I honestly don't understand how all this drama can arise. This was over whether you tell your children Santa if real or not? I think sometimes people need to take a step back and puts things into perspective. Life is way too short to have all this conflict and hositility over some trivial things.
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65rosessamurai
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I noticed this spool a few hours ago, and took a quick look at Allie's Blog...she seemed really 'unstable (quite descriptive in the incidents)' with the way she recollected her last days with Ry. I had to stop a few times, some of the words were so powerfull to me.
The fact that she had made such an unusual action regarding her blogs (erasing them all), and such, along with another 'anniversary' coming up, that she really has to hurdle over, comes as a conclusion to me that she may had too many things bottled up, and really had to do what she could to escape it.
I just hope she is going to be ok, but feel it may take her quite a while...
I also wonder anyone who's making a deal with 'Santa', realized Allie is not catholoc, but practicing Judiasm? I'm sure it's a known fact, but just in case...thought I'd throw that fact out in the open.
Despite not being here as often as I used to, as well as being one who had to take a break from this forum at one time, I'm a little saddened to see her go. Other than her blog, I couldn't see any topics that may had triggered her actions.
I just hope that someday soon, she comes to a peace of mind within herself.
The fact that she had made such an unusual action regarding her blogs (erasing them all), and such, along with another 'anniversary' coming up, that she really has to hurdle over, comes as a conclusion to me that she may had too many things bottled up, and really had to do what she could to escape it.
I just hope she is going to be ok, but feel it may take her quite a while...
I also wonder anyone who's making a deal with 'Santa', realized Allie is not catholoc, but practicing Judiasm? I'm sure it's a known fact, but just in case...thought I'd throw that fact out in the open.
Despite not being here as often as I used to, as well as being one who had to take a break from this forum at one time, I'm a little saddened to see her go. Other than her blog, I couldn't see any topics that may had triggered her actions.
I just hope that someday soon, she comes to a peace of mind within herself.
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65rosessamurai
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I noticed this spool a few hours ago, and took a quick look at Allie's Blog...she seemed really 'unstable (quite descriptive in the incidents)' with the way she recollected her last days with Ry. I had to stop a few times, some of the words were so powerfull to me.
The fact that she had made such an unusual action regarding her blogs (erasing them all), and such, along with another 'anniversary' coming up, that she really has to hurdle over, comes as a conclusion to me that she may had too many things bottled up, and really had to do what she could to escape it.
I just hope she is going to be ok, but feel it may take her quite a while...
I also wonder anyone who's making a deal with 'Santa', realized Allie is not catholoc, but practicing Judiasm? I'm sure it's a known fact, but just in case...thought I'd throw that fact out in the open.
Despite not being here as often as I used to, as well as being one who had to take a break from this forum at one time, I'm a little saddened to see her go. Other than her blog, I couldn't see any topics that may had triggered her actions.
I just hope that someday soon, she comes to a peace of mind within herself.
The fact that she had made such an unusual action regarding her blogs (erasing them all), and such, along with another 'anniversary' coming up, that she really has to hurdle over, comes as a conclusion to me that she may had too many things bottled up, and really had to do what she could to escape it.
I just hope she is going to be ok, but feel it may take her quite a while...
I also wonder anyone who's making a deal with 'Santa', realized Allie is not catholoc, but practicing Judiasm? I'm sure it's a known fact, but just in case...thought I'd throw that fact out in the open.
Despite not being here as often as I used to, as well as being one who had to take a break from this forum at one time, I'm a little saddened to see her go. Other than her blog, I couldn't see any topics that may had triggered her actions.
I just hope that someday soon, she comes to a peace of mind within herself.
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65rosessamurai
Guest
I noticed this spool a few hours ago, and took a quick look at Allie's Blog...she seemed really 'unstable (quite descriptive in the incidents)' with the way she recollected her last days with Ry. I had to stop a few times, some of the words were so powerfull to me.
The fact that she had made such an unusual action regarding her blogs (erasing them all), and such, along with another 'anniversary' coming up, that she really has to hurdle over, comes as a conclusion to me that she may had too many things bottled up, and really had to do what she could to escape it.
I just hope she is going to be ok, but feel it may take her quite a while...
I also wonder anyone who's making a deal with 'Santa', realized Allie is not catholoc, but practicing Judiasm? I'm sure it's a known fact, but just in case...thought I'd throw that fact out in the open.
Despite not being here as often as I used to, as well as being one who had to take a break from this forum at one time, I'm a little saddened to see her go. Other than her blog, I couldn't see any topics that may had triggered her actions.
I just hope that someday soon, she comes to a peace of mind within herself.
The fact that she had made such an unusual action regarding her blogs (erasing them all), and such, along with another 'anniversary' coming up, that she really has to hurdle over, comes as a conclusion to me that she may had too many things bottled up, and really had to do what she could to escape it.
I just hope she is going to be ok, but feel it may take her quite a while...
I also wonder anyone who's making a deal with 'Santa', realized Allie is not catholoc, but practicing Judiasm? I'm sure it's a known fact, but just in case...thought I'd throw that fact out in the open.
Despite not being here as often as I used to, as well as being one who had to take a break from this forum at one time, I'm a little saddened to see her go. Other than her blog, I couldn't see any topics that may had triggered her actions.
I just hope that someday soon, she comes to a peace of mind within herself.
blackchameleon
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I dont know anyone on here well, but guess i spoke mostly with Allie-- mainly because she was always on here! didnt Allie start a shirt selling buisness that helps raise funds and awareness for CF?? that to me is a ball tearing effort and whatever anyone thinks of her you cant deny she at least had a go and put in passion for her beliefs. its as obvious as tits on a bull she is still grieving deeply for Ry's loss and i reckon a break from here will be beneficial for her. i liked my chats with Allie and found her answers to my questions on Judaism insightful and genuine. i reckon Allie was great for adding colour on here, if you read this Allie i hope you are at the bottom of your pit and start ascending back to hapiness soon, Ahava needs that. bzzzt Blacky
blackchameleon
New member
I dont know anyone on here well, but guess i spoke mostly with Allie-- mainly because she was always on here! didnt Allie start a shirt selling buisness that helps raise funds and awareness for CF?? that to me is a ball tearing effort and whatever anyone thinks of her you cant deny she at least had a go and put in passion for her beliefs. its as obvious as tits on a bull she is still grieving deeply for Ry's loss and i reckon a break from here will be beneficial for her. i liked my chats with Allie and found her answers to my questions on Judaism insightful and genuine. i reckon Allie was great for adding colour on here, if you read this Allie i hope you are at the bottom of your pit and start ascending back to hapiness soon, Ahava needs that. bzzzt Blacky
blackchameleon
New member
I dont know anyone on here well, but guess i spoke mostly with Allie-- mainly because she was always on here! didnt Allie start a shirt selling buisness that helps raise funds and awareness for CF?? that to me is a ball tearing effort and whatever anyone thinks of her you cant deny she at least had a go and put in passion for her beliefs. its as obvious as tits on a bull she is still grieving deeply for Ry's loss and i reckon a break from here will be beneficial for her. i liked my chats with Allie and found her answers to my questions on Judaism insightful and genuine. i reckon Allie was great for adding colour on here, if you read this Allie i hope you are at the bottom of your pit and start ascending back to hapiness soon, Ahava needs that. bzzzt Blacky
kayleesgrandma
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Emily, you are right, Allie didn't ask for attention in a thread. I retract that statement, as it doesn't apply here. I hope that you realize that I am also in an emotional state, and I agonized over the writting of that reply for a long, long time.
I was one of those who begged Allie to stay. . .
I only put this in a thread because people were asking me, and Allie asked me to make sure I told the whole story. I felt I owed Allie the respect to see what I said in writting, not keep it as a private message to people. I'm not going to go behind her back. I'm sorry that I don't remember more of Jenn's post, because I don't want it to be held against me as being unfair, but at this point it doesn't matter. The gist of it has been said at least. But I honestly can't remember any name-calling. She didn't believe me before she left, why would she now?
But as far as the rest of your reply, I am TOTALLY BEWILDERED. I never said it was Allie's fault that you defended her. In fact, I would have been astonished if you didn't. I only used your words because they were similar to what Allie had said to me the day before, as I was trying to persuade her to stay. If someone was surprised that you explained, from your point of view, why Allie left, then they would have to be new to this forum, because I totally expected it.
I certainly don't understand the part about "how people blame HER when you step in". I obviously missed something along the way. If this was the impression I gave, it certainly was NEVER my intention--in fact it never occurred to me! I only posted my take on what happened because I am taking responsibilty for my part in it, as was previously requested. I am sorry that Allie got upset.
I also apologize that I didn't understand the rules pertaining to the blogs--that's why this got so out-of-hand. I didn't know that only <b>certain</b> people were allowed to say what they wanted in their blogs, or allowed to make contradictory comments or replys. Is there a list of topics/subjects we are not supposed to discuss, because I dont't want to make this mistake again? I know we can't discuss transplants, child-bearing by CF parents, insensitve people, or Santa. Is there anything else that I shouldn't discuss? I really don't want to p*** off any more people. . .
I was one of those who begged Allie to stay. . .
I only put this in a thread because people were asking me, and Allie asked me to make sure I told the whole story. I felt I owed Allie the respect to see what I said in writting, not keep it as a private message to people. I'm not going to go behind her back. I'm sorry that I don't remember more of Jenn's post, because I don't want it to be held against me as being unfair, but at this point it doesn't matter. The gist of it has been said at least. But I honestly can't remember any name-calling. She didn't believe me before she left, why would she now?
But as far as the rest of your reply, I am TOTALLY BEWILDERED. I never said it was Allie's fault that you defended her. In fact, I would have been astonished if you didn't. I only used your words because they were similar to what Allie had said to me the day before, as I was trying to persuade her to stay. If someone was surprised that you explained, from your point of view, why Allie left, then they would have to be new to this forum, because I totally expected it.
I certainly don't understand the part about "how people blame HER when you step in". I obviously missed something along the way. If this was the impression I gave, it certainly was NEVER my intention--in fact it never occurred to me! I only posted my take on what happened because I am taking responsibilty for my part in it, as was previously requested. I am sorry that Allie got upset.
I also apologize that I didn't understand the rules pertaining to the blogs--that's why this got so out-of-hand. I didn't know that only <b>certain</b> people were allowed to say what they wanted in their blogs, or allowed to make contradictory comments or replys. Is there a list of topics/subjects we are not supposed to discuss, because I dont't want to make this mistake again? I know we can't discuss transplants, child-bearing by CF parents, insensitve people, or Santa. Is there anything else that I shouldn't discuss? I really don't want to p*** off any more people. . .
kayleesgrandma
New member
Emily, you are right, Allie didn't ask for attention in a thread. I retract that statement, as it doesn't apply here. I hope that you realize that I am also in an emotional state, and I agonized over the writting of that reply for a long, long time.
I was one of those who begged Allie to stay. . .
I only put this in a thread because people were asking me, and Allie asked me to make sure I told the whole story. I felt I owed Allie the respect to see what I said in writting, not keep it as a private message to people. I'm not going to go behind her back. I'm sorry that I don't remember more of Jenn's post, because I don't want it to be held against me as being unfair, but at this point it doesn't matter. The gist of it has been said at least. But I honestly can't remember any name-calling. She didn't believe me before she left, why would she now?
But as far as the rest of your reply, I am TOTALLY BEWILDERED. I never said it was Allie's fault that you defended her. In fact, I would have been astonished if you didn't. I only used your words because they were similar to what Allie had said to me the day before, as I was trying to persuade her to stay. If someone was surprised that you explained, from your point of view, why Allie left, then they would have to be new to this forum, because I totally expected it.
I certainly don't understand the part about "how people blame HER when you step in". I obviously missed something along the way. If this was the impression I gave, it certainly was NEVER my intention--in fact it never occurred to me! I only posted my take on what happened because I am taking responsibilty for my part in it, as was previously requested. I am sorry that Allie got upset.
I also apologize that I didn't understand the rules pertaining to the blogs--that's why this got so out-of-hand. I didn't know that only <b>certain</b> people were allowed to say what they wanted in their blogs, or allowed to make contradictory comments or replys. Is there a list of topics/subjects we are not supposed to discuss, because I dont't want to make this mistake again? I know we can't discuss transplants, child-bearing by CF parents, insensitve people, or Santa. Is there anything else that I shouldn't discuss? I really don't want to p*** off any more people. . .
I was one of those who begged Allie to stay. . .
I only put this in a thread because people were asking me, and Allie asked me to make sure I told the whole story. I felt I owed Allie the respect to see what I said in writting, not keep it as a private message to people. I'm not going to go behind her back. I'm sorry that I don't remember more of Jenn's post, because I don't want it to be held against me as being unfair, but at this point it doesn't matter. The gist of it has been said at least. But I honestly can't remember any name-calling. She didn't believe me before she left, why would she now?
But as far as the rest of your reply, I am TOTALLY BEWILDERED. I never said it was Allie's fault that you defended her. In fact, I would have been astonished if you didn't. I only used your words because they were similar to what Allie had said to me the day before, as I was trying to persuade her to stay. If someone was surprised that you explained, from your point of view, why Allie left, then they would have to be new to this forum, because I totally expected it.
I certainly don't understand the part about "how people blame HER when you step in". I obviously missed something along the way. If this was the impression I gave, it certainly was NEVER my intention--in fact it never occurred to me! I only posted my take on what happened because I am taking responsibilty for my part in it, as was previously requested. I am sorry that Allie got upset.
I also apologize that I didn't understand the rules pertaining to the blogs--that's why this got so out-of-hand. I didn't know that only <b>certain</b> people were allowed to say what they wanted in their blogs, or allowed to make contradictory comments or replys. Is there a list of topics/subjects we are not supposed to discuss, because I dont't want to make this mistake again? I know we can't discuss transplants, child-bearing by CF parents, insensitve people, or Santa. Is there anything else that I shouldn't discuss? I really don't want to p*** off any more people. . .
kayleesgrandma
New member
Emily, you are right, Allie didn't ask for attention in a thread. I retract that statement, as it doesn't apply here. I hope that you realize that I am also in an emotional state, and I agonized over the writting of that reply for a long, long time.
I was one of those who begged Allie to stay. . .
I only put this in a thread because people were asking me, and Allie asked me to make sure I told the whole story. I felt I owed Allie the respect to see what I said in writting, not keep it as a private message to people. I'm not going to go behind her back. I'm sorry that I don't remember more of Jenn's post, because I don't want it to be held against me as being unfair, but at this point it doesn't matter. The gist of it has been said at least. But I honestly can't remember any name-calling. She didn't believe me before she left, why would she now?
But as far as the rest of your reply, I am TOTALLY BEWILDERED. I never said it was Allie's fault that you defended her. In fact, I would have been astonished if you didn't. I only used your words because they were similar to what Allie had said to me the day before, as I was trying to persuade her to stay. If someone was surprised that you explained, from your point of view, why Allie left, then they would have to be new to this forum, because I totally expected it.
I certainly don't understand the part about "how people blame HER when you step in". I obviously missed something along the way. If this was the impression I gave, it certainly was NEVER my intention--in fact it never occurred to me! I only posted my take on what happened because I am taking responsibilty for my part in it, as was previously requested. I am sorry that Allie got upset.
I also apologize that I didn't understand the rules pertaining to the blogs--that's why this got so out-of-hand. I didn't know that only <b>certain</b> people were allowed to say what they wanted in their blogs, or allowed to make contradictory comments or replys. Is there a list of topics/subjects we are not supposed to discuss, because I dont't want to make this mistake again? I know we can't discuss transplants, child-bearing by CF parents, insensitve people, or Santa. Is there anything else that I shouldn't discuss? I really don't want to p*** off any more people. . .
I was one of those who begged Allie to stay. . .
I only put this in a thread because people were asking me, and Allie asked me to make sure I told the whole story. I felt I owed Allie the respect to see what I said in writting, not keep it as a private message to people. I'm not going to go behind her back. I'm sorry that I don't remember more of Jenn's post, because I don't want it to be held against me as being unfair, but at this point it doesn't matter. The gist of it has been said at least. But I honestly can't remember any name-calling. She didn't believe me before she left, why would she now?
But as far as the rest of your reply, I am TOTALLY BEWILDERED. I never said it was Allie's fault that you defended her. In fact, I would have been astonished if you didn't. I only used your words because they were similar to what Allie had said to me the day before, as I was trying to persuade her to stay. If someone was surprised that you explained, from your point of view, why Allie left, then they would have to be new to this forum, because I totally expected it.
I certainly don't understand the part about "how people blame HER when you step in". I obviously missed something along the way. If this was the impression I gave, it certainly was NEVER my intention--in fact it never occurred to me! I only posted my take on what happened because I am taking responsibilty for my part in it, as was previously requested. I am sorry that Allie got upset.
I also apologize that I didn't understand the rules pertaining to the blogs--that's why this got so out-of-hand. I didn't know that only <b>certain</b> people were allowed to say what they wanted in their blogs, or allowed to make contradictory comments or replys. Is there a list of topics/subjects we are not supposed to discuss, because I dont't want to make this mistake again? I know we can't discuss transplants, child-bearing by CF parents, insensitve people, or Santa. Is there anything else that I shouldn't discuss? I really don't want to p*** off any more people. . .
There were many things that convinced Allie to leave, not just a heated discussion about Santa. People on this forum have hurt her more than once, telling her many things; Ry gave up and that's why he died so young, that he was stupid for refusing a transplant, that her opinion doesn't matter as much because she isn't herself a CF patient...and it goes on and on. Not to mention, I think she's had her religion attacked before, as well. Besides that, the Santa thing is incredibly stupid. She's Jewish! Of course her child doesn't believe in Santa and is probably going to tell other children that they're wrong! My own boyfriend used to do that as a child! Big deal! Santa doesn't even represent the true meaning of Christmas, anyway! So why did it turn into such an issue!? ...you know what, scratch that. I don't even want to know. The point is, Allie left for many reasons, all built up. And yes, she should have told people to kiss it once in a while, but that isn't her nature. She doesn't come right out and say, "Screw you!" And maybe, in retrospect, that's a good thing.
There were many things that convinced Allie to leave, not just a heated discussion about Santa. People on this forum have hurt her more than once, telling her many things; Ry gave up and that's why he died so young, that he was stupid for refusing a transplant, that her opinion doesn't matter as much because she isn't herself a CF patient...and it goes on and on. Not to mention, I think she's had her religion attacked before, as well. Besides that, the Santa thing is incredibly stupid. She's Jewish! Of course her child doesn't believe in Santa and is probably going to tell other children that they're wrong! My own boyfriend used to do that as a child! Big deal! Santa doesn't even represent the true meaning of Christmas, anyway! So why did it turn into such an issue!? ...you know what, scratch that. I don't even want to know. The point is, Allie left for many reasons, all built up. And yes, she should have told people to kiss it once in a while, but that isn't her nature. She doesn't come right out and say, "Screw you!" And maybe, in retrospect, that's a good thing.
There were many things that convinced Allie to leave, not just a heated discussion about Santa. People on this forum have hurt her more than once, telling her many things; Ry gave up and that's why he died so young, that he was stupid for refusing a transplant, that her opinion doesn't matter as much because she isn't herself a CF patient...and it goes on and on. Not to mention, I think she's had her religion attacked before, as well. Besides that, the Santa thing is incredibly stupid. She's Jewish! Of course her child doesn't believe in Santa and is probably going to tell other children that they're wrong! My own boyfriend used to do that as a child! Big deal! Santa doesn't even represent the true meaning of Christmas, anyway! So why did it turn into such an issue!? ...you know what, scratch that. I don't even want to know. The point is, Allie left for many reasons, all built up. And yes, she should have told people to kiss it once in a while, but that isn't her nature. She doesn't come right out and say, "Screw you!" And maybe, in retrospect, that's a good thing.
kayleesgrandma
New member
Well, I'm not saying good-bye to Allie. She is here, and will show herself when she is ready.
kayleesgrandma
New member
Well, I'm not saying good-bye to Allie. She is here, and will show herself when she is ready.
kayleesgrandma
New member
Well, I'm not saying good-bye to Allie. She is here, and will show herself when she is ready.
For one thing, Allie's blog is the only one that has reached over 25,000 views. Most people's blogs have been viewed in the hundreds. That says a lot I'd say.
I thought Terri's response was quite genuine, nicely explained, and came from a caring place. I know how so many things on this forum (and all forums) can be misconstrued, time and time again. Then if someone apolgoizes and has peaceful intensions, like Terri - then move on. We're all individuals here and have to deal with opposition in life. I just thought Terri's response sounds very thoughtful and straight forward - how she usually is on this site.
I hope Allie can find some peace with herself as well, during this time of year. <img src="i/expressions/sun.gif" border="0">
I thought Terri's response was quite genuine, nicely explained, and came from a caring place. I know how so many things on this forum (and all forums) can be misconstrued, time and time again. Then if someone apolgoizes and has peaceful intensions, like Terri - then move on. We're all individuals here and have to deal with opposition in life. I just thought Terri's response sounds very thoughtful and straight forward - how she usually is on this site.
I hope Allie can find some peace with herself as well, during this time of year. <img src="i/expressions/sun.gif" border="0">