The New Lung Transplant Guy

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mom2lillian

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fair or not my grandfather was a heavy smoker all his life and while I love him to death I dont think he 'deserved' new lugns as much as someone who never smoked and needed them-Period! Same goes with drinkers compared to say someone with hepatitis C.

I am not saying that you should never be able to get them but I think a heavier weighting should be put on if you are a smoker/drinker etc that would allow the points ot be in favor of somoene who needs it simply due to disease. I understand there is an addiction component as far as smoking and drinking go but it is still a CHOICE!
 
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mom2lillian

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fair or not my grandfather was a heavy smoker all his life and while I love him to death I dont think he 'deserved' new lugns as much as someone who never smoked and needed them-Period! Same goes with drinkers compared to say someone with hepatitis C.

I am not saying that you should never be able to get them but I think a heavier weighting should be put on if you are a smoker/drinker etc that would allow the points ot be in favor of somoene who needs it simply due to disease. I understand there is an addiction component as far as smoking and drinking go but it is still a CHOICE!
 
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mom2lillian

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fair or not my grandfather was a heavy smoker all his life and while I love him to death I dont think he 'deserved' new lugns as much as someone who never smoked and needed them-Period! Same goes with drinkers compared to say someone with hepatitis C.

I am not saying that you should never be able to get them but I think a heavier weighting should be put on if you are a smoker/drinker etc that would allow the points ot be in favor of somoene who needs it simply due to disease. I understand there is an addiction component as far as smoking and drinking go but it is still a CHOICE!
 
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mom2lillian

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fair or not my grandfather was a heavy smoker all his life and while I love him to death I dont think he 'deserved' new lugns as much as someone who never smoked and needed them-Period! Same goes with drinkers compared to say someone with hepatitis C.

I am not saying that you should never be able to get them but I think a heavier weighting should be put on if you are a smoker/drinker etc that would allow the points ot be in favor of somoene who needs it simply due to disease. I understand there is an addiction component as far as smoking and drinking go but it is still a CHOICE!
 
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mom2lillian

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fair or not my grandfather was a heavy smoker all his life and while I love him to death I dont think he 'deserved' new lugns as much as someone who never smoked and needed them-Period! Same goes with drinkers compared to say someone with hepatitis C.

I am not saying that you should never be able to get them but I think a heavier weighting should be put on if you are a smoker/drinker etc that would allow the points ot be in favor of somoene who needs it simply due to disease. I understand there is an addiction component as far as smoking and drinking go but it is still a CHOICE!
 
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mom2lillian

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fair or not my grandfather was a heavy smoker all his life and while I love him to death I dont think he 'deserved' new lugns as much as someone who never smoked and needed them-Period! Same goes with drinkers compared to say someone with hepatitis C.

I am not saying that you should never be able to get them but I think a heavier weighting should be put on if you are a smoker/drinker etc that would allow the points ot be in favor of somoene who needs it simply due to disease. I understand there is an addiction component as far as smoking and drinking go but it is still a CHOICE!
 
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kswitch

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i dunno, i guess i can't follow the hatred on this one. it is frustrating to think that a fellow cf'r may have been passed up twice now for a transplant, but i tend to think that it is not fair to condemn someone for thier choice to smoke or not. what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant?

all i'm saying is that people make choices for a variety of reasons, and they don't always know that they've made a bad choice until it's too late. especially in this day where marketing propagandists work so hard to convince us that self depricating behavior is a good choice.

it's the breaks. i don't pretend to know how others should live their lives or what rights they should have. especially when i have only superficial information to rely on to give any insight on what this individual does with his life. the picture i get from most of these posts is that this guy just sits around smoking like a forest fire, but none of us really knows. lots of good people choose ot smoke. vices are healthy, like a steam valve for existence. it may seem silly to us, but it somehow makes sense to them.
 
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kswitch

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i dunno, i guess i can't follow the hatred on this one. it is frustrating to think that a fellow cf'r may have been passed up twice now for a transplant, but i tend to think that it is not fair to condemn someone for thier choice to smoke or not. what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant?

all i'm saying is that people make choices for a variety of reasons, and they don't always know that they've made a bad choice until it's too late. especially in this day where marketing propagandists work so hard to convince us that self depricating behavior is a good choice.

it's the breaks. i don't pretend to know how others should live their lives or what rights they should have. especially when i have only superficial information to rely on to give any insight on what this individual does with his life. the picture i get from most of these posts is that this guy just sits around smoking like a forest fire, but none of us really knows. lots of good people choose ot smoke. vices are healthy, like a steam valve for existence. it may seem silly to us, but it somehow makes sense to them.
 
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kswitch

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i dunno, i guess i can't follow the hatred on this one. it is frustrating to think that a fellow cf'r may have been passed up twice now for a transplant, but i tend to think that it is not fair to condemn someone for thier choice to smoke or not. what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant?

all i'm saying is that people make choices for a variety of reasons, and they don't always know that they've made a bad choice until it's too late. especially in this day where marketing propagandists work so hard to convince us that self depricating behavior is a good choice.

it's the breaks. i don't pretend to know how others should live their lives or what rights they should have. especially when i have only superficial information to rely on to give any insight on what this individual does with his life. the picture i get from most of these posts is that this guy just sits around smoking like a forest fire, but none of us really knows. lots of good people choose ot smoke. vices are healthy, like a steam valve for existence. it may seem silly to us, but it somehow makes sense to them.
 
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kswitch

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i dunno, i guess i can't follow the hatred on this one. it is frustrating to think that a fellow cf'r may have been passed up twice now for a transplant, but i tend to think that it is not fair to condemn someone for thier choice to smoke or not. what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant?

all i'm saying is that people make choices for a variety of reasons, and they don't always know that they've made a bad choice until it's too late. especially in this day where marketing propagandists work so hard to convince us that self depricating behavior is a good choice.

it's the breaks. i don't pretend to know how others should live their lives or what rights they should have. especially when i have only superficial information to rely on to give any insight on what this individual does with his life. the picture i get from most of these posts is that this guy just sits around smoking like a forest fire, but none of us really knows. lots of good people choose ot smoke. vices are healthy, like a steam valve for existence. it may seem silly to us, but it somehow makes sense to them.
 
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kswitch

New member
i dunno, i guess i can't follow the hatred on this one. it is frustrating to think that a fellow cf'r may have been passed up twice now for a transplant, but i tend to think that it is not fair to condemn someone for thier choice to smoke or not. what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant?

all i'm saying is that people make choices for a variety of reasons, and they don't always know that they've made a bad choice until it's too late. especially in this day where marketing propagandists work so hard to convince us that self depricating behavior is a good choice.

it's the breaks. i don't pretend to know how others should live their lives or what rights they should have. especially when i have only superficial information to rely on to give any insight on what this individual does with his life. the picture i get from most of these posts is that this guy just sits around smoking like a forest fire, but none of us really knows. lots of good people choose ot smoke. vices are healthy, like a steam valve for existence. it may seem silly to us, but it somehow makes sense to them.
 
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kswitch

New member
i dunno, i guess i can't follow the hatred on this one. it is frustrating to think that a fellow cf'r may have been passed up twice now for a transplant, but i tend to think that it is not fair to condemn someone for thier choice to smoke or not. what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant?

all i'm saying is that people make choices for a variety of reasons, and they don't always know that they've made a bad choice until it's too late. especially in this day where marketing propagandists work so hard to convince us that self depricating behavior is a good choice.

it's the breaks. i don't pretend to know how others should live their lives or what rights they should have. especially when i have only superficial information to rely on to give any insight on what this individual does with his life. the picture i get from most of these posts is that this guy just sits around smoking like a forest fire, but none of us really knows. lots of good people choose ot smoke. vices are healthy, like a steam valve for existence. it may seem silly to us, but it somehow makes sense to them.
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kswitch</b></i>
what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant? </end quote></div>

That was a viable argument before cigarettes were proven to be cancer-causing. Now that people know, and still continue to (or start altogether to) smoke, that argument holds no place in the situation.

If someone smoked for 10 years, found out it was cancer-causing (let's say this story is several decades old), and then spent a year trying to quit before succeeding, that would be an entirely different situation and I wouldn't argue them getting lungs. There are many many people these days that start despite those strategically placed "surgeon general's warnings" on every cigarette box. And unless they can't read, they can't claim ignorance as a reason for their idiocy.
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kswitch</b></i>
what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant? </end quote></div>

That was a viable argument before cigarettes were proven to be cancer-causing. Now that people know, and still continue to (or start altogether to) smoke, that argument holds no place in the situation.

If someone smoked for 10 years, found out it was cancer-causing (let's say this story is several decades old), and then spent a year trying to quit before succeeding, that would be an entirely different situation and I wouldn't argue them getting lungs. There are many many people these days that start despite those strategically placed "surgeon general's warnings" on every cigarette box. And unless they can't read, they can't claim ignorance as a reason for their idiocy.
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kswitch</b></i>
what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant? </end quote></div>

That was a viable argument before cigarettes were proven to be cancer-causing. Now that people know, and still continue to (or start altogether to) smoke, that argument holds no place in the situation.

If someone smoked for 10 years, found out it was cancer-causing (let's say this story is several decades old), and then spent a year trying to quit before succeeding, that would be an entirely different situation and I wouldn't argue them getting lungs. There are many many people these days that start despite those strategically placed "surgeon general's warnings" on every cigarette box. And unless they can't read, they can't claim ignorance as a reason for their idiocy.
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kswitch</b></i>
what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant? </end quote></div>

That was a viable argument before cigarettes were proven to be cancer-causing. Now that people know, and still continue to (or start altogether to) smoke, that argument holds no place in the situation.

If someone smoked for 10 years, found out it was cancer-causing (let's say this story is several decades old), and then spent a year trying to quit before succeeding, that would be an entirely different situation and I wouldn't argue them getting lungs. There are many many people these days that start despite those strategically placed "surgeon general's warnings" on every cigarette box. And unless they can't read, they can't claim ignorance as a reason for their idiocy.
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kswitch</b></i>
what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant? </end quote>

That was a viable argument before cigarettes were proven to be cancer-causing. Now that people know, and still continue to (or start altogether to) smoke, that argument holds no place in the situation.

If someone smoked for 10 years, found out it was cancer-causing (let's say this story is several decades old), and then spent a year trying to quit before succeeding, that would be an entirely different situation and I wouldn't argue them getting lungs. There are many many people these days that start despite those strategically placed "surgeon general's warnings" on every cigarette box. And unless they can't read, they can't claim ignorance as a reason for their idiocy.
 
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Emily65Roses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kswitch</b></i>
what if in twenty years, it is discovered that prolonged use of hypertonic saline caused some kind of irreversible damage, should those who chose to use it not be allowed a transplant? </end quote>

That was a viable argument before cigarettes were proven to be cancer-causing. Now that people know, and still continue to (or start altogether to) smoke, that argument holds no place in the situation.

If someone smoked for 10 years, found out it was cancer-causing (let's say this story is several decades old), and then spent a year trying to quit before succeeding, that would be an entirely different situation and I wouldn't argue them getting lungs. There are many many people these days that start despite those strategically placed "surgeon general's warnings" on every cigarette box. And unless they can't read, they can't claim ignorance as a reason for their idiocy.
 
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