Who do you want as your next US president?

occupyjapan · Jan 8, 2008

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: robert321

-the health care system NEEDS reform, universal health care isn't the answer though

-against stem cell research, the destruction of life is not worth the POTENTIAL benifits
</end quote></div>

I don't know how you can possibly have CF and have these opinions about stuff.

You apparently have no idea how hard it is for a lot of people (yes, even people with something as bad as CF) to get healthcare. If you're sick, you should get treatment. If you need medicine, you should get it. I'm sorry if that raises your taxes 5% annually, but the government is responsible for the well-being of it's citizens and that includes the illnesses those citizens are born with. It sucks that Joe Citizen will have to pay more out of pocket, but:

A: This is America, and we are not some impoverished 3rd world hell hole. The people who whine about it being "expensive" can easily afford the extra taxes to help out people who can't help being sick, they just don't want to. Oh, and never mind that they'd be getting the coverage too.

B: The same people who are complaining about it now are the same people who will be all up in arms when they're 65 and get some horrible disease like cancer and suddenly find out that they're in for a harsh reality: being sick is really really expensive and that 5000 dollars you saved in taxes by not paying for universal coverage is going to buy you about 1/2 a round of chemotherapy. If that.

Also, in regards to your stem cell research thing, you clearly haven't looked into the matter very far beyond the conservative punditry that goes on about it. You realize that most of the stem cells they'll be getting are coming from NON-VIABLE embryos that are left over from in vitro-fertilization and were going to be discarded anyway? Oh, right. Rush Limbaugh says they're murdering babies, so that's clearly the case, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Key word here, man: non-viable. No one is getting killed. They aren't human beings. They are never going to be human beings. It's human tissue, sure, but they have about as much chance turning into a human as my hand would if I cut it off and put it in a test tube.

Even if that weren't the case, and these were viable human embryos (I'm going to emphasize again that they're not), they're going to get discarded anyway. If they had to "die", why would you want it to be in vain? If I knew I had to die, I'd much rather it be for a decent cause instead of my death being an absolute waste. I guess you don't subscribe to the "a death should be worth something" mantra, but I already knew that what with your "NO CUT AND RUN IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Sean Hannity talking-point crap.

I don't know how you could possibly have a horrible genetic disease and still feel the way you do, but whatever floats your boat. I guess I'll rest easy in the knowledge that America is slowly, but surely moving away from that line of thinking all together. Enjoy your smug sense of moral self-satisfaction while it lasts. I bet I'll enjoy not having to pay for my medicine even more when it happens (and it WILL happen).

occupyjapan · Jan 8, 2008

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: robert321

-the health care system NEEDS reform, universal health care isn't the answer though

-against stem cell research, the destruction of life is not worth the POTENTIAL benifits
</end quote></div>

I don't know how you can possibly have CF and have these opinions about stuff.

You apparently have no idea how hard it is for a lot of people (yes, even people with something as bad as CF) to get healthcare. If you're sick, you should get treatment. If you need medicine, you should get it. I'm sorry if that raises your taxes 5% annually, but the government is responsible for the well-being of it's citizens and that includes the illnesses those citizens are born with. It sucks that Joe Citizen will have to pay more out of pocket, but:

A: This is America, and we are not some impoverished 3rd world hell hole. The people who whine about it being "expensive" can easily afford the extra taxes to help out people who can't help being sick, they just don't want to. Oh, and never mind that they'd be getting the coverage too.

B: The same people who are complaining about it now are the same people who will be all up in arms when they're 65 and get some horrible disease like cancer and suddenly find out that they're in for a harsh reality: being sick is really really expensive and that 5000 dollars you saved in taxes by not paying for universal coverage is going to buy you about 1/2 a round of chemotherapy. If that.

Also, in regards to your stem cell research thing, you clearly haven't looked into the matter very far beyond the conservative punditry that goes on about it. You realize that most of the stem cells they'll be getting are coming from NON-VIABLE embryos that are left over from in vitro-fertilization and were going to be discarded anyway? Oh, right. Rush Limbaugh says they're murdering babies, so that's clearly the case, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Key word here, man: non-viable. No one is getting killed. They aren't human beings. They are never going to be human beings. It's human tissue, sure, but they have about as much chance turning into a human as my hand would if I cut it off and put it in a test tube.

Even if that weren't the case, and these were viable human embryos (I'm going to emphasize again that they're not), they're going to get discarded anyway. If they had to "die", why would you want it to be in vain? If I knew I had to die, I'd much rather it be for a decent cause instead of my death being an absolute waste. I guess you don't subscribe to the "a death should be worth something" mantra, but I already knew that what with your "NO CUT AND RUN IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Sean Hannity talking-point crap.

I don't know how you could possibly have a horrible genetic disease and still feel the way you do, but whatever floats your boat. I guess I'll rest easy in the knowledge that America is slowly, but surely moving away from that line of thinking all together. Enjoy your smug sense of moral self-satisfaction while it lasts. I bet I'll enjoy not having to pay for my medicine even more when it happens (and it WILL happen).

occupyjapan · Jan 8, 2008

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: robert321

-the health care system NEEDS reform, universal health care isn't the answer though

-against stem cell research, the destruction of life is not worth the POTENTIAL benifits
</end quote></div>

I don't know how you can possibly have CF and have these opinions about stuff.

You apparently have no idea how hard it is for a lot of people (yes, even people with something as bad as CF) to get healthcare. If you're sick, you should get treatment. If you need medicine, you should get it. I'm sorry if that raises your taxes 5% annually, but the government is responsible for the well-being of it's citizens and that includes the illnesses those citizens are born with. It sucks that Joe Citizen will have to pay more out of pocket, but:

A: This is America, and we are not some impoverished 3rd world hell hole. The people who whine about it being "expensive" can easily afford the extra taxes to help out people who can't help being sick, they just don't want to. Oh, and never mind that they'd be getting the coverage too.

B: The same people who are complaining about it now are the same people who will be all up in arms when they're 65 and get some horrible disease like cancer and suddenly find out that they're in for a harsh reality: being sick is really really expensive and that 5000 dollars you saved in taxes by not paying for universal coverage is going to buy you about 1/2 a round of chemotherapy. If that.

Also, in regards to your stem cell research thing, you clearly haven't looked into the matter very far beyond the conservative punditry that goes on about it. You realize that most of the stem cells they'll be getting are coming from NON-VIABLE embryos that are left over from in vitro-fertilization and were going to be discarded anyway? Oh, right. Rush Limbaugh says they're murdering babies, so that's clearly the case, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Key word here, man: non-viable. No one is getting killed. They aren't human beings. They are never going to be human beings. It's human tissue, sure, but they have about as much chance turning into a human as my hand would if I cut it off and put it in a test tube.

Even if that weren't the case, and these were viable human embryos (I'm going to emphasize again that they're not), they're going to get discarded anyway. If they had to "die", why would you want it to be in vain? If I knew I had to die, I'd much rather it be for a decent cause instead of my death being an absolute waste. I guess you don't subscribe to the "a death should be worth something" mantra, but I already knew that what with your "NO CUT AND RUN IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Sean Hannity talking-point crap.

I don't know how you could possibly have a horrible genetic disease and still feel the way you do, but whatever floats your boat. I guess I'll rest easy in the knowledge that America is slowly, but surely moving away from that line of thinking all together. Enjoy your smug sense of moral self-satisfaction while it lasts. I bet I'll enjoy not having to pay for my medicine even more when it happens (and it WILL happen).

occupyjapan · Jan 8, 2008

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: robert321

-the health care system NEEDS reform, universal health care isn't the answer though

-against stem cell research, the destruction of life is not worth the POTENTIAL benifits
</end quote>

I don't know how you can possibly have CF and have these opinions about stuff.

You apparently have no idea how hard it is for a lot of people (yes, even people with something as bad as CF) to get healthcare. If you're sick, you should get treatment. If you need medicine, you should get it. I'm sorry if that raises your taxes 5% annually, but the government is responsible for the well-being of it's citizens and that includes the illnesses those citizens are born with. It sucks that Joe Citizen will have to pay more out of pocket, but:

A: This is America, and we are not some impoverished 3rd world hell hole. The people who whine about it being "expensive" can easily afford the extra taxes to help out people who can't help being sick, they just don't want to. Oh, and never mind that they'd be getting the coverage too.

B: The same people who are complaining about it now are the same people who will be all up in arms when they're 65 and get some horrible disease like cancer and suddenly find out that they're in for a harsh reality: being sick is really really expensive and that 5000 dollars you saved in taxes by not paying for universal coverage is going to buy you about 1/2 a round of chemotherapy. If that.

Also, in regards to your stem cell research thing, you clearly haven't looked into the matter very far beyond the conservative punditry that goes on about it. You realize that most of the stem cells they'll be getting are coming from NON-VIABLE embryos that are left over from in vitro-fertilization and were going to be discarded anyway? Oh, right. Rush Limbaugh says they're murdering babies, so that's clearly the case, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Key word here, man: non-viable. No one is getting killed. They aren't human beings. They are never going to be human beings. It's human tissue, sure, but they have about as much chance turning into a human as my hand would if I cut it off and put it in a test tube.

Even if that weren't the case, and these were viable human embryos (I'm going to emphasize again that they're not), they're going to get discarded anyway. If they had to "die", why would you want it to be in vain? If I knew I had to die, I'd much rather it be for a decent cause instead of my death being an absolute waste. I guess you don't subscribe to the "a death should be worth something" mantra, but I already knew that what with your "NO CUT AND RUN IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Sean Hannity talking-point crap.

I don't know how you could possibly have a horrible genetic disease and still feel the way you do, but whatever floats your boat. I guess I'll rest easy in the knowledge that America is slowly, but surely moving away from that line of thinking all together. Enjoy your smug sense of moral self-satisfaction while it lasts. I bet I'll enjoy not having to pay for my medicine even more when it happens (and it WILL happen).

occupyjapan · Jan 8, 2008

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: robert321

-the health care system NEEDS reform, universal health care isn't the answer though

-against stem cell research, the destruction of life is not worth the POTENTIAL benifits
</end quote>

I don't know how you can possibly have CF and have these opinions about stuff.

You apparently have no idea how hard it is for a lot of people (yes, even people with something as bad as CF) to get healthcare. If you're sick, you should get treatment. If you need medicine, you should get it. I'm sorry if that raises your taxes 5% annually, but the government is responsible for the well-being of it's citizens and that includes the illnesses those citizens are born with. It sucks that Joe Citizen will have to pay more out of pocket, but:

A: This is America, and we are not some impoverished 3rd world hell hole. The people who whine about it being "expensive" can easily afford the extra taxes to help out people who can't help being sick, they just don't want to. Oh, and never mind that they'd be getting the coverage too.

B: The same people who are complaining about it now are the same people who will be all up in arms when they're 65 and get some horrible disease like cancer and suddenly find out that they're in for a harsh reality: being sick is really really expensive and that 5000 dollars you saved in taxes by not paying for universal coverage is going to buy you about 1/2 a round of chemotherapy. If that.

Also, in regards to your stem cell research thing, you clearly haven't looked into the matter very far beyond the conservative punditry that goes on about it. You realize that most of the stem cells they'll be getting are coming from NON-VIABLE embryos that are left over from in vitro-fertilization and were going to be discarded anyway? Oh, right. Rush Limbaugh says they're murdering babies, so that's clearly the case, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Key word here, man: non-viable. No one is getting killed. They aren't human beings. They are never going to be human beings. It's human tissue, sure, but they have about as much chance turning into a human as my hand would if I cut it off and put it in a test tube.

Even if that weren't the case, and these were viable human embryos (I'm going to emphasize again that they're not), they're going to get discarded anyway. If they had to "die", why would you want it to be in vain? If I knew I had to die, I'd much rather it be for a decent cause instead of my death being an absolute waste. I guess you don't subscribe to the "a death should be worth something" mantra, but I already knew that what with your "NO CUT AND RUN IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Sean Hannity talking-point crap.

I don't know how you could possibly have a horrible genetic disease and still feel the way you do, but whatever floats your boat. I guess I'll rest easy in the knowledge that America is slowly, but surely moving away from that line of thinking all together. Enjoy your smug sense of moral self-satisfaction while it lasts. I bet I'll enjoy not having to pay for my medicine even more when it happens (and it WILL happen).

CowTown · Jan 8, 2008