I don't think I am a carrier (had the test that checks for the most common genes, not the full one yet), but if I am I will adopt or do IVF, if we have kids at all. That being said, if I were to accidentally get pregnant (which really couoldn't happen, but anyway) and found out the baby had cf, I would keep it. Not only do I have experience with cf, but I work every day with babies and toddlers with all kinds of illnesses and diabilities. I know it's not only about what I can handle, but what they can handle. In life there is suffering, but also joy. If you can prevent the suffering, you absolutely should, but once a life is already there (and I realize other's definition of life is different from mine and that is fine) then my belief is they are already fighting. I know personally that I will love my baby the second I know of it's existence. I highly doubt anyone feels they wish they were aborted. (I respect everyone else's opinions about this).
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if you knew your unborn child had cf would you abort it
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I don't think I am a carrier (had the test that checks for the most common genes, not the full one yet), but if I am I will adopt or do IVF, if we have kids at all. That being said, if I were to accidentally get pregnant (which really couoldn't happen, but anyway) and found out the baby had cf, I would keep it. Not only do I have experience with cf, but I work every day with babies and toddlers with all kinds of illnesses and diabilities. I know it's not only about what I can handle, but what they can handle. In life there is suffering, but also joy. If you can prevent the suffering, you absolutely should, but once a life is already there (and I realize other's definition of life is different from mine and that is fine) then my belief is they are already fighting. I know personally that I will love my baby the second I know of it's existence. I highly doubt anyone feels they wish they were aborted. (I respect everyone else's opinions about this).
I don't think I am a carrier (had the test that checks for the most common genes, not the full one yet), but if I am I will adopt or do IVF, if we have kids at all. That being said, if I were to accidentally get pregnant (which really couoldn't happen, but anyway) and found out the baby had cf, I would keep it. Not only do I have experience with cf, but I work every day with babies and toddlers with all kinds of illnesses and diabilities. I know it's not only about what I can handle, but what they can handle. In life there is suffering, but also joy. If you can prevent the suffering, you absolutely should, but once a life is already there (and I realize other's definition of life is different from mine and that is fine) then my belief is they are already fighting. I know personally that I will love my baby the second I know of it's existence. I highly doubt anyone feels they wish they were aborted. (I respect everyone else's opinions about this).
A woman was in a state of desperate anxiety, for her son was dying.
She went to the Buddha, and got down on her knees and begged him
"Buddha, I have heard you can heal people and cure them of their illnesses...I beg you to please, please heal my dying son!"
The Buddha smiled at her with compassion and said
"I will heal your son, but I require one thing. You must go to a neighbour's house and collect a single mustard seed and bring it to me. But there is one important thing: the house you collect the seed from must not have been ever corrupted by any kind of sadness or suffering. When you find me such a mustard seed and bring it to me, then I shall cure your son of his illness."
"Oh THANK YOU!" the woman cried, and ran off as fast as she could to the village to find the mustard seed that would cure her son.
At the first house she went to an old woman answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would give you a mustard seed gladly, but my husband died two years ago"
At the second house, a man answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would help you if I could, but my two young children died of fever a month ago"
At the tenth house she went to, the door was answered by an eight year old girl surrounded by younger children. "I'm sorry, we don't have any mustard seeds either, and if we did, they would not help you for our parents died six months ago"
The woman went to every single house in the village, but not a single household could give her a single mustard seed that was free from sadness and suffering.
She went back to the Buddha and got to her knees again.
"I'm ashamed, now. I see that nobody is exempt from suffering. Forgive me."
When the Buddha saw that she had realized the nature of reality, he cured her son's illness.
She went to the Buddha, and got down on her knees and begged him
"Buddha, I have heard you can heal people and cure them of their illnesses...I beg you to please, please heal my dying son!"
The Buddha smiled at her with compassion and said
"I will heal your son, but I require one thing. You must go to a neighbour's house and collect a single mustard seed and bring it to me. But there is one important thing: the house you collect the seed from must not have been ever corrupted by any kind of sadness or suffering. When you find me such a mustard seed and bring it to me, then I shall cure your son of his illness."
"Oh THANK YOU!" the woman cried, and ran off as fast as she could to the village to find the mustard seed that would cure her son.
At the first house she went to an old woman answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would give you a mustard seed gladly, but my husband died two years ago"
At the second house, a man answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would help you if I could, but my two young children died of fever a month ago"
At the tenth house she went to, the door was answered by an eight year old girl surrounded by younger children. "I'm sorry, we don't have any mustard seeds either, and if we did, they would not help you for our parents died six months ago"
The woman went to every single house in the village, but not a single household could give her a single mustard seed that was free from sadness and suffering.
She went back to the Buddha and got to her knees again.
"I'm ashamed, now. I see that nobody is exempt from suffering. Forgive me."
When the Buddha saw that she had realized the nature of reality, he cured her son's illness.
A woman was in a state of desperate anxiety, for her son was dying.
She went to the Buddha, and got down on her knees and begged him
"Buddha, I have heard you can heal people and cure them of their illnesses...I beg you to please, please heal my dying son!"
The Buddha smiled at her with compassion and said
"I will heal your son, but I require one thing. You must go to a neighbour's house and collect a single mustard seed and bring it to me. But there is one important thing: the house you collect the seed from must not have been ever corrupted by any kind of sadness or suffering. When you find me such a mustard seed and bring it to me, then I shall cure your son of his illness."
"Oh THANK YOU!" the woman cried, and ran off as fast as she could to the village to find the mustard seed that would cure her son.
At the first house she went to an old woman answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would give you a mustard seed gladly, but my husband died two years ago"
At the second house, a man answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would help you if I could, but my two young children died of fever a month ago"
At the tenth house she went to, the door was answered by an eight year old girl surrounded by younger children. "I'm sorry, we don't have any mustard seeds either, and if we did, they would not help you for our parents died six months ago"
The woman went to every single house in the village, but not a single household could give her a single mustard seed that was free from sadness and suffering.
She went back to the Buddha and got to her knees again.
"I'm ashamed, now. I see that nobody is exempt from suffering. Forgive me."
When the Buddha saw that she had realized the nature of reality, he cured her son's illness.
She went to the Buddha, and got down on her knees and begged him
"Buddha, I have heard you can heal people and cure them of their illnesses...I beg you to please, please heal my dying son!"
The Buddha smiled at her with compassion and said
"I will heal your son, but I require one thing. You must go to a neighbour's house and collect a single mustard seed and bring it to me. But there is one important thing: the house you collect the seed from must not have been ever corrupted by any kind of sadness or suffering. When you find me such a mustard seed and bring it to me, then I shall cure your son of his illness."
"Oh THANK YOU!" the woman cried, and ran off as fast as she could to the village to find the mustard seed that would cure her son.
At the first house she went to an old woman answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would give you a mustard seed gladly, but my husband died two years ago"
At the second house, a man answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would help you if I could, but my two young children died of fever a month ago"
At the tenth house she went to, the door was answered by an eight year old girl surrounded by younger children. "I'm sorry, we don't have any mustard seeds either, and if we did, they would not help you for our parents died six months ago"
The woman went to every single house in the village, but not a single household could give her a single mustard seed that was free from sadness and suffering.
She went back to the Buddha and got to her knees again.
"I'm ashamed, now. I see that nobody is exempt from suffering. Forgive me."
When the Buddha saw that she had realized the nature of reality, he cured her son's illness.
A woman was in a state of desperate anxiety, for her son was dying.
She went to the Buddha, and got down on her knees and begged him
"Buddha, I have heard you can heal people and cure them of their illnesses...I beg you to please, please heal my dying son!"
The Buddha smiled at her with compassion and said
"I will heal your son, but I require one thing. You must go to a neighbour's house and collect a single mustard seed and bring it to me. But there is one important thing: the house you collect the seed from must not have been ever corrupted by any kind of sadness or suffering. When you find me such a mustard seed and bring it to me, then I shall cure your son of his illness."
"Oh THANK YOU!" the woman cried, and ran off as fast as she could to the village to find the mustard seed that would cure her son.
At the first house she went to an old woman answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would give you a mustard seed gladly, but my husband died two years ago"
At the second house, a man answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would help you if I could, but my two young children died of fever a month ago"
At the tenth house she went to, the door was answered by an eight year old girl surrounded by younger children. "I'm sorry, we don't have any mustard seeds either, and if we did, they would not help you for our parents died six months ago"
The woman went to every single house in the village, but not a single household could give her a single mustard seed that was free from sadness and suffering.
She went back to the Buddha and got to her knees again.
"I'm ashamed, now. I see that nobody is exempt from suffering. Forgive me."
When the Buddha saw that she had realized the nature of reality, he cured her son's illness.
She went to the Buddha, and got down on her knees and begged him
"Buddha, I have heard you can heal people and cure them of their illnesses...I beg you to please, please heal my dying son!"
The Buddha smiled at her with compassion and said
"I will heal your son, but I require one thing. You must go to a neighbour's house and collect a single mustard seed and bring it to me. But there is one important thing: the house you collect the seed from must not have been ever corrupted by any kind of sadness or suffering. When you find me such a mustard seed and bring it to me, then I shall cure your son of his illness."
"Oh THANK YOU!" the woman cried, and ran off as fast as she could to the village to find the mustard seed that would cure her son.
At the first house she went to an old woman answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would give you a mustard seed gladly, but my husband died two years ago"
At the second house, a man answered the door. "I'm sorry, I would help you if I could, but my two young children died of fever a month ago"
At the tenth house she went to, the door was answered by an eight year old girl surrounded by younger children. "I'm sorry, we don't have any mustard seeds either, and if we did, they would not help you for our parents died six months ago"
The woman went to every single house in the village, but not a single household could give her a single mustard seed that was free from sadness and suffering.
She went back to the Buddha and got to her knees again.
"I'm ashamed, now. I see that nobody is exempt from suffering. Forgive me."
When the Buddha saw that she had realized the nature of reality, he cured her son's illness.
debs2girls
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Hermit, that was great .......THANK YOU
debs2girls
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Hermit, that was great .......THANK YOU
debs2girls
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Hermit, that was great .......THANK YOU
littledebbie
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I think it is interesting that many responses seem to revolve around the fact that the parent would love the child no matter what and so of course they would have the baby and not so much focused on the life that child would have.
also, I think maybe we should quit using downs as an example of another disease in which you would not terminate because while downs comes with it's own complications in life it is my understanding that there's not much physical suffering involved.
And knowing what I know of CF - yes, I would terminate the pregnancy. And I don't think it makes much sense to have a child today with the thought that by the time they are a teenager medicine will have this disease well in hand....we all know how long ago they found the gene....*yawn*...the cure is right around the corner I'm sure *sarcasm*
also, I think maybe we should quit using downs as an example of another disease in which you would not terminate because while downs comes with it's own complications in life it is my understanding that there's not much physical suffering involved.
And knowing what I know of CF - yes, I would terminate the pregnancy. And I don't think it makes much sense to have a child today with the thought that by the time they are a teenager medicine will have this disease well in hand....we all know how long ago they found the gene....*yawn*...the cure is right around the corner I'm sure *sarcasm*
littledebbie
New member
I think it is interesting that many responses seem to revolve around the fact that the parent would love the child no matter what and so of course they would have the baby and not so much focused on the life that child would have.
also, I think maybe we should quit using downs as an example of another disease in which you would not terminate because while downs comes with it's own complications in life it is my understanding that there's not much physical suffering involved.
And knowing what I know of CF - yes, I would terminate the pregnancy. And I don't think it makes much sense to have a child today with the thought that by the time they are a teenager medicine will have this disease well in hand....we all know how long ago they found the gene....*yawn*...the cure is right around the corner I'm sure *sarcasm*
also, I think maybe we should quit using downs as an example of another disease in which you would not terminate because while downs comes with it's own complications in life it is my understanding that there's not much physical suffering involved.
And knowing what I know of CF - yes, I would terminate the pregnancy. And I don't think it makes much sense to have a child today with the thought that by the time they are a teenager medicine will have this disease well in hand....we all know how long ago they found the gene....*yawn*...the cure is right around the corner I'm sure *sarcasm*
littledebbie
New member
I think it is interesting that many responses seem to revolve around the fact that the parent would love the child no matter what and so of course they would have the baby and not so much focused on the life that child would have.
also, I think maybe we should quit using downs as an example of another disease in which you would not terminate because while downs comes with it's own complications in life it is my understanding that there's not much physical suffering involved.
And knowing what I know of CF - yes, I would terminate the pregnancy. And I don't think it makes much sense to have a child today with the thought that by the time they are a teenager medicine will have this disease well in hand....we all know how long ago they found the gene....*yawn*...the cure is right around the corner I'm sure *sarcasm*
also, I think maybe we should quit using downs as an example of another disease in which you would not terminate because while downs comes with it's own complications in life it is my understanding that there's not much physical suffering involved.
And knowing what I know of CF - yes, I would terminate the pregnancy. And I don't think it makes much sense to have a child today with the thought that by the time they are a teenager medicine will have this disease well in hand....we all know how long ago they found the gene....*yawn*...the cure is right around the corner I'm sure *sarcasm*
littledebbie
New member
Hermit: I'm a little confused by the story.....yes, everyone in life suffers....does that make us somehow wrong to look to be relieved or spared from our particular suffering. I mean I don't think CF is the worst or anything but you better bet I would sure like to not have it anymore. And I would like to not be dying so stinkin young etc. And if we just accept that everyone suffers *shrug* why does anyone bother to cure anything? I am obviously missing the point of the story and why it's relevant. I'm not trying to be a brat it just seems other people are seeing your point and it flew over my head <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
littledebbie
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Hermit: I'm a little confused by the story.....yes, everyone in life suffers....does that make us somehow wrong to look to be relieved or spared from our particular suffering. I mean I don't think CF is the worst or anything but you better bet I would sure like to not have it anymore. And I would like to not be dying so stinkin young etc. And if we just accept that everyone suffers *shrug* why does anyone bother to cure anything? I am obviously missing the point of the story and why it's relevant. I'm not trying to be a brat it just seems other people are seeing your point and it flew over my head <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
littledebbie
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Hermit: I'm a little confused by the story.....yes, everyone in life suffers....does that make us somehow wrong to look to be relieved or spared from our particular suffering. I mean I don't think CF is the worst or anything but you better bet I would sure like to not have it anymore. And I would like to not be dying so stinkin young etc. And if we just accept that everyone suffers *shrug* why does anyone bother to cure anything? I am obviously missing the point of the story and why it's relevant. I'm not trying to be a brat it just seems other people are seeing your point and it flew over my head <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
I was a bit confused by Hermits story also, but thought it was me and figured it meant something to someone else.
<b>I dont mean to harp on things, but please keep the civil flow of this thread going. I was just bragging to Jeanne & she commended us on how such a hot topic is being handled so well.</b>
<b>I dont mean to harp on things, but please keep the civil flow of this thread going. I was just bragging to Jeanne & she commended us on how such a hot topic is being handled so well.</b>
I was a bit confused by Hermits story also, but thought it was me and figured it meant something to someone else.
<b>I dont mean to harp on things, but please keep the civil flow of this thread going. I was just bragging to Jeanne & she commended us on how such a hot topic is being handled so well.</b>
<b>I dont mean to harp on things, but please keep the civil flow of this thread going. I was just bragging to Jeanne & she commended us on how such a hot topic is being handled so well.</b>