total healing from CF

Scarlett81

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I don't know about Doulos-
But I am a Jehovah's Witness. (i think some were aware of that anyway) If you are Doulos-I'd love to know.
 

Scarlett81

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I don't know about Doulos-
But I am a Jehovah's Witness. (i think some were aware of that anyway) If you are Doulos-I'd love to know.
 

Scarlett81

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I don't know about Doulos-
But I am a Jehovah's Witness. (i think some were aware of that anyway) If you are Doulos-I'd love to know.
 

Diane

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i definitely consider what happened to me during my massive hemoptysis divine intervention. It was a sat morning around 6:30 am and i leaned over towards my left side while i was sleeping in the hospital. I had massive hemoptysis 2 days before and was in the hospital getting iv antibiotics. Any way i leaned on my left side and the blood started coming. I got up and went in the hallway and got the nurse. She came in my room in a panic which didnt help me one bit, then all the nurses on the floor came in and no-one knew what to do. The blood started coming faster than i could get it out and i started to choke on it. It got to the point i could no longer take in a breath because my lungs were full of blood and i knew right then and there i was going to die. Something in my mind told me to pray out loud, and i could only get out the words "please God" and it immediately started to slow down and stop, completely. I will never forget that experience of how close to losing my life i was, and how i was saved from certain death. I thank God for that gift everyday !!
 

Diane

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i definitely consider what happened to me during my massive hemoptysis divine intervention. It was a sat morning around 6:30 am and i leaned over towards my left side while i was sleeping in the hospital. I had massive hemoptysis 2 days before and was in the hospital getting iv antibiotics. Any way i leaned on my left side and the blood started coming. I got up and went in the hallway and got the nurse. She came in my room in a panic which didnt help me one bit, then all the nurses on the floor came in and no-one knew what to do. The blood started coming faster than i could get it out and i started to choke on it. It got to the point i could no longer take in a breath because my lungs were full of blood and i knew right then and there i was going to die. Something in my mind told me to pray out loud, and i could only get out the words "please God" and it immediately started to slow down and stop, completely. I will never forget that experience of how close to losing my life i was, and how i was saved from certain death. I thank God for that gift everyday !!
 

Diane

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i definitely consider what happened to me during my massive hemoptysis divine intervention. It was a sat morning around 6:30 am and i leaned over towards my left side while i was sleeping in the hospital. I had massive hemoptysis 2 days before and was in the hospital getting iv antibiotics. Any way i leaned on my left side and the blood started coming. I got up and went in the hallway and got the nurse. She came in my room in a panic which didnt help me one bit, then all the nurses on the floor came in and no-one knew what to do. The blood started coming faster than i could get it out and i started to choke on it. It got to the point i could no longer take in a breath because my lungs were full of blood and i knew right then and there i was going to die. Something in my mind told me to pray out loud, and i could only get out the words "please God" and it immediately started to slow down and stop, completely. I will never forget that experience of how close to losing my life i was, and how i was saved from certain death. I thank God for that gift everyday !!
 

blackchameleon

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interesting so far, it seems people are divinely healed from leprosy, burnt legs, cancer, bought back to life, stoping of bleeding in lungs and yet it remains, no one yet has been healed from their cf. the silence is deafening! it would seem although the verses spelt out by Richard speak one thing, the reality is the scriptures are mere words not backed up by action. the bible i maintain is not Gods creation, but mans sculpture. BC
 

blackchameleon

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interesting so far, it seems people are divinely healed from leprosy, burnt legs, cancer, bought back to life, stoping of bleeding in lungs and yet it remains, no one yet has been healed from their cf. the silence is deafening! it would seem although the verses spelt out by Richard speak one thing, the reality is the scriptures are mere words not backed up by action. the bible i maintain is not Gods creation, but mans sculpture. BC
 

blackchameleon

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interesting so far, it seems people are divinely healed from leprosy, burnt legs, cancer, bought back to life, stoping of bleeding in lungs and yet it remains, no one yet has been healed from their cf. the silence is deafening! it would seem although the verses spelt out by Richard speak one thing, the reality is the scriptures are mere words not backed up by action. the bible i maintain is not Gods creation, but mans sculpture. BC
 

Mockingbird

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Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

First, it is not according to what we percieve as good, but what God percieves as good. It is good for me to be cured of CF? I say no. Or do you not know that God's power is perfected in weakness? (2 Corinthians 12:9) What is my goal on this Earth? To live a long life, or to bring people to Christ? If, by having CF God's power is perfected through me, thereby bringing others to Christ, then why would I pray to have CF taken from me? God can add or take away from my life whether I have CF or not, so what difference does it make to my own life? To the lives of others, however, my CF amplifies the light which God shines through me.

On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world.

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Matthew 21:21 "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Again, if I have faith, then the things I ask for will be the things of God, and not of this world. For, if I ask the things of this world, then how can I have faith I will recieve it, knowing it is not the will of God? Even if I believe I have faith, it is a deception, for true faith comes only from God.

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John 14:12-14 ""Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

And this one only supports what I have been saying before.

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"Now I have no faith, but would ask that those of you who do to pray that all suffers of Cystic Fibrosis in the world be instantly cured and that their faulty genes be corrected. Succeed, and there is a fair chance that you will convert many non-believers."

Wrong again. Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=19&threadid=9620&enterthread=y">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.c...did=9620&enterthread=y</a>

Additionaly, history has shown that it is when times are most desperate that conversion to Christianity increaces, not when things take a turn for the better. For, when life is good, what reason is there to turn to God? But when we have hit rock bottom and have nothing else to count on, it is then we are most likely to rely on God.

Finally, someone did give an example of someone being healed of CF (whether it is true or not, I don't know; I accept it as a possibility), but it was met only with skepticism. Even if there was someone you knew personally who had been cured, would you then accept it as a miracle, or pass it off as a hoax or misunderstanding? Others have told of miracles and the only response was, "That has nothing to do with CF." What, then, is the point of this thread?

Black Chameleon, do not think because I humor you that I am fooled by your deceit. I have known since you first posted in the religion board that your only purpose here is to drag Christianity through the mud. Drag all you want, for you are only providing me with an opportunity to spread the word of Christ.
 

Mockingbird

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Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

First, it is not according to what we percieve as good, but what God percieves as good. It is good for me to be cured of CF? I say no. Or do you not know that God's power is perfected in weakness? (2 Corinthians 12:9) What is my goal on this Earth? To live a long life, or to bring people to Christ? If, by having CF God's power is perfected through me, thereby bringing others to Christ, then why would I pray to have CF taken from me? God can add or take away from my life whether I have CF or not, so what difference does it make to my own life? To the lives of others, however, my CF amplifies the light which God shines through me.

On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world.

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Matthew 21:21 "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Again, if I have faith, then the things I ask for will be the things of God, and not of this world. For, if I ask the things of this world, then how can I have faith I will recieve it, knowing it is not the will of God? Even if I believe I have faith, it is a deception, for true faith comes only from God.

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John 14:12-14 ""Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

And this one only supports what I have been saying before.

----------------

"Now I have no faith, but would ask that those of you who do to pray that all suffers of Cystic Fibrosis in the world be instantly cured and that their faulty genes be corrected. Succeed, and there is a fair chance that you will convert many non-believers."

Wrong again. Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=19&threadid=9620&enterthread=y">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.c...did=9620&enterthread=y</a>

Additionaly, history has shown that it is when times are most desperate that conversion to Christianity increaces, not when things take a turn for the better. For, when life is good, what reason is there to turn to God? But when we have hit rock bottom and have nothing else to count on, it is then we are most likely to rely on God.

Finally, someone did give an example of someone being healed of CF (whether it is true or not, I don't know; I accept it as a possibility), but it was met only with skepticism. Even if there was someone you knew personally who had been cured, would you then accept it as a miracle, or pass it off as a hoax or misunderstanding? Others have told of miracles and the only response was, "That has nothing to do with CF." What, then, is the point of this thread?

Black Chameleon, do not think because I humor you that I am fooled by your deceit. I have known since you first posted in the religion board that your only purpose here is to drag Christianity through the mud. Drag all you want, for you are only providing me with an opportunity to spread the word of Christ.
 

Mockingbird

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Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

First, it is not according to what we percieve as good, but what God percieves as good. It is good for me to be cured of CF? I say no. Or do you not know that God's power is perfected in weakness? (2 Corinthians 12:9) What is my goal on this Earth? To live a long life, or to bring people to Christ? If, by having CF God's power is perfected through me, thereby bringing others to Christ, then why would I pray to have CF taken from me? God can add or take away from my life whether I have CF or not, so what difference does it make to my own life? To the lives of others, however, my CF amplifies the light which God shines through me.

On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world.

-------------

Matthew 21:21 "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Again, if I have faith, then the things I ask for will be the things of God, and not of this world. For, if I ask the things of this world, then how can I have faith I will recieve it, knowing it is not the will of God? Even if I believe I have faith, it is a deception, for true faith comes only from God.

------------

John 14:12-14 ""Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

And this one only supports what I have been saying before.

----------------

"Now I have no faith, but would ask that those of you who do to pray that all suffers of Cystic Fibrosis in the world be instantly cured and that their faulty genes be corrected. Succeed, and there is a fair chance that you will convert many non-believers."

Wrong again. Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=19&threadid=9620&enterthread=y">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.c...did=9620&enterthread=y</a>

Additionaly, history has shown that it is when times are most desperate that conversion to Christianity increaces, not when things take a turn for the better. For, when life is good, what reason is there to turn to God? But when we have hit rock bottom and have nothing else to count on, it is then we are most likely to rely on God.

Finally, someone did give an example of someone being healed of CF (whether it is true or not, I don't know; I accept it as a possibility), but it was met only with skepticism. Even if there was someone you knew personally who had been cured, would you then accept it as a miracle, or pass it off as a hoax or misunderstanding? Others have told of miracles and the only response was, "That has nothing to do with CF." What, then, is the point of this thread?

Black Chameleon, do not think because I humor you that I am fooled by your deceit. I have known since you first posted in the religion board that your only purpose here is to drag Christianity through the mud. Drag all you want, for you are only providing me with an opportunity to spread the word of Christ.
 

anonymous

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Mockingbird, you appear to be saying that if you pray (no matter how faithful you are) your prayer will only be answered if it is god's will. So what is the point of praying? Surely if it is god's will and that god is omnipotent, his will will be done whether you pray or not?

You say:

<span class="FTHighlightFont">On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world. </span ft>

So again I say in response, why pray then? And if you're worried that it may be considered selfish then pray for something truely unselfish - the end of famine, pestilence or any number of diseases.

You say also

<span class="FTHighlightFont">Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles</span ft>

But didn't you just suggest that miracles (such as answered prayers) will only occur if it is god's will, which of course happens whever we want it or not?

You even suggest that by spreading blight and misery throughout the world he gains more worshipers. Back in my schooldays we had a fellow pupil who spread blight and misery throughout the playground in an attempt to gain followers. We just called him a bully. I didn't worship him either.

In reference to the book claiming to tell a story of soemone being completely healed from cf - I would love to see that book, read the story and study the evidence. Until then I still remain a man of no faith in your god.

Richard
 

anonymous

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Mockingbird, you appear to be saying that if you pray (no matter how faithful you are) your prayer will only be answered if it is god's will. So what is the point of praying? Surely if it is god's will and that god is omnipotent, his will will be done whether you pray or not?

You say:

<span class="FTHighlightFont">On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world. </span ft>

So again I say in response, why pray then? And if you're worried that it may be considered selfish then pray for something truely unselfish - the end of famine, pestilence or any number of diseases.

You say also

<span class="FTHighlightFont">Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles</span ft>

But didn't you just suggest that miracles (such as answered prayers) will only occur if it is god's will, which of course happens whever we want it or not?

You even suggest that by spreading blight and misery throughout the world he gains more worshipers. Back in my schooldays we had a fellow pupil who spread blight and misery throughout the playground in an attempt to gain followers. We just called him a bully. I didn't worship him either.

In reference to the book claiming to tell a story of soemone being completely healed from cf - I would love to see that book, read the story and study the evidence. Until then I still remain a man of no faith in your god.

Richard
 

anonymous

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Mockingbird, you appear to be saying that if you pray (no matter how faithful you are) your prayer will only be answered if it is god's will. So what is the point of praying? Surely if it is god's will and that god is omnipotent, his will will be done whether you pray or not?

You say:

<span class="FTHighlightFont">On the other hand, if I did pray for a cure to CF, do I have in mind the things of God, or of myself? Therefore, it is a contradiction for me to say I have faith in God, and yet desire the things of this world. </span ft>

So again I say in response, why pray then? And if you're worried that it may be considered selfish then pray for something truely unselfish - the end of famine, pestilence or any number of diseases.

You say also

<span class="FTHighlightFont">Miracles are not a reason for faith, but rather faith the reason for miracles</span ft>

But didn't you just suggest that miracles (such as answered prayers) will only occur if it is god's will, which of course happens whever we want it or not?

You even suggest that by spreading blight and misery throughout the world he gains more worshipers. Back in my schooldays we had a fellow pupil who spread blight and misery throughout the playground in an attempt to gain followers. We just called him a bully. I didn't worship him either.

In reference to the book claiming to tell a story of soemone being completely healed from cf - I would love to see that book, read the story and study the evidence. Until then I still remain a man of no faith in your god.

Richard
 

JennifersHope

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Richard, Hi.. I am not usually one to ever preach on here... to me that makes me want to vomit right on myself...

I actually went to a program for a few years where we learned a lot about the bible.. I still can't figure the bible out and I don't understand a lot of the scriptures especially about healing...... but I still believe that the bible is accurate.. I just think our understanding of it is not.

I don't blame you for not having any faith in God.. especially if you haven't had any personal experience with him.....

I never ever believed in God because growing up my life really sucked, as did almost everyone's to some degree.... so you can imagine that one day when my life was at it's lowest and I mean the lowest... someone told me that there was a God who loved me and I laughed at them.. I told them screw god if he does love me, what kind of "god" would let those things happen to me etc etc etc...

Anyway, I don't know how to explain it but this person said to me, "Fine if you don't believe in God then do me one favor, ask God to show himself to you if he is real.." I thought they were nuts... like what was he going to do.. show up in my mirror or something.. Really I was skeptical.... but what did I have to lose really?

So fine I asked God to show himself to me if he was real.... I kid you not.. I swear on my life.. the oddest things kept happening.and as much as I tried to chalk it off to just freaky, slowly over time I couldn't deny it..... So while I don't understand the bible that well, or even half well, or even a little bit... I do know for me that God showed himself to me in ways I couldn't deny....

Please forgive me if I sound preachy... I am not trying to convert anyone or make a believer out of anyone... Not my job.. just telling you I was in your shoes and what happend to me while I was there...

Jennifer
 

JennifersHope

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Richard, Hi.. I am not usually one to ever preach on here... to me that makes me want to vomit right on myself...

I actually went to a program for a few years where we learned a lot about the bible.. I still can't figure the bible out and I don't understand a lot of the scriptures especially about healing...... but I still believe that the bible is accurate.. I just think our understanding of it is not.

I don't blame you for not having any faith in God.. especially if you haven't had any personal experience with him.....

I never ever believed in God because growing up my life really sucked, as did almost everyone's to some degree.... so you can imagine that one day when my life was at it's lowest and I mean the lowest... someone told me that there was a God who loved me and I laughed at them.. I told them screw god if he does love me, what kind of "god" would let those things happen to me etc etc etc...

Anyway, I don't know how to explain it but this person said to me, "Fine if you don't believe in God then do me one favor, ask God to show himself to you if he is real.." I thought they were nuts... like what was he going to do.. show up in my mirror or something.. Really I was skeptical.... but what did I have to lose really?

So fine I asked God to show himself to me if he was real.... I kid you not.. I swear on my life.. the oddest things kept happening.and as much as I tried to chalk it off to just freaky, slowly over time I couldn't deny it..... So while I don't understand the bible that well, or even half well, or even a little bit... I do know for me that God showed himself to me in ways I couldn't deny....

Please forgive me if I sound preachy... I am not trying to convert anyone or make a believer out of anyone... Not my job.. just telling you I was in your shoes and what happend to me while I was there...

Jennifer
 
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