CF and Marijuana

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ImmortalGoddezz</b></i>

...I can just imagine the DEA getting ahold of a thread like this.

In comparison to you guys I feel so.. clean.

Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

/only drugs I get are legal.

//h*lla good ones too.</end quote></div>

Heh and what would the DEA do? They have much bigger fish to fry than think about a handful of terminal lungers discussing mostly past pot use. I talk about how I want to kill people due to their self absorped aholeness all the time, haven't seen any feds show up yet <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

catboogie

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when i used to smoke pot i always thought it would be better if i
could get into eating it.  the problem is, eating it is just
not as much fun!  alas, i smoked for way longer than i should
have.  and i do believe that it was bad for me b/c i would get
home and just pass out -- have no motivation to do treatments while
any high effect made me feel like i didn't need treatments as much
(until the next morning that is.)<br>
<br>
there are still times when i am feeling healthy and wouldn't mind
smoking a little.  but i do not miss it.  and any desire
is curbed by the fear of getting aspergillus from pot!<br>
<br>
laura
 

thelizardqueen

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You can pretty much get Aspergillus from anywhere. Its all around you - its a mold. You can't get it just from pot, and it is treatable at the very least. While I agree that pot isn't the greatest thing for our lungs, if anything brownies would be the way for us as CFer's to go. Besides, brownies = weight.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

anyone do any other drugs? or have tried any?

i have not signed in this is smoothdave</end quote></div>

fortaz, dude that stuff is the best.
 

anonymous

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Okay so does anyone know about pot use after transplant. I am obviously talking about eating brownies since I would NEVER put any sort of smoke into my new lungs. But i mean we all need to let loose every now and then and since drinking more than one drink is out of the question i'm looking for some alternatives for a little buzz. The recipes are helpful. I'm almost tempted to just ask my doctor if eating brownies is okay for me to do. I guess i'm just worried about drug interactions and have been hesitant to try anything. Any advice/ideas?
 

thelizardqueen

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I at one point talked to my doctors about pot use and CF, and this I don't think applys to transplant patients (you'd have to consult your doctor), but my doctor had no worries about me eating pot brownies. The pot would go through your digestive track (obviously), but I'm not sure where else it would effect you. I know that it in no way would affect your lungs in anyway what so ever, as my doctor said that eating pot brownies would be fine for a CFer.
 

Allie

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The really funny thing is, you're not far off, it's tucked right into Ry's home cookbook he made. It's actually tucked between chicken matzo ball soup and marijuana chocolate truffles, if you're curious lol.
 

Allie

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Well, Ry loved to cook, was a bit of an epicurean, and apparently brownies weren't cutting it for him anymore. He had made candy before, and just figured out how to add pot.

Truffles a la Ry

4 Tablespoons melted marijuana butter
4 oz. bittersweet chocolate, broken into small pieces
4 oz. milk chocolate, broken into small pieces
4 Tablespoons of Grand Marnier or flavored liquer of choice
4 egg yolks
1 1/4 cup confectioner's sugar
2 teaspoons. orange extract

Heat butter in a small saucepan until very hot and bubbly (be careful not to let it burn). Remove from heat and add the chocolate. Stir constantly until smooth and melted. Set aside.

In a large bowl, beat egg yolks until foamy. Beat in the sugar gradually, add extract and liquer and continue to beat until thick. With mixer on slow to medium speed, gradually beat in the melted chocolate mixture. Beat until smooth and well mixed. Cover with plastic wrap and refrigerate for at least thirty minutes or until firm.

Place your choice of coating in a bowl. If you're going to have more than one, use separate bowls. (cocoa powder, nuts, mint, oreo cookie crumbs) Scoop out a teaspoon full of the truffle mixture and, using your fingers, roll it into a ball. Work quickly as the heat of your hand will quickly start melting the chocolate. Drop ball in the coating bowl. Repeat the process until there are 4 or 5 balls in the coating bowl. Gently roll the truffles in the coating mixture and a sheet of waxed paper.

Wrap truffles in an air tight container and store in the refrigerator for up to ten days or in the freezer for up to a month.


it makes about 30, and they taste really good.
 

Scarlett81

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OK ok ok,
listen- I'm NOT judging ANYONE! I don't care what yall do, you're adults, if you're healthy, more power to you.
But does anyone else have a problem with sharing illegal drug recipes on here??

I've refrained from posting the past day b/c obviously I have nothing positive to say, and this is a pro-pot thread. But- I'm sorry, I just think this is getting out of hand. I'm not a "report to moderator" person, so don't get up in arms. I just think this is out of hand here.
There are kids that look at these forums. Teenagers. Is it ok to promote this?

Whatever, I'll shut up. I just think this topic should stop. There's alot of underage people that visit here. And if I saw my teenager reading some things here, I might make them turn the computer off.

Sorry, I don't want to be a debbie-downer, or single anyone out.
 

Emily65Roses

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My view is very simple... if they're going to do it, they're going to do it no matter what the options. Figure we might as well make eating it an option, because that's better than smoking it.
 

wanderlost

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heeeeeyyyyyy

last time I remember a post like this coming up, everybody freaked out about NO SMOKING, so this was a nice read...I used to be a daily poke smotter - for about 10 years or so actually. I started dabbling in high school and then in college I really "took off," I was into the whole hippie follow the Dead thing. I do think it affected my PFTs adversely though, as they have declined in the past few years, and besides age, I don't have much else to attribute it to. I have never asked my Dr. about this as I figured his response would be not to. I have heard about the relaxing effects of THC on the bronchial tubes, but that doesn't happen to me, I actaully cough more (which is good, I suppose). I still dabble every now and then, and I still can't quite enjoy a movie the same way without being stoned, but I'm too busy to really do it like I did.

oh, and I have eaten pot brownies (and a pot omlette once) and have found that it is far better for the lungs, but I prefer the buzz of smoking it. If smoking were not a possibility (which it probably shouldn't be) I would still eat the food or drink the tea.


To the peron who asked about other drugs -Smoothdave, I think , - I can only answer that in an anonymous post <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

OK ok ok,

listen- I'm NOT judging ANYONE! I don't care what yall do, you're adults, if you're healthy, more power to you.

But does anyone else have a problem with sharing illegal drug recipes on here??



I've refrained from posting the past day b/c obviously I have nothing positive to say, and this is a pro-pot thread. But- I'm sorry, I just think this is getting out of hand. I'm not a "report to moderator" person, so don't get up in arms. I just think this is out of hand here.

There are kids that look at these forums. Teenagers. Is it ok to promote this?



Whatever, I'll shut up. I just think this topic should stop. There's alot of underage people that visit here. And if I saw my teenager reading some things here, I might make them turn the computer off.



Sorry, I don't want to be a debbie-downer, or single anyone out.</end quote></div>


You are right about kids reading this, but I think that they can find the same kind of information anywhere on the web, and I think this thread is more of a "I tried it and here is what my expereince was" thread rather than a "go smoke pot" thread. Surely many kids will try marijuana without reading this, at least if they are here reading this they can see that the opinions on the subject matter vary greatly and that not everyone is pro-pot or enjoyed it or what not.
 

thelizardqueen

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Scarlett81</b></i>

But does anyone else have a problem with sharing illegal drug recipes on here??


There are kids that look at these forums. Teenagers. Is it ok to promote this?



Whatever, I'll shut up. I just think this topic should stop. There's alot of underage people that visit here. And if I saw my teenager reading some things here, I might make them turn the computer off.



Sorry, I don't want to be a debbie-downer, or single anyone out.</end quote></div>

The way I look at it, is everyone is going to do it regardless of whether you say its a good thing to do or not. Better for someone to come across this and try alternatives to smoking, then damage their lungs. Like SeanDavis said - everyone has their own vices.

Let me ask this (no one in particular Christian, just a general question to everyone out there): what exactly is wrong with pot - other then the obvious fact that its illegal? Drinking causes more damage then dabbling in pot. I'm really surprised that pot hasn't become legal yet. Why don't people talk down to drinking? Drinking causes people to become stupid, drinking causes more damage then pot does. Nobody knows for sure what pot does to their systems, but drinking has been proven to ruin your liver, kidneys, stomach lining, intestinal tract, etc. I could go on and on about the ills of drinking, but pot - what, it irritates your lungs if you smoke it, but what does it do to your organs when you digest it? Nothing that I can think of.

As for underage people being on here and teenagers reading this stuff - all I can say is that they hear about it at school, they hear about it from their friends, they even do it themselves. Better to be educated about it I say. Besides, should underage kids be in the adult section anyway? That's what internet parental blocks are for.
 

miesl

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Really, this is the adults forum - we should be able to discuss adult problems. It's not our issue to police the teens on this forum or anywhere else for that matter. In the end, anyone can google 'pot brownie' which turns up almost 2 million hits.

If nothing else, Emily is right. The overwhelming opinion here is - don't smoke it, eat it. That is something you are only going to find here on a site for CF patients. If this thread convinces one CF person that smoking a joint isn't the greatest plan ever - it's a good thing. Plus, whoo hoo for extra calorie, munchie inducing brownies!
 

katyf13

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! But I won't bore you with my opinions on this subject. Maybe I'll blog about it ;-)
(pot=bleh)
 

thelizardqueen

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Not everyone is going to agree with this topic. That's the whole point of a forum - to have a difference of opinion, and hear others points of view. Miesl is right - this is an adult section, so we should be able to talk like adults about adult topics. I'd hate to see an adult section that doesn't allow us to talk about adult things.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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I did a little research on marijuana and I wonder if all the people here who seem to think consuming drugs is normal have ever done so...

Cancer
It's hard to know for sure whether regular marijuana use causes cancer. But it is known that marijuana contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day (15) .


Lungs and airways
People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.


Immune system
Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.

Some studies show that when people have smoked large amounts of marijuana for years, the drug takes its toll on mental functions (4). Heavy or daily use of marijuana affects the parts of the brain that control memory, attention, and learning. A working short-term memory is needed to learn and perform tasks that call for more than one or two steps.

Smoking marijuana causes some changes in the brain that are like those caused by cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. Scientists are still learning about the many ways that marijuana can affect the brain.

One study has indicated that a user's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana(8). The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana's effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers(9). Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways(10). Smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and the more marijuana smoked the greater the increase(11). A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

Marijuana use also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens(12, 13). In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke(14). It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form - levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells(15). Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may increase the risk of cancer more than smoking tobacco.
Some of marijuana's adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system's ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited(16). In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors(17, 18).

Marijuana may also increase your risk for certain infections, including herpes and a variety of other bacterial, viral and fungal infections.

In particular, a fungus sometimes found in marijuana called aspergillus is thought to be the cause of possible infections.

Recent studies suggest that smoking marijuana may also decrease the ability of cells in the lung to destroy candida and bacteria.

Studies in animals and humans show that marijuana may further lower the levels of hormones, including testosterone.


Uli,43,Germany
 
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