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Men with CF who have had children using ICSI
- Thread starter blackchameleon
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Considering he and I have spoken about the issue, and I've got ample free time on my hands to post right now, I'm going to do that. Considering also that freedom of speech exists and I'm not in any way being offensive, I'm also going to post. And considering that he REFERENCED ME in his post to you, I'm pretty sure I'm "involved" in this discussion...mmmmmk? But thanks for your opinion <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
Considering he and I have spoken about the issue, and I've got ample free time on my hands to post right now, I'm going to do that. Considering also that freedom of speech exists and I'm not in any way being offensive, I'm also going to post. And considering that he REFERENCED ME in his post to you, I'm pretty sure I'm "involved" in this discussion...mmmmmk? But thanks for your opinion <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
Considering he and I have spoken about the issue, and I've got ample free time on my hands to post right now, I'm going to do that. Considering also that freedom of speech exists and I'm not in any way being offensive, I'm also going to post. And considering that he REFERENCED ME in his post to you, I'm pretty sure I'm "involved" in this discussion...mmmmmk? But thanks for your opinion <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
Ok, you win. I really do like to be of as much help as I can to people on this site. It's sad that it has caused so much offense, but apparently drama is impossible to avoid.
With that said, I wish you all well. I will no longer contribute to this site, as I have absolutely no desire to quibble with the self-empowered who have too much time on their hands.
With that said, I wish you all well. I will no longer contribute to this site, as I have absolutely no desire to quibble with the self-empowered who have too much time on their hands.
Ok, you win. I really do like to be of as much help as I can to people on this site. It's sad that it has caused so much offense, but apparently drama is impossible to avoid.
With that said, I wish you all well. I will no longer contribute to this site, as I have absolutely no desire to quibble with the self-empowered who have too much time on their hands.
With that said, I wish you all well. I will no longer contribute to this site, as I have absolutely no desire to quibble with the self-empowered who have too much time on their hands.
Ok, you win. I really do like to be of as much help as I can to people on this site. It's sad that it has caused so much offense, but apparently drama is impossible to avoid.
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<br />With that said, I wish you all well. I will no longer contribute to this site, as I have absolutely no desire to quibble with the self-empowered who have too much time on their hands.
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<br />With that said, I wish you all well. I will no longer contribute to this site, as I have absolutely no desire to quibble with the self-empowered who have too much time on their hands.
blackchameleon
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CRASH BOOM BANG!!!! All i was after was conformation regarding all this by hearing of a man/teenager in my sons exact position (re the CF, cbavd, icsi, mesa, blah blah) who have done a sperm count. For all my research i could not find an answer for my exact question so i posted on this site looking for absolute proof like my sons will be able to give one way or another in the near future. If you choose to not post here again Havoc then I for one would be disappointed. Like i said you have an outrageous ability to access and gather information that truly benefits and to withhold that i think is a loss. I see how passionate you are about this stuff, i just feel you come across as intimidating and kinda belittling, however i dont think you mean to be. Its all about tact and dimplomacy mate, and i'm the first to admit i'm learning it the hard way, the thing is you do stir up alot of 'interesting' debate (bordering on 'get the f#%*ing gun Marjory, i'm gonna blam that pesky critter anarchy-wink) and i like that! I actually think theres alot to be gained by hanging in there instead of running away. Like Julie said ya gotta toughen up to survive this life and i'm betting your not yellow or a coward mate. BANG
blackchameleon
New member
CRASH BOOM BANG!!!! All i was after was conformation regarding all this by hearing of a man/teenager in my sons exact position (re the CF, cbavd, icsi, mesa, blah blah) who have done a sperm count. For all my research i could not find an answer for my exact question so i posted on this site looking for absolute proof like my sons will be able to give one way or another in the near future. If you choose to not post here again Havoc then I for one would be disappointed. Like i said you have an outrageous ability to access and gather information that truly benefits and to withhold that i think is a loss. I see how passionate you are about this stuff, i just feel you come across as intimidating and kinda belittling, however i dont think you mean to be. Its all about tact and dimplomacy mate, and i'm the first to admit i'm learning it the hard way, the thing is you do stir up alot of 'interesting' debate (bordering on 'get the f#%*ing gun Marjory, i'm gonna blam that pesky critter anarchy-wink) and i like that! I actually think theres alot to be gained by hanging in there instead of running away. Like Julie said ya gotta toughen up to survive this life and i'm betting your not yellow or a coward mate. BANG
blackchameleon
New member
CRASH BOOM BANG!!!! All i was after was conformation regarding all this by hearing of a man/teenager in my sons exact position (re the CF, cbavd, icsi, mesa, blah blah) who have done a sperm count. For all my research i could not find an answer for my exact question so i posted on this site looking for absolute proof like my sons will be able to give one way or another in the near future. If you choose to not post here again Havoc then I for one would be disappointed. Like i said you have an outrageous ability to access and gather information that truly benefits and to withhold that i think is a loss. I see how passionate you are about this stuff, i just feel you come across as intimidating and kinda belittling, however i dont think you mean to be. Its all about tact and dimplomacy mate, and i'm the first to admit i'm learning it the hard way, the thing is you do stir up alot of 'interesting' debate (bordering on 'get the f#%*ing gun Marjory, i'm gonna blam that pesky critter anarchy-wink) and i like that! I actually think theres alot to be gained by hanging in there instead of running away. Like Julie said ya gotta toughen up to survive this life and i'm betting your not yellow or a coward mate. BANG
Eh, it's not about being tough. I spent 10 years in EMS and have been through a lot, including being shot at. I have seen more in the last few years than most of you will see in a lifetime.
I do, however, have a very low tolerance for crap, which Julie is dishing out by the shovels full and apparently is unwilling to let it go. I've gotta say that I find it incredulous that she would LOL in response to my deciding not to contribute to the site any longer. It's rare that I encounter someone so bloody spiteful. To continue and insinuate that I am too weak to survive life is just inappropriate and shows her immaturity (especially given that she doesn't even know me). She and I have had our differences before, and I wager that this is more about her opinion of me rather than her concern for you and your question. Sad that she would muck up a post with crap just because she and I have had differences.
If I come across as belittling, then by all means call me out on it, because you're right, it's unintentional. All I ask is that you leave it at that, rather than continuing to harp on an issue (Julie).
I gave you the best answer I could, based on the research I studied. I realize it wasn't exactly what you wanted, but it is still relevant especially considering that in the 1995 study, all 8 boys conceived through ICSI had palpable vas deferens. Very encouraging news, I thought.
I have already sent an email to the powers that be to delete my account. It's not running away, as it might seem. Rather, it's removing myself from the petty BS that comes along with some of these threads. If I could just post and not catch hell and have to defend myself, then things might be different. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with all the personal things I need to do and deal with everyone giving me crap for answering a question in a way that doesn't give everybody warm fuzzies. Frankly, I think many people just have too much time to sit around on the internet and stir crap. I've seen it on Facebook groups for CF as well (which I left for the same reasons).
I do wish you well and if you would like my contact info in the event you have a technical question, feel free to PM me.
I do, however, have a very low tolerance for crap, which Julie is dishing out by the shovels full and apparently is unwilling to let it go. I've gotta say that I find it incredulous that she would LOL in response to my deciding not to contribute to the site any longer. It's rare that I encounter someone so bloody spiteful. To continue and insinuate that I am too weak to survive life is just inappropriate and shows her immaturity (especially given that she doesn't even know me). She and I have had our differences before, and I wager that this is more about her opinion of me rather than her concern for you and your question. Sad that she would muck up a post with crap just because she and I have had differences.
If I come across as belittling, then by all means call me out on it, because you're right, it's unintentional. All I ask is that you leave it at that, rather than continuing to harp on an issue (Julie).
I gave you the best answer I could, based on the research I studied. I realize it wasn't exactly what you wanted, but it is still relevant especially considering that in the 1995 study, all 8 boys conceived through ICSI had palpable vas deferens. Very encouraging news, I thought.
I have already sent an email to the powers that be to delete my account. It's not running away, as it might seem. Rather, it's removing myself from the petty BS that comes along with some of these threads. If I could just post and not catch hell and have to defend myself, then things might be different. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with all the personal things I need to do and deal with everyone giving me crap for answering a question in a way that doesn't give everybody warm fuzzies. Frankly, I think many people just have too much time to sit around on the internet and stir crap. I've seen it on Facebook groups for CF as well (which I left for the same reasons).
I do wish you well and if you would like my contact info in the event you have a technical question, feel free to PM me.
Eh, it's not about being tough. I spent 10 years in EMS and have been through a lot, including being shot at. I have seen more in the last few years than most of you will see in a lifetime.
I do, however, have a very low tolerance for crap, which Julie is dishing out by the shovels full and apparently is unwilling to let it go. I've gotta say that I find it incredulous that she would LOL in response to my deciding not to contribute to the site any longer. It's rare that I encounter someone so bloody spiteful. To continue and insinuate that I am too weak to survive life is just inappropriate and shows her immaturity (especially given that she doesn't even know me). She and I have had our differences before, and I wager that this is more about her opinion of me rather than her concern for you and your question. Sad that she would muck up a post with crap just because she and I have had differences.
If I come across as belittling, then by all means call me out on it, because you're right, it's unintentional. All I ask is that you leave it at that, rather than continuing to harp on an issue (Julie).
I gave you the best answer I could, based on the research I studied. I realize it wasn't exactly what you wanted, but it is still relevant especially considering that in the 1995 study, all 8 boys conceived through ICSI had palpable vas deferens. Very encouraging news, I thought.
I have already sent an email to the powers that be to delete my account. It's not running away, as it might seem. Rather, it's removing myself from the petty BS that comes along with some of these threads. If I could just post and not catch hell and have to defend myself, then things might be different. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with all the personal things I need to do and deal with everyone giving me crap for answering a question in a way that doesn't give everybody warm fuzzies. Frankly, I think many people just have too much time to sit around on the internet and stir crap. I've seen it on Facebook groups for CF as well (which I left for the same reasons).
I do wish you well and if you would like my contact info in the event you have a technical question, feel free to PM me.
I do, however, have a very low tolerance for crap, which Julie is dishing out by the shovels full and apparently is unwilling to let it go. I've gotta say that I find it incredulous that she would LOL in response to my deciding not to contribute to the site any longer. It's rare that I encounter someone so bloody spiteful. To continue and insinuate that I am too weak to survive life is just inappropriate and shows her immaturity (especially given that she doesn't even know me). She and I have had our differences before, and I wager that this is more about her opinion of me rather than her concern for you and your question. Sad that she would muck up a post with crap just because she and I have had differences.
If I come across as belittling, then by all means call me out on it, because you're right, it's unintentional. All I ask is that you leave it at that, rather than continuing to harp on an issue (Julie).
I gave you the best answer I could, based on the research I studied. I realize it wasn't exactly what you wanted, but it is still relevant especially considering that in the 1995 study, all 8 boys conceived through ICSI had palpable vas deferens. Very encouraging news, I thought.
I have already sent an email to the powers that be to delete my account. It's not running away, as it might seem. Rather, it's removing myself from the petty BS that comes along with some of these threads. If I could just post and not catch hell and have to defend myself, then things might be different. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with all the personal things I need to do and deal with everyone giving me crap for answering a question in a way that doesn't give everybody warm fuzzies. Frankly, I think many people just have too much time to sit around on the internet and stir crap. I've seen it on Facebook groups for CF as well (which I left for the same reasons).
I do wish you well and if you would like my contact info in the event you have a technical question, feel free to PM me.
Eh, it's not about being tough. I spent 10 years in EMS and have been through a lot, including being shot at. I have seen more in the last few years than most of you will see in a lifetime.
<br />
<br />I do, however, have a very low tolerance for crap, which Julie is dishing out by the shovels full and apparently is unwilling to let it go. I've gotta say that I find it incredulous that she would LOL in response to my deciding not to contribute to the site any longer. It's rare that I encounter someone so bloody spiteful. To continue and insinuate that I am too weak to survive life is just inappropriate and shows her immaturity (especially given that she doesn't even know me). She and I have had our differences before, and I wager that this is more about her opinion of me rather than her concern for you and your question. Sad that she would muck up a post with crap just because she and I have had differences.
<br />
<br />If I come across as belittling, then by all means call me out on it, because you're right, it's unintentional. All I ask is that you leave it at that, rather than continuing to harp on an issue (Julie).
<br />
<br />I gave you the best answer I could, based on the research I studied. I realize it wasn't exactly what you wanted, but it is still relevant especially considering that in the 1995 study, all 8 boys conceived through ICSI had palpable vas deferens. Very encouraging news, I thought.
<br />
<br />I have already sent an email to the powers that be to delete my account. It's not running away, as it might seem. Rather, it's removing myself from the petty BS that comes along with some of these threads. If I could just post and not catch hell and have to defend myself, then things might be different. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with all the personal things I need to do and deal with everyone giving me crap for answering a question in a way that doesn't give everybody warm fuzzies. Frankly, I think many people just have too much time to sit around on the internet and stir crap. I've seen it on Facebook groups for CF as well (which I left for the same reasons).
<br />
<br />I do wish you well and if you would like my contact info in the event you have a technical question, feel free to PM me.
<br />
<br />I do, however, have a very low tolerance for crap, which Julie is dishing out by the shovels full and apparently is unwilling to let it go. I've gotta say that I find it incredulous that she would LOL in response to my deciding not to contribute to the site any longer. It's rare that I encounter someone so bloody spiteful. To continue and insinuate that I am too weak to survive life is just inappropriate and shows her immaturity (especially given that she doesn't even know me). She and I have had our differences before, and I wager that this is more about her opinion of me rather than her concern for you and your question. Sad that she would muck up a post with crap just because she and I have had differences.
<br />
<br />If I come across as belittling, then by all means call me out on it, because you're right, it's unintentional. All I ask is that you leave it at that, rather than continuing to harp on an issue (Julie).
<br />
<br />I gave you the best answer I could, based on the research I studied. I realize it wasn't exactly what you wanted, but it is still relevant especially considering that in the 1995 study, all 8 boys conceived through ICSI had palpable vas deferens. Very encouraging news, I thought.
<br />
<br />I have already sent an email to the powers that be to delete my account. It's not running away, as it might seem. Rather, it's removing myself from the petty BS that comes along with some of these threads. If I could just post and not catch hell and have to defend myself, then things might be different. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with all the personal things I need to do and deal with everyone giving me crap for answering a question in a way that doesn't give everybody warm fuzzies. Frankly, I think many people just have too much time to sit around on the internet and stir crap. I've seen it on Facebook groups for CF as well (which I left for the same reasons).
<br />
<br />I do wish you well and if you would like my contact info in the event you have a technical question, feel free to PM me.
Jonathan, I'm sorry you feel that I'm dishing out crap by the shovels full. I just didn't appreciate the way you responded to blacky.
Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
and like he said, I think you are a wealth of knowledge. That was part of the reason for the LOL, that you could let one little disagreement over words/"tone"/research.... have such a big impact.
And for what it's worth, I can't ever recall having a disagreement with you on this forum- honestly. So whether or not you believe it, me responses to you had absolutely NOTHING to do with any prior differences you said we've had. I'm not like that, I don't hold grudges. There's no time for that in that life. I'll have my disagreement with you on this particular topic and then I'll move on.
But I can't help but notice that it sounds (from what you posted) that this isn't the first time you've recieved this type of feedback. So if the world is giving you this feedback over and over agan, it might not hurt to take a look at it. and the reality of the online community, facebook or another CF forum, is going to have these same type of issues. They are not avoidable.
I honestly would see to hate you go, I've seen come great contributions you've made on this forum.
Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
and like he said, I think you are a wealth of knowledge. That was part of the reason for the LOL, that you could let one little disagreement over words/"tone"/research.... have such a big impact.
And for what it's worth, I can't ever recall having a disagreement with you on this forum- honestly. So whether or not you believe it, me responses to you had absolutely NOTHING to do with any prior differences you said we've had. I'm not like that, I don't hold grudges. There's no time for that in that life. I'll have my disagreement with you on this particular topic and then I'll move on.
But I can't help but notice that it sounds (from what you posted) that this isn't the first time you've recieved this type of feedback. So if the world is giving you this feedback over and over agan, it might not hurt to take a look at it. and the reality of the online community, facebook or another CF forum, is going to have these same type of issues. They are not avoidable.
I honestly would see to hate you go, I've seen come great contributions you've made on this forum.
Jonathan, I'm sorry you feel that I'm dishing out crap by the shovels full. I just didn't appreciate the way you responded to blacky.
Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
and like he said, I think you are a wealth of knowledge. That was part of the reason for the LOL, that you could let one little disagreement over words/"tone"/research.... have such a big impact.
And for what it's worth, I can't ever recall having a disagreement with you on this forum- honestly. So whether or not you believe it, me responses to you had absolutely NOTHING to do with any prior differences you said we've had. I'm not like that, I don't hold grudges. There's no time for that in that life. I'll have my disagreement with you on this particular topic and then I'll move on.
But I can't help but notice that it sounds (from what you posted) that this isn't the first time you've recieved this type of feedback. So if the world is giving you this feedback over and over agan, it might not hurt to take a look at it. and the reality of the online community, facebook or another CF forum, is going to have these same type of issues. They are not avoidable.
I honestly would see to hate you go, I've seen come great contributions you've made on this forum.
Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
and like he said, I think you are a wealth of knowledge. That was part of the reason for the LOL, that you could let one little disagreement over words/"tone"/research.... have such a big impact.
And for what it's worth, I can't ever recall having a disagreement with you on this forum- honestly. So whether or not you believe it, me responses to you had absolutely NOTHING to do with any prior differences you said we've had. I'm not like that, I don't hold grudges. There's no time for that in that life. I'll have my disagreement with you on this particular topic and then I'll move on.
But I can't help but notice that it sounds (from what you posted) that this isn't the first time you've recieved this type of feedback. So if the world is giving you this feedback over and over agan, it might not hurt to take a look at it. and the reality of the online community, facebook or another CF forum, is going to have these same type of issues. They are not avoidable.
I honestly would see to hate you go, I've seen come great contributions you've made on this forum.
Jonathan, I'm sorry you feel that I'm dishing out crap by the shovels full. I just didn't appreciate the way you responded to blacky.
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<br />Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
<br />
<br />and like he said, I think you are a wealth of knowledge. That was part of the reason for the LOL, that you could let one little disagreement over words/"tone"/research.... have such a big impact.
<br />
<br />And for what it's worth, I can't ever recall having a disagreement with you on this forum- honestly. So whether or not you believe it, me responses to you had absolutely NOTHING to do with any prior differences you said we've had. I'm not like that, I don't hold grudges. There's no time for that in that life. I'll have my disagreement with you on this particular topic and then I'll move on.
<br />
<br />But I can't help but notice that it sounds (from what you posted) that this isn't the first time you've recieved this type of feedback. So if the world is giving you this feedback over and over agan, it might not hurt to take a look at it. and the reality of the online community, facebook or another CF forum, is going to have these same type of issues. They are not avoidable.
<br />
<br />I honestly would see to hate you go, I've seen come great contributions you've made on this forum.
<br />
<br />Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
<br />
<br />and like he said, I think you are a wealth of knowledge. That was part of the reason for the LOL, that you could let one little disagreement over words/"tone"/research.... have such a big impact.
<br />
<br />And for what it's worth, I can't ever recall having a disagreement with you on this forum- honestly. So whether or not you believe it, me responses to you had absolutely NOTHING to do with any prior differences you said we've had. I'm not like that, I don't hold grudges. There's no time for that in that life. I'll have my disagreement with you on this particular topic and then I'll move on.
<br />
<br />But I can't help but notice that it sounds (from what you posted) that this isn't the first time you've recieved this type of feedback. So if the world is giving you this feedback over and over agan, it might not hurt to take a look at it. and the reality of the online community, facebook or another CF forum, is going to have these same type of issues. They are not avoidable.
<br />
<br />I honestly would see to hate you go, I've seen come great contributions you've made on this forum.