Legally married versus ceremonial marriage

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julie

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This is why everyone, married or not, needs to have an advanced directive and a living will. You can do your own will online for FREE, or most lawyers do them for about $150.
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AnnieT

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>robocoastie</b></i>

"Legal Marriage" didn't come about until after the American Civil War. It was created as part of segregation to keep whites from marrying blacks. Prior to that there was NEVER any government license to be married required. It was ceremony only recognized if it was conducted by Clergy, Justice of the Peace, or Captain of a ship.

Therefore, the misinterpretations and out of context bible references have zero bearing on marriage at all. And for those who think it's a sin otherwise blah blah, remember the bible, specifically the so called "Old Testament" was written as instructions for ONE tribe of people - Israel, if you are a believer in their god then you must go to the source - the Jewish people who will tell you that OTHER believers in their god have very very very few rules to follow and they are called the Seven Noahide Laws none of which have anything to do with paying the government for permission to get married either.

When you start to understand this and actually research the so called Old Testament and Judaism you can see why they have a hard time with christianity especially modern christianity.

There's also the fact that the planet has billions of people on it from hundreds of nations the vast majority of whom have their own gods (which the OT btw does not deny exist nor condemns unless you are an Israelite, in fact it supports that they do).

So in short, take the religious argument and stuff it because the requirements about "marriage" in your religion only apply to YOU.</end quote></div>

 Oh goodness. This is now, turning entirely off-topic.
 
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AnnieT

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>robocoastie</b></i>

"Legal Marriage" didn't come about until after the American Civil War. It was created as part of segregation to keep whites from marrying blacks. Prior to that there was NEVER any government license to be married required. It was ceremony only recognized if it was conducted by Clergy, Justice of the Peace, or Captain of a ship.

Therefore, the misinterpretations and out of context bible references have zero bearing on marriage at all. And for those who think it's a sin otherwise blah blah, remember the bible, specifically the so called "Old Testament" was written as instructions for ONE tribe of people - Israel, if you are a believer in their god then you must go to the source - the Jewish people who will tell you that OTHER believers in their god have very very very few rules to follow and they are called the Seven Noahide Laws none of which have anything to do with paying the government for permission to get married either.

When you start to understand this and actually research the so called Old Testament and Judaism you can see why they have a hard time with christianity especially modern christianity.

There's also the fact that the planet has billions of people on it from hundreds of nations the vast majority of whom have their own gods (which the OT btw does not deny exist nor condemns unless you are an Israelite, in fact it supports that they do).

So in short, take the religious argument and stuff it because the requirements about "marriage" in your religion only apply to YOU.</end quote>

Oh goodness. This is now, turning entirely off-topic.
 
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AnnieT

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<p><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>robocoastie</b></i>

"Legal Marriage" didn't come about until after the American Civil War. It was created as part of segregation to keep whites from marrying blacks. Prior to that there was NEVER any government license to be married required. It was ceremony only recognized if it was conducted by Clergy, Justice of the Peace, or Captain of a ship.

Therefore, the misinterpretations and out of context bible references have zero bearing on marriage at all. And for those who think it's a sin otherwise blah blah, remember the bible, specifically the so called "Old Testament" was written as instructions for ONE tribe of people - Israel, if you are a believer in their god then you must go to the source - the Jewish people who will tell you that OTHER believers in their god have very very very few rules to follow and they are called the Seven Noahide Laws none of which have anything to do with paying the government for permission to get married either.

When you start to understand this and actually research the so called Old Testament and Judaism you can see why they have a hard time with christianity especially modern christianity.

There's also the fact that the planet has billions of people on it from hundreds of nations the vast majority of whom have their own gods (which the OT btw does not deny exist nor condemns unless you are an Israelite, in fact it supports that they do).

So in short, take the religious argument and stuff it because the requirements about "marriage" in your religion only apply to YOU.</end quote>

<p><p>Oh goodness. This is now, turning entirely off-topic.
 
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musclemania70

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It doesn't matter the history of marriage. When you are in a coma, they don't ask you what the history of marriage is, and why you chose not to marry. They simply ask, who is the legal guardian and power of attorney.
The state recognizes marriage as a way to make it easier when it comes time to divide money, benefits, guardianship, ect....these are all VERY IMPORTANT issues that are resolved when you seek a legal marriage.

if you opt out of the legal marriage, be VERY PREPARED for others (extended family) to fight for what should be going to someone else. it may not matter very much now, but when $hit hits the fan, it is going to be hard to prove your case unless you are PREPARED. Go see a lawyer if you haven't already.
 
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musclemania70

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It doesn't matter the history of marriage. When you are in a coma, they don't ask you what the history of marriage is, and why you chose not to marry. They simply ask, who is the legal guardian and power of attorney.
The state recognizes marriage as a way to make it easier when it comes time to divide money, benefits, guardianship, ect....these are all VERY IMPORTANT issues that are resolved when you seek a legal marriage.

if you opt out of the legal marriage, be VERY PREPARED for others (extended family) to fight for what should be going to someone else. it may not matter very much now, but when $hit hits the fan, it is going to be hard to prove your case unless you are PREPARED. Go see a lawyer if you haven't already.
 
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musclemania70

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It doesn't matter the history of marriage. When you are in a coma, they don't ask you what the history of marriage is, and why you chose not to marry. They simply ask, who is the legal guardian and power of attorney.
<br />The state recognizes marriage as a way to make it easier when it comes time to divide money, benefits, guardianship, ect....these are all VERY IMPORTANT issues that are resolved when you seek a legal marriage.
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<br />if you opt out of the legal marriage, be VERY PREPARED for others (extended family) to fight for what should be going to someone else. it may not matter very much now, but when $hit hits the fan, it is going to be hard to prove your case unless you are PREPARED. Go see a lawyer if you haven't already.
 
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AnnieT

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>redheadedmommy</b></i>

How do you know when your ready ?</end quote></div>

Ready for what? Marriage? That is a deeply personal decision. If you are second guessing on a message board then you aren't ready IMHO.
 
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AnnieT

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>redheadedmommy</b></i>

How do you know when your ready ?</end quote>

Ready for what? Marriage? That is a deeply personal decision. If you are second guessing on a message board then you aren't ready IMHO.
 
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AnnieT

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<p><div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>redheadedmommy</b></i>

How do you know when your ready ?</end quote>

<p>Ready for what? Marriage? That is a deeply personal decision. If you are second guessing on a message board then you aren't ready IMHO.
 
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schmj4910

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I have been giving this post a lot of thought lately. In all honesty, I've been trying to avoid it and forget about it, seeing that it is a heated topic. But, I just need to add a different perspective...please don't send me any hate mail... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Let's consider a simple explanation of why Medicare/Medicaid was started...to help those who could not afford health care. If you are unable to work due to a disability, then you would not be able to afford health care and would be eligible for Medicare. But when someone works (and makes enough money) they are able to afford health care. Government subsidies should be used as a last resort.

If you are living with someone, regardless of marriage, you pool your money together to pay the bills. Why should government subsidies not take into consideration all of the income of the household? Personally, I have never heard of a program that looks only at a single person's income rather than the household income. Are those of you "not legally married" people just reporting that you live alone? That seems like a manipulation of "the system".

I would say that you're smart to get everything straightened out before marriage. This is such a hard topic to discuss because I can see both sides of it. It kind of boils down to morals and ethics. I guess you just have to think about how you want to live your life.

It is kind of like doing your taxes...sure there are a lot of ways to get more money back...
 
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schmj4910

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I have been giving this post a lot of thought lately. In all honesty, I've been trying to avoid it and forget about it, seeing that it is a heated topic. But, I just need to add a different perspective...please don't send me any hate mail... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Let's consider a simple explanation of why Medicare/Medicaid was started...to help those who could not afford health care. If you are unable to work due to a disability, then you would not be able to afford health care and would be eligible for Medicare. But when someone works (and makes enough money) they are able to afford health care. Government subsidies should be used as a last resort.

If you are living with someone, regardless of marriage, you pool your money together to pay the bills. Why should government subsidies not take into consideration all of the income of the household? Personally, I have never heard of a program that looks only at a single person's income rather than the household income. Are those of you "not legally married" people just reporting that you live alone? That seems like a manipulation of "the system".

I would say that you're smart to get everything straightened out before marriage. This is such a hard topic to discuss because I can see both sides of it. It kind of boils down to morals and ethics. I guess you just have to think about how you want to live your life.

It is kind of like doing your taxes...sure there are a lot of ways to get more money back...
 
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schmj4910

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I have been giving this post a lot of thought lately. In all honesty, I've been trying to avoid it and forget about it, seeing that it is a heated topic. But, I just need to add a different perspective...please don't send me any hate mail... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
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<br />Let's consider a simple explanation of why Medicare/Medicaid was started...to help those who could not afford health care. If you are unable to work due to a disability, then you would not be able to afford health care and would be eligible for Medicare. But when someone works (and makes enough money) they are able to afford health care. Government subsidies should be used as a last resort.
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<br />If you are living with someone, regardless of marriage, you pool your money together to pay the bills. Why should government subsidies not take into consideration all of the income of the household? Personally, I have never heard of a program that looks only at a single person's income rather than the household income. Are those of you "not legally married" people just reporting that you live alone? That seems like a manipulation of "the system".
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<br />I would say that you're smart to get everything straightened out before marriage. This is such a hard topic to discuss because I can see both sides of it. It kind of boils down to morals and ethics. I guess you just have to think about how you want to live your life.
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<br />It is kind of like doing your taxes...sure there are a lot of ways to get more money back...
 
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