Regarding Suicide

Jade · Sep 24, 2007

One day I'll have the nerve to write some metaphoric rant on how I truly feel about this subject.
I agree a lot with what's been written so far. I don't really want to, but someday I'll again have to face the question of taking my own life. I just want a dignified and peaceful end.....whatever it takes.

Better days to everyone<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

Jade · Sep 24, 2007

One day I'll have the nerve to write some metaphoric rant on how I truly feel about this subject.
I agree a lot with what's been written so far. I don't really want to, but someday I'll again have to face the question of taking my own life. I just want a dignified and peaceful end.....whatever it takes.

Better days to everyone<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

Jade · Sep 24, 2007

One day I'll have the nerve to write some metaphoric rant on how I truly feel about this subject.
I agree a lot with what's been written so far. I don't really want to, but someday I'll again have to face the question of taking my own life. I just want a dignified and peaceful end.....whatever it takes.

Better days to everyone<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

Jade · Sep 24, 2007

One day I'll have the nerve to write some metaphoric rant on how I truly feel about this subject.
I agree a lot with what's been written so far. I don't really want to, but someday I'll again have to face the question of taking my own life. I just want a dignified and peaceful end.....whatever it takes.

Better days to everyone<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

Jade · Sep 24, 2007

One day I'll have the nerve to write some metaphoric rant on how I truly feel about this subject.
I agree a lot with what's been written so far. I don't really want to, but someday I'll again have to face the question of taking my own life. I just want a dignified and peaceful end.....whatever it takes.

Better days to everyone<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">

Faust · Sep 24, 2007

Ok well first off...This conversation/topic was started to have people of many different aspects to share opinions. So far it has done exactly that. Bravo for that!

here is the overall deal though...We are (very nearly) 7 BILLION people, on planet earth. As far as earth goes, we are all broken up into many segmented aspects. Be it racial, political, ethnically, geographically, culturally, or economically...In the end, we all end up something, and usually someone else hates us for being that something...

The entire human race is deeply tribal...We have no tolerance for those who afront our own tribal laws. Extremist Muslims attack the U.S. on 9/11, to some is the same exact affront of what took place and where we are now in Iraq. What makes one group of people beyond angry, emboldens others towards a cause...

Here is what gets me though. All religious side out the window...We are almlost 7 BILLION people on this small speck of sand, hurtling through the universe, near a star...This particular star is 1 of 200(to save you frustration, followed by 197 zero's) other stars, in just what we understand in our galaxy. And from what we understand, there is a good bet that there is 500 billion other galaxies, each with their own understanding of how many stars they have...All equally rediculous like what we know...

So, just based on very rudimentary math...It shows that even though there could very well be a central point of intelligence around us, that has some say so in moving things in whatever direction...It's pretty say the anthropomorphicly timid way of being, as in, though shalt not enjoy pleasure without something/someone to blame your pleasure on...Well...Must we really continue?

Nothing is wrong with Christianity...Nothing is wrong with being a Muslim...Just ask yourself one thing, regardless what situation you are in, and what situation you are personally in...ask yourself this "Does this situation make sense? Does this spot that I put myself in make sense? Do my religiously scribed possible decisions make sense? How do I make any decision now help/benefit my children/wife/family/propery....??

The best overall question towards everything that could possibly happen, where you make a choice to govern another person's reality/perception, is for that person to ask "WHY?"...Unless that person is severely impaired, they will answer their own question.

Faust · Sep 24, 2007

Ok well first off...This conversation/topic was started to have people of many different aspects to share opinions. So far it has done exactly that. Bravo for that!

here is the overall deal though...We are (very nearly) 7 BILLION people, on planet earth. As far as earth goes, we are all broken up into many segmented aspects. Be it racial, political, ethnically, geographically, culturally, or economically...In the end, we all end up something, and usually someone else hates us for being that something...

The entire human race is deeply tribal...We have no tolerance for those who afront our own tribal laws. Extremist Muslims attack the U.S. on 9/11, to some is the same exact affront of what took place and where we are now in Iraq. What makes one group of people beyond angry, emboldens others towards a cause...

Here is what gets me though. All religious side out the window...We are almlost 7 BILLION people on this small speck of sand, hurtling through the universe, near a star...This particular star is 1 of 200(to save you frustration, followed by 197 zero's) other stars, in just what we understand in our galaxy. And from what we understand, there is a good bet that there is 500 billion other galaxies, each with their own understanding of how many stars they have...All equally rediculous like what we know...

So, just based on very rudimentary math...It shows that even though there could very well be a central point of intelligence around us, that has some say so in moving things in whatever direction...It's pretty say the anthropomorphicly timid way of being, as in, though shalt not enjoy pleasure without something/someone to blame your pleasure on...Well...Must we really continue?

Nothing is wrong with Christianity...Nothing is wrong with being a Muslim...Just ask yourself one thing, regardless what situation you are in, and what situation you are personally in...ask yourself this "Does this situation make sense? Does this spot that I put myself in make sense? Do my religiously scribed possible decisions make sense? How do I make any decision now help/benefit my children/wife/family/propery....??

The best overall question towards everything that could possibly happen, where you make a choice to govern another person's reality/perception, is for that person to ask "WHY?"...Unless that person is severely impaired, they will answer their own question.

Faust · Sep 24, 2007

Ok well first off...This conversation/topic was started to have people of many different aspects to share opinions. So far it has done exactly that. Bravo for that!

here is the overall deal though...We are (very nearly) 7 BILLION people, on planet earth. As far as earth goes, we are all broken up into many segmented aspects. Be it racial, political, ethnically, geographically, culturally, or economically...In the end, we all end up something, and usually someone else hates us for being that something...

The entire human race is deeply tribal...We have no tolerance for those who afront our own tribal laws. Extremist Muslims attack the U.S. on 9/11, to some is the same exact affront of what took place and where we are now in Iraq. What makes one group of people beyond angry, emboldens others towards a cause...

Here is what gets me though. All religious side out the window...We are almlost 7 BILLION people on this small speck of sand, hurtling through the universe, near a star...This particular star is 1 of 200(to save you frustration, followed by 197 zero's) other stars, in just what we understand in our galaxy. And from what we understand, there is a good bet that there is 500 billion other galaxies, each with their own understanding of how many stars they have...All equally rediculous like what we know...

So, just based on very rudimentary math...It shows that even though there could very well be a central point of intelligence around us, that has some say so in moving things in whatever direction...It's pretty say the anthropomorphicly timid way of being, as in, though shalt not enjoy pleasure without something/someone to blame your pleasure on...Well...Must we really continue?

Nothing is wrong with Christianity...Nothing is wrong with being a Muslim...Just ask yourself one thing, regardless what situation you are in, and what situation you are personally in...ask yourself this "Does this situation make sense? Does this spot that I put myself in make sense? Do my religiously scribed possible decisions make sense? How do I make any decision now help/benefit my children/wife/family/propery....??

The best overall question towards everything that could possibly happen, where you make a choice to govern another person's reality/perception, is for that person to ask "WHY?"...Unless that person is severely impaired, they will answer their own question.

Faust · Sep 24, 2007

Ok well first off...This conversation/topic was started to have people of many different aspects to share opinions. So far it has done exactly that. Bravo for that!

here is the overall deal though...We are (very nearly) 7 BILLION people, on planet earth. As far as earth goes, we are all broken up into many segmented aspects. Be it racial, political, ethnically, geographically, culturally, or economically...In the end, we all end up something, and usually someone else hates us for being that something...

The entire human race is deeply tribal...We have no tolerance for those who afront our own tribal laws. Extremist Muslims attack the U.S. on 9/11, to some is the same exact affront of what took place and where we are now in Iraq. What makes one group of people beyond angry, emboldens others towards a cause...

Here is what gets me though. All religious side out the window...We are almlost 7 BILLION people on this small speck of sand, hurtling through the universe, near a star...This particular star is 1 of 200(to save you frustration, followed by 197 zero's) other stars, in just what we understand in our galaxy. And from what we understand, there is a good bet that there is 500 billion other galaxies, each with their own understanding of how many stars they have...All equally rediculous like what we know...

So, just based on very rudimentary math...It shows that even though there could very well be a central point of intelligence around us, that has some say so in moving things in whatever direction...It's pretty say the anthropomorphicly timid way of being, as in, though shalt not enjoy pleasure without something/someone to blame your pleasure on...Well...Must we really continue?

Nothing is wrong with Christianity...Nothing is wrong with being a Muslim...Just ask yourself one thing, regardless what situation you are in, and what situation you are personally in...ask yourself this "Does this situation make sense? Does this spot that I put myself in make sense? Do my religiously scribed possible decisions make sense? How do I make any decision now help/benefit my children/wife/family/propery....??

The best overall question towards everything that could possibly happen, where you make a choice to govern another person's reality/perception, is for that person to ask "WHY?"...Unless that person is severely impaired, they will answer their own question.

Faust · Sep 24, 2007

Ok well first off...This conversation/topic was started to have people of many different aspects to share opinions. So far it has done exactly that. Bravo for that!

here is the overall deal though...We are (very nearly) 7 BILLION people, on planet earth. As far as earth goes, we are all broken up into many segmented aspects. Be it racial, political, ethnically, geographically, culturally, or economically...In the end, we all end up something, and usually someone else hates us for being that something...

The entire human race is deeply tribal...We have no tolerance for those who afront our own tribal laws. Extremist Muslims attack the U.S. on 9/11, to some is the same exact affront of what took place and where we are now in Iraq. What makes one group of people beyond angry, emboldens others towards a cause...

Here is what gets me though. All religious side out the window...We are almlost 7 BILLION people on this small speck of sand, hurtling through the universe, near a star...This particular star is 1 of 200(to save you frustration, followed by 197 zero's) other stars, in just what we understand in our galaxy. And from what we understand, there is a good bet that there is 500 billion other galaxies, each with their own understanding of how many stars they have...All equally rediculous like what we know...

So, just based on very rudimentary math...It shows that even though there could very well be a central point of intelligence around us, that has some say so in moving things in whatever direction...It's pretty say the anthropomorphicly timid way of being, as in, though shalt not enjoy pleasure without something/someone to blame your pleasure on...Well...Must we really continue?

Nothing is wrong with Christianity...Nothing is wrong with being a Muslim...Just ask yourself one thing, regardless what situation you are in, and what situation you are personally in...ask yourself this "Does this situation make sense? Does this spot that I put myself in make sense? Do my religiously scribed possible decisions make sense? How do I make any decision now help/benefit my children/wife/family/propery....??

The best overall question towards everything that could possibly happen, where you make a choice to govern another person's reality/perception, is for that person to ask "WHY?"...Unless that person is severely impaired, they will answer their own question.

kswitch · Sep 24, 2007

well, i don;t know that i have anything original to add, but i wanted to chime in and say that i agree with faust on this. barring a temporary state of extreme emotional distress, suicide shoud be allowed.

paret of the problem in getting a federal law passed may be because of insurance lobbyists who might be held accountable for payouts even to suicide victims. i'm in no way suggesting that this can't be reconciled, but we all know the power of insurance lobbyists and how they may delay legislation.

religious lobbyists may also be to blame. regardless of what each religion thinks about the subject, i tend to think that most religions are too antiquated. in the olden days, most people cursed with illnesses that caused such suffereing would liely not survive. and the average lifespan was much lower than today. i can easily see why euthanasia might seem so ludicrous to them. i propose that even people in those times would view the prolonged suffering caused by moral sanctions on suicide even more ludicrous. fact is, these are not issues that the writers of biblical law would have forseen.

of course, some would argue that biblical law is god's law, and god surely would have forseen that. and to those people i say, ignore me. my rationale will make no sense to you whatsoever. i happen to know that these laws are written by well-meaning, although appropriately short sighted, mortals.

in closing, i would like to suggest one thing. we, as the sufferers of terminal illnesses, have the right to refuse treatment. doing so is certainly suicide. why not take this one step further and cut out all of the needless suffering?

kswitch · Sep 24, 2007

well, i don;t know that i have anything original to add, but i wanted to chime in and say that i agree with faust on this. barring a temporary state of extreme emotional distress, suicide shoud be allowed.

paret of the problem in getting a federal law passed may be because of insurance lobbyists who might be held accountable for payouts even to suicide victims. i'm in no way suggesting that this can't be reconciled, but we all know the power of insurance lobbyists and how they may delay legislation.

religious lobbyists may also be to blame. regardless of what each religion thinks about the subject, i tend to think that most religions are too antiquated. in the olden days, most people cursed with illnesses that caused such suffereing would liely not survive. and the average lifespan was much lower than today. i can easily see why euthanasia might seem so ludicrous to them. i propose that even people in those times would view the prolonged suffering caused by moral sanctions on suicide even more ludicrous. fact is, these are not issues that the writers of biblical law would have forseen.

of course, some would argue that biblical law is god's law, and god surely would have forseen that. and to those people i say, ignore me. my rationale will make no sense to you whatsoever. i happen to know that these laws are written by well-meaning, although appropriately short sighted, mortals.

in closing, i would like to suggest one thing. we, as the sufferers of terminal illnesses, have the right to refuse treatment. doing so is certainly suicide. why not take this one step further and cut out all of the needless suffering?

kswitch · Sep 24, 2007

well, i don;t know that i have anything original to add, but i wanted to chime in and say that i agree with faust on this. barring a temporary state of extreme emotional distress, suicide shoud be allowed.

paret of the problem in getting a federal law passed may be because of insurance lobbyists who might be held accountable for payouts even to suicide victims. i'm in no way suggesting that this can't be reconciled, but we all know the power of insurance lobbyists and how they may delay legislation.

religious lobbyists may also be to blame. regardless of what each religion thinks about the subject, i tend to think that most religions are too antiquated. in the olden days, most people cursed with illnesses that caused such suffereing would liely not survive. and the average lifespan was much lower than today. i can easily see why euthanasia might seem so ludicrous to them. i propose that even people in those times would view the prolonged suffering caused by moral sanctions on suicide even more ludicrous. fact is, these are not issues that the writers of biblical law would have forseen.

of course, some would argue that biblical law is god's law, and god surely would have forseen that. and to those people i say, ignore me. my rationale will make no sense to you whatsoever. i happen to know that these laws are written by well-meaning, although appropriately short sighted, mortals.

in closing, i would like to suggest one thing. we, as the sufferers of terminal illnesses, have the right to refuse treatment. doing so is certainly suicide. why not take this one step further and cut out all of the needless suffering?

kswitch · Sep 24, 2007

well, i don;t know that i have anything original to add, but i wanted to chime in and say that i agree with faust on this. barring a temporary state of extreme emotional distress, suicide shoud be allowed.

paret of the problem in getting a federal law passed may be because of insurance lobbyists who might be held accountable for payouts even to suicide victims. i'm in no way suggesting that this can't be reconciled, but we all know the power of insurance lobbyists and how they may delay legislation.

religious lobbyists may also be to blame. regardless of what each religion thinks about the subject, i tend to think that most religions are too antiquated. in the olden days, most people cursed with illnesses that caused such suffereing would liely not survive. and the average lifespan was much lower than today. i can easily see why euthanasia might seem so ludicrous to them. i propose that even people in those times would view the prolonged suffering caused by moral sanctions on suicide even more ludicrous. fact is, these are not issues that the writers of biblical law would have forseen.

of course, some would argue that biblical law is god's law, and god surely would have forseen that. and to those people i say, ignore me. my rationale will make no sense to you whatsoever. i happen to know that these laws are written by well-meaning, although appropriately short sighted, mortals.

in closing, i would like to suggest one thing. we, as the sufferers of terminal illnesses, have the right to refuse treatment. doing so is certainly suicide. why not take this one step further and cut out all of the needless suffering?

kswitch · Sep 24, 2007

well, i don;t know that i have anything original to add, but i wanted to chime in and say that i agree with faust on this. barring a temporary state of extreme emotional distress, suicide shoud be allowed.

paret of the problem in getting a federal law passed may be because of insurance lobbyists who might be held accountable for payouts even to suicide victims. i'm in no way suggesting that this can't be reconciled, but we all know the power of insurance lobbyists and how they may delay legislation.

religious lobbyists may also be to blame. regardless of what each religion thinks about the subject, i tend to think that most religions are too antiquated. in the olden days, most people cursed with illnesses that caused such suffereing would liely not survive. and the average lifespan was much lower than today. i can easily see why euthanasia might seem so ludicrous to them. i propose that even people in those times would view the prolonged suffering caused by moral sanctions on suicide even more ludicrous. fact is, these are not issues that the writers of biblical law would have forseen.

of course, some would argue that biblical law is god's law, and god surely would have forseen that. and to those people i say, ignore me. my rationale will make no sense to you whatsoever. i happen to know that these laws are written by well-meaning, although appropriately short sighted, mortals.

in closing, i would like to suggest one thing. we, as the sufferers of terminal illnesses, have the right to refuse treatment. doing so is certainly suicide. why not take this one step further and cut out all of the needless suffering?

lightNlife · Sep 24, 2007