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Keepercjr

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It IS healthy to eat lots of butter and other saturated animal fats! If you have a high protein diet you also need to have a lot (healthy) fat. Saturated animal fats do not do damage to our arteries and eating cholesterol does not cause elevated blood cholesterol. The studies that were done that vilified saturated fats did not separate saturated animal fat and saturated vegetable oils. There is a HUGE difference. Instead of separating them the researchers decided to declare all saturated fats bad. Those who do not consume saturated vegetable oils but DO consume lots of saturated animal fat have wonderful lipid profiles. In fact I have read about people eliminating saturated vegetable oils but increasing saturated animal fats and having markedly improved levels. Here is some reading for you: http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/skinny-on-fats

It is definitely possible to get enough calcium from other sources besides dairy. Although my family has not eliminated dairy - we have switched to raw milk and raw cheese. I can not tolerate pasteurized cows milk at all. However I am totally fine on raw milk. Additionally if you consume grains they contain an antinutriet called phytic acid. Phytic acid PREVENTS absorption of minerals like calcium, iron, zinc, and magnesium. So even if you have a calcium rich diet you are not absorbing most of it (Phyic acid chelates the minerals and makes them unavailable for absorption). Makes you wonder why we have such an osteoporosis epidemic in our society......

Here is a good summary against grains: http://nourishedkitchen.com/against-the-grain-10-reasons-to-give-up-grains/

And for the record - yes we eat lots of meat and veggies. It is possible to be creative. I have to small kids too (almost 7 and 3) and they are eating it. I cook eggs, chicken, some fish, beef, etc. It is pretty easy to mix it up and be creative with the cuts and how I cook it. We ate grains for practically every meal and we had pasta several nights a week. It CAN be done. It isn't easy but it is possible. Like I said - if I can do it, you can do it. I am not 100% grain free but pretty close.
 
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Keepercjr

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It IS healthy to eat lots of butter and other saturated animal fats! If you have a high protein diet you also need to have a lot (healthy) fat. Saturated animal fats do not do damage to our arteries and eating cholesterol does not cause elevated blood cholesterol. The studies that were done that vilified saturated fats did not separate saturated animal fat and saturated vegetable oils. There is a HUGE difference. Instead of separating them the researchers decided to declare all saturated fats bad. Those who do not consume saturated vegetable oils but DO consume lots of saturated animal fat have wonderful lipid profiles. In fact I have read about people eliminating saturated vegetable oils but increasing saturated animal fats and having markedly improved levels. Here is some reading for you: http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/skinny-on-fats

It is definitely possible to get enough calcium from other sources besides dairy. Although my family has not eliminated dairy - we have switched to raw milk and raw cheese. I can not tolerate pasteurized cows milk at all. However I am totally fine on raw milk. Additionally if you consume grains they contain an antinutriet called phytic acid. Phytic acid PREVENTS absorption of minerals like calcium, iron, zinc, and magnesium. So even if you have a calcium rich diet you are not absorbing most of it (Phyic acid chelates the minerals and makes them unavailable for absorption). Makes you wonder why we have such an osteoporosis epidemic in our society......

Here is a good summary against grains: http://nourishedkitchen.com/against-the-grain-10-reasons-to-give-up-grains/

And for the record - yes we eat lots of meat and veggies. It is possible to be creative. I have to small kids too (almost 7 and 3) and they are eating it. I cook eggs, chicken, some fish, beef, etc. It is pretty easy to mix it up and be creative with the cuts and how I cook it. We ate grains for practically every meal and we had pasta several nights a week. It CAN be done. It isn't easy but it is possible. Like I said - if I can do it, you can do it. I am not 100% grain free but pretty close.
 
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sahein79

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Caroline,
I am curious what blood type you are? I am an A+, which the blood type diet says is best for a vegan type diet with some fish. I have been told by natural health practioners that i dont have enough stomach acid to break down meat well, and I feel that when I eat it. Just wondering. Like I said before, I believe there is no one perfect solution for everyone.
Be well,
Samantha
 
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sahein79

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Caroline,
I am curious what blood type you are? I am an A+, which the blood type diet says is best for a vegan type diet with some fish. I have been told by natural health practioners that i dont have enough stomach acid to break down meat well, and I feel that when I eat it. Just wondering. Like I said before, I believe there is no one perfect solution for everyone.
Be well,
Samantha
 
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witzersmom

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Samantha Thank you for the much valuable tips. My daughter has cfrd and long before she got it, I asked if I should consider a more natural healthy diet do avoid the diabetes. ugggh! But I am going to give it a whirl with these natural fats. I am not sure how to navigate well on here, but would you be able to inbox me a loose example of say..a 3 days log of how you eat? Thank you so much again, I am feeling hope for improving her health.<br>
 
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witzersmom

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Samantha Thank you for the much valuable tips. My daughter has cfrd and long before she got it, I asked if I should consider a more natural healthy diet do avoid the diabetes. ugggh! But I am going to give it a whirl with these natural fats. I am not sure how to navigate well on here, but would you be able to inbox me a loose example of say..a 3 days log of how you eat? Thank you so much again, I am feeling hope for improving her health.<br>
 
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sahein79

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Hi Witzersmom,

I can give you an example of what I ate yesterday. My diet is in no way appropriate for everyone.
Breakfast- 40oz green smoothie- 1 scoop green vibrance, 4 cups organic spinach, 1 banana, 1 cup frozen organic strawberries, 1 cup frozen organic peaches, 2 cups water
Lunch- spicy salmon sushi roll with avocado and brown rice, 32oz vegetable juice-carrot, beet, cucumber, parsley, spinach, kale, wheatgrass, lemon
Snack-4 clementines
Dinner- Dr. Prager Veggie burger, gluten free bread by Canyon Bakehouse, lettuce, tomato, onion, vegenaise, 1/2 avocado, sweet potato fries baked by Alexia, organic ketchup
Snack-large grapefruit

I have never had trouble keeping weight on. I find the best diet for me is high veggie n fruit, gluten free- as much as possible, dairy free, processed sugar free as much as possible- love stevia!, and some animal protien-mostly fish because other meats are difficult for me to digest and I do take Hydrocloric Acid when I choose to eat a good steak
I am a big believer in eating as nutrient dense as possible and go to raw potlucks monthly for inspiration! I do work full time and have a daughter that is about to turn 3, so I don't have all day to be in the kitchen. I regularly snack on apples and raw almonds or brazil nuts. I eat organic as much as possible, following the clean 15 and dirty dozen. We also eat alot of hummus, check ingredients and try to avoid those with canola or soy oils, and baked lentil chips. I work for a national organic grocery store and have learned a ton about the food industry and health while working there the past 7 years. I also like to read a lot.

I usually have a green smoothie every day for breakfast. Sometimes when I am on antibiotics I enjoy Canyon Bakehouse cinnamon raisin bread toasted with nut butter and honey, or apples and nut butter, udi's gluten free granola and almond milk is another good choice

Lunch- big salad, quinoa salad and veggies, salmon salad and rice crackers with big apple, vegetable green curry with rice, veggie indian food without the paneer

Dinner- corn tortilla tacos with quorn grounds or chicken or grass fed beef, dairy free quesidillas on sprouted or gluten free tortilla with daiya cheese beans veggies salsa- topped with avocado, dairy free sour cream, salsa, veggie burgers- my favorites are Dr. Prager or Sunshine Burgers, tamales, thai food, vietnamese soups

Snacks- apples with nuts, fruit, hummus and carrots, large veggie juice, tortilla chips and salsa, green smoothie, raw fruit n nut bars, kale chips,

These are alot of examples of what I eat. Hope it helps!

Samantha 32 w/cf
 
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sahein79

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Hi Witzersmom,

I can give you an example of what I ate yesterday. My diet is in no way appropriate for everyone.
Breakfast- 40oz green smoothie- 1 scoop green vibrance, 4 cups organic spinach, 1 banana, 1 cup frozen organic strawberries, 1 cup frozen organic peaches, 2 cups water
Lunch- spicy salmon sushi roll with avocado and brown rice, 32oz vegetable juice-carrot, beet, cucumber, parsley, spinach, kale, wheatgrass, lemon
Snack-4 clementines
Dinner- Dr. Prager Veggie burger, gluten free bread by Canyon Bakehouse, lettuce, tomato, onion, vegenaise, 1/2 avocado, sweet potato fries baked by Alexia, organic ketchup
Snack-large grapefruit

I have never had trouble keeping weight on. I find the best diet for me is high veggie n fruit, gluten free- as much as possible, dairy free, processed sugar free as much as possible- love stevia!, and some animal protien-mostly fish because other meats are difficult for me to digest and I do take Hydrocloric Acid when I choose to eat a good steak
I am a big believer in eating as nutrient dense as possible and go to raw potlucks monthly for inspiration! I do work full time and have a daughter that is about to turn 3, so I don't have all day to be in the kitchen. I regularly snack on apples and raw almonds or brazil nuts. I eat organic as much as possible, following the clean 15 and dirty dozen. We also eat alot of hummus, check ingredients and try to avoid those with canola or soy oils, and baked lentil chips. I work for a national organic grocery store and have learned a ton about the food industry and health while working there the past 7 years. I also like to read a lot.

I usually have a green smoothie every day for breakfast. Sometimes when I am on antibiotics I enjoy Canyon Bakehouse cinnamon raisin bread toasted with nut butter and honey, or apples and nut butter, udi's gluten free granola and almond milk is another good choice

Lunch- big salad, quinoa salad and veggies, salmon salad and rice crackers with big apple, vegetable green curry with rice, veggie indian food without the paneer

Dinner- corn tortilla tacos with quorn grounds or chicken or grass fed beef, dairy free quesidillas on sprouted or gluten free tortilla with daiya cheese beans veggies salsa- topped with avocado, dairy free sour cream, salsa, veggie burgers- my favorites are Dr. Prager or Sunshine Burgers, tamales, thai food, vietnamese soups

Snacks- apples with nuts, fruit, hummus and carrots, large veggie juice, tortilla chips and salsa, green smoothie, raw fruit n nut bars, kale chips,

These are alot of examples of what I eat. Hope it helps!

Samantha 32 w/cf
 
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Keepercjr

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Samantha
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<br>I don't remember my blood type! Funny. I'll have to ask my mom since I know she remembers. I know my husband is type O+ (he is a regular blood donor) and he LOVES meat. I find that veggies tend to make up more of my meal than meat. While my husband will take a huge piece of meat and a few veggies, I tend to take more veggies than meat. I am not conscientiously doing it, it just happens.
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<br>Witzersmom - just for kicks here are some foods we enjoy at my house -
<br>Breakfast: Greek yogurt (full fat if I can find it), bacon, eggs (either hard boiled or fried in grass fed butter), sausage, leftovers, smoothies (usually fruit and milk and ice).
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<br>Lunch: chicken teriyaki with white rice and broccoli or other veggie, ribs from a local bbq joint, uncured salami and pepperonis with raw cheese, uncured grass fed beef hotdogs (no bun), salad, leftovers
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<br>Dinner: Fish, grass fed beef (hamburgers, stews, steaks, ground beef cooked with onions, mushrooms and garlic, broiled cuts), chicken, an assortment of veggies + sweet potatoes a few nights per week. The veggies are steamed or sauteed with butter and I also slather raw butter on them as the fat aids in the nutrient absorption. I suppose the same could be accomplishment with coconut oil or olive oil. I enjoy the sweet potatoes with lots of raw butter as well. Raw is best but any grassfed butter will do (kerrygold, strauss, etc).
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<br>Snacks: mandarins, avocados, tomatoes, oranges, pears, apples (ie any seasonal fruit), carrots, raw cheese (I find the cheeses at whole foods and costco and one local health food store that carries a local raw cheddar). I do like hummus as well. I know it sounds crazy but I will also sometimes take small spoon fulls of raw butter to make sure I am getting enough fats. My daughter enjoys bites of butter as well
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<br>Our only grain containing meal is pizza once a week. We have a gift certificate that my mom got us an at auction for 1 pizza a week for a year. That ends in July and I know we won't be getting it after that. I found a recipe for a grain free pizza crust so I plan to experiment with that soon.
 
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Keepercjr

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Samantha
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<br>I don't remember my blood type! Funny. I'll have to ask my mom since I know she remembers. I know my husband is type O+ (he is a regular blood donor) and he LOVES meat. I find that veggies tend to make up more of my meal than meat. While my husband will take a huge piece of meat and a few veggies, I tend to take more veggies than meat. I am not conscientiously doing it, it just happens.
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<br>Witzersmom - just for kicks here are some foods we enjoy at my house -
<br>Breakfast: Greek yogurt (full fat if I can find it), bacon, eggs (either hard boiled or fried in grass fed butter), sausage, leftovers, smoothies (usually fruit and milk and ice).
<br>
<br>Lunch: chicken teriyaki with white rice and broccoli or other veggie, ribs from a local bbq joint, uncured salami and pepperonis with raw cheese, uncured grass fed beef hotdogs (no bun), salad, leftovers
<br>
<br>Dinner: Fish, grass fed beef (hamburgers, stews, steaks, ground beef cooked with onions, mushrooms and garlic, broiled cuts), chicken, an assortment of veggies + sweet potatoes a few nights per week. The veggies are steamed or sauteed with butter and I also slather raw butter on them as the fat aids in the nutrient absorption. I suppose the same could be accomplishment with coconut oil or olive oil. I enjoy the sweet potatoes with lots of raw butter as well. Raw is best but any grassfed butter will do (kerrygold, strauss, etc).
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<br>Snacks: mandarins, avocados, tomatoes, oranges, pears, apples (ie any seasonal fruit), carrots, raw cheese (I find the cheeses at whole foods and costco and one local health food store that carries a local raw cheddar). I do like hummus as well. I know it sounds crazy but I will also sometimes take small spoon fulls of raw butter to make sure I am getting enough fats. My daughter enjoys bites of butter as well
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<br>Our only grain containing meal is pizza once a week. We have a gift certificate that my mom got us an at auction for 1 pizza a week for a year. That ends in July and I know we won't be getting it after that. I found a recipe for a grain free pizza crust so I plan to experiment with that soon.
 
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witzersmom

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Thank you both! Its strange to feed a cfer, lol! I am the only mom that loads her kid up on fatty meats, butter and stuff. But this is all so valuable and I think I agree with a little of it all. I prefer her dairy be limited to useful products..greek yogurt, keifer.... What is raw cheese and butter? Dont believe I've seen that? im guessing not pastueized for more enzymes? Let me know because I am open to this.<br><br>I do like to have her drink almond and cocunut milk, much more packed with good things. <br><br>I would like to fatten her up more on pure products, sometimes I am desperate and just buy a bunch of snicker bars, She can only eat so much sausage and corned beef. I will look for these hot dogs, I get the nitrate free, but if I can do better....<br><br>That is amazing Samantha about the scarring. Regardless if I think she can afford complete vegan type or not, she def needs massive amounts of nutrition the way you eat, and all that fiber must keep your stomach from aching like hers does. <br><br>Now, to both of you that responded to me... as natural as you are, do you use your own more organic enzymes? or are you using the creons or what not?<br>
 
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witzersmom

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Thank you both! Its strange to feed a cfer, lol! I am the only mom that loads her kid up on fatty meats, butter and stuff. But this is all so valuable and I think I agree with a little of it all. I prefer her dairy be limited to useful products..greek yogurt, keifer.... What is raw cheese and butter? Dont believe I've seen that? im guessing not pastueized for more enzymes? Let me know because I am open to this.<br><br>I do like to have her drink almond and cocunut milk, much more packed with good things. <br><br>I would like to fatten her up more on pure products, sometimes I am desperate and just buy a bunch of snicker bars, She can only eat so much sausage and corned beef. I will look for these hot dogs, I get the nitrate free, but if I can do better....<br><br>That is amazing Samantha about the scarring. Regardless if I think she can afford complete vegan type or not, she def needs massive amounts of nutrition the way you eat, and all that fiber must keep your stomach from aching like hers does. <br><br>Now, to both of you that responded to me... as natural as you are, do you use your own more organic enzymes? or are you using the creons or what not?<br>
 
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TheAmazingBD

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MOST of what people eat in America isn't even food...it's been processed till there is no nutritional value. Bread is as nutritional as a cardboard box. The same goes for pasta. YES, it tastes good and you THINK your body wants it, but that's because most are lacking in TRUE nutritional value so being hungry is a sideaffect of eating cardboard. To reiterate, GOOD CARBS are in fruits and veggies and the only reason to eat bread and pasta....well there isn't one. If we all dedicated ourselves to eating FOOD not boxes, we would surely see the great benefits of functioning better and feeling better.<br>My two cents..<br><br><br><br><br>
 
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TheAmazingBD

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MOST of what people eat in America isn't even food...it's been processed till there is no nutritional value. Bread is as nutritional as a cardboard box. The same goes for pasta. YES, it tastes good and you THINK your body wants it, but that's because most are lacking in TRUE nutritional value so being hungry is a sideaffect of eating cardboard. To reiterate, GOOD CARBS are in fruits and veggies and the only reason to eat bread and pasta....well there isn't one. If we all dedicated ourselves to eating FOOD not boxes, we would surely see the great benefits of functioning better and feeling better.<br>My two cents..<br><br><br><br><br>
 
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Keepercjr

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The AmazingBD - you are so right. I agree with everything you said. I now shop the perimieter of the grocery store (although I hardly go anymore since I get my veggies from the farmer's market along with most of my meat). And my pantry is practically bare since we no longer use canned or boxed items.

witzersmom- raw dairy is not heated above something like 120 degrees (can't remember the exact temp) to preserve all the enzymes and beneficial bacteria. The law requires that raw cheese be aged a minimum of 60 days to make sure there are no pathogens in it and raw butter is safe because it has almost no moisture and is pure fat. raw butter can be hard to find if unless you make your own. We have a local licensed raw dairy that sells raw grass fed butter (and cheese) so that is what I get. Although raw is best, there are some quality grass fed butters out there that can often be found at regular grocery stores and whole foods. kerrygold is the most common (and can even be found at some costcos though not any where I live). It is irish butter and the cows graze on grass. Once you have compared grass fed butter and conventional feed lot butter side by side you will actually SEE the difference. Grass fed butter is much more yellow and that is a good thing. just google grass fed butter to read all the benefits. I buy raw cheese at whole foods and costco. I just read all the labels and look for raw milk as an ingredient. stay away from organic valley raw cheese. It is NOT actually raw. It is heated to just under pasteurization temps which denatures all the enzymes.

Nitrate free hot dogs are a good start. I get grass fed hot dogs (uncured) at whole foods. They are a lot more expensive than regular hot dogs but it is worth it for the quality. And we don't eat them very often so it is ok. And remember that animal fat is good so no need to go low fat.

I have a functional pancreas so I do not use enzymes. Although sometimes I wonder if I am losing function. I can go for a few weeks with bad BMs but be back to normal for stretches as well. I also no longer have a gall bladder so I think that is the cause of my problems more than my pancreas.
 
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Keepercjr

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The AmazingBD - you are so right. I agree with everything you said. I now shop the perimieter of the grocery store (although I hardly go anymore since I get my veggies from the farmer's market along with most of my meat). And my pantry is practically bare since we no longer use canned or boxed items.

witzersmom- raw dairy is not heated above something like 120 degrees (can't remember the exact temp) to preserve all the enzymes and beneficial bacteria. The law requires that raw cheese be aged a minimum of 60 days to make sure there are no pathogens in it and raw butter is safe because it has almost no moisture and is pure fat. raw butter can be hard to find if unless you make your own. We have a local licensed raw dairy that sells raw grass fed butter (and cheese) so that is what I get. Although raw is best, there are some quality grass fed butters out there that can often be found at regular grocery stores and whole foods. kerrygold is the most common (and can even be found at some costcos though not any where I live). It is irish butter and the cows graze on grass. Once you have compared grass fed butter and conventional feed lot butter side by side you will actually SEE the difference. Grass fed butter is much more yellow and that is a good thing. just google grass fed butter to read all the benefits. I buy raw cheese at whole foods and costco. I just read all the labels and look for raw milk as an ingredient. stay away from organic valley raw cheese. It is NOT actually raw. It is heated to just under pasteurization temps which denatures all the enzymes.

Nitrate free hot dogs are a good start. I get grass fed hot dogs (uncured) at whole foods. They are a lot more expensive than regular hot dogs but it is worth it for the quality. And we don't eat them very often so it is ok. And remember that animal fat is good so no need to go low fat.

I have a functional pancreas so I do not use enzymes. Although sometimes I wonder if I am losing function. I can go for a few weeks with bad BMs but be back to normal for stretches as well. I also no longer have a gall bladder so I think that is the cause of my problems more than my pancreas.
 
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