out there, I actually limit my kids as to how long they can stay on them. . Socioeconomic state, hey the poorer you are, the harder it is to eat foods that are really nutritious- lets face it, ever notice how expensive produce is? Or how about lean meats? (This stat was from my nutrition class) Yes, there are medical conditions out there that do inhibit the ability to feel full, kids who suffer this disorder actually will eat everything that isn't nailed down, parents have had to resort to locking refridgerators, cabinets etc... (the name of that disorder has slipped my mind) I know there are other factors that I haven't mentioned. I know the latest stats indicate that 60% of americans are either overweight or obese. It is actually being called an epidemic. We are seeing Type II diabetes in kids now...something that wasn't seen in my generation often (again not too long ago)

I don't tend to judge an obese person, admittedly I was in that class once- between the steroids (severe munchies) and being on the depressed side because of what high dose steroids did to my body- made me moody as hell too, it was hard to control what I ate, felt hungry all of the time.Coming off of the steroids helped, but what really made me lose weight was when my pancreas failed (undiagnosed CF at the time, pancreas was still working obviously)...never lost so much weight so fast in my life! I am of normal weight for my height now. As far as a particular obese person, I don't know what events got him or her to where they are ( I know that most will say eating exessively caused the obesity and yes that is right, excessive caloric intake does increase weight if it isn't burned off, but why is this person eating the way he is? Is it a combination of things? Usually...). I don't think it is right to treat them any differently than others, although I have seen it many times over and over especially when it comes to shopping for clothes...the looks the personel give to a very obese person (Watch the movie "Fat like me" and you'll see how society looks and treats heavy folks). I have many friends who would be considered obese or overweight...heck, alot of relatives too, people I love dearly.

I admittedly would cringe if I saw someone down 5 Big macs in one sitting though along with 3 orders of fries and a large coke. 33,000 calories is really on the extreme side though, no matter what the situation is. That is alot of food to consume, can't even imagine it. I also don't condone parents just allowing their children to eat enormous portions- good eating habits start with the parents. To see a 5 year old crawling because her weight is 230 plus makes me want to cry. This child already had severe sleep apnea not to mention other serious health issues.such as asthma At 5....imagine what it will be like when she is 10, or 15? I don't remember the percentages, but by the time the year 2015 comes around, there will be alot more Type II diabetic kids around than there is now, especially if this trend continues.

I know this sounds like an essay, but this subject is near to my heart. As I stated before, I have relatives who are obese, I constantly worry about their general health. Many have high blood pressure, arthritis issues, cholesterol abnormalities, sleep apnea, diabetes...most of these disorders are associated with their wieght (now don't jump on me yet...I do know genetics can play a role in cholesterol and other issues). I know of people who have lost the needed weight and no longer have to take diabetes meds, BP meds and are just more fit in general. Most obese people don't want to be heavy, as some of you have said already. Their self esteem is usually very low and they are desperate to fit in. At least that's what a few of my kin have said to me and do sometimes resort to the extreme to lose weight- gastric bypass. Could actually write more, but you get the point....

Just my thoughts....Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

JustDucky

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This is an add on to what I wrote above....

I would say that obesity can be blamed on alot of things...yes, there are genetics involved, mental issues (some people who are severely depressed literally "stuff" their emotions, they eat when they are depressed), society...look at all of the fast food restaurants around and how they push them with media of all sorts around, not to mention how large their portion sizes have gotten over the years? (anyone ever see "Super Size Me"?), those with kids, notice how recess in school is being slowly phased away, not to mention the amount of gym? When I was a kid, we played outside everyday unless it was cold or wet and had gym three times a week. Now my kids only have gym twice a week and recess is a random thing. Same school district, different time. School lunches are another subject...won't get into that one. Not to mention all of those fancy video games out there, I actually limit my kids as to how long they can stay on them. . Socioeconomic state, hey the poorer you are, the harder it is to eat foods that are really nutritious- lets face it, ever notice how expensive produce is? Or how about lean meats? (This stat was from my nutrition class) Yes, there are medical conditions out there that do inhibit the ability to feel full, kids who suffer this disorder actually will eat everything that isn't nailed down, parents have had to resort to locking refridgerators, cabinets etc... (the name of that disorder has slipped my mind) I know there are other factors that I haven't mentioned. I know the latest stats indicate that 60% of americans are either overweight or obese. It is actually being called an epidemic. We are seeing Type II diabetes in kids now...something that wasn't seen in my generation often (again not too long ago)

I don't tend to judge an obese person, admittedly I was in that class once- between the steroids (severe munchies) and being on the depressed side because of what high dose steroids did to my body- made me moody as hell too, it was hard to control what I ate, felt hungry all of the time.Coming off of the steroids helped, but what really made me lose weight was when my pancreas failed (undiagnosed CF at the time, pancreas was still working obviously)...never lost so much weight so fast in my life! I am of normal weight for my height now. As far as a particular obese person, I don't know what events got him or her to where they are ( I know that most will say eating exessively caused the obesity and yes that is right, excessive caloric intake does increase weight if it isn't burned off, but why is this person eating the way he is? Is it a combination of things? Usually...). I don't think it is right to treat them any differently than others, although I have seen it many times over and over especially when it comes to shopping for clothes...the looks the personel give to a very obese person (Watch the movie "Fat like me" and you'll see how society looks and treats heavy folks). I have many friends who would be considered obese or overweight...heck, alot of relatives too, people I love dearly.

I admittedly would cringe if I saw someone down 5 Big macs in one sitting though along with 3 orders of fries and a large coke. 33,000 calories is really on the extreme side though, no matter what the situation is. That is alot of food to consume, can't even imagine it. I also don't condone parents just allowing their children to eat enormous portions- good eating habits start with the parents. To see a 5 year old crawling because her weight is 230 plus makes me want to cry. This child already had severe sleep apnea not to mention other serious health issues.such as asthma At 5....imagine what it will be like when she is 10, or 15? I don't remember the percentages, but by the time the year 2015 comes around, there will be alot more Type II diabetic kids around than there is now, especially if this trend continues.

I know this sounds like an essay, but this subject is near to my heart. As I stated before, I have relatives who are obese, I constantly worry about their general health. Many have high blood pressure, arthritis issues, cholesterol abnormalities, sleep apnea, diabetes...most of these disorders are associated with their wieght (now don't jump on me yet...I do know genetics can play a role in cholesterol and other issues). I know of people who have lost the needed weight and no longer have to take diabetes meds, BP meds and are just more fit in general. Most obese people don't want to be heavy, as some of you have said already. Their self esteem is usually very low and they are desperate to fit in. At least that's what a few of my kin have said to me and do sometimes resort to the extreme to lose weight- gastric bypass. Could actually write more, but you get the point....

Just my thoughts....Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

JustDucky

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This is an add on to what I wrote above....

I would say that obesity can be blamed on alot of things...yes, there are genetics involved, mental issues (some people who are severely depressed literally "stuff" their emotions, they eat when they are depressed), society...look at all of the fast food restaurants around and how they push them with media of all sorts around, not to mention how large their portion sizes have gotten over the years? (anyone ever see "Super Size Me"?), those with kids, notice how recess in school is being slowly phased away, not to mention the amount of gym? When I was a kid, we played outside everyday unless it was cold or wet and had gym three times a week. Now my kids only have gym twice a week and recess is a random thing. Same school district, different time. School lunches are another subject...won't get into that one. Not to mention all of those fancy video games out there, I actually limit my kids as to how long they can stay on them. . Socioeconomic state, hey the poorer you are, the harder it is to eat foods that are really nutritious- lets face it, ever notice how expensive produce is? Or how about lean meats? (This stat was from my nutrition class) Yes, there are medical conditions out there that do inhibit the ability to feel full, kids who suffer this disorder actually will eat everything that isn't nailed down, parents have had to resort to locking refridgerators, cabinets etc... (the name of that disorder has slipped my mind) I know there are other factors that I haven't mentioned. I know the latest stats indicate that 60% of americans are either overweight or obese. It is actually being called an epidemic. We are seeing Type II diabetes in kids now...something that wasn't seen in my generation often (again not too long ago)

I don't tend to judge an obese person, admittedly I was in that class once- between the steroids (severe munchies) and being on the depressed side because of what high dose steroids did to my body- made me moody as hell too, it was hard to control what I ate, felt hungry all of the time.Coming off of the steroids helped, but what really made me lose weight was when my pancreas failed (undiagnosed CF at the time, pancreas was still working obviously)...never lost so much weight so fast in my life! I am of normal weight for my height now. As far as a particular obese person, I don't know what events got him or her to where they are ( I know that most will say eating exessively caused the obesity and yes that is right, excessive caloric intake does increase weight if it isn't burned off, but why is this person eating the way he is? Is it a combination of things? Usually...). I don't think it is right to treat them any differently than others, although I have seen it many times over and over especially when it comes to shopping for clothes...the looks the personel give to a very obese person (Watch the movie "Fat like me" and you'll see how society looks and treats heavy folks). I have many friends who would be considered obese or overweight...heck, alot of relatives too, people I love dearly.

I admittedly would cringe if I saw someone down 5 Big macs in one sitting though along with 3 orders of fries and a large coke. 33,000 calories is really on the extreme side though, no matter what the situation is. That is alot of food to consume, can't even imagine it. I also don't condone parents just allowing their children to eat enormous portions- good eating habits start with the parents. To see a 5 year old crawling because her weight is 230 plus makes me want to cry. This child already had severe sleep apnea not to mention other serious health issues.such as asthma At 5....imagine what it will be like when she is 10, or 15? I don't remember the percentages, but by the time the year 2015 comes around, there will be alot more Type II diabetic kids around than there is now, especially if this trend continues.

I know this sounds like an essay, but this subject is near to my heart. As I stated before, I have relatives who are obese, I constantly worry about their general health. Many have high blood pressure, arthritis issues, cholesterol abnormalities, sleep apnea, diabetes...most of these disorders are associated with their wieght (now don't jump on me yet...I do know genetics can play a role in cholesterol and other issues). I know of people who have lost the needed weight and no longer have to take diabetes meds, BP meds and are just more fit in general. Most obese people don't want to be heavy, as some of you have said already. Their self esteem is usually very low and they are desperate to fit in. At least that's what a few of my kin have said to me and do sometimes resort to the extreme to lose weight- gastric bypass. Could actually write more, but you get the point....

Just my thoughts....Jenn <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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2perfectboys

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I will talke a controversial view and say that the definitions of "obsese" and "disease" are not correct. I don't think being 20-40 pounds overweight is obese, it's overweight. Waddeling with jelly rolls or semi truck spare tires is obese, maybe around 75-100 lbs overweight. And I don't think obesity is a disease. It is usually a choice.

Genetics may predispose u to some degree. The problem with CF people judging overweight people is that it is something they will probably never have to worry about, so they can't fully understand. CF can eat all kinds of fattening foods without really any negitive impact on their weight. I have a few extra pounds for medical reasons, but mainly by choice. Knee replacement has slowed my activity, but I love good food. I could lose 20 pounds in a month if I wanted to and set my mind to it. I know what healthy things to eat and what to avoid. My cholestorol, blood pressure and glucose are all perfect, if they became an issue, that would make me change my lifestyles. But for now I like my wine coolers, wings, and pizza.

Today's society is about "Me" and "I want it now" or "If it feels good do it", hence we have a world with a lot of skewed views. Many humans simply have addictive personalities, just like I have a sarcastic personality, but I don't think my genes determined this. Intelligence, upbringing and life experiences probalby has more to do with who I am. Until they can show me a gene that causes a mutation for fatness, alcoholism, homosexuality, gambling, anorexia, or whatever, I will stand my position that they are all choices. Go ahead and throw daggers, yeah I know there are some research that says these things may have genetic tendencies, but there is no undiputable facts to say they for sure are.

I do feel there is no excuse for kids to be obese. My 4 yr old that does not have CF, eats cookies, drinks the same gallon of whole milk that my CF son does, but is no where near being overweight. Because I keep them active. I don't give him a box of cookies to eat at one time, but I will give him ho hos for breakfast if he wants, they r no worse than doughnuts or sugar cereal.

Lori
 
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2perfectboys

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I will talke a controversial view and say that the definitions of "obsese" and "disease" are not correct. I don't think being 20-40 pounds overweight is obese, it's overweight. Waddeling with jelly rolls or semi truck spare tires is obese, maybe around 75-100 lbs overweight. And I don't think obesity is a disease. It is usually a choice.

Genetics may predispose u to some degree. The problem with CF people judging overweight people is that it is something they will probably never have to worry about, so they can't fully understand. CF can eat all kinds of fattening foods without really any negitive impact on their weight. I have a few extra pounds for medical reasons, but mainly by choice. Knee replacement has slowed my activity, but I love good food. I could lose 20 pounds in a month if I wanted to and set my mind to it. I know what healthy things to eat and what to avoid. My cholestorol, blood pressure and glucose are all perfect, if they became an issue, that would make me change my lifestyles. But for now I like my wine coolers, wings, and pizza.

Today's society is about "Me" and "I want it now" or "If it feels good do it", hence we have a world with a lot of skewed views. Many humans simply have addictive personalities, just like I have a sarcastic personality, but I don't think my genes determined this. Intelligence, upbringing and life experiences probalby has more to do with who I am. Until they can show me a gene that causes a mutation for fatness, alcoholism, homosexuality, gambling, anorexia, or whatever, I will stand my position that they are all choices. Go ahead and throw daggers, yeah I know there are some research that says these things may have genetic tendencies, but there is no undiputable facts to say they for sure are.

I do feel there is no excuse for kids to be obese. My 4 yr old that does not have CF, eats cookies, drinks the same gallon of whole milk that my CF son does, but is no where near being overweight. Because I keep them active. I don't give him a box of cookies to eat at one time, but I will give him ho hos for breakfast if he wants, they r no worse than doughnuts or sugar cereal.

Lori
 
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I will talke a controversial view and say that the definitions of "obsese" and "disease" are not correct. I don't think being 20-40 pounds overweight is obese, it's overweight. Waddeling with jelly rolls or semi truck spare tires is obese, maybe around 75-100 lbs overweight. And I don't think obesity is a disease. It is usually a choice.

Genetics may predispose u to some degree. The problem with CF people judging overweight people is that it is something they will probably never have to worry about, so they can't fully understand. CF can eat all kinds of fattening foods without really any negitive impact on their weight. I have a few extra pounds for medical reasons, but mainly by choice. Knee replacement has slowed my activity, but I love good food. I could lose 20 pounds in a month if I wanted to and set my mind to it. I know what healthy things to eat and what to avoid. My cholestorol, blood pressure and glucose are all perfect, if they became an issue, that would make me change my lifestyles. But for now I like my wine coolers, wings, and pizza.

Today's society is about "Me" and "I want it now" or "If it feels good do it", hence we have a world with a lot of skewed views. Many humans simply have addictive personalities, just like I have a sarcastic personality, but I don't think my genes determined this. Intelligence, upbringing and life experiences probalby has more to do with who I am. Until they can show me a gene that causes a mutation for fatness, alcoholism, homosexuality, gambling, anorexia, or whatever, I will stand my position that they are all choices. Go ahead and throw daggers, yeah I know there are some research that says these things may have genetic tendencies, but there is no undiputable facts to say they for sure are.

I do feel there is no excuse for kids to be obese. My 4 yr old that does not have CF, eats cookies, drinks the same gallon of whole milk that my CF son does, but is no where near being overweight. Because I keep them active. I don't give him a box of cookies to eat at one time, but I will give him ho hos for breakfast if he wants, they r no worse than doughnuts or sugar cereal.

Lori
 
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