Regarding Suicide

[Pete]

su·i·cide (s?'?-s?d')
n.
The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.
The destruction or ruin of one's own interests: It is professional suicide to involve oneself in illegal practices.
One who commits suicide.
[Latin su?, of oneself + - CIDE.]


I dunno if it really is suicide. I appreciate it's a little fine line sort of thing but going by definition you're not really suiciding. By giving permission for others to take your life you're still not really guaranteed to die because they make the conscious choice to carry out the action. At some point they decide to kill you.

Euthanasia, or assisted death, or even merciful death. But is it really suicide?.

I'm a born and bred christian, but I do appreciate situations where it may preferable to be begging for death.

My initial thoughts anyway.

 

[Pete]

su·i·cide (s?'?-s?d')
n.
The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.
The destruction or ruin of one's own interests: It is professional suicide to involve oneself in illegal practices.
One who commits suicide.
[Latin su?, of oneself + - CIDE.]


I dunno if it really is suicide. I appreciate it's a little fine line sort of thing but going by definition you're not really suiciding. By giving permission for others to take your life you're still not really guaranteed to die because they make the conscious choice to carry out the action. At some point they decide to kill you.

Euthanasia, or assisted death, or even merciful death. But is it really suicide?.

I'm a born and bred christian, but I do appreciate situations where it may preferable to be begging for death.

My initial thoughts anyway.

 

[Pete]

su·i·cide (s?'?-s?d')
n.
The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.
The destruction or ruin of one's own interests: It is professional suicide to involve oneself in illegal practices.
One who commits suicide.
[Latin su?, of oneself + - CIDE.]


I dunno if it really is suicide. I appreciate it's a little fine line sort of thing but going by definition you're not really suiciding. By giving permission for others to take your life you're still not really guaranteed to die because they make the conscious choice to carry out the action. At some point they decide to kill you.

Euthanasia, or assisted death, or even merciful death. But is it really suicide?.

I'm a born and bred christian, but I do appreciate situations where it may preferable to be begging for death.

My initial thoughts anyway.

 

[Pete]

su·i·cide (s?'?-s?d')
n.
The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.
The destruction or ruin of one's own interests: It is professional suicide to involve oneself in illegal practices.
One who commits suicide.
[Latin su?, of oneself + - CIDE.]


I dunno if it really is suicide. I appreciate it's a little fine line sort of thing but going by definition you're not really suiciding. By giving permission for others to take your life you're still not really guaranteed to die because they make the conscious choice to carry out the action. At some point they decide to kill you.

Euthanasia, or assisted death, or even merciful death. But is it really suicide?.

I'm a born and bred christian, but I do appreciate situations where it may preferable to be begging for death.

My initial thoughts anyway.

 

[Pete]

su·i·cide (s?'?-s?d')
n.
The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.
The destruction or ruin of one's own interests: It is professional suicide to involve oneself in illegal practices.
One who commits suicide.
[Latin su?, of oneself + - CIDE.]


I dunno if it really is suicide. I appreciate it's a little fine line sort of thing but going by definition you're not really suiciding. By giving permission for others to take your life you're still not really guaranteed to die because they make the conscious choice to carry out the action. At some point they decide to kill you.

Euthanasia, or assisted death, or even merciful death. But is it really suicide?.

I'm a born and bred christian, but I do appreciate situations where it may preferable to be begging for death.

My initial thoughts anyway.

 

[lightNlife]

Does anyone remember the old TV show "Dinosaurs"? This thread and its discussion made me think of the episode about "hurling day" where the younger generation gets to hurl their geezerly, infirmed parents over a cliff into a pit, thereby ending their "suffering." In some ways the episode was a social commentary on the idea of assisted suicide and mercy killing.

Kswitch, was off the mark with respect to world religions. His argument seems to centers on the Western Judeo-Christian point of view, mixed with a bit of politics and moral relativism. (Which is true for many folks, sadly.)

In many other world religions, even those nontheistic ones such as Buddhism, suicide is an inadmissible action and not one consistent with anyone desiring to reach Nirvana. This Eastern religion in particular see bodily suffering as evidence that the body has not yet reached perfection. Buddhists for example, ever aspire to be freed from samsara, which is the ultimate freedom from the problem of suffering. A true, practicing Buddhist who is spiritually perfect, will not kill himself.

The same is true for Taoism. Suicide is not an option.

In Judaism, the fifth commandment "do not kill" does not inherently refer to suicide. However, a person who takes his own life is not to be mourned the same way other deaths are. (For example, no eulogies, or no final blessings.)

Most people are startled to learn that there are two examples of assisted suicide mentioned in the Old Testament. 1st Samuel 31:4 and 2nd Samuel 17:13.

I could peel this onion for days, but I'm too tired to do so. I am a Christian, and I don't stand on the fence on this issue. There are certainly situations in which euthanasia makes sense, though I don't think any of our sufferings that have been mentioned here on this forum qualify.

My hope as a Christian is in knowing that the sufferings of this life, no matter what their extent, is only temporary. God has not left me or cast me aside to fend for myself. He sustains me at every turn and is my constant hope in times of trial, even the most depressing ones that make me long for heaven.

I may have thought about suicide, but just when things seem to be so overwhelming, God revives me and gives me His peace. Suicide is not an option for me, and never should have been. Just as in the case of Job, I know that God will call me home at the appointed time. It's not up to me to usurp that power. God is sovereign, I am not. He is sacred, I am profane.

I am buoyed when "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18, NIV)

 

[lightNlife]

Does anyone remember the old TV show "Dinosaurs"? This thread and its discussion made me think of the episode about "hurling day" where the younger generation gets to hurl their geezerly, infirmed parents over a cliff into a pit, thereby ending their "suffering." In some ways the episode was a social commentary on the idea of assisted suicide and mercy killing.

Kswitch, was off the mark with respect to world religions. His argument seems to centers on the Western Judeo-Christian point of view, mixed with a bit of politics and moral relativism. (Which is true for many folks, sadly.)

In many other world religions, even those nontheistic ones such as Buddhism, suicide is an inadmissible action and not one consistent with anyone desiring to reach Nirvana. This Eastern religion in particular see bodily suffering as evidence that the body has not yet reached perfection. Buddhists for example, ever aspire to be freed from samsara, which is the ultimate freedom from the problem of suffering. A true, practicing Buddhist who is spiritually perfect, will not kill himself.

The same is true for Taoism. Suicide is not an option.

In Judaism, the fifth commandment "do not kill" does not inherently refer to suicide. However, a person who takes his own life is not to be mourned the same way other deaths are. (For example, no eulogies, or no final blessings.)

Most people are startled to learn that there are two examples of assisted suicide mentioned in the Old Testament. 1st Samuel 31:4 and 2nd Samuel 17:13.

I could peel this onion for days, but I'm too tired to do so. I am a Christian, and I don't stand on the fence on this issue. There are certainly situations in which euthanasia makes sense, though I don't think any of our sufferings that have been mentioned here on this forum qualify.

My hope as a Christian is in knowing that the sufferings of this life, no matter what their extent, is only temporary. God has not left me or cast me aside to fend for myself. He sustains me at every turn and is my constant hope in times of trial, even the most depressing ones that make me long for heaven.

I may have thought about suicide, but just when things seem to be so overwhelming, God revives me and gives me His peace. Suicide is not an option for me, and never should have been. Just as in the case of Job, I know that God will call me home at the appointed time. It's not up to me to usurp that power. God is sovereign, I am not. He is sacred, I am profane.

I am buoyed when "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18, NIV)

 

[lightNlife]

Does anyone remember the old TV show "Dinosaurs"? This thread and its discussion made me think of the episode about "hurling day" where the younger generation gets to hurl their geezerly, infirmed parents over a cliff into a pit, thereby ending their "suffering." In some ways the episode was a social commentary on the idea of assisted suicide and mercy killing.

Kswitch, was off the mark with respect to world religions. His argument seems to centers on the Western Judeo-Christian point of view, mixed with a bit of politics and moral relativism. (Which is true for many folks, sadly.)

In many other world religions, even those nontheistic ones such as Buddhism, suicide is an inadmissible action and not one consistent with anyone desiring to reach Nirvana. This Eastern religion in particular see bodily suffering as evidence that the body has not yet reached perfection. Buddhists for example, ever aspire to be freed from samsara, which is the ultimate freedom from the problem of suffering. A true, practicing Buddhist who is spiritually perfect, will not kill himself.

The same is true for Taoism. Suicide is not an option.

In Judaism, the fifth commandment "do not kill" does not inherently refer to suicide. However, a person who takes his own life is not to be mourned the same way other deaths are. (For example, no eulogies, or no final blessings.)

Most people are startled to learn that there are two examples of assisted suicide mentioned in the Old Testament. 1st Samuel 31:4 and 2nd Samuel 17:13.

I could peel this onion for days, but I'm too tired to do so. I am a Christian, and I don't stand on the fence on this issue. There are certainly situations in which euthanasia makes sense, though I don't think any of our sufferings that have been mentioned here on this forum qualify.

My hope as a Christian is in knowing that the sufferings of this life, no matter what their extent, is only temporary. God has not left me or cast me aside to fend for myself. He sustains me at every turn and is my constant hope in times of trial, even the most depressing ones that make me long for heaven.

I may have thought about suicide, but just when things seem to be so overwhelming, God revives me and gives me His peace. Suicide is not an option for me, and never should have been. Just as in the case of Job, I know that God will call me home at the appointed time. It's not up to me to usurp that power. God is sovereign, I am not. He is sacred, I am profane.

I am buoyed when "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18, NIV)

 

[lightNlife]

Does anyone remember the old TV show "Dinosaurs"? This thread and its discussion made me think of the episode about "hurling day" where the younger generation gets to hurl their geezerly, infirmed parents over a cliff into a pit, thereby ending their "suffering." In some ways the episode was a social commentary on the idea of assisted suicide and mercy killing.

Kswitch, was off the mark with respect to world religions. His argument seems to centers on the Western Judeo-Christian point of view, mixed with a bit of politics and moral relativism. (Which is true for many folks, sadly.)

In many other world religions, even those nontheistic ones such as Buddhism, suicide is an inadmissible action and not one consistent with anyone desiring to reach Nirvana. This Eastern religion in particular see bodily suffering as evidence that the body has not yet reached perfection. Buddhists for example, ever aspire to be freed from samsara, which is the ultimate freedom from the problem of suffering. A true, practicing Buddhist who is spiritually perfect, will not kill himself.

The same is true for Taoism. Suicide is not an option.

In Judaism, the fifth commandment "do not kill" does not inherently refer to suicide. However, a person who takes his own life is not to be mourned the same way other deaths are. (For example, no eulogies, or no final blessings.)

Most people are startled to learn that there are two examples of assisted suicide mentioned in the Old Testament. 1st Samuel 31:4 and 2nd Samuel 17:13.

I could peel this onion for days, but I'm too tired to do so. I am a Christian, and I don't stand on the fence on this issue. There are certainly situations in which euthanasia makes sense, though I don't think any of our sufferings that have been mentioned here on this forum qualify.

My hope as a Christian is in knowing that the sufferings of this life, no matter what their extent, is only temporary. God has not left me or cast me aside to fend for myself. He sustains me at every turn and is my constant hope in times of trial, even the most depressing ones that make me long for heaven.

I may have thought about suicide, but just when things seem to be so overwhelming, God revives me and gives me His peace. Suicide is not an option for me, and never should have been. Just as in the case of Job, I know that God will call me home at the appointed time. It's not up to me to usurp that power. God is sovereign, I am not. He is sacred, I am profane.

I am buoyed when "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18, NIV)

 

[lightNlife]

Does anyone remember the old TV show "Dinosaurs"? This thread and its discussion made me think of the episode about "hurling day" where the younger generation gets to hurl their geezerly, infirmed parents over a cliff into a pit, thereby ending their "suffering." In some ways the episode was a social commentary on the idea of assisted suicide and mercy killing.

Kswitch, was off the mark with respect to world religions. His argument seems to centers on the Western Judeo-Christian point of view, mixed with a bit of politics and moral relativism. (Which is true for many folks, sadly.)

In many other world religions, even those nontheistic ones such as Buddhism, suicide is an inadmissible action and not one consistent with anyone desiring to reach Nirvana. This Eastern religion in particular see bodily suffering as evidence that the body has not yet reached perfection. Buddhists for example, ever aspire to be freed from samsara, which is the ultimate freedom from the problem of suffering. A true, practicing Buddhist who is spiritually perfect, will not kill himself.

The same is true for Taoism. Suicide is not an option.

In Judaism, the fifth commandment "do not kill" does not inherently refer to suicide. However, a person who takes his own life is not to be mourned the same way other deaths are. (For example, no eulogies, or no final blessings.)

Most people are startled to learn that there are two examples of assisted suicide mentioned in the Old Testament. 1st Samuel 31:4 and 2nd Samuel 17:13.

I could peel this onion for days, but I'm too tired to do so. I am a Christian, and I don't stand on the fence on this issue. There are certainly situations in which euthanasia makes sense, though I don't think any of our sufferings that have been mentioned here on this forum qualify.

My hope as a Christian is in knowing that the sufferings of this life, no matter what their extent, is only temporary. God has not left me or cast me aside to fend for myself. He sustains me at every turn and is my constant hope in times of trial, even the most depressing ones that make me long for heaven.

I may have thought about suicide, but just when things seem to be so overwhelming, God revives me and gives me His peace. Suicide is not an option for me, and never should have been. Just as in the case of Job, I know that God will call me home at the appointed time. It's not up to me to usurp that power. God is sovereign, I am not. He is sacred, I am profane.

I am buoyed when "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18, NIV)

 

[JennifersHope]

I am very much a Christian, I am also a nurse who see's people suffer unspeakable ways... and I also am someone with a disease that usually doesn't end to pretty.

I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER do anything against the law when it came to my patients.. I would and do however fight tooth and nail to make sure they are as comfortable as possible.. I don't do hospice nursing and I don't think I ever will but any patient I get in the ER that is miserable gets treated as fast as possible.

For me personally, you better believe that I am going to take my life when it is to much to deal with.... It depends on the situation though.. If my parents are still alive, out of respect I will try to live for them.... If I was married I would try to see what I could do for my husband and also my loved ones.. but for the most part I would in no way allow myself to sit alone and suffer and gasp for air till I died on my own....

I would have to be real careful to know though that their wasn't any hope for being better.. and that is really hard to tell sometimes.. some days I suffer so much pain I think I don't want to suffer like this for the rest of my life then a few days later it is better.. SO I would have to be real sure it was it for me then I would have no problem doing it to myself..

I would never have my friends do it, EVER, what a terrible thing to put on them... I already feel like a burdan to the world that would be worse.

 

[JennifersHope]

I am very much a Christian, I am also a nurse who see's people suffer unspeakable ways... and I also am someone with a disease that usually doesn't end to pretty.

I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER do anything against the law when it came to my patients.. I would and do however fight tooth and nail to make sure they are as comfortable as possible.. I don't do hospice nursing and I don't think I ever will but any patient I get in the ER that is miserable gets treated as fast as possible.

For me personally, you better believe that I am going to take my life when it is to much to deal with.... It depends on the situation though.. If my parents are still alive, out of respect I will try to live for them.... If I was married I would try to see what I could do for my husband and also my loved ones.. but for the most part I would in no way allow myself to sit alone and suffer and gasp for air till I died on my own....

I would have to be real careful to know though that their wasn't any hope for being better.. and that is really hard to tell sometimes.. some days I suffer so much pain I think I don't want to suffer like this for the rest of my life then a few days later it is better.. SO I would have to be real sure it was it for me then I would have no problem doing it to myself..

I would never have my friends do it, EVER, what a terrible thing to put on them... I already feel like a burdan to the world that would be worse.

 

[JennifersHope]

I am very much a Christian, I am also a nurse who see's people suffer unspeakable ways... and I also am someone with a disease that usually doesn't end to pretty.

I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER do anything against the law when it came to my patients.. I would and do however fight tooth and nail to make sure they are as comfortable as possible.. I don't do hospice nursing and I don't think I ever will but any patient I get in the ER that is miserable gets treated as fast as possible.

For me personally, you better believe that I am going to take my life when it is to much to deal with.... It depends on the situation though.. If my parents are still alive, out of respect I will try to live for them.... If I was married I would try to see what I could do for my husband and also my loved ones.. but for the most part I would in no way allow myself to sit alone and suffer and gasp for air till I died on my own....

I would have to be real careful to know though that their wasn't any hope for being better.. and that is really hard to tell sometimes.. some days I suffer so much pain I think I don't want to suffer like this for the rest of my life then a few days later it is better.. SO I would have to be real sure it was it for me then I would have no problem doing it to myself..

I would never have my friends do it, EVER, what a terrible thing to put on them... I already feel like a burdan to the world that would be worse.

 

[JennifersHope]

I am very much a Christian, I am also a nurse who see's people suffer unspeakable ways... and I also am someone with a disease that usually doesn't end to pretty.

I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER do anything against the law when it came to my patients.. I would and do however fight tooth and nail to make sure they are as comfortable as possible.. I don't do hospice nursing and I don't think I ever will but any patient I get in the ER that is miserable gets treated as fast as possible.

For me personally, you better believe that I am going to take my life when it is to much to deal with.... It depends on the situation though.. If my parents are still alive, out of respect I will try to live for them.... If I was married I would try to see what I could do for my husband and also my loved ones.. but for the most part I would in no way allow myself to sit alone and suffer and gasp for air till I died on my own....

I would have to be real careful to know though that their wasn't any hope for being better.. and that is really hard to tell sometimes.. some days I suffer so much pain I think I don't want to suffer like this for the rest of my life then a few days later it is better.. SO I would have to be real sure it was it for me then I would have no problem doing it to myself..

I would never have my friends do it, EVER, what a terrible thing to put on them... I already feel like a burdan to the world that would be worse.

 

[JennifersHope]

I am very much a Christian, I am also a nurse who see's people suffer unspeakable ways... and I also am someone with a disease that usually doesn't end to pretty.

I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER do anything against the law when it came to my patients.. I would and do however fight tooth and nail to make sure they are as comfortable as possible.. I don't do hospice nursing and I don't think I ever will but any patient I get in the ER that is miserable gets treated as fast as possible.

For me personally, you better believe that I am going to take my life when it is to much to deal with.... It depends on the situation though.. If my parents are still alive, out of respect I will try to live for them.... If I was married I would try to see what I could do for my husband and also my loved ones.. but for the most part I would in no way allow myself to sit alone and suffer and gasp for air till I died on my own....

I would have to be real careful to know though that their wasn't any hope for being better.. and that is really hard to tell sometimes.. some days I suffer so much pain I think I don't want to suffer like this for the rest of my life then a few days later it is better.. SO I would have to be real sure it was it for me then I would have no problem doing it to myself..

I would never have my friends do it, EVER, what a terrible thing to put on them... I already feel like a burdan to the world that would be worse.

 

[kswitch]

i don't know that i'm too off the mark. i'm not familiar with the specifics of all world religions, nor do i care to be. i tend to consider why the people making these religions (and, yes, they are PEOPLE that create them) come to the conclusions regarding certain phenomena.

the suggestion was that should these same people be creating their religions in todays world, they might see things a little differently and, maybe, come to a different conclusion on what is acceptable and what is not.

certainly the asceticists might revel in these kinds of sufferings. being that suffering is central to many eastern religions, it seems moot to discuss the issue in regards to them.

 

[kswitch]

i don't know that i'm too off the mark. i'm not familiar with the specifics of all world religions, nor do i care to be. i tend to consider why the people making these religions (and, yes, they are PEOPLE that create them) come to the conclusions regarding certain phenomena.

the suggestion was that should these same people be creating their religions in todays world, they might see things a little differently and, maybe, come to a different conclusion on what is acceptable and what is not.

certainly the asceticists might revel in these kinds of sufferings. being that suffering is central to many eastern religions, it seems moot to discuss the issue in regards to them.

 

[kswitch]

i don't know that i'm too off the mark. i'm not familiar with the specifics of all world religions, nor do i care to be. i tend to consider why the people making these religions (and, yes, they are PEOPLE that create them) come to the conclusions regarding certain phenomena.

the suggestion was that should these same people be creating their religions in todays world, they might see things a little differently and, maybe, come to a different conclusion on what is acceptable and what is not.

certainly the asceticists might revel in these kinds of sufferings. being that suffering is central to many eastern religions, it seems moot to discuss the issue in regards to them.

 

[kswitch]

i don't know that i'm too off the mark. i'm not familiar with the specifics of all world religions, nor do i care to be. i tend to consider why the people making these religions (and, yes, they are PEOPLE that create them) come to the conclusions regarding certain phenomena.

the suggestion was that should these same people be creating their religions in todays world, they might see things a little differently and, maybe, come to a different conclusion on what is acceptable and what is not.

certainly the asceticists might revel in these kinds of sufferings. being that suffering is central to many eastern religions, it seems moot to discuss the issue in regards to them.

 

[kswitch]

i don't know that i'm too off the mark. i'm not familiar with the specifics of all world religions, nor do i care to be. i tend to consider why the people making these religions (and, yes, they are PEOPLE that create them) come to the conclusions regarding certain phenomena.

the suggestion was that should these same people be creating their religions in todays world, they might see things a little differently and, maybe, come to a different conclusion on what is acceptable and what is not.

certainly the asceticists might revel in these kinds of sufferings. being that suffering is central to many eastern religions, it seems moot to discuss the issue in regards to them.