Cf and religion

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IG

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I consider myself a Deist.

Deism involves the belief in the existence of God, on purely rational grounds, without any reliance on revealed religion or religious authority.

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism">Wikipedia article on Deism</a>
 

anonymous

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"If you tell me you already understand, I feel a little pessimistic. If you say you do not understand, I feel more optimistic." Thic Nhat Hanh
 

Purplelungs

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Faith gives people hope. Whether you want to admit it or not everyone has some sort of faith. You have faith you will wake up, you have faith your car will work, sure maybe its all logical and can be explained by science...but still you just know things will work and happen, sometimes you dont so you have faith it will work out good, at least somewhat good.

I believe in God. i have a strong faith in God. Its not an easy way out...if it were everyone that believed in God, or some religion, would be happy go lucky and ignore everything that goes wrong. Its acutally hard sometimes saying your a Christian because if you mess up one time, someone will look at you and say "well i thought you were a christian" just cus some people believe in God doesnt make them automatically perfect. Sure some organized religion goes wrong or astray....mainly because some people use religion to say they are right, and we see all the wrong that goes with religion because thats what people (media) want us to see. Alot of religous groups do great things...such as giving aide, helping homeless, just general aide of any kind to those that need it. You dont hear to much of that, just the bad stuff....like we hear mainly the bad things that activists do (such as riots violence) even though activists do alot of good things. There are always good and bad to every group/thing, the extreme sides of everything.
 

anonymous

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Why claim their is a God who set everything into motion and then claim this god doesn't have any power over it afterwards? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me?
 

anonymous

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Aimeesue82: Please don't look for a connection with God on this website. Emily will surely throw in a negative response to anything that a true believer could enhance your life with. Since you have looked over the topics and read earlier chat you have noticed how pessimestic Emily is about a lot of things. Her outcome in this life for one considering her disease. She could do wonderful things and enjoy her life while she has it if she really wanted to. For one thing she could faithfully do her treatments but doesn't (something she has already shared with us). I have read lots that Emily has to offer here and wonder if things could have been a little different for Emily if she had had the Lord shared with her when she was younger. A chance to learn the limits that God tried to express to us through the Bible. Limits including but not limited to abstinence. Emily if you are reading, I really do feel bad for the situation you endured (something you shared much earlier this year) however; somethings need to be kept discrete for your own good. When I read over this site I come to realize if you didn't have CF you would have a hard time gaining the attention you require.

Sorry about the detour; Back to your concerns Aimeesue82: Why did this happen to you? Scientifically it happened to you because of your parents being carriers. Now you can use the situation you have been dealt to do good for yourself and others or you can dwell too much about "why". Don't waste your time on "whys" spend your time on "what can I do now" What can you do Aimeesue82? A relationship with God is a great thing but don't look for the answers here from many very young people that haven't figured out life themselves. By the way Deism is not worth looking into.
 

Emily65Roses

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lol. Hehehe. I love personal attacks. They're so great. And even better, a personal attack from someone who doesn't have the balls to leave their name. You know nothing about me, I would like to let you know. I am doing wonderful things, and I am enjoying my life, thank you much. I don't remember ever telling you that I don't faithfully do my treatments. I am not 100% with my enzymes, but my problem is more lung-related, and I am careful about my Pulmo. I skip every once and a while (maybe once a month), but it's not that often, and it is to be expected. No one can be 100% or perfect 100% of the time. I'm wondering what it is you're referring to with...
"Emily if you are reading, I really do feel bad for the situation you endured (something you shared much earlier this year) however; somethings need to be kept discrete for your own good."
Just a tad curious. If you mean my inability to have kids, then that's all good and well. Why should I be keeping it discrete? So that small-minded people like yourself don't attack me about it? I really don't care. The benefits of sharing (asking questions, sharing concerns and ideas) far outweighs the possible downfalls.

One more thing, the "lord" was shared with me when I was younger. I just chose not to follow it, for my own reasons. I don't disrespect your right to believe in god, so don't disrespect my right NOT to. Also don't make any comments that could even possibly be construed as negative about my mother (or father) and the way they raised me. My parents both, and especially my mother, did an EXCELLENT job raising me. And I'm not the only one to have said that. At least I have the courage of my convictions to leave my name with whatever posts I write. One more thing, if this:
"Limits including but not limited to abstinence."
is meant to be a stab at me as well, I don't see what the point is? Not everyone is going to be abstinent, and the choice to be with Mike in that manner is one I made after careful consideration. It's also one I do not regret. The fact that I have made comments about it, I suppose, has made it, in some shape or form <i>something</i> like your business. But I have to ask, does it affect you in any way that I sleep with Mike? No? That's what I thought. So why do you care?

I don't wish to argue these points, because they're pretty useless, but just to make the comment. I am not pessismistic, I am realistic. And I don't crave attention. I'm here to help others (and socialize with those who can understand me), which is something you quite clearly (from that post, at least) cannot say about yourself.

And one more thing... you are extremely narrow-minded, and I hate when people are like that. Regardless of the personal attacks on me, because really I couldn't care much less... Who in the world are you to say that Deism isn't worth looking into? Candice has every right to have that belief, no matter what it is, without you criticising, saying it's not "worth it." If it's worth it to her, then it's worth it. I could very well say that Christianity or Catholicism isn't worth looking into, just because I don't personally believe in it. BUT I DON'T. If you choose to, and it works for you, then good for you. But I would never tell another person their religion isn't worth looking into.
 

Purplelungs

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See things like that is why people dont like Christianity or any organized religion. We as Christians are supposed to love everyone no matter their flaws, i mean come on Christians have flaws. Candice is my friend. I dont care if she is a Diest, she doesnt care if I am a Christian...we are still friends, it doenst hurt our friendship that we believe differently. Just like Emily has said before, again and again, if we were all the same it would be boring, differences are interesting (not excat quote but close (right?). I will not go into what I believe. I just know I cant push someone into what I believe, for one its wrong, for another it wont do any good, it just pushes people away (from anything, especially friendships). I know anon poster that people here arent perfect, including myself. Just because someone grows up with God or not doesnt mean they turn out any particular way. Thats all I will say.

I apologize for getting off topic. If my post makes trouble please delete it.
 

Emily65Roses

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Yeah, that's pretty much the quote. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

cfgirl38

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I personally don't agree with what some people do or don't believe in but I think Em is a strong, kind person. I don't know her only from the site but I know where she stands on topics. She's not wishy-washy. and yes I have had my disagreements with her and it was known at the time. But we said it got it over with and went on. I do beleive in God but don't go to church to do so. But that has nothing to do with the way others feel about the subject. If Emily doesn't beleive it doesn't make any difference to me. We're still friends. If your going to condemn someone for not practicing abstinence, I can bet you'd be condemning most of us. Since most of us are 20-40. But I don't believe you have that right to judge on why we make them decisions. I cant believe you would have the indecency to say such judgemental things. Sometimes when people leave these annonymous post it really makes me think it's someone that talks nice with their sign on name to you on other post then when they have something to say that could be incrimainating they dont sign. I always sign my name as everyone knows who it's from adn where I stand. Emily has helped alot of people on here. If she was doing it to be center of attention she would be responding to every posts.
 
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IG

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Hahaha, Thanks Emily and Amanda for that. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
Actually I just completely read over that part of the post ::shrugs:: it doesn't matter to me what they think about my religion as long as I am happy with it.
I'm in a good place spiritually, yes spiritually. I do believe in god, though I don't think he takes an active roll in our life. But that's just my opinion. I am open to others beliefs, and I try (although sometimes this is hard) to keep an open mind before making judgements against other people. Sometimes those other people just aren't worth my time. If you want to question my religion go ahead, but perhaps you should look into it before you go bashing it. Several notable people were deists. Aristotle, Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson to name a few. These people have helped to shape our society, so maybe, just maybe it's not something to go bash, without having a valid reason or excuses as to why you shouldn't look into it. Now I'm not saying that you have to agree with me on my religion, but don't blow it off saying that it's not worth the time to look into.
 

NoDayButToday

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To the poster who attacked Emily-- at least have the conviction enough to stand behind what you said with a anme,. Emily and I are good friends and she is kind, witty and most definitely doing something with her life, she's going to school in an intensive ASL program to be an interpreter. She's good hearted and caring, despite the fact you consider her a sinner for *GASP* not practicing abstinence. What bothered me most about your post though, aside from your rather maniacal attack on one person here was the fact it seems that you believe Christian=good person and non-believer= bad person. It isn't so cut and dry. There are plenty of Christians who do horrific things (sometimes in the name of God himself)-- the BTK killer was a churchgoing man. There are also plenty of nonbelievers who do good things too-- this is on a smaller scale but, a boy in my school who is a punk-type proclaimed atheist recently organized a rock show to raise money for tsunami relief. I guess my point is your narrow minded view of faith in a God as a measure of character is slightly off.
 

anonymous

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For the nameless person who feels the need to attack Emily, why don't you have the balls to state your name after you attempt (and do a poor job at it I might add) to tear her down. If you would have opened your eyes and read earlier in this very post, you would see that Emily actually stated her opinion and didn't make any inappropriate comments-I would say your post is more offensive than hers. And dont think that just because you are anonymous and don't sign your name, that the administrators can't find you and ban you. As a matter of fact, I am going to report your rudeness and inappropriateness as soon as I finish this post. Hopefully you will find yourself and your downright negative attituede off this board. Now, I don't always agree with people on this board, and Emily and I have had our disagreements but I have the guts to tell her TO HER FACE if I have a problem, not talk behind her back. You are no better than my 4 year old nephew, last time I talked behind someones back I was in elementary. Grow up you self loathing, gutless, and very sad sad person.


Julie (wife to Mark 24 w/CF)
 

anonymous

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AimeeSue, Are you regretting raising this controversial subject? To the person who posted at 5.12pm. [Sunday], I think your reply was scathing and unnecessary against Emily. WE have to learn to respect each others opinions without the need to vent ill-feeling. Emily has had some great input into this forum, she has a loving, supportive Mum. I trust by now you will be regretting your nasty tirade, and have the courage to apologise to not just Emily, but to all the unfortunate readers of your reponse.
Eileen.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif" border="0">
 

kybert

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oh yes <b>anonymous</b>, emily must of had such a terrible childhood! i mean not believing in god must have been so hard and depressing when she was out having fun with her friends. hey, you must have been neighbours with her? i mean, because you know her so well and all. emily i am so disgusted that you cant be discrete and not say a word about anything! what were you thinking, you crazed attention seeking nympho? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

you know, i really hope that was just some bad joke gone wrong otherwise that is by far the worst thing i have seen here. emily, youre a good person and we are all on your side *hugs*
 

Mockingbird

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When i first read that annonymous post, i was gonna let my little demon out and probably get this thread locked. But lots of people have already defended Emily and such, so i'll keep my demon in his cage... for now. =-)

I will say that every religion is worth looking into. Well, except the ones that might involve spaceships and poisoned pudding, try to stay away fom those. =-) What I mean is it's okay to ask "why" and to walk different paths. That's how we learn and grow. Though most people still don't understand my little detour into Buddhism, i know how much it worked to shape my life. (i'm contradicting my previous post, aren't I? That's okay, Rosseau always contradicted himself, too, so I'm allowed. =-) Anyway, to Aimee, sometimes answers come from places you would never expect. Hell, they might even come from "many young people who haven't figured out life for themselves" Anyway, i say just always keep your mind and your heart open. =-) There's a poem by Mary Oliver called Mockingbirds that's about that (yes, that's partly where my name comes from. =-) Anyway, it's about someone who ends up spending all morning just listening to a pair of mockingbirds in a field. Of course the person had other stuff to do, but the mockingbirds were way more important than anything else. =-) Ha ha, i've probably lost everybody by now. Every time I get started on that poem, people start to look at me like i'm crazy. =-) Oh, well.

And Emily, about the quote, no big deal. =-) I was just wondering if you knew it off the top of your head. It's actually been bugging me for years, 'cause i can't quite remember it. I think maybe, it's more like "To say you know everything is already flawed." I'll remember it someday, and then I'll be able to forget about it. =-)

Jarod
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WinAce

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>AimeeSue82</b></i><br>Hey all. This is the first time I've posted here, but I've read a lot of the past messages. I was wondering what some of your views on religion are.<hr></blockquote>

I consider it bunk, with at least a major portion of its claims (out-of-body-survival, divine creation, etc.) self-evidently false now that we've investigated them at length. I'm one of the most religiously cynical, skeptical and blasphemous people you'll ever encounter online, so take that with a grain of salt, though; your mileage may vary. For reasonable, unbiased information about agnosticism (and other flavors of non-theism) check out <a href="http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml>The Secular Web</a>. One piece of advice, stay away from anything related to American Atheists--they have far too much of an axe to grind. Good luck in your quest for knowledge.

Respectfully,
--Allan
 

WinAce

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While that message got truncated, here's the rest of my post:

For reasonable, unbiased information about agnosticism (and other flavors of non-theism) check out <a href="http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml">The Secular Web</a>. One piece of advice, stay away from anything related to American Atheists--they have far too much of an axe to grind. Good luck in your quest for knowledge.

Respectfully,
--Allan
 

anonymous

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Hello everyone, Allan's advice to you AimeeSue sounds pretty solid, notice above, when we do our message texts it advertises Cystic Fibrosis.com, as a great source for CF discussion & information, it often is. Maybe the Administrators could start another segment, titled Religion?? Then many of us would not be exposed to the 'knee-jerk' replies of some posters.

Jarod, I did some surfing and found 'Mockingbirds', a soul- provoking piece of poetry, The Greek couple, 'almost nothing to give, but there willingness to be attentive.' Sometimes our lives can be so busy we don't take the time to listen, we need to, right? I also read another poem of Mary Olivers and really liked her 'Swans'. I gleaned she was at one time, Secretary for Edna St. Vincents Millay's sister, and there was some evidence of Millay's influence in Oliver's earlier poetry. Her writing as they comment, has few human subjects, but goes on to say, she draws us into her humanity through her acute focus on nature. I live in the most beautiful scenic region of New Zealand, Moana. Sounds like I am totally biased, [for sure], I am surrounded by native bush and would never tire of all this beauty. Anyway before I bore the socks off everyone, it's 11.30pm Tueday night here, and I'm off to get some sleep. I will find time to read more of her works, she's received some pretty remarkable honours thru' her literary achievements!
Cheers Eileen. <img src="i/expressions/sun.gif" border="0">
 

cfgirl38

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I'm sorry I have to ask. To the annonymous that wrote on the 4th at 10:35pm. What did you mean by saying "just thought you should know other people notice what you do, too." How do you know what he/she does when they left no name? Your post doesn't make sence. How do you know everything he/she posted was true. I already said I do believe in God, but I also agree with what Emily said as we all get to involved in the names of who we believe in and condemning those who don't beleive as we do. Instead we should be coming together for the words and actions. Religion isn't meant to be mean and hateful but kind to one another and acting in ways that coorelate with our beleifs. Why do we tear each other down for not beleiving? I think it's between them and whomever is waiting for them at the end of their life. It doesn't have anything to do with me if they don't beleive as long as I'm living in the way I think is appropriate for me.
 
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