Jennifer, I OWE YOU A HUGE APOLOGY. In the moment when I was typing that last post, I grouped everyone from that site into one pile. You did profusely thank me, and I do remember talking to you about getting your user name fixed for this site.... I am very very sorry that I made that general statement, when you are right, you did tell me how much you appreciated it. YOu have also "had my back" on that other CF2 site a few times (not in a bad way, but just stated that I recommended something, or I helped you, or "ask julie" sort of thing). I am very sorry that I grouped you in and I hope you can forgive me for that. I would be insulted if someone did to me, what I did to you so I hope that you can forgive it.
<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>I don't believe insurance should pay for fertility treatments. But, I don't have a say, so fertility is paid for and people make money by scamming the system. But I also know there are people who need the help and deserve the help. <hr></blockquote> Sure you have a say, lobby for it just like I lobby for coverage. and even though I am one who is awaiting a fertility treatment (NOT paid for by insurance), I sure wish insurance would pay for it. I also have to agree that mother nature may have intended males with CF to be infertile to stop this CF cycle. It is very possible and probably very likely. Does that change me wanting a baby with my husband-NO. Is there a 100% guarantee that our child will not have CF, or some form of the CF mutation??? Absolutely, there are NO certainties in life, bur as far as I have been tested, our child should not have CF. I know the risks and they aren't very high for our particular situation, but I have still researched them. I agree with your and KC's statement though.
Steve, I somewhat believe what you posted about religion and such. I grew up a very religious person and in all honesty, I am really on the fence now with what I believe and don't believe (there are so many different versions of things that happened, didn't happen...) but I still believe in God. Some others do, some others don't. I didn't really think about the "mother nature" thing in depth like you stated it (If we believe that God kept his promise, then we accept the disaster as nothing more than that, a terrible disaster. If we accept that god broke his promise, then this is the wrong forum for this discussion), I was just thinking about it more in the sense of, "I believe everything happens for a reason". And I still believe that it happened for a reason, whatever that reason is is probably individual to me-not to many others seem to share my opinion, but it remains the same despite that fact.
<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>no offense Julie but didn't you just slightly bash anon. him/her by just saying that they have a 'warped sense of the word'???, and addressing them in the first place? it seems like you want to talk everything to death, i mean come on this is an internet forum WHO CARES. someone was just trying to settle this place down a little.... xt<hr></blockquote> What anon. are you talking about?? If it is someone on this site, I believe I do recall stating that I believe they had a warped sense of the world to post what they did. Again, it's just my opinion. Maybe I do want to talk everything to death, I started this thread didn't I? TO TALK, RIGHT? So if you don't like it, don't read and don't post on this topic. Nobody is forcing you to, but please don't come complaining about what is being said within this thread. Don't like=don't read, don't like=don't post.
VERY SIMPLE.
<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>hey just a thought- maybe god was cleaning up the 500 + unproductive ppl with CF....sure glad i'm in new york. <hr></blockquote> Just as long as these words don't get put in my mouth. That isn't really a nice thing to say, but I believe you are being scarcastic. Most CFers I have met are the MOST productive people under the circumstances with which they live (meds, treatments, hospitalizations, complications, transplants....). I already clairified what I meant when I said unproductive, and it was clearly NOT refering to anyone with CF or anone who has a medical problem and can not work (or otherwise) because of a medical reason. There are things in life out of our control.
<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>about the unproductive people...our country doesn't do much to help them become productive, does it?. it may be better for them to keep receiving government help and not work than to work 80 hours a week and end up with less money than if they didn't work. poverty is a viscious cycle, just like drug abuse, physical/mental abuse, etc. <hr></blockquote> OUr country does a lot to help them become productive. It's abuse of the system that keeps the problems going. It's the fact that people have more luxuries in prision than most people have in their homes. My husband can't get a free education, I can't get a free education, Most people can't get a free education, but those in prision can. And repeat offenders, I won't even go there. Death row, why do we have 20 year waits on death row? It seems like a gross misuse of money to me. Some may argue that's playing God, fine, believe that. I believe in an eye for an eye sort of thing. I have done wrong in my life, and I don't think I have been punished to the fullest every time. I think I have gotten away with a lot, and then sometimes I think I have paid for more than I deserved. I think that things might be a little bit better if we were to be consistent with punishments. I believe that's where about 80% of the problem lies. People are given a slap on the hand and turned back into the streets, to make the same gross error again, get the same slap on the wrist and are let go again. These were the thoughts I was having in my head when I posted what I did on the other CF site. People use and abuse the system, get welfare, food stamps, free medical- because they keep having kids, because they can't hold a job, because they are too addicted to drugs to work, because they are too lazy to work..... the list goes on. And it leaves less resources for those who truely need it, like children with CF whos families are barely making it due to the costs of meds (most people on this site have been there) adults with CF who are trying to go to school or who can't work enough to make ends meet, or families where childre/adults have CP, or spina bifida or other problems. There are many people who really NEED the assistance but can't get it.
I'll stop there, I am very passionate about quite a few issues in case anybody hasn't noticed.....
