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Keepercjr

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While I sort of agree CFKitty I think that our doctors know virtually nothing about nutrition. For some reason they just are not taught about it in medical school even though proper nutrition would prevent most of the diseases that their patients show up with. And our nutritionists just tell us what they were taught in school - and I'm finding that it was woefully wrong to begin with. So where does that leave us? I think it is prudent that if we are going to change something in our lives that we don't do it without lots of thought and research but I don't think our doctors are the final answer.
 
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Keepercjr

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While I sort of agree CFKitty I think that our doctors know virtually nothing about nutrition. For some reason they just are not taught about it in medical school even though proper nutrition would prevent most of the diseases that their patients show up with. And our nutritionists just tell us what they were taught in school - and I'm finding that it was woefully wrong to begin with. So where does that leave us? I think it is prudent that if we are going to change something in our lives that we don't do it without lots of thought and research but I don't think our doctors are the final answer.
 
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Melissa75

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I wish I could be motivated enough to imitate the menu my parents had my sister and I on when we were kids--my mom is an older mom from another country and never tried to understand packaged foods in the US, and my dad used to work for a nutrition lobby in Washington--tried to fight the whole Reagan-ketchup-is-a-vegetable thing back in the day.

We had no juice or soda, only whole fruit with every breakfast, cereals like all-bran and grape nuts, sandwiches on crumbly nutty bread, vegetarian dinners about 3-4 times a week, and minimal desserts. (I remember going to friends' houses and eating cookies in state of ecstasy.)

My family has a more lax version of this diet. We have some stuff in boxes, eat dessert a few nights a week, have juice and even sometimes soda. But every meal has to have a fruit or veggie, and we eat tons of rice, quinoa, potatoes with skin, beans and because of a random obsession of two of my kids: Japanese food (not just take-out, we go to the store and buy seaweed etc). We have more meat and fish than I grew up with because we have the funds and my husband is a red-meat man (he's slender, has a good cholesterol level and needs dental work every six months or so btw :).

This thread caught my attention because if my appetite is down, I do skip the starch and just eat the meat and veggie. I don't crave carbs--I crave salt, vinegar, protein and fat. I have concerns about a high red meat diet and cancer and heart disease--also diabetes according to the article below. I figured I'd throw it out here for an opposing view--not because I think one diet is wrong or right.

(Caroline, it's fantastic that you are avoiding nitrites, but I think there are still some risks.)

http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/01/a-diabetes-link-to-meat
 
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Melissa75

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I wish I could be motivated enough to imitate the menu my parents had my sister and I on when we were kids--my mom is an older mom from another country and never tried to understand packaged foods in the US, and my dad used to work for a nutrition lobby in Washington--tried to fight the whole Reagan-ketchup-is-a-vegetable thing back in the day.

We had no juice or soda, only whole fruit with every breakfast, cereals like all-bran and grape nuts, sandwiches on crumbly nutty bread, vegetarian dinners about 3-4 times a week, and minimal desserts. (I remember going to friends' houses and eating cookies in state of ecstasy.)

My family has a more lax version of this diet. We have some stuff in boxes, eat dessert a few nights a week, have juice and even sometimes soda. But every meal has to have a fruit or veggie, and we eat tons of rice, quinoa, potatoes with skin, beans and because of a random obsession of two of my kids: Japanese food (not just take-out, we go to the store and buy seaweed etc). We have more meat and fish than I grew up with because we have the funds and my husband is a red-meat man (he's slender, has a good cholesterol level and needs dental work every six months or so btw :).

This thread caught my attention because if my appetite is down, I do skip the starch and just eat the meat and veggie. I don't crave carbs--I crave salt, vinegar, protein and fat. I have concerns about a high red meat diet and cancer and heart disease--also diabetes according to the article below. I figured I'd throw it out here for an opposing view--not because I think one diet is wrong or right.

(Caroline, it's fantastic that you are avoiding nitrites, but I think there are still some risks.)

http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/01/a-diabetes-link-to-meat
 
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Keepercjr

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Melissa - interesting article. There could theoretically be a problem eating factory farmed cows. They are not fed their natural diet (cows need grass!!!) and are confined in feed lots under stressful conditions. They have a pretty bad ratio of omega 6s to omega 3s as well. Grass fed and finished meat has a wonderful ratio of omega 3/6 and they get to eat their natural diet. When we eat beef it is almost exclusively grass fed now. Hopefully I will be able to afford pastured chicken in the future. Once in a while I will pick up a clearanced steak and bring it home but that is about it. I find I'm not spending more on groceries than I used to even though grass fed is more expensive because I'm shopping seasonal and at the farmer's markets.

As for cancer/heart disease/diebetes and red meat consumption... I've read quite a few articles and studies refuting it but those don't get the publicity of the "alarmist" ones. The studies on saturated fat and heart disease did not separate animal and vegetable saturated fats. They just blanket labeled all saturated fats bad. Yet people who have high *animal* saturated fat diets and eat low or no vegetable saturated fats (except olive, coconut, avocado and palm) have wonderful lipid profiles. And there are cultures out there who ate (just about everyone has adopted western eating now unfortunately) almost exclusively meat and fat and yet they had no heart disease, cancer or diabetes. There has to be something else going on. Where are the studies that follow people who eat grassfed meat, lots of animal saturated fats, no grain and lots of veggies? Recently the data is showing that your total level of LDL is not a predictor of heart disease - it is the *size* of the LDL particle. Large LDL particles are fine even in high numbers. it is the small dense ones that are a problem. For a good read on saturated fats I really like what is written here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/#axzz1i2BIXbx0

Here (on the same site) is a great rundown of the study you posted the article about Melissa : http://www.marksdailyapple.com/does-eating-red-meat-increase-type-2-diabetes-risk/#axzz1i2QNMhsq
 
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Keepercjr

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Melissa - interesting article. There could theoretically be a problem eating factory farmed cows. They are not fed their natural diet (cows need grass!!!) and are confined in feed lots under stressful conditions. They have a pretty bad ratio of omega 6s to omega 3s as well. Grass fed and finished meat has a wonderful ratio of omega 3/6 and they get to eat their natural diet. When we eat beef it is almost exclusively grass fed now. Hopefully I will be able to afford pastured chicken in the future. Once in a while I will pick up a clearanced steak and bring it home but that is about it. I find I'm not spending more on groceries than I used to even though grass fed is more expensive because I'm shopping seasonal and at the farmer's markets.

As for cancer/heart disease/diebetes and red meat consumption... I've read quite a few articles and studies refuting it but those don't get the publicity of the "alarmist" ones. The studies on saturated fat and heart disease did not separate animal and vegetable saturated fats. They just blanket labeled all saturated fats bad. Yet people who have high *animal* saturated fat diets and eat low or no vegetable saturated fats (except olive, coconut, avocado and palm) have wonderful lipid profiles. And there are cultures out there who ate (just about everyone has adopted western eating now unfortunately) almost exclusively meat and fat and yet they had no heart disease, cancer or diabetes. There has to be something else going on. Where are the studies that follow people who eat grassfed meat, lots of animal saturated fats, no grain and lots of veggies? Recently the data is showing that your total level of LDL is not a predictor of heart disease - it is the *size* of the LDL particle. Large LDL particles are fine even in high numbers. it is the small dense ones that are a problem. For a good read on saturated fats I really like what is written here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/#axzz1i2BIXbx0

Here (on the same site) is a great rundown of the study you posted the article about Melissa : http://www.marksdailyapple.com/does-eating-red-meat-increase-type-2-diabetes-risk/#axzz1i2QNMhsq
 
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Melissa75

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Yeah, I hear you. I don't know what the controls were on the study--if the participants were divided into activity/health/weight/other-food consumption control groups. I suspect there were some controls, but I know there was no grass-fed study. :)
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<br>I do think the organic and grass-fed choices you are making play a huge role in the affect the meats will have on your system.
<br>Somewhere in this thread is mentioned the Inuit/Eskimo and their diet of mostly fat. Until I just read this article:
<br>http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox/article_view?b_start:int=3&-C=
<br>I figured in their case, they had at least a couple thousand years of isolated behavior/evolution, and I was hesitant to imitate it on my Southern European/Middle Eastern body, but now, a little less so...
<br>:)
<br><br>oops, I posted the fourth page of the Discovery Magazine article, fixed now...I think.<br>
 
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Melissa75

Administrator
Yeah, I hear you. I don't know what the controls were on the study--if the participants were divided into activity/health/weight/other-food consumption control groups. I suspect there were some controls, but I know there was no grass-fed study. :)
<br>
<br>I do think the organic and grass-fed choices you are making play a huge role in the affect the meats will have on your system.
<br>Somewhere in this thread is mentioned the Inuit/Eskimo and their diet of mostly fat. Until I just read this article:
<br>http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox/article_view?b_start:int=3&-C=
<br>I figured in their case, they had at least a couple thousand years of isolated behavior/evolution, and I was hesitant to imitate it on my Southern European/Middle Eastern body, but now, a little less so...
<br>:)
<br><br>oops, I posted the fourth page of the Discovery Magazine article, fixed now...I think.<br>
 
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sahein79

New member
I take the pancreaze enzymes that are prescribed for me. Some good systemic ones are sold by Hippocrates Health Institute. Take them between meals.
 
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sahein79

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I take the pancreaze enzymes that are prescribed for me. Some good systemic ones are sold by Hippocrates Health Institute. Take them between meals.
 
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