In the Name of Religion

Mockingbird

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Forgive me a little self-righteouness. This family makes me mad, too, but we have to remember by hating them we only condemn ourselves.

I found myself praying to God that He would silence them in some way. Maybe mute their words, or take their sight away, or something. As time went on, my frustration turned into hate, and I was asking God to kill them. I'm sure you all know the Bible says anyone who hates his brother in his heart is guilty before God of murder. Forgetting that, I continued to hate them until I heard one of them on the radio, where he got into a discussion about how he was praying for God to kill. It floored me that his and my prayer were exactly the same, just directed at different people.

It can be so easy to be decieved. I cannot, therefore, condemn the Phelps family, for I am guilty of the same sin. Someone said earlier that they should learn from the example of the Amish, and I agree, and being guilty of the same sin I realize I should learn from the example of the Amish as well. If the Phelps family had shown up, I'm sure the Amish would have responded by praying for them, that they would be forgiven their sin and turn back to God. My heart breaks for the Phelps family, and I do pray for them, as well as those hurt by them.

Again, forgive me a little self-righteousness, for I am only saying this because I do not want anyone to fall into the same deception that I did. I will close with a parable from Jesus, and it may sting for a lot of you on here. Please remember I am not doing it out of pride, but out of humility.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Two men went up to a temple to pray, one a pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: "God I thank you that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, aldulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get." But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, "God be merciful to me, the sinner!" I tell you this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."</end quote></div>
 

Mockingbird

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Forgive me a little self-righteouness. This family makes me mad, too, but we have to remember by hating them we only condemn ourselves.

I found myself praying to God that He would silence them in some way. Maybe mute their words, or take their sight away, or something. As time went on, my frustration turned into hate, and I was asking God to kill them. I'm sure you all know the Bible says anyone who hates his brother in his heart is guilty before God of murder. Forgetting that, I continued to hate them until I heard one of them on the radio, where he got into a discussion about how he was praying for God to kill. It floored me that his and my prayer were exactly the same, just directed at different people.

It can be so easy to be decieved. I cannot, therefore, condemn the Phelps family, for I am guilty of the same sin. Someone said earlier that they should learn from the example of the Amish, and I agree, and being guilty of the same sin I realize I should learn from the example of the Amish as well. If the Phelps family had shown up, I'm sure the Amish would have responded by praying for them, that they would be forgiven their sin and turn back to God. My heart breaks for the Phelps family, and I do pray for them, as well as those hurt by them.

Again, forgive me a little self-righteousness, for I am only saying this because I do not want anyone to fall into the same deception that I did. I will close with a parable from Jesus, and it may sting for a lot of you on here. Please remember I am not doing it out of pride, but out of humility.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Two men went up to a temple to pray, one a pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: "God I thank you that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, aldulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get." But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, "God be merciful to me, the sinner!" I tell you this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."</end quote></div>
 

Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>blackchameleon</b></i>

isnt it interesting many people say that this mobs style of belief is not what they were taught!, TAUGHT- that is the problem i see with religion, particularly the "turn or burn" bigots (thanks for that term Allie). people are TAUGHT something by strong and passionate leaders and just follow the mob like sheep. look what happens when you stop thinking for yourself and just believe without questioning -- ABSOLUTE F**KING LUNATICS HELL BENT ON DIVISION. i HATE religions that exhalt themselves above everyone else, they are for insecure and weak minded individuals.BC</end quote></div>

You are pathetic.</end quote></div>

And in light of this comment (the anonymous one), I can see I owe Black Chameleon an apology as well, since I have been a little more stern with him on the religion board than I should have. Sometimes I can get caught up in defending my own faith rather than proclaiming the word of Christ. Black Chameleon, please forgive me. Although I do not want you to misunderstand this to mean I will not continue to oppose you, but rather I will try to treat you with more respect.
 

Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>blackchameleon</b></i>

isnt it interesting many people say that this mobs style of belief is not what they were taught!, TAUGHT- that is the problem i see with religion, particularly the "turn or burn" bigots (thanks for that term Allie). people are TAUGHT something by strong and passionate leaders and just follow the mob like sheep. look what happens when you stop thinking for yourself and just believe without questioning -- ABSOLUTE F**KING LUNATICS HELL BENT ON DIVISION. i HATE religions that exhalt themselves above everyone else, they are for insecure and weak minded individuals.BC</end quote></div>

You are pathetic.</end quote></div>

And in light of this comment (the anonymous one), I can see I owe Black Chameleon an apology as well, since I have been a little more stern with him on the religion board than I should have. Sometimes I can get caught up in defending my own faith rather than proclaiming the word of Christ. Black Chameleon, please forgive me. Although I do not want you to misunderstand this to mean I will not continue to oppose you, but rather I will try to treat you with more respect.
 

Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>blackchameleon</b></i>

isnt it interesting many people say that this mobs style of belief is not what they were taught!, TAUGHT- that is the problem i see with religion, particularly the "turn or burn" bigots (thanks for that term Allie). people are TAUGHT something by strong and passionate leaders and just follow the mob like sheep. look what happens when you stop thinking for yourself and just believe without questioning -- ABSOLUTE F**KING LUNATICS HELL BENT ON DIVISION. i HATE religions that exhalt themselves above everyone else, they are for insecure and weak minded individuals.BC</end quote></div>

You are pathetic.</end quote></div>

And in light of this comment (the anonymous one), I can see I owe Black Chameleon an apology as well, since I have been a little more stern with him on the religion board than I should have. Sometimes I can get caught up in defending my own faith rather than proclaiming the word of Christ. Black Chameleon, please forgive me. Although I do not want you to misunderstand this to mean I will not continue to oppose you, but rather I will try to treat you with more respect.
 

Scottius

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mockingbird</b></i>

Forgive me a little self-righteouness. This family makes me mad, too, but we have to remember by hating them we only condemn ourselves.



I found myself praying to God that He would silence them in some way. Maybe mute their words, or take their sight away, or something. As time went on, my frustration turned into hate, and I was asking God to kill them. I'm sure you all know the Bible says anyone who hates his brother in his heart is guilty before God of murder. Forgetting that, I continued to hate them until I heard one of them on the radio, where he got into a discussion about how he was praying for God to kill. It floored me that his and my prayer were exactly the same, just directed at different people.



It can be so easy to be decieved. I cannot, therefore, condemn the Phelps family, for I am guilty of the same sin. Someone said earlier that they should learn from the example of the Amish, and I agree, and being guilty of the same sin I realize I should learn from the example of the Amish as well. If the Phelps family had shown up, I'm sure the Amish would have responded by praying for them, that they would be forgiven their sin and turn back to God. My heart breaks for the Phelps family, and I do pray for them, as well as those hurt by them.



Again, forgive me a little self-righteousness, for I am only saying this because I do not want anyone to fall into the same deception that I did. I will close with a parable from Jesus, and it may sting for a lot of you on here. Please remember I am not doing it out of pride, but out of humility.

</end quote></div>

Doesn't sound like self-righteousness at all. Sounds like you have had something of an epiphany! I've struggled with "hating the haters" and sometimes hearing yourself in their words is a wake-up call.
 

Scottius

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mockingbird</b></i>

Forgive me a little self-righteouness. This family makes me mad, too, but we have to remember by hating them we only condemn ourselves.



I found myself praying to God that He would silence them in some way. Maybe mute their words, or take their sight away, or something. As time went on, my frustration turned into hate, and I was asking God to kill them. I'm sure you all know the Bible says anyone who hates his brother in his heart is guilty before God of murder. Forgetting that, I continued to hate them until I heard one of them on the radio, where he got into a discussion about how he was praying for God to kill. It floored me that his and my prayer were exactly the same, just directed at different people.



It can be so easy to be decieved. I cannot, therefore, condemn the Phelps family, for I am guilty of the same sin. Someone said earlier that they should learn from the example of the Amish, and I agree, and being guilty of the same sin I realize I should learn from the example of the Amish as well. If the Phelps family had shown up, I'm sure the Amish would have responded by praying for them, that they would be forgiven their sin and turn back to God. My heart breaks for the Phelps family, and I do pray for them, as well as those hurt by them.



Again, forgive me a little self-righteousness, for I am only saying this because I do not want anyone to fall into the same deception that I did. I will close with a parable from Jesus, and it may sting for a lot of you on here. Please remember I am not doing it out of pride, but out of humility.

</end quote></div>

Doesn't sound like self-righteousness at all. Sounds like you have had something of an epiphany! I've struggled with "hating the haters" and sometimes hearing yourself in their words is a wake-up call.
 

Scottius

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mockingbird</b></i>

Forgive me a little self-righteouness. This family makes me mad, too, but we have to remember by hating them we only condemn ourselves.



I found myself praying to God that He would silence them in some way. Maybe mute their words, or take their sight away, or something. As time went on, my frustration turned into hate, and I was asking God to kill them. I'm sure you all know the Bible says anyone who hates his brother in his heart is guilty before God of murder. Forgetting that, I continued to hate them until I heard one of them on the radio, where he got into a discussion about how he was praying for God to kill. It floored me that his and my prayer were exactly the same, just directed at different people.



It can be so easy to be decieved. I cannot, therefore, condemn the Phelps family, for I am guilty of the same sin. Someone said earlier that they should learn from the example of the Amish, and I agree, and being guilty of the same sin I realize I should learn from the example of the Amish as well. If the Phelps family had shown up, I'm sure the Amish would have responded by praying for them, that they would be forgiven their sin and turn back to God. My heart breaks for the Phelps family, and I do pray for them, as well as those hurt by them.



Again, forgive me a little self-righteousness, for I am only saying this because I do not want anyone to fall into the same deception that I did. I will close with a parable from Jesus, and it may sting for a lot of you on here. Please remember I am not doing it out of pride, but out of humility.

</end quote></div>

Doesn't sound like self-righteousness at all. Sounds like you have had something of an epiphany! I've struggled with "hating the haters" and sometimes hearing yourself in their words is a wake-up call.
 

dyza

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I know you have freedom of speach in the USA but surely the TV/ media are under no obligation to give them airtime/ column space.
While whatching that video on fox, it occurred to me that if a large truck had lost control on that bend, and it was during winter and the road looked really icy,and ploughed sideways in to all the protesters, then half of their 'church' may have been wiped out

Just a thought.
 

dyza

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I know you have freedom of speach in the USA but surely the TV/ media are under no obligation to give them airtime/ column space.
While whatching that video on fox, it occurred to me that if a large truck had lost control on that bend, and it was during winter and the road looked really icy,and ploughed sideways in to all the protesters, then half of their 'church' may have been wiped out

Just a thought.
 

dyza

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I know you have freedom of speach in the USA but surely the TV/ media are under no obligation to give them airtime/ column space.
While whatching that video on fox, it occurred to me that if a large truck had lost control on that bend, and it was during winter and the road looked really icy,and ploughed sideways in to all the protesters, then half of their 'church' may have been wiped out

Just a thought.
 

katyf13

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This reminds me of a crazy that used to stand around at my college campus (Umass Amherst). He would hold up signs and pretty much just scream at everyone passing by that we are going to hell. I'm not sure exactly what it was that made him sure of this (I don't know if his God doesn't like college?). There was a girl who would stand sheepishly with him (a daughter? a wife?) and people would be disgusted with her. "Why doesn't she think for herself?" She was never taught to think for herself. She was never allowed to think for herself and if she did, I'm sure that there were consequences. I think the way to disarm these cults is to start with the lower members, rather than the leaders. Then again, it might be too late. It all makes my head hurt.
 

katyf13

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This reminds me of a crazy that used to stand around at my college campus (Umass Amherst). He would hold up signs and pretty much just scream at everyone passing by that we are going to hell. I'm not sure exactly what it was that made him sure of this (I don't know if his God doesn't like college?). There was a girl who would stand sheepishly with him (a daughter? a wife?) and people would be disgusted with her. "Why doesn't she think for herself?" She was never taught to think for herself. She was never allowed to think for herself and if she did, I'm sure that there were consequences. I think the way to disarm these cults is to start with the lower members, rather than the leaders. Then again, it might be too late. It all makes my head hurt.
 

katyf13

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This reminds me of a crazy that used to stand around at my college campus (Umass Amherst). He would hold up signs and pretty much just scream at everyone passing by that we are going to hell. I'm not sure exactly what it was that made him sure of this (I don't know if his God doesn't like college?). There was a girl who would stand sheepishly with him (a daughter? a wife?) and people would be disgusted with her. "Why doesn't she think for herself?" She was never taught to think for herself. She was never allowed to think for herself and if she did, I'm sure that there were consequences. I think the way to disarm these cults is to start with the lower members, rather than the leaders. Then again, it might be too late. It all makes my head hurt.
 
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