The New Lung Transplant Guy

Pumuckl · Jun 9, 2007

I too feel that if you intentionally harm your body... well 'nuff said.

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

I am in pulmonary rehab and had to go through pulmonary education. Everyone in the class aside from myself suffered from COPD. Most had been smokers since very young ages (the earliest being 8 years of age). One of them already had a transplant a long time ago again for COPD.

I recently went to a transplant support group meeting which included folks that are waiting for transplants (undergoing testing) and folks that already had transplants and everyone of them had COPD and had been smoking 30 + years.

I guess what agitates me is that most smokers (not all) are inconsiderate and subject us non-smokers to their second hand smoke. Be it someone that lights up as soon as they walk out of a store/mall or someone that has to light up at a public place such as a State fair. These folks complain about laws that prohibit smoking in public places but will be the first to cry for new lungs when theirs fail.

/Sorry end of Rant.

Pumuckl · Jun 9, 2007

I too feel that if you intentionally harm your body... well 'nuff said.

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

I am in pulmonary rehab and had to go through pulmonary education. Everyone in the class aside from myself suffered from COPD. Most had been smokers since very young ages (the earliest being 8 years of age). One of them already had a transplant a long time ago again for COPD.

I recently went to a transplant support group meeting which included folks that are waiting for transplants (undergoing testing) and folks that already had transplants and everyone of them had COPD and had been smoking 30 + years.

I guess what agitates me is that most smokers (not all) are inconsiderate and subject us non-smokers to their second hand smoke. Be it someone that lights up as soon as they walk out of a store/mall or someone that has to light up at a public place such as a State fair. These folks complain about laws that prohibit smoking in public places but will be the first to cry for new lungs when theirs fail.

/Sorry end of Rant.

Emily65Roses · Jun 9, 2007

I'm with you guys. I don't want good lungs to go to people who smoked for years, made no attempt to quit, etc. I don't care if it makes me a b*tch, but that guy doesn't deserve his lungs. The plane crashing with his first set is karma if you ask me. Ahahaha. "Nope, no lungs for you." They should've moved down the list after that.

My idea for new policy that will never fly in a million years... Sure, smokers can have lungs (and drunks can have livers), but only after every innocent person on the list gets their lungs or livers first. Hah.

Emily65Roses · Jun 9, 2007

I'm with you guys. I don't want good lungs to go to people who smoked for years, made no attempt to quit, etc. I don't care if it makes me a b*tch, but that guy doesn't deserve his lungs. The plane crashing with his first set is karma if you ask me. Ahahaha. "Nope, no lungs for you." They should've moved down the list after that.

My idea for new policy that will never fly in a million years... Sure, smokers can have lungs (and drunks can have livers), but only after every innocent person on the list gets their lungs or livers first. Hah.

Emily65Roses · Jun 9, 2007

I'm with you guys. I don't want good lungs to go to people who smoked for years, made no attempt to quit, etc. I don't care if it makes me a b*tch, but that guy doesn't deserve his lungs. The plane crashing with his first set is karma if you ask me. Ahahaha. "Nope, no lungs for you." They should've moved down the list after that.

My idea for new policy that will never fly in a million years... Sure, smokers can have lungs (and drunks can have livers), but only after every innocent person on the list gets their lungs or livers first. Hah.

Emily65Roses · Jun 9, 2007

I'm with you guys. I don't want good lungs to go to people who smoked for years, made no attempt to quit, etc. I don't care if it makes me a b*tch, but that guy doesn't deserve his lungs. The plane crashing with his first set is karma if you ask me. Ahahaha. "Nope, no lungs for you." They should've moved down the list after that.

My idea for new policy that will never fly in a million years... Sure, smokers can have lungs (and drunks can have livers), but only after every innocent person on the list gets their lungs or livers first. Hah.

Emily65Roses · Jun 9, 2007

I'm with you guys. I don't want good lungs to go to people who smoked for years, made no attempt to quit, etc. I don't care if it makes me a b*tch, but that guy doesn't deserve his lungs. The plane crashing with his first set is karma if you ask me. Ahahaha. "Nope, no lungs for you." They should've moved down the list after that.

My idea for new policy that will never fly in a million years... Sure, smokers can have lungs (and drunks can have livers), but only after every innocent person on the list gets their lungs or livers first. Hah.

Emily65Roses · Jun 9, 2007

I'm with you guys. I don't want good lungs to go to people who smoked for years, made no attempt to quit, etc. I don't care if it makes me a b*tch, but that guy doesn't deserve his lungs. The plane crashing with his first set is karma if you ask me. Ahahaha. "Nope, no lungs for you." They should've moved down the list after that.

My idea for new policy that will never fly in a million years... Sure, smokers can have lungs (and drunks can have livers), but only after every innocent person on the list gets their lungs or livers first. Hah.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

I tend to agree about the "fairness" thing, but it's not up to me to decide who gets what and what justice should look like. Why is it everyone was all sympathetic that the lungs were lost in the plane crash, but now that more info comes to light we're up in arms about whether it was fair?

I know I have a tendency to be judgmental myself. Thankfully, I'm not the one who is in charge of the world. There are things that I may not think are fair, but that's only because I don't have the whole picture.

I urge to to read the following and reevaluate your ideas of justice, fairness and so forth. Thinking about the bigger picture helps keep my judgmental attitude in check (most of the time.)


In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. --Ephesians 1:7-8

My co-worker said he had always heard the expression that Christ dies for our sins, but he wanted to know what that meant. The challenge before me was this: how could I explain the concept concisely without watering down the truth? How could communicate in a way that pointed to the reality of Christ and the consequences of choosing to reject Him?

I rose to the challenge. SSince the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, I didn't think that a collection of New Testament verses was going to hold much validity for someone who doesn't believe in the infallibility of the gospel.

I explained the need for Christ's death on the cross, and that His death and resurrection was the once and final sacrifice to make us blameless in the eyes of God. The follow-up question was one that I have often wondered about myself. If Christ's death was a one-time event, don't Christians abuse the privilege of being saved and then continue in their sins? What's the motivation to keep living blamelessly?

The motivation to live a life as blameless as possible comes from the realization of the magnitude of what Jesus' death and resurrection means. Because we have been given the free gift of grace, our lives should exemplify a heart of gratitude and an attitude of humility. Consider the following example:

Suppose I was in need of a heart transplant and was placed on the waiting list for a donor. In order for me to be given a new heart and continue to live, someone else must die. Once I have received the new heart, I am expected by doctors to carry on a healthy lifestyle. How preposterous would it be for me to take us smoking once I got a new heart? Or what if I decided to eat bacon, eggs, sausage, hash browns, biscuits and gravy every morning? What if I decided not to take the prescribed anti-rejection medication? Doing so would not be consistent with an attitude that is grateful. Nor is such behavior indicative of appreciation for being given a second chance at life.

Maybe the gentleman who received the new lungs is going to be able to have a healthy lifestyle now. I somehow doubt that the screening process and transplant eval would have been satisfactory enough to put him on the list if he was unwilling to cooperate.

Okay, enough of my rant about that. Personally, I'm not in favor of transplantation, so I guess my point of view is different than the majority on the subject.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

I tend to agree about the "fairness" thing, but it's not up to me to decide who gets what and what justice should look like. Why is it everyone was all sympathetic that the lungs were lost in the plane crash, but now that more info comes to light we're up in arms about whether it was fair?

I know I have a tendency to be judgmental myself. Thankfully, I'm not the one who is in charge of the world. There are things that I may not think are fair, but that's only because I don't have the whole picture.

I urge to to read the following and reevaluate your ideas of justice, fairness and so forth. Thinking about the bigger picture helps keep my judgmental attitude in check (most of the time.)


In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. --Ephesians 1:7-8

My co-worker said he had always heard the expression that Christ dies for our sins, but he wanted to know what that meant. The challenge before me was this: how could I explain the concept concisely without watering down the truth? How could communicate in a way that pointed to the reality of Christ and the consequences of choosing to reject Him?

I rose to the challenge. SSince the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, I didn't think that a collection of New Testament verses was going to hold much validity for someone who doesn't believe in the infallibility of the gospel.

I explained the need for Christ's death on the cross, and that His death and resurrection was the once and final sacrifice to make us blameless in the eyes of God. The follow-up question was one that I have often wondered about myself. If Christ's death was a one-time event, don't Christians abuse the privilege of being saved and then continue in their sins? What's the motivation to keep living blamelessly?

The motivation to live a life as blameless as possible comes from the realization of the magnitude of what Jesus' death and resurrection means. Because we have been given the free gift of grace, our lives should exemplify a heart of gratitude and an attitude of humility. Consider the following example:

Suppose I was in need of a heart transplant and was placed on the waiting list for a donor. In order for me to be given a new heart and continue to live, someone else must die. Once I have received the new heart, I am expected by doctors to carry on a healthy lifestyle. How preposterous would it be for me to take us smoking once I got a new heart? Or what if I decided to eat bacon, eggs, sausage, hash browns, biscuits and gravy every morning? What if I decided not to take the prescribed anti-rejection medication? Doing so would not be consistent with an attitude that is grateful. Nor is such behavior indicative of appreciation for being given a second chance at life.

Maybe the gentleman who received the new lungs is going to be able to have a healthy lifestyle now. I somehow doubt that the screening process and transplant eval would have been satisfactory enough to put him on the list if he was unwilling to cooperate.

Okay, enough of my rant about that. Personally, I'm not in favor of transplantation, so I guess my point of view is different than the majority on the subject.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

I tend to agree about the "fairness" thing, but it's not up to me to decide who gets what and what justice should look like. Why is it everyone was all sympathetic that the lungs were lost in the plane crash, but now that more info comes to light we're up in arms about whether it was fair?

I know I have a tendency to be judgmental myself. Thankfully, I'm not the one who is in charge of the world. There are things that I may not think are fair, but that's only because I don't have the whole picture.

I urge to to read the following and reevaluate your ideas of justice, fairness and so forth. Thinking about the bigger picture helps keep my judgmental attitude in check (most of the time.)


In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. --Ephesians 1:7-8

My co-worker said he had always heard the expression that Christ dies for our sins, but he wanted to know what that meant. The challenge before me was this: how could I explain the concept concisely without watering down the truth? How could communicate in a way that pointed to the reality of Christ and the consequences of choosing to reject Him?

I rose to the challenge. SSince the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, I didn't think that a collection of New Testament verses was going to hold much validity for someone who doesn't believe in the infallibility of the gospel.

I explained the need for Christ's death on the cross, and that His death and resurrection was the once and final sacrifice to make us blameless in the eyes of God. The follow-up question was one that I have often wondered about myself. If Christ's death was a one-time event, don't Christians abuse the privilege of being saved and then continue in their sins? What's the motivation to keep living blamelessly?

The motivation to live a life as blameless as possible comes from the realization of the magnitude of what Jesus' death and resurrection means. Because we have been given the free gift of grace, our lives should exemplify a heart of gratitude and an attitude of humility. Consider the following example:

Suppose I was in need of a heart transplant and was placed on the waiting list for a donor. In order for me to be given a new heart and continue to live, someone else must die. Once I have received the new heart, I am expected by doctors to carry on a healthy lifestyle. How preposterous would it be for me to take us smoking once I got a new heart? Or what if I decided to eat bacon, eggs, sausage, hash browns, biscuits and gravy every morning? What if I decided not to take the prescribed anti-rejection medication? Doing so would not be consistent with an attitude that is grateful. Nor is such behavior indicative of appreciation for being given a second chance at life.

Maybe the gentleman who received the new lungs is going to be able to have a healthy lifestyle now. I somehow doubt that the screening process and transplant eval would have been satisfactory enough to put him on the list if he was unwilling to cooperate.

Okay, enough of my rant about that. Personally, I'm not in favor of transplantation, so I guess my point of view is different than the majority on the subject.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

I tend to agree about the "fairness" thing, but it's not up to me to decide who gets what and what justice should look like. Why is it everyone was all sympathetic that the lungs were lost in the plane crash, but now that more info comes to light we're up in arms about whether it was fair?

I know I have a tendency to be judgmental myself. Thankfully, I'm not the one who is in charge of the world. There are things that I may not think are fair, but that's only because I don't have the whole picture.

I urge to to read the following and reevaluate your ideas of justice, fairness and so forth. Thinking about the bigger picture helps keep my judgmental attitude in check (most of the time.)


In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. --Ephesians 1:7-8

My co-worker said he had always heard the expression that Christ dies for our sins, but he wanted to know what that meant. The challenge before me was this: how could I explain the concept concisely without watering down the truth? How could communicate in a way that pointed to the reality of Christ and the consequences of choosing to reject Him?

I rose to the challenge. SSince the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, I didn't think that a collection of New Testament verses was going to hold much validity for someone who doesn't believe in the infallibility of the gospel.

I explained the need for Christ's death on the cross, and that His death and resurrection was the once and final sacrifice to make us blameless in the eyes of God. The follow-up question was one that I have often wondered about myself. If Christ's death was a one-time event, don't Christians abuse the privilege of being saved and then continue in their sins? What's the motivation to keep living blamelessly?

The motivation to live a life as blameless as possible comes from the realization of the magnitude of what Jesus' death and resurrection means. Because we have been given the free gift of grace, our lives should exemplify a heart of gratitude and an attitude of humility. Consider the following example:

Suppose I was in need of a heart transplant and was placed on the waiting list for a donor. In order for me to be given a new heart and continue to live, someone else must die. Once I have received the new heart, I am expected by doctors to carry on a healthy lifestyle. How preposterous would it be for me to take us smoking once I got a new heart? Or what if I decided to eat bacon, eggs, sausage, hash browns, biscuits and gravy every morning? What if I decided not to take the prescribed anti-rejection medication? Doing so would not be consistent with an attitude that is grateful. Nor is such behavior indicative of appreciation for being given a second chance at life.

Maybe the gentleman who received the new lungs is going to be able to have a healthy lifestyle now. I somehow doubt that the screening process and transplant eval would have been satisfactory enough to put him on the list if he was unwilling to cooperate.

Okay, enough of my rant about that. Personally, I'm not in favor of transplantation, so I guess my point of view is different than the majority on the subject.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

I tend to agree about the "fairness" thing, but it's not up to me to decide who gets what and what justice should look like. Why is it everyone was all sympathetic that the lungs were lost in the plane crash, but now that more info comes to light we're up in arms about whether it was fair?

I know I have a tendency to be judgmental myself. Thankfully, I'm not the one who is in charge of the world. There are things that I may not think are fair, but that's only because I don't have the whole picture.

I urge to to read the following and reevaluate your ideas of justice, fairness and so forth. Thinking about the bigger picture helps keep my judgmental attitude in check (most of the time.)


In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. --Ephesians 1:7-8

My co-worker said he had always heard the expression that Christ dies for our sins, but he wanted to know what that meant. The challenge before me was this: how could I explain the concept concisely without watering down the truth? How could communicate in a way that pointed to the reality of Christ and the consequences of choosing to reject Him?

I rose to the challenge. SSince the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, I didn't think that a collection of New Testament verses was going to hold much validity for someone who doesn't believe in the infallibility of the gospel.

I explained the need for Christ's death on the cross, and that His death and resurrection was the once and final sacrifice to make us blameless in the eyes of God. The follow-up question was one that I have often wondered about myself. If Christ's death was a one-time event, don't Christians abuse the privilege of being saved and then continue in their sins? What's the motivation to keep living blamelessly?

The motivation to live a life as blameless as possible comes from the realization of the magnitude of what Jesus' death and resurrection means. Because we have been given the free gift of grace, our lives should exemplify a heart of gratitude and an attitude of humility. Consider the following example:

Suppose I was in need of a heart transplant and was placed on the waiting list for a donor. In order for me to be given a new heart and continue to live, someone else must die. Once I have received the new heart, I am expected by doctors to carry on a healthy lifestyle. How preposterous would it be for me to take us smoking once I got a new heart? Or what if I decided to eat bacon, eggs, sausage, hash browns, biscuits and gravy every morning? What if I decided not to take the prescribed anti-rejection medication? Doing so would not be consistent with an attitude that is grateful. Nor is such behavior indicative of appreciation for being given a second chance at life.

Maybe the gentleman who received the new lungs is going to be able to have a healthy lifestyle now. I somehow doubt that the screening process and transplant eval would have been satisfactory enough to put him on the list if he was unwilling to cooperate.

Okay, enough of my rant about that. Personally, I'm not in favor of transplantation, so I guess my point of view is different than the majority on the subject.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

I tend to agree about the "fairness" thing, but it's not up to me to decide who gets what and what justice should look like. Why is it everyone was all sympathetic that the lungs were lost in the plane crash, but now that more info comes to light we're up in arms about whether it was fair?

I know I have a tendency to be judgmental myself. Thankfully, I'm not the one who is in charge of the world. There are things that I may not think are fair, but that's only because I don't have the whole picture.

I urge to to read the following and reevaluate your ideas of justice, fairness and so forth. Thinking about the bigger picture helps keep my judgmental attitude in check (most of the time.)


In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. --Ephesians 1:7-8

My co-worker said he had always heard the expression that Christ dies for our sins, but he wanted to know what that meant. The challenge before me was this: how could I explain the concept concisely without watering down the truth? How could communicate in a way that pointed to the reality of Christ and the consequences of choosing to reject Him?

I rose to the challenge. SSince the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, I didn't think that a collection of New Testament verses was going to hold much validity for someone who doesn't believe in the infallibility of the gospel.

I explained the need for Christ's death on the cross, and that His death and resurrection was the once and final sacrifice to make us blameless in the eyes of God. The follow-up question was one that I have often wondered about myself. If Christ's death was a one-time event, don't Christians abuse the privilege of being saved and then continue in their sins? What's the motivation to keep living blamelessly?

The motivation to live a life as blameless as possible comes from the realization of the magnitude of what Jesus' death and resurrection means. Because we have been given the free gift of grace, our lives should exemplify a heart of gratitude and an attitude of humility. Consider the following example:

Suppose I was in need of a heart transplant and was placed on the waiting list for a donor. In order for me to be given a new heart and continue to live, someone else must die. Once I have received the new heart, I am expected by doctors to carry on a healthy lifestyle. How preposterous would it be for me to take us smoking once I got a new heart? Or what if I decided to eat bacon, eggs, sausage, hash browns, biscuits and gravy every morning? What if I decided not to take the prescribed anti-rejection medication? Doing so would not be consistent with an attitude that is grateful. Nor is such behavior indicative of appreciation for being given a second chance at life.

Maybe the gentleman who received the new lungs is going to be able to have a healthy lifestyle now. I somehow doubt that the screening process and transplant eval would have been satisfactory enough to put him on the list if he was unwilling to cooperate.

Okay, enough of my rant about that. Personally, I'm not in favor of transplantation, so I guess my point of view is different than the majority on the subject.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Pumuckl

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

</end quote></div>

There are approximately 1,000 transplants per year. 15% of recipients are CF patients.

CF patients typically get the double-lung transplant.
Emphysema patients usually only get a single lung or lobe.
Pulmonary hypertension and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis patients are the remainder.

Also, when calculating the totals, the MAJORITY of lung transplants are part of a heart/lung transplant. So even though it looks like CFers aren't getting new lungs at a "fair" rate, they are.

There's only a 55% chance of survival beyond 5 years post tx with CF.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Pumuckl

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

</end quote></div>

There are approximately 1,000 transplants per year. 15% of recipients are CF patients.

CF patients typically get the double-lung transplant.
Emphysema patients usually only get a single lung or lobe.
Pulmonary hypertension and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis patients are the remainder.

Also, when calculating the totals, the MAJORITY of lung transplants are part of a heart/lung transplant. So even though it looks like CFers aren't getting new lungs at a "fair" rate, they are.

There's only a 55% chance of survival beyond 5 years post tx with CF.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Pumuckl

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

</end quote></div>

There are approximately 1,000 transplants per year. 15% of recipients are CF patients.

CF patients typically get the double-lung transplant.
Emphysema patients usually only get a single lung or lobe.
Pulmonary hypertension and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis patients are the remainder.

Also, when calculating the totals, the MAJORITY of lung transplants are part of a heart/lung transplant. So even though it looks like CFers aren't getting new lungs at a "fair" rate, they are.

There's only a 55% chance of survival beyond 5 years post tx with CF.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Pumuckl

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

</end quote></div>

There are approximately 1,000 transplants per year. 15% of recipients are CF patients.

CF patients typically get the double-lung transplant.
Emphysema patients usually only get a single lung or lobe.
Pulmonary hypertension and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis patients are the remainder.

Also, when calculating the totals, the MAJORITY of lung transplants are part of a heart/lung transplant. So even though it looks like CFers aren't getting new lungs at a "fair" rate, they are.

There's only a 55% chance of survival beyond 5 years post tx with CF.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Pumuckl

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

</end quote>

There are approximately 1,000 transplants per year. 15% of recipients are CF patients.

CF patients typically get the double-lung transplant.
Emphysema patients usually only get a single lung or lobe.
Pulmonary hypertension and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis patients are the remainder.

Also, when calculating the totals, the MAJORITY of lung transplants are part of a heart/lung transplant. So even though it looks like CFers aren't getting new lungs at a "fair" rate, they are.

There's only a 55% chance of survival beyond 5 years post tx with CF.

lightNlife · Jun 9, 2007

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Pumuckl

I think most people that receive lung transplants suffer from COPD (I do not have anything concrete to back this up just my own personal observation).

</end quote>

There are approximately 1,000 transplants per year. 15% of recipients are CF patients.

CF patients typically get the double-lung transplant.
Emphysema patients usually only get a single lung or lobe.
Pulmonary hypertension and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis patients are the remainder.

Also, when calculating the totals, the MAJORITY of lung transplants are part of a heart/lung transplant. So even though it looks like CFers aren't getting new lungs at a "fair" rate, they are.

There's only a 55% chance of survival beyond 5 years post tx with CF.

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