To Solo

Solo · Dec 31, 2008

Terri, I'm not the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be. I'm against certain socialistic programs (i.e. minimum wage, as it will cause inflation) and I have first hand witness how lazy certain people are. And while medical care should be free in a utopian society, we are far from it. The truth of the matter is that those who abuse the free medical care would probably be the lazy ones who wouldn't work. For instance, I have worked by myself on a huge truck, lifting 31 x 10.5 tires while 3 slackers stand around chatting like little catholic school girls. Now for one that is blatant theft of company time, and another I am working my ass off and others aren't doing anything. Now I make more money, but the difference is miniscule. It is the principle that no successful enterprise can be undertaken unless everybody subscribes to the same train of thought.

But there is a distinct difference between free and AFORDABLE. I do believe that health care should be much, much more affordable then it currently is. My health care at wal-mart takes about 1/3 of my paycheck, and that is a distinctive point of why unions are an imperative aspect. Neither Lazzez Faire capitalism nor Socialism will work, our only hope is to tweak what we have now and that is the best of both worlds.

Now it's funny how Republithugs always seem to pass the buck to the lowest man on the totem pole; they unashamedly blame the unions for the failure of the auto industry. Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Terri you seem to be so against this. Organization is the only weapon employees have to ward off hostile employers. Unions protect employees from the harsh, thug-like capitalistic credo of our country that has given rise to the American dream but squashed the dreams of others while trying to climb the ladder of that same " American dream" that it created. If it were not for unions we would surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution in which there were 18 hour work days and Americans would surely get paid like illegal immigrants, and whose to say you wouldn't be working next to a 10 year old? But I think with unions in place, America and the markets can work as 1 where everybody is happy.

Now while I'm pro-union, I don't necessarily think that all union organization is a good thing. If the union gets too big and the workers demand more, they can kiss they're jobs good-bye. That's why there must be a compromise. But I fear that unless we organize at Wal-Mart, our treatment will never change. Management won't ever part with money unless they're forced. We employees are only asking for a few more bread crumbs, as I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid. Now I can rant for pages on how our treatment is unfair, but right now I don't have the time to dwelve into that. Remember, unions are the backbone of America!

Solo · Dec 31, 2008

Terri, I'm not the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be. I'm against certain socialistic programs (i.e. minimum wage, as it will cause inflation) and I have first hand witness how lazy certain people are. And while medical care should be free in a utopian society, we are far from it. The truth of the matter is that those who abuse the free medical care would probably be the lazy ones who wouldn't work. For instance, I have worked by myself on a huge truck, lifting 31 x 10.5 tires while 3 slackers stand around chatting like little catholic school girls. Now for one that is blatant theft of company time, and another I am working my ass off and others aren't doing anything. Now I make more money, but the difference is miniscule. It is the principle that no successful enterprise can be undertaken unless everybody subscribes to the same train of thought.

But there is a distinct difference between free and AFORDABLE. I do believe that health care should be much, much more affordable then it currently is. My health care at wal-mart takes about 1/3 of my paycheck, and that is a distinctive point of why unions are an imperative aspect. Neither Lazzez Faire capitalism nor Socialism will work, our only hope is to tweak what we have now and that is the best of both worlds.

Now it's funny how Republithugs always seem to pass the buck to the lowest man on the totem pole; they unashamedly blame the unions for the failure of the auto industry. Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Terri you seem to be so against this. Organization is the only weapon employees have to ward off hostile employers. Unions protect employees from the harsh, thug-like capitalistic credo of our country that has given rise to the American dream but squashed the dreams of others while trying to climb the ladder of that same " American dream" that it created. If it were not for unions we would surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution in which there were 18 hour work days and Americans would surely get paid like illegal immigrants, and whose to say you wouldn't be working next to a 10 year old? But I think with unions in place, America and the markets can work as 1 where everybody is happy.

Now while I'm pro-union, I don't necessarily think that all union organization is a good thing. If the union gets too big and the workers demand more, they can kiss they're jobs good-bye. That's why there must be a compromise. But I fear that unless we organize at Wal-Mart, our treatment will never change. Management won't ever part with money unless they're forced. We employees are only asking for a few more bread crumbs, as I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid. Now I can rant for pages on how our treatment is unfair, but right now I don't have the time to dwelve into that. Remember, unions are the backbone of America!

Solo · Dec 31, 2008

Terri, I'm not the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be. I'm against certain socialistic programs (i.e. minimum wage, as it will cause inflation) and I have first hand witness how lazy certain people are. And while medical care should be free in a utopian society, we are far from it. The truth of the matter is that those who abuse the free medical care would probably be the lazy ones who wouldn't work. For instance, I have worked by myself on a huge truck, lifting 31 x 10.5 tires while 3 slackers stand around chatting like little catholic school girls. Now for one that is blatant theft of company time, and another I am working my ass off and others aren't doing anything. Now I make more money, but the difference is miniscule. It is the principle that no successful enterprise can be undertaken unless everybody subscribes to the same train of thought.

But there is a distinct difference between free and AFORDABLE. I do believe that health care should be much, much more affordable then it currently is. My health care at wal-mart takes about 1/3 of my paycheck, and that is a distinctive point of why unions are an imperative aspect. Neither Lazzez Faire capitalism nor Socialism will work, our only hope is to tweak what we have now and that is the best of both worlds.

Now it's funny how Republithugs always seem to pass the buck to the lowest man on the totem pole; they unashamedly blame the unions for the failure of the auto industry. Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Terri you seem to be so against this. Organization is the only weapon employees have to ward off hostile employers. Unions protect employees from the harsh, thug-like capitalistic credo of our country that has given rise to the American dream but squashed the dreams of others while trying to climb the ladder of that same " American dream" that it created. If it were not for unions we would surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution in which there were 18 hour work days and Americans would surely get paid like illegal immigrants, and whose to say you wouldn't be working next to a 10 year old? But I think with unions in place, America and the markets can work as 1 where everybody is happy.

Now while I'm pro-union, I don't necessarily think that all union organization is a good thing. If the union gets too big and the workers demand more, they can kiss they're jobs good-bye. That's why there must be a compromise. But I fear that unless we organize at Wal-Mart, our treatment will never change. Management won't ever part with money unless they're forced. We employees are only asking for a few more bread crumbs, as I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid. Now I can rant for pages on how our treatment is unfair, but right now I don't have the time to dwelve into that. Remember, unions are the backbone of America!

Solo · Dec 31, 2008

Terri, I'm not the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be. I'm against certain socialistic programs (i.e. minimum wage, as it will cause inflation) and I have first hand witness how lazy certain people are. And while medical care should be free in a utopian society, we are far from it. The truth of the matter is that those who abuse the free medical care would probably be the lazy ones who wouldn't work. For instance, I have worked by myself on a huge truck, lifting 31 x 10.5 tires while 3 slackers stand around chatting like little catholic school girls. Now for one that is blatant theft of company time, and another I am working my ass off and others aren't doing anything. Now I make more money, but the difference is miniscule. It is the principle that no successful enterprise can be undertaken unless everybody subscribes to the same train of thought.

But there is a distinct difference between free and AFORDABLE. I do believe that health care should be much, much more affordable then it currently is. My health care at wal-mart takes about 1/3 of my paycheck, and that is a distinctive point of why unions are an imperative aspect. Neither Lazzez Faire capitalism nor Socialism will work, our only hope is to tweak what we have now and that is the best of both worlds.

Now it's funny how Republithugs always seem to pass the buck to the lowest man on the totem pole; they unashamedly blame the unions for the failure of the auto industry. Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Terri you seem to be so against this. Organization is the only weapon employees have to ward off hostile employers. Unions protect employees from the harsh, thug-like capitalistic credo of our country that has given rise to the American dream but squashed the dreams of others while trying to climb the ladder of that same " American dream" that it created. If it were not for unions we would surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution in which there were 18 hour work days and Americans would surely get paid like illegal immigrants, and whose to say you wouldn't be working next to a 10 year old? But I think with unions in place, America and the markets can work as 1 where everybody is happy.

Now while I'm pro-union, I don't necessarily think that all union organization is a good thing. If the union gets too big and the workers demand more, they can kiss they're jobs good-bye. That's why there must be a compromise. But I fear that unless we organize at Wal-Mart, our treatment will never change. Management won't ever part with money unless they're forced. We employees are only asking for a few more bread crumbs, as I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid. Now I can rant for pages on how our treatment is unfair, but right now I don't have the time to dwelve into that. Remember, unions are the backbone of America!

Solo · Dec 31, 2008

Terri, I'm not the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be. I'm against certain socialistic programs (i.e. minimum wage, as it will cause inflation) and I have first hand witness how lazy certain people are. And while medical care should be free in a utopian society, we are far from it. The truth of the matter is that those who abuse the free medical care would probably be the lazy ones who wouldn't work. For instance, I have worked by myself on a huge truck, lifting 31 x 10.5 tires while 3 slackers stand around chatting like little catholic school girls. Now for one that is blatant theft of company time, and another I am working my ass off and others aren't doing anything. Now I make more money, but the difference is miniscule. It is the principle that no successful enterprise can be undertaken unless everybody subscribes to the same train of thought.
 
 
 
 
 But there is a distinct difference between free and AFORDABLE. I do believe that health care should be much, much more affordable then it currently is. My health care at wal-mart takes about 1/3 of my paycheck, and that is a distinctive point of why unions are an imperative aspect. Neither Lazzez Faire capitalism nor Socialism will work, our only hope is to tweak what we have now and that is the best of both worlds.
 
 Now it's funny how Republithugs always seem to pass the buck to the lowest man on the totem pole; they unashamedly blame the unions for the failure of the auto industry. Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Terri you seem to be so against this. Organization is the only weapon employees have to ward off hostile employers. Unions protect employees from the harsh, thug-like capitalistic credo of our country that has given rise to the American dream but squashed the dreams of others while trying to climb the ladder of that same " American dream" that it created. If it were not for unions we would surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution in which there were 18 hour work days and Americans would surely get paid like illegal immigrants, and whose to say you wouldn't be working next to a 10 year old? But I think with unions in place, America and the markets can work as 1 where everybody is happy.
 
 Now while I'm pro-union, I don't necessarily think that all union organization is a good thing. If the union gets too big and the workers demand more, they can kiss they're jobs good-bye. That's why there must be a compromise. But I fear that unless we organize at Wal-Mart, our treatment will never change. Management won't ever part with money unless they're forced. We employees are only asking for a few more bread crumbs, as I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid. Now I can rant for pages on how our treatment is unfair, but right now I don't have the time to dwelve into that. Remember, unions are the backbone of America!

robert321 · Jan 1, 2009

first of all, and please excuse this but i found it funny;
"I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid." isn't that the basic difference between slavery and a job is to get paid for your work? so isn't it basically the difference between everyone's job and slavery is that they get paid for their work?

"Republithugs" - now aren't you just real creative

In regards to your comment about working alongside a 10 year old, you see, there was thing, signed a long time ago called the Fair Labor Standards Act that made child labor illegal. Funny, you must have fallen asleep that day in school because that same thing is what created your minimum wages so, well, you won't be paid like an illegal immigrant, and if you do work an 18 hour day, you'll get your time and half overtime wages. So, we won't "surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution"

As for the auto maker unions, they've got the automakers hands tied, they can't pay their workers the $10 an hour that they should be earning because they'll strike, and still expect to be paid. An average auto machanic, fixing parts on cars that break, which is far more difficult than sitting there pressing the buttons on the hydrolic machine that origionally installed the part, makes easily half what the guy in detroit is making and doesn't usually have the benifits of the detroit workers either. What the unions have ratcheted up to is rediculus! but you are right, the workers couldn't have done it without the union so next time you go buy a domestic car, just think of that worker whose salery you're paying while you sign that 25000 loan paper. But hey, you could always just buy imports, then you're paying that extra money to the government for import taxes. so yes, i will blame the unions for the failure of the American auto industry.

Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Shane, you seem to be so for this. While organization is always a good thing, this capitalistic country is built on free trade, so undermining that is going straight for the foundation of this country and it shows in Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Labor unions may indeed start as a movement to get fair treatment, just as the Industrial Workers of the World did so many years ago, but alas, they all eventually turn into the I Won't Work union.

"America and the markets can work as 1" - really? but i thought you weren't "the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be"

robert321 · Jan 1, 2009

first of all, and please excuse this but i found it funny;
"I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid." isn't that the basic difference between slavery and a job is to get paid for your work? so isn't it basically the difference between everyone's job and slavery is that they get paid for their work?

"Republithugs" - now aren't you just real creative

In regards to your comment about working alongside a 10 year old, you see, there was thing, signed a long time ago called the Fair Labor Standards Act that made child labor illegal. Funny, you must have fallen asleep that day in school because that same thing is what created your minimum wages so, well, you won't be paid like an illegal immigrant, and if you do work an 18 hour day, you'll get your time and half overtime wages. So, we won't "surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution"

As for the auto maker unions, they've got the automakers hands tied, they can't pay their workers the $10 an hour that they should be earning because they'll strike, and still expect to be paid. An average auto machanic, fixing parts on cars that break, which is far more difficult than sitting there pressing the buttons on the hydrolic machine that origionally installed the part, makes easily half what the guy in detroit is making and doesn't usually have the benifits of the detroit workers either. What the unions have ratcheted up to is rediculus! but you are right, the workers couldn't have done it without the union so next time you go buy a domestic car, just think of that worker whose salery you're paying while you sign that 25000 loan paper. But hey, you could always just buy imports, then you're paying that extra money to the government for import taxes. so yes, i will blame the unions for the failure of the American auto industry.

Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Shane, you seem to be so for this. While organization is always a good thing, this capitalistic country is built on free trade, so undermining that is going straight for the foundation of this country and it shows in Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Labor unions may indeed start as a movement to get fair treatment, just as the Industrial Workers of the World did so many years ago, but alas, they all eventually turn into the I Won't Work union.

"America and the markets can work as 1" - really? but i thought you weren't "the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be"

robert321 · Jan 1, 2009

first of all, and please excuse this but i found it funny;
"I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid." isn't that the basic difference between slavery and a job is to get paid for your work? so isn't it basically the difference between everyone's job and slavery is that they get paid for their work?

"Republithugs" - now aren't you just real creative

In regards to your comment about working alongside a 10 year old, you see, there was thing, signed a long time ago called the Fair Labor Standards Act that made child labor illegal. Funny, you must have fallen asleep that day in school because that same thing is what created your minimum wages so, well, you won't be paid like an illegal immigrant, and if you do work an 18 hour day, you'll get your time and half overtime wages. So, we won't "surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution"

As for the auto maker unions, they've got the automakers hands tied, they can't pay their workers the $10 an hour that they should be earning because they'll strike, and still expect to be paid. An average auto machanic, fixing parts on cars that break, which is far more difficult than sitting there pressing the buttons on the hydrolic machine that origionally installed the part, makes easily half what the guy in detroit is making and doesn't usually have the benifits of the detroit workers either. What the unions have ratcheted up to is rediculus! but you are right, the workers couldn't have done it without the union so next time you go buy a domestic car, just think of that worker whose salery you're paying while you sign that 25000 loan paper. But hey, you could always just buy imports, then you're paying that extra money to the government for import taxes. so yes, i will blame the unions for the failure of the American auto industry.

Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Shane, you seem to be so for this. While organization is always a good thing, this capitalistic country is built on free trade, so undermining that is going straight for the foundation of this country and it shows in Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Labor unions may indeed start as a movement to get fair treatment, just as the Industrial Workers of the World did so many years ago, but alas, they all eventually turn into the I Won't Work union.

"America and the markets can work as 1" - really? but i thought you weren't "the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be"

robert321 · Jan 1, 2009

first of all, and please excuse this but i found it funny;
"I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid." isn't that the basic difference between slavery and a job is to get paid for your work? so isn't it basically the difference between everyone's job and slavery is that they get paid for their work?

"Republithugs" - now aren't you just real creative

In regards to your comment about working alongside a 10 year old, you see, there was thing, signed a long time ago called the Fair Labor Standards Act that made child labor illegal. Funny, you must have fallen asleep that day in school because that same thing is what created your minimum wages so, well, you won't be paid like an illegal immigrant, and if you do work an 18 hour day, you'll get your time and half overtime wages. So, we won't "surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution"

As for the auto maker unions, they've got the automakers hands tied, they can't pay their workers the $10 an hour that they should be earning because they'll strike, and still expect to be paid. An average auto machanic, fixing parts on cars that break, which is far more difficult than sitting there pressing the buttons on the hydrolic machine that origionally installed the part, makes easily half what the guy in detroit is making and doesn't usually have the benifits of the detroit workers either. What the unions have ratcheted up to is rediculus! but you are right, the workers couldn't have done it without the union so next time you go buy a domestic car, just think of that worker whose salery you're paying while you sign that 25000 loan paper. But hey, you could always just buy imports, then you're paying that extra money to the government for import taxes. so yes, i will blame the unions for the failure of the American auto industry.

Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Shane, you seem to be so for this. While organization is always a good thing, this capitalistic country is built on free trade, so undermining that is going straight for the foundation of this country and it shows in Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Labor unions may indeed start as a movement to get fair treatment, just as the Industrial Workers of the World did so many years ago, but alas, they all eventually turn into the I Won't Work union.

"America and the markets can work as 1" - really? but i thought you weren't "the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be"

robert321 · Jan 1, 2009

first of all, and please excuse this but i found it funny;
 "I feel the only difference between slavery and my job now are that we get paid." isn't that the basic difference between slavery and a job is to get paid for your work? so isn't it basically the difference between everyone's job and slavery is that they get paid for their work?
 
 "Republithugs" - now aren't you just real creative
 
 In regards to your comment about working alongside a 10 year old, you see, there was thing, signed a long time ago called the Fair Labor Standards Act that made child labor illegal. Funny, you must have fallen asleep that day in school because that same thing is what created your minimum wages so, well, you won't be paid like an illegal immigrant, and if you do work an 18 hour day, you'll get your time and half overtime wages. So, we won't "surely revert into the time of the industrial revolution"
 
 As for the auto maker unions, they've got the automakers hands tied, they can't pay their workers the $10 an hour that they should be earning because they'll strike, and still expect to be paid. An average auto machanic, fixing parts on cars that break, which is far more difficult than sitting there pressing the buttons on the hydrolic machine that origionally installed the part, makes easily half what the guy in detroit is making and doesn't usually have the benifits of the detroit workers either. What the unions have ratcheted up to is rediculus! but you are right, the workers couldn't have done it without the union so next time you go buy a domestic car, just think of that worker whose salery you're paying while you sign that 25000 loan paper. But hey, you could always just buy imports, then you're paying that extra money to the government for import taxes. so yes, i will blame the unions for the failure of the American auto industry.
 
 Now onto unions in general, I feel I really need to address this as Shane, you seem to be so for this. While organization is always a good thing, this capitalistic country is built on free trade, so undermining that is going straight for the foundation of this country and it shows in Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Labor unions may indeed start as a movement to get fair treatment, just as the Industrial Workers of the World did so many years ago, but alas, they all eventually turn into the I Won't Work union.
 
 "America and the markets can work as 1" - really? but i thought you weren't "the clear-cut socialist that you paint me out to be"

Solo · Jan 1, 2009

Well if Bush would not have bailed out the automakers, and agreed with the Congressional Republithugs, millions of Americans would have lost their livelihoods, thus throwing kerosene on the fire, and enhancing the current recession we are in, making it a depression. And all because they hold a stupid grudge against workers thinking they are so obviously superior. Keep in mind that these greedy Republithugs are the same ones that led the charge to steal taxpayer money and hand it out to the banks with zero strings attached. They need to stay consistent, either they're for free markets, or their not. If Bush wouldn't have caved, the Repubs would'nt agree to an auto bailout unless the workers would agree to work for crumbs. IMO these evil congressional Republithugs should be tar and feathered, and at the margins of our society, and not in all halls of power calling the shots. To chastise the workers because of the collapse of the auto industry is wrong, the workers do not run the company's.

IMO seeing is the Repubs got literally humiliated in this election, they no longer need to brown nose and suck up to the people; they can truly show their true colors- anti-worker and anti-middle class.

Well is it a lie that some people truly enjoy their jobs? I think it is absurd to even suggest that a slave relished being a slave. Some people enjoy their job AND get paid at the same time. If you despise your job, it fuels bad morale. That's why I was equating that with slavery.

You sum up my position perfectly. SOCIAL REFORMS protect the people from greedy employers and their race for capital. Those are the reasons why our civil liberties aren't shredded. (child labor law, minimum wage, etc, etc, etc)

As Paul writes in one of his letters, "The love of money is the root of all evil." During the race for capital, the CEOs and high rollers have used and abused the workers responsible for their wealth. Like I said before, T. Boone Picken's oil would still be in the ground if people wouldn't have found it for him. The only reason why the fat cats even bother to pay their employees is because they have to. When workers are treated with dignity and respect, they are more likely to be productive, a happy worker is a productive worker, and if Laizeez-Faire capitalism ran a rough shod over this country, the only people that would be happy are the ones who have the most to lose if they're "foundation" were to crumble.

If I may ask Robert, why are you so fervently opposed to workers having decent wages, affordable healthcare, paid sick days and good treatment?

Solo · Jan 1, 2009

Well if Bush would not have bailed out the automakers, and agreed with the Congressional Republithugs, millions of Americans would have lost their livelihoods, thus throwing kerosene on the fire, and enhancing the current recession we are in, making it a depression. And all because they hold a stupid grudge against workers thinking they are so obviously superior. Keep in mind that these greedy Republithugs are the same ones that led the charge to steal taxpayer money and hand it out to the banks with zero strings attached. They need to stay consistent, either they're for free markets, or their not. If Bush wouldn't have caved, the Repubs would'nt agree to an auto bailout unless the workers would agree to work for crumbs. IMO these evil congressional Republithugs should be tar and feathered, and at the margins of our society, and not in all halls of power calling the shots. To chastise the workers because of the collapse of the auto industry is wrong, the workers do not run the company's.

IMO seeing is the Repubs got literally humiliated in this election, they no longer need to brown nose and suck up to the people; they can truly show their true colors- anti-worker and anti-middle class.

Well is it a lie that some people truly enjoy their jobs? I think it is absurd to even suggest that a slave relished being a slave. Some people enjoy their job AND get paid at the same time. If you despise your job, it fuels bad morale. That's why I was equating that with slavery.

You sum up my position perfectly. SOCIAL REFORMS protect the people from greedy employers and their race for capital. Those are the reasons why our civil liberties aren't shredded. (child labor law, minimum wage, etc, etc, etc)

As Paul writes in one of his letters, "The love of money is the root of all evil." During the race for capital, the CEOs and high rollers have used and abused the workers responsible for their wealth. Like I said before, T. Boone Picken's oil would still be in the ground if people wouldn't have found it for him. The only reason why the fat cats even bother to pay their employees is because they have to. When workers are treated with dignity and respect, they are more likely to be productive, a happy worker is a productive worker, and if Laizeez-Faire capitalism ran a rough shod over this country, the only people that would be happy are the ones who have the most to lose if they're "foundation" were to crumble.

If I may ask Robert, why are you so fervently opposed to workers having decent wages, affordable healthcare, paid sick days and good treatment?

Solo · Jan 1, 2009

Well if Bush would not have bailed out the automakers, and agreed with the Congressional Republithugs, millions of Americans would have lost their livelihoods, thus throwing kerosene on the fire, and enhancing the current recession we are in, making it a depression. And all because they hold a stupid grudge against workers thinking they are so obviously superior. Keep in mind that these greedy Republithugs are the same ones that led the charge to steal taxpayer money and hand it out to the banks with zero strings attached. They need to stay consistent, either they're for free markets, or their not. If Bush wouldn't have caved, the Repubs would'nt agree to an auto bailout unless the workers would agree to work for crumbs. IMO these evil congressional Republithugs should be tar and feathered, and at the margins of our society, and not in all halls of power calling the shots. To chastise the workers because of the collapse of the auto industry is wrong, the workers do not run the company's.

IMO seeing is the Repubs got literally humiliated in this election, they no longer need to brown nose and suck up to the people; they can truly show their true colors- anti-worker and anti-middle class.

Well is it a lie that some people truly enjoy their jobs? I think it is absurd to even suggest that a slave relished being a slave. Some people enjoy their job AND get paid at the same time. If you despise your job, it fuels bad morale. That's why I was equating that with slavery.

You sum up my position perfectly. SOCIAL REFORMS protect the people from greedy employers and their race for capital. Those are the reasons why our civil liberties aren't shredded. (child labor law, minimum wage, etc, etc, etc)

As Paul writes in one of his letters, "The love of money is the root of all evil." During the race for capital, the CEOs and high rollers have used and abused the workers responsible for their wealth. Like I said before, T. Boone Picken's oil would still be in the ground if people wouldn't have found it for him. The only reason why the fat cats even bother to pay their employees is because they have to. When workers are treated with dignity and respect, they are more likely to be productive, a happy worker is a productive worker, and if Laizeez-Faire capitalism ran a rough shod over this country, the only people that would be happy are the ones who have the most to lose if they're "foundation" were to crumble.

If I may ask Robert, why are you so fervently opposed to workers having decent wages, affordable healthcare, paid sick days and good treatment?

Solo · Jan 1, 2009

Well if Bush would not have bailed out the automakers, and agreed with the Congressional Republithugs, millions of Americans would have lost their livelihoods, thus throwing kerosene on the fire, and enhancing the current recession we are in, making it a depression. And all because they hold a stupid grudge against workers thinking they are so obviously superior. Keep in mind that these greedy Republithugs are the same ones that led the charge to steal taxpayer money and hand it out to the banks with zero strings attached. They need to stay consistent, either they're for free markets, or their not. If Bush wouldn't have caved, the Repubs would'nt agree to an auto bailout unless the workers would agree to work for crumbs. IMO these evil congressional Republithugs should be tar and feathered, and at the margins of our society, and not in all halls of power calling the shots. To chastise the workers because of the collapse of the auto industry is wrong, the workers do not run the company's.

IMO seeing is the Repubs got literally humiliated in this election, they no longer need to brown nose and suck up to the people; they can truly show their true colors- anti-worker and anti-middle class.

Well is it a lie that some people truly enjoy their jobs? I think it is absurd to even suggest that a slave relished being a slave. Some people enjoy their job AND get paid at the same time. If you despise your job, it fuels bad morale. That's why I was equating that with slavery.

You sum up my position perfectly. SOCIAL REFORMS protect the people from greedy employers and their race for capital. Those are the reasons why our civil liberties aren't shredded. (child labor law, minimum wage, etc, etc, etc)

As Paul writes in one of his letters, "The love of money is the root of all evil." During the race for capital, the CEOs and high rollers have used and abused the workers responsible for their wealth. Like I said before, T. Boone Picken's oil would still be in the ground if people wouldn't have found it for him. The only reason why the fat cats even bother to pay their employees is because they have to. When workers are treated with dignity and respect, they are more likely to be productive, a happy worker is a productive worker, and if Laizeez-Faire capitalism ran a rough shod over this country, the only people that would be happy are the ones who have the most to lose if they're "foundation" were to crumble.

If I may ask Robert, why are you so fervently opposed to workers having decent wages, affordable healthcare, paid sick days and good treatment?

Solo · Jan 1, 2009

Well if Bush would not have bailed out the automakers, and agreed with the Congressional Republithugs, millions of Americans would have lost their livelihoods, thus throwing kerosene on the fire, and enhancing the current recession we are in, making it a depression. And all because they hold a stupid grudge against workers thinking they are so obviously superior. Keep in mind that these greedy Republithugs are the same ones that led the charge to steal taxpayer money and hand it out to the banks with zero strings attached. They need to stay consistent, either they're for free markets, or their not. If Bush wouldn't have caved, the Repubs would'nt agree to an auto bailout unless the workers would agree to work for crumbs. IMO these evil congressional Republithugs should be tar and feathered, and at the margins of our society, and not in all halls of power calling the shots. To chastise the workers because of the collapse of the auto industry is wrong, the workers do not run the company's.
 
 IMO seeing is the Repubs got literally humiliated in this election, they no longer need to brown nose and suck up to the people; they can truly show their true colors- anti-worker and anti-middle class.
 
 
 Well is it a lie that some people truly enjoy their jobs? I think it is absurd to even suggest that a slave relished being a slave. Some people enjoy their job AND get paid at the same time. If you despise your job, it fuels bad morale. That's why I was equating that with slavery.
 
 
 You sum up my position perfectly. SOCIAL REFORMS protect the people from greedy employers and their race for capital. Those are the reasons why our civil liberties aren't shredded. (child labor law, minimum wage, etc, etc, etc)
 
 
 As Paul writes in one of his letters, "The love of money is the root of all evil." During the race for capital, the CEOs and high rollers have used and abused the workers responsible for their wealth. Like I said before, T. Boone Picken's oil would still be in the ground if people wouldn't have found it for him. The only reason why the fat cats even bother to pay their employees is because they have to. When workers are treated with dignity and respect, they are more likely to be productive, a happy worker is a productive worker, and if Laizeez-Faire capitalism ran a rough shod over this country, the only people that would be happy are the ones who have the most to lose if they're "foundation" were to crumble.
 
 If I may ask Robert, why are you so fervently opposed to workers having decent wages, affordable healthcare, paid sick days and good treatment?

kayleesgrandma · Jan 1, 2009

Shane, Shane, Shane, what part of $75/hour in health care, wages, and pension is "fair"? It sure won't get you anywhere when your company can't compete with other companies, and you lose your job. Granted, compared to what the fat cat bosses make it is not quite the same--but it aint pocket change. The workers at the "other Detroit"--down south--make about $30 less, but I don't hear them complaining or picketing, because they know that if they go on strike there are plenty of people willing to grab their jobs. Oh those poor "slaves" at those auto plants...Hell, I'd love to be making even $30/hr--much less $40-75!!!

I am against unions because of the vast amount of power they wield and the special priviledges and agendas they have. The teachers union one year at their convention, voted to boycott an Orange Juice company because they had Rudh Limbaugh representing the company. What part of advancing our children's education did that concern?

And the main reason for this commentary was that the unions want and think they have the right to TAKE AWAY the basic right that we have as Americans--THE RIGHT TO A SECRET BALLOT. So--what are unions so afraid of that they have to intimidate people into voting for a union? Speaking of thugs! Maybe you need to go back and review the history of Jimmy Hoffa--you do know he ended up with cement ankle bracelets? Speaking of evil CEO'S--DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HEADS OF THE UNIONS MAKE?

The unions are not for the workers, what a fantasy--they only seek to perpetuate their power--they care nothing for the worker--you should see what you get from the union when you go on strike...they don't care that you the worker are suffering--the union bosses are comfortable. Ask the steel workers if they had it all to do again, would they rather be working in their factory, or have it shut down...but by God--they showed those employers--shut that business down!!!

Unions were needed in the past, but they are anti-progress now...They belong with the blacksmith's...and the model T.

And as for the republicans causing the economic disaster--you also need to review your history, maybe check into Dodd and Barney Frank(the toothless wonder) and the cotributions to Obama by the mortgage companies...

And yes, Bush caved to the auto companies, he should have let them go by the wayside, and we need to fire everyone in COngress who voted for the bail-out. But the unions refused to compromise on ANYTHING! Which was no surprise--they get paid for not working--another interesting perk forced on the employer...

To call republicans "thugs" is laughable--and so sad to think how diluted and convoluted your thinking has become. May I point you in the direction of ACORN--if you want to know what real thugs are--or maybe you need to go back to your history books and reference go back to Boston and check out how the democrats bought and forced immigrant Irish workers to work for the party...or, like I said look up Jimmy Hoffa...

While you are at it--check out who gave slaves the right to vote(Republican)--and who wore the white hoods and did the lynching...Nowadays we would call those KKK democrats "terrorists"...thugs is too nice a word!

"The Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism. It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, John F. Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King..."

Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's first goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.
You can read more about the REAL history of the republican party at:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican
">http://www.nationalblackrepubl...0a%20Republican
</a>

SO I WOULN'T BE SO LOOSE WITH THE TERM "THUGS"! And you can stay in your own little world believing that unions are for the "worker"...

PS--I am so glad you aren't the full-blown socialist that I was afraid you were<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

PS again--for those that actually have read this far--Shane and I are really friends--we just love dissing each other on politics<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

kayleesgrandma · Jan 1, 2009

Shane, Shane, Shane, what part of $75/hour in health care, wages, and pension is "fair"? It sure won't get you anywhere when your company can't compete with other companies, and you lose your job. Granted, compared to what the fat cat bosses make it is not quite the same--but it aint pocket change. The workers at the "other Detroit"--down south--make about $30 less, but I don't hear them complaining or picketing, because they know that if they go on strike there are plenty of people willing to grab their jobs. Oh those poor "slaves" at those auto plants...Hell, I'd love to be making even $30/hr--much less $40-75!!!

I am against unions because of the vast amount of power they wield and the special priviledges and agendas they have. The teachers union one year at their convention, voted to boycott an Orange Juice company because they had Rudh Limbaugh representing the company. What part of advancing our children's education did that concern?

And the main reason for this commentary was that the unions want and think they have the right to TAKE AWAY the basic right that we have as Americans--THE RIGHT TO A SECRET BALLOT. So--what are unions so afraid of that they have to intimidate people into voting for a union? Speaking of thugs! Maybe you need to go back and review the history of Jimmy Hoffa--you do know he ended up with cement ankle bracelets? Speaking of evil CEO'S--DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HEADS OF THE UNIONS MAKE?

The unions are not for the workers, what a fantasy--they only seek to perpetuate their power--they care nothing for the worker--you should see what you get from the union when you go on strike...they don't care that you the worker are suffering--the union bosses are comfortable. Ask the steel workers if they had it all to do again, would they rather be working in their factory, or have it shut down...but by God--they showed those employers--shut that business down!!!

Unions were needed in the past, but they are anti-progress now...They belong with the blacksmith's...and the model T.

And as for the republicans causing the economic disaster--you also need to review your history, maybe check into Dodd and Barney Frank(the toothless wonder) and the cotributions to Obama by the mortgage companies...

And yes, Bush caved to the auto companies, he should have let them go by the wayside, and we need to fire everyone in COngress who voted for the bail-out. But the unions refused to compromise on ANYTHING! Which was no surprise--they get paid for not working--another interesting perk forced on the employer...

To call republicans "thugs" is laughable--and so sad to think how diluted and convoluted your thinking has become. May I point you in the direction of ACORN--if you want to know what real thugs are--or maybe you need to go back to your history books and reference go back to Boston and check out how the democrats bought and forced immigrant Irish workers to work for the party...or, like I said look up Jimmy Hoffa...

While you are at it--check out who gave slaves the right to vote(Republican)--and who wore the white hoods and did the lynching...Nowadays we would call those KKK democrats "terrorists"...thugs is too nice a word!

"The Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism. It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, John F. Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King..."

Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's first goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.
You can read more about the REAL history of the republican party at:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican
">http://www.nationalblackrepubl...0a%20Republican
</a>

SO I WOULN'T BE SO LOOSE WITH THE TERM "THUGS"! And you can stay in your own little world believing that unions are for the "worker"...

PS--I am so glad you aren't the full-blown socialist that I was afraid you were<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

PS again--for those that actually have read this far--Shane and I are really friends--we just love dissing each other on politics<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

kayleesgrandma · Jan 1, 2009

Shane, Shane, Shane, what part of $75/hour in health care, wages, and pension is "fair"? It sure won't get you anywhere when your company can't compete with other companies, and you lose your job. Granted, compared to what the fat cat bosses make it is not quite the same--but it aint pocket change. The workers at the "other Detroit"--down south--make about $30 less, but I don't hear them complaining or picketing, because they know that if they go on strike there are plenty of people willing to grab their jobs. Oh those poor "slaves" at those auto plants...Hell, I'd love to be making even $30/hr--much less $40-75!!!

I am against unions because of the vast amount of power they wield and the special priviledges and agendas they have. The teachers union one year at their convention, voted to boycott an Orange Juice company because they had Rudh Limbaugh representing the company. What part of advancing our children's education did that concern?

And the main reason for this commentary was that the unions want and think they have the right to TAKE AWAY the basic right that we have as Americans--THE RIGHT TO A SECRET BALLOT. So--what are unions so afraid of that they have to intimidate people into voting for a union? Speaking of thugs! Maybe you need to go back and review the history of Jimmy Hoffa--you do know he ended up with cement ankle bracelets? Speaking of evil CEO'S--DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HEADS OF THE UNIONS MAKE?

The unions are not for the workers, what a fantasy--they only seek to perpetuate their power--they care nothing for the worker--you should see what you get from the union when you go on strike...they don't care that you the worker are suffering--the union bosses are comfortable. Ask the steel workers if they had it all to do again, would they rather be working in their factory, or have it shut down...but by God--they showed those employers--shut that business down!!!

Unions were needed in the past, but they are anti-progress now...They belong with the blacksmith's...and the model T.

And as for the republicans causing the economic disaster--you also need to review your history, maybe check into Dodd and Barney Frank(the toothless wonder) and the cotributions to Obama by the mortgage companies...

And yes, Bush caved to the auto companies, he should have let them go by the wayside, and we need to fire everyone in COngress who voted for the bail-out. But the unions refused to compromise on ANYTHING! Which was no surprise--they get paid for not working--another interesting perk forced on the employer...

To call republicans "thugs" is laughable--and so sad to think how diluted and convoluted your thinking has become. May I point you in the direction of ACORN--if you want to know what real thugs are--or maybe you need to go back to your history books and reference go back to Boston and check out how the democrats bought and forced immigrant Irish workers to work for the party...or, like I said look up Jimmy Hoffa...

While you are at it--check out who gave slaves the right to vote(Republican)--and who wore the white hoods and did the lynching...Nowadays we would call those KKK democrats "terrorists"...thugs is too nice a word!

"The Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism. It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, John F. Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King..."

Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's first goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.
You can read more about the REAL history of the republican party at:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican
">http://www.nationalblackrepubl...0a%20Republican
</a>

SO I WOULN'T BE SO LOOSE WITH THE TERM "THUGS"! And you can stay in your own little world believing that unions are for the "worker"...

PS--I am so glad you aren't the full-blown socialist that I was afraid you were<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

PS again--for those that actually have read this far--Shane and I are really friends--we just love dissing each other on politics<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

kayleesgrandma · Jan 1, 2009

Shane, Shane, Shane, what part of $75/hour in health care, wages, and pension is "fair"? It sure won't get you anywhere when your company can't compete with other companies, and you lose your job. Granted, compared to what the fat cat bosses make it is not quite the same--but it aint pocket change. The workers at the "other Detroit"--down south--make about $30 less, but I don't hear them complaining or picketing, because they know that if they go on strike there are plenty of people willing to grab their jobs. Oh those poor "slaves" at those auto plants...Hell, I'd love to be making even $30/hr--much less $40-75!!!

I am against unions because of the vast amount of power they wield and the special priviledges and agendas they have. The teachers union one year at their convention, voted to boycott an Orange Juice company because they had Rudh Limbaugh representing the company. What part of advancing our children's education did that concern?

And the main reason for this commentary was that the unions want and think they have the right to TAKE AWAY the basic right that we have as Americans--THE RIGHT TO A SECRET BALLOT. So--what are unions so afraid of that they have to intimidate people into voting for a union? Speaking of thugs! Maybe you need to go back and review the history of Jimmy Hoffa--you do know he ended up with cement ankle bracelets? Speaking of evil CEO'S--DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HEADS OF THE UNIONS MAKE?

The unions are not for the workers, what a fantasy--they only seek to perpetuate their power--they care nothing for the worker--you should see what you get from the union when you go on strike...they don't care that you the worker are suffering--the union bosses are comfortable. Ask the steel workers if they had it all to do again, would they rather be working in their factory, or have it shut down...but by God--they showed those employers--shut that business down!!!

Unions were needed in the past, but they are anti-progress now...They belong with the blacksmith's...and the model T.

And as for the republicans causing the economic disaster--you also need to review your history, maybe check into Dodd and Barney Frank(the toothless wonder) and the cotributions to Obama by the mortgage companies...

And yes, Bush caved to the auto companies, he should have let them go by the wayside, and we need to fire everyone in COngress who voted for the bail-out. But the unions refused to compromise on ANYTHING! Which was no surprise--they get paid for not working--another interesting perk forced on the employer...

To call republicans "thugs" is laughable--and so sad to think how diluted and convoluted your thinking has become. May I point you in the direction of ACORN--if you want to know what real thugs are--or maybe you need to go back to your history books and reference go back to Boston and check out how the democrats bought and forced immigrant Irish workers to work for the party...or, like I said look up Jimmy Hoffa...

While you are at it--check out who gave slaves the right to vote(Republican)--and who wore the white hoods and did the lynching...Nowadays we would call those KKK democrats "terrorists"...thugs is too nice a word!

"The Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism. It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, John F. Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King..."

Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's first goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.
You can read more about the REAL history of the republican party at:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican
">http://www.nationalblackrepubl...0a%20Republican
</a>

SO I WOULN'T BE SO LOOSE WITH THE TERM "THUGS"! And you can stay in your own little world believing that unions are for the "worker"...

PS--I am so glad you aren't the full-blown socialist that I was afraid you were<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

PS again--for those that actually have read this far--Shane and I are really friends--we just love dissing each other on politics<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

kayleesgrandma · Jan 1, 2009

Shane, Shane, Shane, what part of $75/hour in health care, wages, and pension is "fair"? It sure won't get you anywhere when your company can't compete with other companies, and you lose your job. Granted, compared to what the fat cat bosses make it is not quite the same--but it aint pocket change. The workers at the "other Detroit"--down south--make about $30 less, but I don't hear them complaining or picketing, because they know that if they go on strike there are plenty of people willing to grab their jobs. Oh those poor "slaves" at those auto plants...Hell, I'd love to be making even $30/hr--much less $40-75!!!
 
 I am against unions because of the vast amount of power they wield and the special priviledges and agendas they have. The teachers union one year at their convention, voted to boycott an Orange Juice company because they had Rudh Limbaugh representing the company. What part of advancing our children's education did that concern?
 
 And the main reason for this commentary was that the unions want and think they have the right to TAKE AWAY the basic right that we have as Americans--THE RIGHT TO A SECRET BALLOT. So--what are unions so afraid of that they have to intimidate people into voting for a union? Speaking of thugs! Maybe you need to go back and review the history of Jimmy Hoffa--you do know he ended up with cement ankle bracelets? Speaking of evil CEO'S--DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HEADS OF THE UNIONS MAKE?
 
 The unions are not for the workers, what a fantasy--they only seek to perpetuate their power--they care nothing for the worker--you should see what you get from the union when you go on strike...they don't care that you the worker are suffering--the union bosses are comfortable. Ask the steel workers if they had it all to do again, would they rather be working in their factory, or have it shut down...but by God--they showed those employers--shut that business down!!!
 
 Unions were needed in the past, but they are anti-progress now...They belong with the blacksmith's...and the model T.
 
 And as for the republicans causing the economic disaster--you also need to review your history, maybe check into Dodd and Barney Frank(the toothless wonder) and the cotributions to Obama by the mortgage companies...
 
 And yes, Bush caved to the auto companies, he should have let them go by the wayside, and we need to fire everyone in COngress who voted for the bail-out. But the unions refused to compromise on ANYTHING! Which was no surprise--they get paid for not working--another interesting perk forced on the employer...
 
 To call republicans "thugs" is laughable--and so sad to think how diluted and convoluted your thinking has become. May I point you in the direction of ACORN--if you want to know what real thugs are--or maybe you need to go back to your history books and reference go back to Boston and check out how the democrats bought and forced immigrant Irish workers to work for the party...or, like I said look up Jimmy Hoffa...
 
 While you are at it--check out who gave slaves the right to vote(Republican)--and who wore the white hoods and did the lynching...Nowadays we would call those KKK democrats "terrorists"...thugs is too nice a word!
 
 "The Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism. It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.
 
 During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools.
 
 Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, John F. Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King..."
 
 Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's first goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.
 You can read more about the REAL history of the republican party at:
 <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican
 ">http://www.nationalblackrepubl...0a%20Republican
 </a>
 
 SO I WOULN'T BE SO LOOSE WITH THE TERM "THUGS"! And you can stay in your own little world believing that unions are for the "worker"...
 
 PS--I am so glad you aren't the full-blown socialist that I was afraid you were<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 
 PS again--for those that actually have read this far--Shane and I are really friends--we just love dissing each other on politics<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

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