Those who live out of U.S. with Socialized Medicine

[Joanne]

Socialized medicine is so mistaken for many. It is NOT FREE!!! You pay through taxes and you pay more than the U.S.

There are some treatments in Canada which are not available as quickly as in the U.S. The Vest... I would love to hear from those in Canada who have a vest, or tried to get one and they are stilll waiting. My friends in Canada complain about this all the time. Also to see a specialist takes a long time.

I am not a fan and never will be.

Joanne Schum
luckylungsforjo@aol.com

 

[Joanne]

Socialized medicine is so mistaken for many. It is NOT FREE!!! You pay through taxes and you pay more than the U.S.

There are some treatments in Canada which are not available as quickly as in the U.S. The Vest... I would love to hear from those in Canada who have a vest, or tried to get one and they are stilll waiting. My friends in Canada complain about this all the time. Also to see a specialist takes a long time.

I am not a fan and never will be.

Joanne Schum
luckylungsforjo@aol.com

 

[Joanne]

Socialized medicine is so mistaken for many. It is NOT FREE!!! You pay through taxes and you pay more than the U.S.

There are some treatments in Canada which are not available as quickly as in the U.S. The Vest... I would love to hear from those in Canada who have a vest, or tried to get one and they are stilll waiting. My friends in Canada complain about this all the time. Also to see a specialist takes a long time.

I am not a fan and never will be.

Joanne Schum
luckylungsforjo@aol.com

 

[Joanne]

Socialized medicine is so mistaken for many. It is NOT FREE!!! You pay through taxes and you pay more than the U.S.

There are some treatments in Canada which are not available as quickly as in the U.S. The Vest... I would love to hear from those in Canada who have a vest, or tried to get one and they are stilll waiting. My friends in Canada complain about this all the time. Also to see a specialist takes a long time.

I am not a fan and never will be.

Joanne Schum
luckylungsforjo@aol.com

 

[Joanne]

Socialized medicine is so mistaken for many. It is NOT FREE!!! You pay through taxes and you pay more than the U.S.

There are some treatments in Canada which are not available as quickly as in the U.S. The Vest... I would love to hear from those in Canada who have a vest, or tried to get one and they are stilll waiting. My friends in Canada complain about this all the time. Also to see a specialist takes a long time.

I am not a fan and never will be.

Joanne Schum
luckylungsforjo@aol.com

 

[shamrock]

Lynda

I was taking an extreme example by saying YOU pay taxes for some perosn who doesn't work.

That's the attitude that seems to be taken from where I'm sitting. However, if you look on this site, there are many people who are grateful of help to help pay for their transplants and care. Why should they have to pay? I was brought to another country and had my transplant there, it didn't cost my family a penny. And yet there are people here who have had transplants in their own country who struggle to make ends meet in terms of paying. You shouldn't have to proove you can pay for your own health in order to receive treatment -bottom line. As Emily said, it's disgusting.

Yes, we pay taxes, but we pay a lot less relative to the $$$$$s we would have to pay for our medications. Where we live, if you have the money to do so you go private; if you don't you go public. You still get treated.

Someone wrote something great in relation to this on another forum I read:

"Doesn't government in the USA provide firemen, policemen and such to the service for their citizens?
Why not doctors? What is so special about doctors?"

 

[shamrock]

Lynda

I was taking an extreme example by saying YOU pay taxes for some perosn who doesn't work.

That's the attitude that seems to be taken from where I'm sitting. However, if you look on this site, there are many people who are grateful of help to help pay for their transplants and care. Why should they have to pay? I was brought to another country and had my transplant there, it didn't cost my family a penny. And yet there are people here who have had transplants in their own country who struggle to make ends meet in terms of paying. You shouldn't have to proove you can pay for your own health in order to receive treatment -bottom line. As Emily said, it's disgusting.

Yes, we pay taxes, but we pay a lot less relative to the $$$$$s we would have to pay for our medications. Where we live, if you have the money to do so you go private; if you don't you go public. You still get treated.

Someone wrote something great in relation to this on another forum I read:

"Doesn't government in the USA provide firemen, policemen and such to the service for their citizens?
Why not doctors? What is so special about doctors?"

 

[shamrock]

Lynda

I was taking an extreme example by saying YOU pay taxes for some perosn who doesn't work.

That's the attitude that seems to be taken from where I'm sitting. However, if you look on this site, there are many people who are grateful of help to help pay for their transplants and care. Why should they have to pay? I was brought to another country and had my transplant there, it didn't cost my family a penny. And yet there are people here who have had transplants in their own country who struggle to make ends meet in terms of paying. You shouldn't have to proove you can pay for your own health in order to receive treatment -bottom line. As Emily said, it's disgusting.

Yes, we pay taxes, but we pay a lot less relative to the $$$$$s we would have to pay for our medications. Where we live, if you have the money to do so you go private; if you don't you go public. You still get treated.

Someone wrote something great in relation to this on another forum I read:

"Doesn't government in the USA provide firemen, policemen and such to the service for their citizens?
Why not doctors? What is so special about doctors?"

 

[shamrock]

Lynda

I was taking an extreme example by saying YOU pay taxes for some perosn who doesn't work.

That's the attitude that seems to be taken from where I'm sitting. However, if you look on this site, there are many people who are grateful of help to help pay for their transplants and care. Why should they have to pay? I was brought to another country and had my transplant there, it didn't cost my family a penny. And yet there are people here who have had transplants in their own country who struggle to make ends meet in terms of paying. You shouldn't have to proove you can pay for your own health in order to receive treatment -bottom line. As Emily said, it's disgusting.

Yes, we pay taxes, but we pay a lot less relative to the $$$$$s we would have to pay for our medications. Where we live, if you have the money to do so you go private; if you don't you go public. You still get treated.

Someone wrote something great in relation to this on another forum I read:

"Doesn't government in the USA provide firemen, policemen and such to the service for their citizens?
Why not doctors? What is so special about doctors?"

 

[shamrock]

Lynda

I was taking an extreme example by saying YOU pay taxes for some perosn who doesn't work.

That's the attitude that seems to be taken from where I'm sitting. However, if you look on this site, there are many people who are grateful of help to help pay for their transplants and care. Why should they have to pay? I was brought to another country and had my transplant there, it didn't cost my family a penny. And yet there are people here who have had transplants in their own country who struggle to make ends meet in terms of paying. You shouldn't have to proove you can pay for your own health in order to receive treatment -bottom line. As Emily said, it's disgusting.

Yes, we pay taxes, but we pay a lot less relative to the $$$$$s we would have to pay for our medications. Where we live, if you have the money to do so you go private; if you don't you go public. You still get treated.

Someone wrote something great in relation to this on another forum I read:

"Doesn't government in the USA provide firemen, policemen and such to the service for their citizens?
Why not doctors? What is so special about doctors?"

 

[65rosessamurai]

Just don't come out here to live....the socialized insurance is WAY better than the U.S. AND Canada (or at least equivalent), but has absolutely NO CF support....and some things that are needed are not covered by the insurance...also, there is a need for additional insurance coverage from other companies, but you have to be risk-free, first. (no stipulation on "pre-condition", but does ask about the past 5 year history).
As for making the U.S. health insurance "social insurance", it would be impossible with all those other insurance companies making the big bucks...they probably control the insurance industry by now! Social insurance would probably cause them all to go bankrupt, or barely float to conform to the new "social insurance act" which would probably also go downhill in a ten year period...
Also, before the "social insurance act" is to be put into effect, all those tax-payer embezzzelments and frauds would have to be cleaned up so your taxes don't have to be increased!!
In the end, you'd probably end up spending the same amount for insurance, anyway...

 

[65rosessamurai]

Just don't come out here to live....the socialized insurance is WAY better than the U.S. AND Canada (or at least equivalent), but has absolutely NO CF support....and some things that are needed are not covered by the insurance...also, there is a need for additional insurance coverage from other companies, but you have to be risk-free, first. (no stipulation on "pre-condition", but does ask about the past 5 year history).
As for making the U.S. health insurance "social insurance", it would be impossible with all those other insurance companies making the big bucks...they probably control the insurance industry by now! Social insurance would probably cause them all to go bankrupt, or barely float to conform to the new "social insurance act" which would probably also go downhill in a ten year period...
Also, before the "social insurance act" is to be put into effect, all those tax-payer embezzzelments and frauds would have to be cleaned up so your taxes don't have to be increased!!
In the end, you'd probably end up spending the same amount for insurance, anyway...

 

[65rosessamurai]

Just don't come out here to live....the socialized insurance is WAY better than the U.S. AND Canada (or at least equivalent), but has absolutely NO CF support....and some things that are needed are not covered by the insurance...also, there is a need for additional insurance coverage from other companies, but you have to be risk-free, first. (no stipulation on "pre-condition", but does ask about the past 5 year history).
As for making the U.S. health insurance "social insurance", it would be impossible with all those other insurance companies making the big bucks...they probably control the insurance industry by now! Social insurance would probably cause them all to go bankrupt, or barely float to conform to the new "social insurance act" which would probably also go downhill in a ten year period...
Also, before the "social insurance act" is to be put into effect, all those tax-payer embezzzelments and frauds would have to be cleaned up so your taxes don't have to be increased!!
In the end, you'd probably end up spending the same amount for insurance, anyway...

 

[65rosessamurai]

Just don't come out here to live....the socialized insurance is WAY better than the U.S. AND Canada (or at least equivalent), but has absolutely NO CF support....and some things that are needed are not covered by the insurance...also, there is a need for additional insurance coverage from other companies, but you have to be risk-free, first. (no stipulation on "pre-condition", but does ask about the past 5 year history).
As for making the U.S. health insurance "social insurance", it would be impossible with all those other insurance companies making the big bucks...they probably control the insurance industry by now! Social insurance would probably cause them all to go bankrupt, or barely float to conform to the new "social insurance act" which would probably also go downhill in a ten year period...
Also, before the "social insurance act" is to be put into effect, all those tax-payer embezzzelments and frauds would have to be cleaned up so your taxes don't have to be increased!!
In the end, you'd probably end up spending the same amount for insurance, anyway...

 

[65rosessamurai]

Just don't come out here to live....the socialized insurance is WAY better than the U.S. AND Canada (or at least equivalent), but has absolutely NO CF support....and some things that are needed are not covered by the insurance...also, there is a need for additional insurance coverage from other companies, but you have to be risk-free, first. (no stipulation on "pre-condition", but does ask about the past 5 year history).
As for making the U.S. health insurance "social insurance", it would be impossible with all those other insurance companies making the big bucks...they probably control the insurance industry by now! Social insurance would probably cause them all to go bankrupt, or barely float to conform to the new "social insurance act" which would probably also go downhill in a ten year period...
Also, before the "social insurance act" is to be put into effect, all those tax-payer embezzzelments and frauds would have to be cleaned up so your taxes don't have to be increased!!
In the end, you'd probably end up spending the same amount for insurance, anyway...

 

[NoExcuses]

The DMV.

The Post Office.

Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.


The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.

Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.

And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.


What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.

I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.

 

[NoExcuses]

The DMV.

The Post Office.

Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.


The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.

Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.

And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.


What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.

I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.

 

[NoExcuses]

The DMV.

The Post Office.

Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.


The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.

Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.

And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.


What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.

I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.

 

[NoExcuses]

The DMV.

The Post Office.

Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.


The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.

Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.

And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.


What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.

I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.

 

[NoExcuses]

The DMV.

The Post Office.

Those responsible for evacuations prior to Katrina.


The government isn't very good at running things. There is no accountability.

Ask yourself what the life expectancy differences are in the US versus Canada versus Australia versus the UK for CF patients. It's quite different and there's a reason.

And ask yourself how comfortable you would be without access to the Vest.


What will fix the system is not eliminating insurance companies. But instead making the patient the customer. Right now the majority of Americans have health insurance through their employers. If the patient is mad, they don't have a choice other than to complain to HR about the insurance company. If patients were truly the customer rather than the employers, accountability would skyrocket.

I have no issue with the government giving each citizen a few hundred bucks to pay for health insurance. That's reasonable. But to have the government running it? If you like the DMV and the Post Office, then you will like socialized medicine. Just ask all the Canadians that come across the border for healthcare here.