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Keepercjr

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mamaScarlett - See I think it *is* the wheat that is killing us - it is in everything and is SO hard to get away from. Certainly there are people who are more sensitive than others but for those that are sensitive it is a very destructive protein. Refined wheat especially. But from my reading even whole wheat is bad. No traditional culture anywhere in the world eats grains in their "whole" state except us. The cultures that do consume grains (and remember that we have only had agriculture for the last 10,000 years) go through lengthy and complicated processes to make the grains somewhat safe to eat. BUT I do agree that there is a lot more than just wheat that is bad for us in our S.A.D diet.

Jeana - a typical dinner at my house is some kind of meat (been buying grass fed beef lately), a veggie or 2 like broccoli and carrots and sweet potatoes (or squash or asparagus or greens etc) . A lady at my local farmer's market sells the most amazing sweet potatoes ever. They literally taste like cake. I don't serve rice anymore but I will eat it if it is presented to me. I will also make stews with meat, home made stock, onions, potatoes, carrots, etc. My husband was totally on board with our dietary change so it made things go a lot easier. He is a meat and more meat type of guy and wouldn't mind if I only served meat.

Sicklyhated - actually if your diet is right you don't need carbohydrates. Take native arctic people like the inuit and eskimos. For most of the year their diets consisted of pure animal protein and fat with as much as 50% of their calories coming from fats. Their only access to plant foods was during the short arctic summers where they gathered berries. And most interestingly they had no heart disease or cancers. This alone blows up the "eat lean meat, eat lots of carbs and avoid animal fats" bs that has been shoved down all our throats. I hate to say it but most of what is being taught in school is just incorrect and research is coming out that proves it. But to battle against giants like wheat and soy is almost impossible. I know that there are lots who don't agree with me but the more I research the more I see what is really going on. The diets that dietitians and doctors have been recommending (low fat high carbs) for the past few decades have done absolutely nothing to put an end to heart disease cancers and obesity. we are in the middle of an epidemic and yet they are still spouting the same dietary advice. Doctors who advocate low carb high protien and fat diets see an improvement in health of their patients.

One last comment regarding oatmeal - just don't eat too much in a sitting and eat some protein and fat with it (so eat some sausage and or bacon and mix in lots of butter in your oats). oats have a glycemic index of 55 (table sugar is 59) so it will still send your blood glucose level pretty high and then possibly cause a crash. I used to eat oatmeal every morning but was getting terrible lows later. It also has a high phytic acid content (a topic for another day - phytic acid prevents absorption of minerals like calcium, magnesium iron and zinc and it is found in all grains and even nuts)
 
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Keepercjr

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mamaScarlett - See I think it *is* the wheat that is killing us - it is in everything and is SO hard to get away from. Certainly there are people who are more sensitive than others but for those that are sensitive it is a very destructive protein. Refined wheat especially. But from my reading even whole wheat is bad. No traditional culture anywhere in the world eats grains in their "whole" state except us. The cultures that do consume grains (and remember that we have only had agriculture for the last 10,000 years) go through lengthy and complicated processes to make the grains somewhat safe to eat. BUT I do agree that there is a lot more than just wheat that is bad for us in our S.A.D diet.

Jeana - a typical dinner at my house is some kind of meat (been buying grass fed beef lately), a veggie or 2 like broccoli and carrots and sweet potatoes (or squash or asparagus or greens etc) . A lady at my local farmer's market sells the most amazing sweet potatoes ever. They literally taste like cake. I don't serve rice anymore but I will eat it if it is presented to me. I will also make stews with meat, home made stock, onions, potatoes, carrots, etc. My husband was totally on board with our dietary change so it made things go a lot easier. He is a meat and more meat type of guy and wouldn't mind if I only served meat.

Sicklyhated - actually if your diet is right you don't need carbohydrates. Take native arctic people like the inuit and eskimos. For most of the year their diets consisted of pure animal protein and fat with as much as 50% of their calories coming from fats. Their only access to plant foods was during the short arctic summers where they gathered berries. And most interestingly they had no heart disease or cancers. This alone blows up the "eat lean meat, eat lots of carbs and avoid animal fats" bs that has been shoved down all our throats. I hate to say it but most of what is being taught in school is just incorrect and research is coming out that proves it. But to battle against giants like wheat and soy is almost impossible. I know that there are lots who don't agree with me but the more I research the more I see what is really going on. The diets that dietitians and doctors have been recommending (low fat high carbs) for the past few decades have done absolutely nothing to put an end to heart disease cancers and obesity. we are in the middle of an epidemic and yet they are still spouting the same dietary advice. Doctors who advocate low carb high protien and fat diets see an improvement in health of their patients.

One last comment regarding oatmeal - just don't eat too much in a sitting and eat some protein and fat with it (so eat some sausage and or bacon and mix in lots of butter in your oats). oats have a glycemic index of 55 (table sugar is 59) so it will still send your blood glucose level pretty high and then possibly cause a crash. I used to eat oatmeal every morning but was getting terrible lows later. It also has a high phytic acid content (a topic for another day - phytic acid prevents absorption of minerals like calcium, magnesium iron and zinc and it is found in all grains and even nuts)
 
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Keepercjr

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Jana</b></i>

As far as the bloating--I recently saw a GI doctor who told me to take charcoal pills because they will absorb some of the extra gunk my system is not properly absorbing. I take a couple of the pills after every meal, and it has made an unbelievable difference. My bloating and stomach pain are mostly gone now.



The wheat-free diet--well, it's probably healthier, but I just can't imagine!</end quote><br><br>Jana that made me chuckle a little bit because I can't imagine taking charcoal tablets every day instead of improving the cause of my problem (diet). Be careful with them though - I read they can also absorb essential nutrients.<br>
 
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Keepercjr

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Jana</b></i>

As far as the bloating--I recently saw a GI doctor who told me to take charcoal pills because they will absorb some of the extra gunk my system is not properly absorbing. I take a couple of the pills after every meal, and it has made an unbelievable difference. My bloating and stomach pain are mostly gone now.



The wheat-free diet--well, it's probably healthier, but I just can't imagine!</end quote><br><br>Jana that made me chuckle a little bit because I can't imagine taking charcoal tablets every day instead of improving the cause of my problem (diet). Be careful with them though - I read they can also absorb essential nutrients.<br>
 

Incomudrox

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>SIcklyhatED</b></i>

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The body does not need carbs. The brain does not need carbs. When carbs are very low the body produces keytones for the brain instead of using carbs to feed it. </end quote>


Since I've begun study anatomy in college I've come to realize that there's so much we still have to learn about how our miraculous bodies work. Ketones will cause your blood to become acidic, which is a big no-no (funny, we were JUST talking about this exact thing 2 days ago in class!). A few ketones for a short period of time may be ok, but for anextendedperiod of time it's really not beneficial. That's why doing the Atkin's Diet incorrectly (or at all) ir not recommended.
Your body does need carbs. Not refined cards, not pasta, not cookies. Carbs. Fruit. Vegetables, the like.
The brain require glucose to function and glucose mainly comes from carbohydrates. Other organs will shut down and give up their supply of glucose so that the brain may function.
So eat your carbs people!
I've heard about CF peeps cutting out gluten and grains, and it sounds reasonable, but I really, REALLY like oatmeal <img src=""></end quote><br><br>Sorry to break it to you but, you don't need carbs. There are people on totally negligible amounts of carbs due to diabetes. I have done a lot of research on this subject and so has my dad who has type 2. Just because your teacher in college that you may or may not pay $20,000-$50,000 a year to go told you so doesn't make it right. Next you are going to tell me that its unhealthy to eat butter and lard... I'll blow that right out of the water.<br>
 

Incomudrox

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>SIcklyhatED</b></i>

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The body does not need carbs. The brain does not need carbs. When carbs are very low the body produces keytones for the brain instead of using carbs to feed it. </end quote>


Since I've begun study anatomy in college I've come to realize that there's so much we still have to learn about how our miraculous bodies work. Ketones will cause your blood to become acidic, which is a big no-no (funny, we were JUST talking about this exact thing 2 days ago in class!). A few ketones for a short period of time may be ok, but for anextendedperiod of time it's really not beneficial. That's why doing the Atkin's Diet incorrectly (or at all) ir not recommended.
Your body does need carbs. Not refined cards, not pasta, not cookies. Carbs. Fruit. Vegetables, the like.
The brain require glucose to function and glucose mainly comes from carbohydrates. Other organs will shut down and give up their supply of glucose so that the brain may function.
So eat your carbs people!
I've heard about CF peeps cutting out gluten and grains, and it sounds reasonable, but I really, REALLY like oatmeal <img src=""></end quote><br><br>Sorry to break it to you but, you don't need carbs. There are people on totally negligible amounts of carbs due to diabetes. I have done a lot of research on this subject and so has my dad who has type 2. Just because your teacher in college that you may or may not pay $20,000-$50,000 a year to go told you so doesn't make it right. Next you are going to tell me that its unhealthy to eat butter and lard... I'll blow that right out of the water.<br>
 

Havoc

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Ketone production does happen naturally through some processes (it's part of the Krebs cycle). However, to have ketones present in blood or urine, it a pathologic process and will cause acidosis. I do not recommend over or under indulging in any one food group. It's just counter intuitive to cut something completely out of your diet unless you have a hypersensitivity. Keep it balanced and healthy.
 

Havoc

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Ketone production does happen naturally through some processes (it's part of the Krebs cycle). However, to have ketones present in blood or urine, it a pathologic process and will cause acidosis. I do not recommend over or under indulging in any one food group. It's just counter intuitive to cut something completely out of your diet unless you have a hypersensitivity. Keep it balanced and healthy.
 

mamerth

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I am with Havoc on this issue. My family has food allergies and I have diabetes. We do our best to eat a balanced diet--- whole grain carbs (oatmeal, whole grain pasta, brown rice), fruits and veges. The one thing we do cut out is preservatives, additives and food coloring.

My son loves to carb up or eat tons of protein. As soon as we catch him doing it we remind him to eat "balanced" meal. A serving of protein, a serving or two of carbs and a serving or two of fruits and veges.

Just my two cents.
 

mamerth

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I am with Havoc on this issue. My family has food allergies and I have diabetes. We do our best to eat a balanced diet--- whole grain carbs (oatmeal, whole grain pasta, brown rice), fruits and veges. The one thing we do cut out is preservatives, additives and food coloring.

My son loves to carb up or eat tons of protein. As soon as we catch him doing it we remind him to eat "balanced" meal. A serving of protein, a serving or two of carbs and a serving or two of fruits and veges.

Just my two cents.
 
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Keepercjr

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Samantha - I believe at this point I don't follow any program explicitly but I guess we are close to paleo - maybe more primal. There is a lot of overlap and grey area between all the programs. We eat lots of protein in the form of grass fed beef and (commercial) poultry - I hope to be able to afford pastured poultry in the future. I have my own free ranging chickens so we also consume lots of eggs. I am about to become part of a cow share so we will have access to tons of raw milk that I plan to make into yogurt, cheese, etc (also my family will consume the milk itself - we have been buying small amounts of raw milk for my son to drink to help his teeth). I eat a LOT of cheese and butter as well (raw cheeses and pastured raw cultured butter). I don't cook legumes very often but I am not avoiding them. I also grow and love tomatoes (nightshades) which I believe are a no no on some programs. Oh and I think we eat more fruit than is typically recommended (I also have lots of fruit trees and some grape vines). We only started on our dietary journey about 6 weeks ago and I have been learning SO much. I guess as I learn more and read more research I may refine or tweak it but it is working okay so far.

Other dietary stuff: I make bone broths (highly nutritious!), we avoid sugar and HFCS, no canola oil, only use butter for cooking on the stove (coconut oil is ok for that too), and we take fermented cod liver oil (very high in omega 3s, vitamin A and vitamin D) and take high vitamin butter oil (compliments the cod liver oil and has extremely nutritious properties of its own)

Samantha regarding your previous post about needing animal protein - I read that something like 75% of vegetarians return to eating meat. I just do not believe that humans were meant to only eat plants. We are true omnivores and NEED animal protein and animal FAT to be at our optimal health. Read the works of Dr. Weston A Price.
 
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Keepercjr

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Samantha - I believe at this point I don't follow any program explicitly but I guess we are close to paleo - maybe more primal. There is a lot of overlap and grey area between all the programs. We eat lots of protein in the form of grass fed beef and (commercial) poultry - I hope to be able to afford pastured poultry in the future. I have my own free ranging chickens so we also consume lots of eggs. I am about to become part of a cow share so we will have access to tons of raw milk that I plan to make into yogurt, cheese, etc (also my family will consume the milk itself - we have been buying small amounts of raw milk for my son to drink to help his teeth). I eat a LOT of cheese and butter as well (raw cheeses and pastured raw cultured butter). I don't cook legumes very often but I am not avoiding them. I also grow and love tomatoes (nightshades) which I believe are a no no on some programs. Oh and I think we eat more fruit than is typically recommended (I also have lots of fruit trees and some grape vines). We only started on our dietary journey about 6 weeks ago and I have been learning SO much. I guess as I learn more and read more research I may refine or tweak it but it is working okay so far.

Other dietary stuff: I make bone broths (highly nutritious!), we avoid sugar and HFCS, no canola oil, only use butter for cooking on the stove (coconut oil is ok for that too), and we take fermented cod liver oil (very high in omega 3s, vitamin A and vitamin D) and take high vitamin butter oil (compliments the cod liver oil and has extremely nutritious properties of its own)

Samantha regarding your previous post about needing animal protein - I read that something like 75% of vegetarians return to eating meat. I just do not believe that humans were meant to only eat plants. We are true omnivores and NEED animal protein and animal FAT to be at our optimal health. Read the works of Dr. Weston A Price.
 
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Swallowtail66

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My sister has celiac disease. Oats naturallydon't have gluten. If you are very sensitive, you have to have a kind that is processed in a gluten free factory.
 
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Swallowtail66

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My sister has celiac disease. Oats naturallydon't have gluten. If you are very sensitive, you have to have a kind that is processed in a gluten free factory.
 

imported_Momto2

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Ditto girl! I took out processed carbs, sugar, and dairy, lost weight (needed to), have never felt so good.
No more diabetes, lung function improved (I was exercising too)
Started cheating on my diet......eating sugar and carbs, some dairy.
Gained weight, booboo belly galore, some depression, definite fatigue, and GOUT.
Now my lungs are very sick, the first major infection in 1.5 years. (estimated FEV @40%)
And we are supposed to leave tomorrow for two weeks in little Cayman.
I am such an idiot. : (
No more cheating...........................
 

imported_Momto2

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Ditto girl! I took out processed carbs, sugar, and dairy, lost weight (needed to), have never felt so good.
No more diabetes, lung function improved (I was exercising too)
Started cheating on my diet......eating sugar and carbs, some dairy.
Gained weight, booboo belly galore, some depression, definite fatigue, and GOUT.
Now my lungs are very sick, the first major infection in 1.5 years. (estimated FEV @40%)
And we are supposed to leave tomorrow for two weeks in little Cayman.
I am such an idiot. : (
No more cheating...........................
 

sahein79

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Caroline,
I love your sustainable urban homesteader lifestyle! I do eat animal protien. I eat wild caught fish, grass fed beef, venison, and naturally raised chickens. I have a large backyard garden and a pear tree, planning on planting many more fruit trees. I believe I could do a modified paleo. I think we need more fruit than paleo recommends. When I was little I had access to raw dairy. If you are going to do dairy, it is definitely the way to go because it has enzymes and keeps the dairy from becoming acidic to the body. I also believe we need some animal protein. The fact that we need omega 3's and grassfed beef and wild fish contain large amounts of them I believe is no coincedence. I do believe it needs to be balanced with lots of greens. Thank you for sharing!
Samantha 32w/CF
 

sahein79

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Caroline,
I love your sustainable urban homesteader lifestyle! I do eat animal protien. I eat wild caught fish, grass fed beef, venison, and naturally raised chickens. I have a large backyard garden and a pear tree, planning on planting many more fruit trees. I believe I could do a modified paleo. I think we need more fruit than paleo recommends. When I was little I had access to raw dairy. If you are going to do dairy, it is definitely the way to go because it has enzymes and keeps the dairy from becoming acidic to the body. I also believe we need some animal protein. The fact that we need omega 3's and grassfed beef and wild fish contain large amounts of them I believe is no coincedence. I do believe it needs to be balanced with lots of greens. Thank you for sharing!
Samantha 32w/CF
 
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