lovingBenandCambree
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Thank you Uli for posting all of the negatives that Marijauna can do. It is illegal for many reasons.
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CF and Marijuana
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Emily65Roses
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Stem cell research is illegal too (not as a whole, I know). Abortion is getting there. Gay marriage. Anyone remember when women or black people couldn't vote? I'm sure there are many more examples.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's bad. Or at least it doesn't mean that the negatives outweigh the positives.
I'm not saying everyone should smoke or eat pot all the live long day. What I <b>am</b> saying is that legalities <i>alone</i> are not a good reason to condone or forbid any given activity.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's bad. Or at least it doesn't mean that the negatives outweigh the positives.
I'm not saying everyone should smoke or eat pot all the live long day. What I <b>am</b> saying is that legalities <i>alone</i> are not a good reason to condone or forbid any given activity.
I think a big problem with legalizing weed is distribution. It's not like alcholol or cigarettes, where it has to be grown in another country or fermented in a vat for three months. You can grow marijuana in your house...in your living room. If they legalized it there would be no way for the government to make much money off of it, aside from maybe taxing it in local cafes.
It's hard to say what you should and shouldn't do. I have a had a very hard time with this. I mean, do I have fun now while I can, and screw myself over later, or do i take care of myself and exclude some of the activities that "normal" people do? For a while I went all out, which included a lot more than pot. I had fun, but i can feel a difference, but I think most of that contributed to cigarettes that i have smoked...and not as much the drinking, weed.
I think it's bs that they say marijuana can do more damage. When I smoke, and especially cause i have cf, I don't smoke 5 freakin huge joints in a night. Furthermore...i don't take the biggest toke i can take and hold it in for a minute. Who are they talking about, like 18 year old crazy college kids? half a joint is not nearly as bad as smoking 25 cigarettes a day....even 5. I don't feel nearly as congested...or just blah.
I think nowadays it's all about balance for me. There is no need to get "really" high or "really" drunk all the time, because even with cf, if you do these things in moderation, you'll be able to do them for a long time. A lot longer, for instance, then if you partied like a rockstar in fear of not being able to later on, and seriously doing some harm.
that's just my two cents <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">
It's hard to say what you should and shouldn't do. I have a had a very hard time with this. I mean, do I have fun now while I can, and screw myself over later, or do i take care of myself and exclude some of the activities that "normal" people do? For a while I went all out, which included a lot more than pot. I had fun, but i can feel a difference, but I think most of that contributed to cigarettes that i have smoked...and not as much the drinking, weed.
I think it's bs that they say marijuana can do more damage. When I smoke, and especially cause i have cf, I don't smoke 5 freakin huge joints in a night. Furthermore...i don't take the biggest toke i can take and hold it in for a minute. Who are they talking about, like 18 year old crazy college kids? half a joint is not nearly as bad as smoking 25 cigarettes a day....even 5. I don't feel nearly as congested...or just blah.
I think nowadays it's all about balance for me. There is no need to get "really" high or "really" drunk all the time, because even with cf, if you do these things in moderation, you'll be able to do them for a long time. A lot longer, for instance, then if you partied like a rockstar in fear of not being able to later on, and seriously doing some harm.
that's just my two cents <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">
TemptressOfTheSea
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Politics and opinions aside...
Allie, thank you for posting that truffle recipe. I'd love to try it, but I have a hard time with the thought of making butter and straining out all the "good stuff." I guess this is a question for anybody who may have an answer. Do you think putting the pot in a spice grinder and then adding it to the butter would be a good idea? That way you're not throwing away anything. I know it probably would make everything taste a little unpleasant, but that is not a big deal to me.
Any thoughts on this?
Allie, thank you for posting that truffle recipe. I'd love to try it, but I have a hard time with the thought of making butter and straining out all the "good stuff." I guess this is a question for anybody who may have an answer. Do you think putting the pot in a spice grinder and then adding it to the butter would be a good idea? That way you're not throwing away anything. I know it probably would make everything taste a little unpleasant, but that is not a big deal to me.
Any thoughts on this?
Emily65Roses
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You can always leave the leaves and stems and seads in the recipe. I have a relative that gives me brownies sometimes, and she cooks them the way she learned when she was a hippie. She leaves in everything. If that's what you're worried about, you can do it, it won't hurt anything, except for the taste.
However, if you cook the weed in the butter long enough, I'm pretty sure you can get all the THC out of it. Therefore, when you throw away the leaves, you're not throwing away anything useful. See what I mean?
However, if you cook the weed in the butter long enough, I'm pretty sure you can get all the THC out of it. Therefore, when you throw away the leaves, you're not throwing away anything useful. See what I mean?
LoveShines4Austin
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>bolligrm</b></i>
I just want to say thanks for all the awesome different views...and
yea my pft's are 158%. the ones before that were 142% and i have
definitely increased my smoking! i've had some emotional times with
my parents going threw a divorce and everything...but i feel way
better knowing I'm not doing this horrible things that i could go
to hell for! its a load of of my back! I'm actually in a study at
the u of m medical center where there testing me and other cf
patients the different characteristics between me (the stomach
problems) and other kind (more lung problems) but i haven't heard
anything lately.</end quote></div>
I'm just curious...do your doctors know you are smoking pot and if so, do they approve? This study that you are in, do they know you are smoking pot? Is that what the study is about? If it's not, and they don't know...how on earth can that be an accurate study?
No, I do NOT approve of this topic but I'm not supposed to judge people, so I won't. Remember, it's not YOU that I don't approve of.
I just want to say thanks for all the awesome different views...and
yea my pft's are 158%. the ones before that were 142% and i have
definitely increased my smoking! i've had some emotional times with
my parents going threw a divorce and everything...but i feel way
better knowing I'm not doing this horrible things that i could go
to hell for! its a load of of my back! I'm actually in a study at
the u of m medical center where there testing me and other cf
patients the different characteristics between me (the stomach
problems) and other kind (more lung problems) but i haven't heard
anything lately.</end quote></div>
I'm just curious...do your doctors know you are smoking pot and if so, do they approve? This study that you are in, do they know you are smoking pot? Is that what the study is about? If it's not, and they don't know...how on earth can that be an accurate study?
No, I do NOT approve of this topic but I'm not supposed to judge people, so I won't. Remember, it's not YOU that I don't approve of.
Emily65Roses
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>LoveShines4Austin</b></i>
No, I do NOT approve of this topic but I'm not supposed to judge people, so I won't. Remember, it's not YOU that I don't approve of.</end quote></div>
Mind you, I am not trying to be a smartass. But by saying you don't approve, aren't you judging?
No, I do NOT approve of this topic but I'm not supposed to judge people, so I won't. Remember, it's not YOU that I don't approve of.</end quote></div>
Mind you, I am not trying to be a smartass. But by saying you don't approve, aren't you judging?
thelizardqueen
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>TemptressOfTheSea</b></i>
Do you think putting the pot in a spice grinder and then adding it to the butter would be a good idea?</end quote></div>
That works too. That's what we've done when we do the brownies, is grind the pot up after taking it off the stem.
Do you think putting the pot in a spice grinder and then adding it to the butter would be a good idea?</end quote></div>
That works too. That's what we've done when we do the brownies, is grind the pot up after taking it off the stem.
LoveShines4Austin
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>LoveShines4Austin</b></i>
No, I do NOT approve of this topic but I'm not supposed to judge people, so I won't. Remember, it's not YOU that I don't approve of.</end quote></div>
Mind you, I am not trying to be a smartass. But by saying you don't approve, aren't you judging?</end quote></div>
No Emily. I don't approve of pot. I can't judge anyone that smokes it...and I don't. It's a person's choice to do with their body whatever they want. Please understand that it's kinda tough for me to see people approving of it, just as it must be tough for people to see me disapproving of it. *shrugs* I was just kinda shocked to see it in an open forum...no biggie. I just wanted to know about the study. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>LoveShines4Austin</b></i>
No, I do NOT approve of this topic but I'm not supposed to judge people, so I won't. Remember, it's not YOU that I don't approve of.</end quote></div>
Mind you, I am not trying to be a smartass. But by saying you don't approve, aren't you judging?</end quote></div>
No Emily. I don't approve of pot. I can't judge anyone that smokes it...and I don't. It's a person's choice to do with their body whatever they want. Please understand that it's kinda tough for me to see people approving of it, just as it must be tough for people to see me disapproving of it. *shrugs* I was just kinda shocked to see it in an open forum...no biggie. I just wanted to know about the study. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
Emily65Roses
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So you're judging the activity, not the person? I guess that makes sense. Thanks for explaining.
LoveShines4Austin
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Emily,
Thanks for asking me to clear that up. You see, I love someone VERY much that has a problem with pot. It kills me to see him not be able to make it through the day without smoking atleast 3 or 4 times. He's 51 and works 2 dead end jobs. We've been apart 7 years and he's still my best friend but I stopped asking him about it, because it's his choice. Our daughter knows, and it kills her. There is a drug awareness program at her school and they were given the same information that the last anon poster posted. She cries about it a lot. She's going to be 12 this month and she hasn't got the nerve to talk to him about it yet. One day she will.
I tried pot once when I was 18. I had a lit cigarette in one hand and the pipe in the other. Stupid me didn't know you weren't supposed to use the flame from a cigarette to light a pot pipe! LOL I guess I was lucky that I did it that way, because the taste and the smell made me go throw up. To this day, the smell makes me gag. I tried once, when we were still together, to smoke it with my ex, to try to understand WHY he was doing it. It did nothing good for me. I felt paranoid and uncomfortable. I've been clean and sober for over 10 years now, so trying it again is out of the question. But I've never been in as much pain as a person with CF must go through on their worst days, so again, I can't judge...and I can't say that I wouldn't give up my sobriety if I was ever in that much pain. <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
Thanks for asking me to clear that up. You see, I love someone VERY much that has a problem with pot. It kills me to see him not be able to make it through the day without smoking atleast 3 or 4 times. He's 51 and works 2 dead end jobs. We've been apart 7 years and he's still my best friend but I stopped asking him about it, because it's his choice. Our daughter knows, and it kills her. There is a drug awareness program at her school and they were given the same information that the last anon poster posted. She cries about it a lot. She's going to be 12 this month and she hasn't got the nerve to talk to him about it yet. One day she will.
I tried pot once when I was 18. I had a lit cigarette in one hand and the pipe in the other. Stupid me didn't know you weren't supposed to use the flame from a cigarette to light a pot pipe! LOL I guess I was lucky that I did it that way, because the taste and the smell made me go throw up. To this day, the smell makes me gag. I tried once, when we were still together, to smoke it with my ex, to try to understand WHY he was doing it. It did nothing good for me. I felt paranoid and uncomfortable. I've been clean and sober for over 10 years now, so trying it again is out of the question. But I've never been in as much pain as a person with CF must go through on their worst days, so again, I can't judge...and I can't say that I wouldn't give up my sobriety if I was ever in that much pain. <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
Scarlett81
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The problem I have with it, which is the reason I stated what I did before is this:
This is just my personal opinion, just to make that clear first, but I don't think that its ok to pick and chose which laws we should follow. If they're there, they're there, and until they're reformed, I try to follow them. I also think that most people don't take into account to crime that goes into getting pot into this country. The majority is not grown in 'Johnnys' backyard in Oklahoma. It's often from other countries, and introduced into a criminal organization to be distributed. Organizations, or gangs that don't care how they sell it, they'll do anyhting to sell it. And yes, from a practical standpoint, while you sit and inhale it or ingest it, it may not be harming you anymore that Percoset, think about all the places it's been through to get to your living room. Think of the innocent people that are harmed EVERY DAY due to drug trafficking.
But, maybe you don't care about that, and all sarcasm aside, especially when you're young, you just don't think about things like that. That's normal. Well, I don't care if you're talking about alcohol, percoset, any narcotic, pot, coke, whatever. It's an addictive substance. And I personally come from loser selfish parents who started out at 14, just smoking some harmless pot every few weeks with their friends. But until you start, and especially if you're young, you don't know if you have an addictive personality. Or how long it could take for you to have one. My parents started out innocently enough-and that turns to other addicitons, and them doing things to keep feeding their addictions, till they've ruined their lives to the point of leaving their jobs, children (me), and everything else.
So, and I'm not singling anyone out by saying this-don't tell me that a little pot is harmless.
B/c sure, you can be lucky and just end up 'experimenting', or you can just as easily be sucked into a hole.
This is just my personal opinion, just to make that clear first, but I don't think that its ok to pick and chose which laws we should follow. If they're there, they're there, and until they're reformed, I try to follow them. I also think that most people don't take into account to crime that goes into getting pot into this country. The majority is not grown in 'Johnnys' backyard in Oklahoma. It's often from other countries, and introduced into a criminal organization to be distributed. Organizations, or gangs that don't care how they sell it, they'll do anyhting to sell it. And yes, from a practical standpoint, while you sit and inhale it or ingest it, it may not be harming you anymore that Percoset, think about all the places it's been through to get to your living room. Think of the innocent people that are harmed EVERY DAY due to drug trafficking.
But, maybe you don't care about that, and all sarcasm aside, especially when you're young, you just don't think about things like that. That's normal. Well, I don't care if you're talking about alcohol, percoset, any narcotic, pot, coke, whatever. It's an addictive substance. And I personally come from loser selfish parents who started out at 14, just smoking some harmless pot every few weeks with their friends. But until you start, and especially if you're young, you don't know if you have an addictive personality. Or how long it could take for you to have one. My parents started out innocently enough-and that turns to other addicitons, and them doing things to keep feeding their addictions, till they've ruined their lives to the point of leaving their jobs, children (me), and everything else.
So, and I'm not singling anyone out by saying this-don't tell me that a little pot is harmless.
B/c sure, you can be lucky and just end up 'experimenting', or you can just as easily be sucked into a hole.
And you have valid points, and most if not all of those points would be either greatly lessened or erased if it was legalized and controled, just like alcohol is now. Alcohol destroys whole families, is present in over 85% of all violent crimes committed, is very addicting, is related to a vast majority of motor vehicle deaths, and is related to countless health problems...And it's legal?
I'm not a pot smoker myself, I just smell BS when I smell BS regardless what side of the fence I mostly sit on. For some ultra stupid reason, the US hasn't legalized a substance that could be made much safer (supposedly, but then look at tobacco companies and what they add to smokes), bring in TONS of revenue to fund state programs, is much less worse than alcohol regarding it's impact on society and the home structure, and many people would enjoy it.
Amsterdam is a good case in point. You can go to any cafe and get BLOWN out of your mind stoned, and also if you choose to, to get drunk out of your mind. You can also (if you choose) go and patronize a prostitute. I certainly don't see their country falling into chaos due to having these choices.
There is no real logical argument for why marijuana is illegal, and alcohol is legal. It just makes zero sense.
Instead of channeling countless tons of tax payer money to fight "the drug war", or atleast the marijuana side of it, legalize it, tax it out the booty, and control it just like cigs and alcohol, and use the revenue to actually help people here.
And if someone wants to go with the "It will really screw people up" line, please. As it currently stands, you have the freedom to go out and drink and get trashed whenever you want, but if you try and drive like that it's a DUI, if you try to go to work while trashed it = fired. Same applies to pot.
I'm not a pot smoker myself, I just smell BS when I smell BS regardless what side of the fence I mostly sit on. For some ultra stupid reason, the US hasn't legalized a substance that could be made much safer (supposedly, but then look at tobacco companies and what they add to smokes), bring in TONS of revenue to fund state programs, is much less worse than alcohol regarding it's impact on society and the home structure, and many people would enjoy it.
Amsterdam is a good case in point. You can go to any cafe and get BLOWN out of your mind stoned, and also if you choose to, to get drunk out of your mind. You can also (if you choose) go and patronize a prostitute. I certainly don't see their country falling into chaos due to having these choices.
There is no real logical argument for why marijuana is illegal, and alcohol is legal. It just makes zero sense.
Instead of channeling countless tons of tax payer money to fight "the drug war", or atleast the marijuana side of it, legalize it, tax it out the booty, and control it just like cigs and alcohol, and use the revenue to actually help people here.
And if someone wants to go with the "It will really screw people up" line, please. As it currently stands, you have the freedom to go out and drink and get trashed whenever you want, but if you try and drive like that it's a DUI, if you try to go to work while trashed it = fired. Same applies to pot.
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skh
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I was just told recently that pot was legal in Alaska, is that true? Just curious.
Allie, you made me laugh. Someone who claims not to be able to cook but could pass on a recipe for pot brownies - is that what you call them? I am not a cook either and I could just imagine what my family would say if I suddenly made up a batch of these brownies lol.
Just for the record, I have never done any illegal drugs and am not sure how I feel about all of this. I know my brother tried to grow pot in our backyard way back when and my parents never caught on. It took one of my uncles to point this out to them - my poor mom & dad!
Sue
Allie, you made me laugh. Someone who claims not to be able to cook but could pass on a recipe for pot brownies - is that what you call them? I am not a cook either and I could just imagine what my family would say if I suddenly made up a batch of these brownies lol.
Just for the record, I have never done any illegal drugs and am not sure how I feel about all of this. I know my brother tried to grow pot in our backyard way back when and my parents never caught on. It took one of my uncles to point this out to them - my poor mom & dad!
Sue
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>skh</b></i>
I was just told recently that pot was legal in Alaska, is that true? Just curious.
</end quote></div>
Well I can't speak for Alaska because I don't know, but there are a couple U.S. states that have very lax pot laws. One of them is Arizona. They still basically don't like the providers, but a few of them have laws like, if you get busted with a gram or under you haven't done anything illegal. If you get busted with your truck of your car filled with bricks of pot, that's a different story. I think the newer lax laws have most to do with trying to differentiate between personal use, and those who are selling it in large quantities. I think the same applies in some places with regards to growing your own. If the cops show up on a domestic violence call and you have say 5 plants growing, they won't care. If you have a whole warehouse with high end hydroponic gear cranking out product, they will put their boot in your hiney.
Sadly this belief isn't as widespread as it should be. I think Canada also has some fairly lax pot laws as well, considering some of the conversations I have seen on other forums from Canadian people.
I was just told recently that pot was legal in Alaska, is that true? Just curious.
</end quote></div>
Well I can't speak for Alaska because I don't know, but there are a couple U.S. states that have very lax pot laws. One of them is Arizona. They still basically don't like the providers, but a few of them have laws like, if you get busted with a gram or under you haven't done anything illegal. If you get busted with your truck of your car filled with bricks of pot, that's a different story. I think the newer lax laws have most to do with trying to differentiate between personal use, and those who are selling it in large quantities. I think the same applies in some places with regards to growing your own. If the cops show up on a domestic violence call and you have say 5 plants growing, they won't care. If you have a whole warehouse with high end hydroponic gear cranking out product, they will put their boot in your hiney.
Sadly this belief isn't as widespread as it should be. I think Canada also has some fairly lax pot laws as well, considering some of the conversations I have seen on other forums from Canadian people.
thelizardqueen
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Here in Canada you are allowed to have 2 grams or under, and the cops will tell you 'don't smoke that here.' - no fines, no jail time, etc. If you have more then 2 grams of pot on your person, depending on how much you have you will get a fine or misdemeanor charge. So I've heard. I've never been caught or in trouble with the cops for this.
Sorry SeanDavis, for me thats not logical! You want to be a policeman and act to your own (homemade and fitting your wishes) laws or what?
Just because some unhealthy things are still legal (like alcohol and tobacco), Marijuana should also be legal???And next: all the other drugs or what?
Nearly everyone who posted here seems to appreciate anti-smoking-laws like the new one in that californian city, but you all want marijuana to be legal???
Emily states in her blog, that everyone who smokes is silly and that she does not feel pity if he/she geets cancer from it, because its his own fault.
And if CFers,whose health is already bad consume alcohol or marijuana its ok or what?
Uli,43,Germany
Just because some unhealthy things are still legal (like alcohol and tobacco), Marijuana should also be legal???And next: all the other drugs or what?
Nearly everyone who posted here seems to appreciate anti-smoking-laws like the new one in that californian city, but you all want marijuana to be legal???
Emily states in her blog, that everyone who smokes is silly and that she does not feel pity if he/she geets cancer from it, because its his own fault.
And if CFers,whose health is already bad consume alcohol or marijuana its ok or what?
Uli,43,Germany
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>
Sorry SeanDavis, for me thats not logical! You want to be a policeman and act to your own (homemade and fitting your wishes) laws or what?
Just because some unhealthy things are still legal (like alcohol and tobacco), Marijuana should also be legal???And next: all the other drugs or what?
Nearly everyone who posted here seems to appreciate anti-smoking-laws like the new one in that californian city, but you all want marijuana to be legal???
Emily states in her blog, that everyone who smokes is silly and that she does not feel pity if he/she geets cancer from it, because its his own fault.
And if CFers,whose health is already bad consume alcohol or marijuana its ok or what?
Uli,43,Germany</end quote></div>
Here is the logic, it's pretty simple: Cigarettes are EXTREMELY unhealthy, and people gain nothing from their use besides bad health side effects with prolonged use (cancer, heart disease, emphycema, etc etc). The tobacco companies have been busted adding TONS of other ingredients to their product that does nothing but harm us, their tobacco is far from "natural". Most people I know are a "pack a day" smoker, some much more than that. And as we all know cigs are extremely addictive, some say even more so than heroin. Cigarettes, for all their evil in general (first hand and second hand smoke) are 100% legal. The state taxes the living hell out of them, and uses that revenue to fund schools and health programs statewide per the cigarette revenue taken in.
Alcohol is the same way. It's negative health aspects are well documented (even though it does have some positive health aspects in moderation), it destroys entire families due to it's addiction and ready availability, and is a known carcinogen. 85%+ of all violent crimes committed have alcohol as a precursor. A very large percentage of vehicle fatalities are directly attributed to alcohol consumption. Most date rape type scenarios involve alcohol.
I could go on and on but i'm sure you get my point. Cigarettes and Alcohol are very damaging to our health and society as a whole, but guess what? They are 100% legal and we have the CHOICE to use them or not. The government oversees both substances distribution, and controls them with an iron fist through extremely expensive licenses on every level of manufacture and distribution.
Marijuana has been said to be worse for our bodies compared to cigarettes due to it's high tar content, and seemingly equal carcinogenic properties. There has been other scholarly research that stated that there are special substances in marijuana that counteract many of the carcinogenic properties in it's smoke, within our lungs, and that would explain why exclusive pot smokers (and not cig smokers also) rarely if ever develope lung cancer.
There are real patients of chronic diseases (CF included) that swear by the use of marijuana to ease their diseases symptoms, as well as many doctors who also feel it helps them. Aside from potential soothing of chronic illnesses, marijuana also acts on the brain in such a way to cause a soothing sensation, a form of tranquility. These states have helped many manic depressive individuals.
On top of that, marijuana (if it doesnt have purposeful additives) grows right from the earth, and is MUCH more pure of contaminants that cigarettes are. As for it's tar content, the reason why some research states it is 20:1 higher compared to cigarettes, cigarettes would have the same level if it weren't for the fact that each commercial cigarette has nearly two inches of extremely dense filtration on each end that you suck the smoke through. Pot in it's rolled form has nothing, hence the "much higher tar".
If you use water filtration (water bong - which MANY people do) with marijuana, you can eliminate atleast 90% of the tar, and that is much more than the efficiency of the tobacco filters on cigarettes.
Add to all that, that there has NEVER been a single case of anyone O.D.ing or dying due to marijuana use, and that you can't become addicted to marijuana on a phyical level, and there is ZERO logic as to why it should be illegal while cigarettes and especially alcohol are legal.
I am not an advocate to legalize ALL drugs, clearly some are just way too addictive and destructive inherantly, but within reason, I'm generally a libertarian by nature. I feel people should have the right to choose what they want to do as long as it doesn't harm others (alcohol sure does, as does cigarettes), and everyone involved is concensual.
PLENTY of our founding fathers and early patriots that fought for and spilled their blood for what this country is today, were pot smokers. Not to mention the Native American Indians have been smoking pot and eating Peyote for countless centuries.
There's your logic. Still think it doesn't make sense?
Sorry SeanDavis, for me thats not logical! You want to be a policeman and act to your own (homemade and fitting your wishes) laws or what?
Just because some unhealthy things are still legal (like alcohol and tobacco), Marijuana should also be legal???And next: all the other drugs or what?
Nearly everyone who posted here seems to appreciate anti-smoking-laws like the new one in that californian city, but you all want marijuana to be legal???
Emily states in her blog, that everyone who smokes is silly and that she does not feel pity if he/she geets cancer from it, because its his own fault.
And if CFers,whose health is already bad consume alcohol or marijuana its ok or what?
Uli,43,Germany</end quote></div>
Here is the logic, it's pretty simple: Cigarettes are EXTREMELY unhealthy, and people gain nothing from their use besides bad health side effects with prolonged use (cancer, heart disease, emphycema, etc etc). The tobacco companies have been busted adding TONS of other ingredients to their product that does nothing but harm us, their tobacco is far from "natural". Most people I know are a "pack a day" smoker, some much more than that. And as we all know cigs are extremely addictive, some say even more so than heroin. Cigarettes, for all their evil in general (first hand and second hand smoke) are 100% legal. The state taxes the living hell out of them, and uses that revenue to fund schools and health programs statewide per the cigarette revenue taken in.
Alcohol is the same way. It's negative health aspects are well documented (even though it does have some positive health aspects in moderation), it destroys entire families due to it's addiction and ready availability, and is a known carcinogen. 85%+ of all violent crimes committed have alcohol as a precursor. A very large percentage of vehicle fatalities are directly attributed to alcohol consumption. Most date rape type scenarios involve alcohol.
I could go on and on but i'm sure you get my point. Cigarettes and Alcohol are very damaging to our health and society as a whole, but guess what? They are 100% legal and we have the CHOICE to use them or not. The government oversees both substances distribution, and controls them with an iron fist through extremely expensive licenses on every level of manufacture and distribution.
Marijuana has been said to be worse for our bodies compared to cigarettes due to it's high tar content, and seemingly equal carcinogenic properties. There has been other scholarly research that stated that there are special substances in marijuana that counteract many of the carcinogenic properties in it's smoke, within our lungs, and that would explain why exclusive pot smokers (and not cig smokers also) rarely if ever develope lung cancer.
There are real patients of chronic diseases (CF included) that swear by the use of marijuana to ease their diseases symptoms, as well as many doctors who also feel it helps them. Aside from potential soothing of chronic illnesses, marijuana also acts on the brain in such a way to cause a soothing sensation, a form of tranquility. These states have helped many manic depressive individuals.
On top of that, marijuana (if it doesnt have purposeful additives) grows right from the earth, and is MUCH more pure of contaminants that cigarettes are. As for it's tar content, the reason why some research states it is 20:1 higher compared to cigarettes, cigarettes would have the same level if it weren't for the fact that each commercial cigarette has nearly two inches of extremely dense filtration on each end that you suck the smoke through. Pot in it's rolled form has nothing, hence the "much higher tar".
If you use water filtration (water bong - which MANY people do) with marijuana, you can eliminate atleast 90% of the tar, and that is much more than the efficiency of the tobacco filters on cigarettes.
Add to all that, that there has NEVER been a single case of anyone O.D.ing or dying due to marijuana use, and that you can't become addicted to marijuana on a phyical level, and there is ZERO logic as to why it should be illegal while cigarettes and especially alcohol are legal.
I am not an advocate to legalize ALL drugs, clearly some are just way too addictive and destructive inherantly, but within reason, I'm generally a libertarian by nature. I feel people should have the right to choose what they want to do as long as it doesn't harm others (alcohol sure does, as does cigarettes), and everyone involved is concensual.
PLENTY of our founding fathers and early patriots that fought for and spilled their blood for what this country is today, were pot smokers. Not to mention the Native American Indians have been smoking pot and eating Peyote for countless centuries.
There's your logic. Still think it doesn't make sense?
Not to mention, many of the negative effects come from smoking it, not eating it. I really don't care if people do it or not, but I'd rather they not smoke it. When Ry was horribly sick, it made him feel better, if only for a while, and so I'd do it again.
But to each their own
But to each their own