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Surprisingly enough 'christmas' does not just share it's roots with Christ's birth. Saturnalia, Natalis Solis Invicti, and Yule were all celebrated during the winter months usually surrounding the winter solstice (the Romans celebrated this day on December 25 due to calendar changes this date is different nowadays) Though usually they were in fact celebrating some god or many gods ironically enough at the same time. The Natalis Solis Invicti (Sol Invictus) allowed several solar deities to be worshipped at the same time. (Elah-Gabal, Syrian) (Sol, Roman) (Mithras, Persian), anyway the main theme was the sun (sol). Winter solstice = shortest daylight hours. They celebrated the fact that the sun was still all powerful remaining in the sky even though night was trying to reclaim it. Anyway catholics made the connection between the birth of christ and the rising sun "O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born." Anyway around 354 did you know that Christians celebrated the birth of Christ on January 6th (Epiphany I think). So christmas wasn't actually 'christ'mas originally anyway. It was a day that sun gods were celebrated. And speaking of Romans did you know that Dionysus (sometimes seen as a deity that represents life and death) is shown holding a coniferous tree which itself has sometimes been represented as a celebration of the renewal of life.

Anyway I go with 'merry freaking everything' when I think of christmas.
 
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Surprisingly enough 'christmas' does not just share it's roots with Christ's birth. Saturnalia, Natalis Solis Invicti, and Yule were all celebrated during the winter months usually surrounding the winter solstice (the Romans celebrated this day on December 25 due to calendar changes this date is different nowadays) Though usually they were in fact celebrating some god or many gods ironically enough at the same time. The Natalis Solis Invicti (Sol Invictus) allowed several solar deities to be worshipped at the same time. (Elah-Gabal, Syrian) (Sol, Roman) (Mithras, Persian), anyway the main theme was the sun (sol). Winter solstice = shortest daylight hours. They celebrated the fact that the sun was still all powerful remaining in the sky even though night was trying to reclaim it. Anyway catholics made the connection between the birth of christ and the rising sun "O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born." Anyway around 354 did you know that Christians celebrated the birth of Christ on January 6th (Epiphany I think). So christmas wasn't actually 'christ'mas originally anyway. It was a day that sun gods were celebrated. And speaking of Romans did you know that Dionysus (sometimes seen as a deity that represents life and death) is shown holding a coniferous tree which itself has sometimes been represented as a celebration of the renewal of life.

Anyway I go with 'merry freaking everything' when I think of christmas.
 
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luke

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Candice,

Hey I liked the version of christmas I learned better...your grade school must have had a crappy christmas play!!!! You always come up with the "real" explainations, Do you have all of this information locked up in your head or did you have to look it up?
 
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luke

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Candice,

Hey I liked the version of christmas I learned better...your grade school must have had a crappy christmas play!!!! You always come up with the "real" explainations, Do you have all of this information locked up in your head or did you have to look it up?
 
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luke

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Candice,

Hey I liked the version of christmas I learned better...your grade school must have had a crappy christmas play!!!! You always come up with the "real" explainations, Do you have all of this information locked up in your head or did you have to look it up?
 
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welshgirl

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in the uk christians are treated very badly by wishy washy liberals in the media and the BBC . if you want a traditional CHRISTmas card you will have to go a long way to find one . everybody is so intent on NOT offending muslims that christians are are treated like second class citizens. we don't have traditional nativity plays in school and christmas dinners are halal!!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
 
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welshgirl

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in the uk christians are treated very badly by wishy washy liberals in the media and the BBC . if you want a traditional CHRISTmas card you will have to go a long way to find one . everybody is so intent on NOT offending muslims that christians are are treated like second class citizens. we don't have traditional nativity plays in school and christmas dinners are halal!!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
 
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welshgirl

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in the uk christians are treated very badly by wishy washy liberals in the media and the BBC . if you want a traditional CHRISTmas card you will have to go a long way to find one . everybody is so intent on NOT offending muslims that christians are are treated like second class citizens. we don't have traditional nativity plays in school and christmas dinners are halal!!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
 
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I'm a history major so it would make sense that I've at least touched on this subject once. I've actually considered going for my masters in history concentrating on mythology / religion, it's a fascinating subject. As for "did I have the information locked up in my head", I've read books dealing with mythology and religion, though granted I've not read so much that's dealt with Christian religion a lot of books touch on the roman/greek/pagan/etc influences on Christianity.

It's not that hard to remember those things especially since the sun has played a huge part in religion (think egypt) Examples being: Remember king tut? He was popular because his parents (or at least assuming those were his parents) had tried to change Egyptian deities from polytheism to monotheism (worshiping the sun, Aten) and he changed it back which pleased the people and possibly caused his death (if he was in fact murdered last I heard there was research indicating that he'd died of an infection).

"Hey I liked the version of christmas I learned better...your grade school must have had a crappy christmas play!!!! " Or I could just really like the stuff I've learned." Though you make it sound like I've obviously got the "right" answer. I don't. History is changing depending on our present and the tools we have available to investigate the past. So what I have written might be historically right and accurate from a non-professionals point of view, or it could not, right now but new research could uncover something that would make all of that obsolete. Naturally I did have to look up the catholic quote <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm.">http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm.</a> and I was a little fuzzy on Elah-Gabal so I had to look that up again to make sure he was in fact who I thought he was, but as I said before I've considered mastering in this so it's not something new for me.
 
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IG

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I'm a history major so it would make sense that I've at least touched on this subject once. I've actually considered going for my masters in history concentrating on mythology / religion, it's a fascinating subject. As for "did I have the information locked up in my head", I've read books dealing with mythology and religion, though granted I've not read so much that's dealt with Christian religion a lot of books touch on the roman/greek/pagan/etc influences on Christianity.

It's not that hard to remember those things especially since the sun has played a huge part in religion (think egypt) Examples being: Remember king tut? He was popular because his parents (or at least assuming those were his parents) had tried to change Egyptian deities from polytheism to monotheism (worshiping the sun, Aten) and he changed it back which pleased the people and possibly caused his death (if he was in fact murdered last I heard there was research indicating that he'd died of an infection).

"Hey I liked the version of christmas I learned better...your grade school must have had a crappy christmas play!!!! " Or I could just really like the stuff I've learned." Though you make it sound like I've obviously got the "right" answer. I don't. History is changing depending on our present and the tools we have available to investigate the past. So what I have written might be historically right and accurate from a non-professionals point of view, or it could not, right now but new research could uncover something that would make all of that obsolete. Naturally I did have to look up the catholic quote <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm.">http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm.</a> and I was a little fuzzy on Elah-Gabal so I had to look that up again to make sure he was in fact who I thought he was, but as I said before I've considered mastering in this so it's not something new for me.
 
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IG

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I'm a history major so it would make sense that I've at least touched on this subject once. I've actually considered going for my masters in history concentrating on mythology / religion, it's a fascinating subject. As for "did I have the information locked up in my head", I've read books dealing with mythology and religion, though granted I've not read so much that's dealt with Christian religion a lot of books touch on the roman/greek/pagan/etc influences on Christianity.

It's not that hard to remember those things especially since the sun has played a huge part in religion (think egypt) Examples being: Remember king tut? He was popular because his parents (or at least assuming those were his parents) had tried to change Egyptian deities from polytheism to monotheism (worshiping the sun, Aten) and he changed it back which pleased the people and possibly caused his death (if he was in fact murdered last I heard there was research indicating that he'd died of an infection).

"Hey I liked the version of christmas I learned better...your grade school must have had a crappy christmas play!!!! " Or I could just really like the stuff I've learned." Though you make it sound like I've obviously got the "right" answer. I don't. History is changing depending on our present and the tools we have available to investigate the past. So what I have written might be historically right and accurate from a non-professionals point of view, or it could not, right now but new research could uncover something that would make all of that obsolete. Naturally I did have to look up the catholic quote <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm.">http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm.</a> and I was a little fuzzy on Elah-Gabal so I had to look that up again to make sure he was in fact who I thought he was, but as I said before I've considered mastering in this so it's not something new for me.
 
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luke

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I guess that is why I got my graduate degree is business and not history...I agree though, a very interesting subject. I will keep you in mind if I ever need a phone-a-friend about christmas facts.

If you ever need anyone to balance your check book maybe I can help?
 
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luke

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I guess that is why I got my graduate degree is business and not history...I agree though, a very interesting subject. I will keep you in mind if I ever need a phone-a-friend about christmas facts.

If you ever need anyone to balance your check book maybe I can help?
 
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luke

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I guess that is why I got my graduate degree is business and not history...I agree though, a very interesting subject. I will keep you in mind if I ever need a phone-a-friend about christmas facts.

If you ever need anyone to balance your check book maybe I can help?
 
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ChaserBug

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This country was founded on the right of freedom of religion, this is the ability to practice your religious beliefs without persecution and since this country was founded by Christians and allowed people of other faiths to practice their religion within the nation we founded doesn't mean they get to dictate how we the founders get to celebrate what it is we did for them. Being from Texas its called squatters rights.
 
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ChaserBug

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This country was founded on the right of freedom of religion, this is the ability to practice your religious beliefs without persecution and since this country was founded by Christians and allowed people of other faiths to practice their religion within the nation we founded doesn't mean they get to dictate how we the founders get to celebrate what it is we did for them. Being from Texas its called squatters rights.
 
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ChaserBug

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This country was founded on the right of freedom of religion, this is the ability to practice your religious beliefs without persecution and since this country was founded by Christians and allowed people of other faiths to practice their religion within the nation we founded doesn't mean they get to dictate how we the founders get to celebrate what it is we did for them. Being from Texas its called squatters rights.
 
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Momtana

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thank you, Candice, for the helpful information. it seems that so many religious traditions, over which wars are waged, have common origins. I think that your potential area of study is really interesting.
 
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Momtana

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thank you, Candice, for the helpful information. it seems that so many religious traditions, over which wars are waged, have common origins. I think that your potential area of study is really interesting.
 
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Momtana

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thank you, Candice, for the helpful information. it seems that so many religious traditions, over which wars are waged, have common origins. I think that your potential area of study is really interesting.
 
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